Restaurant bullied by anti-Prop. 8 mob offers up payment
This story keeps getting more pathetic.
Diana West first alerted me to the plight of the El Coyote Mexican Cafe, whose manager donated $100 to the Prop. 8 campaign. A mob of gay marriage activists browbeat her into tears and guilt over the contribution. They threatened the restaurant with boycotts and protests.
And now, the restaurant’s employees have coughed up a peace offering. A bribe. A form of jizya. Whatever you want to call it, it’s sad:
Employees of the Los Angeles restaurant that came under fire this week after a manager gave $100 to the campaign to ban same-sex marriage in California said they had made a $500 contribution to the advocacy group that is raising money to challenge Proposition 8.
The Thursday online donation to Equality California, an advocacy group for the gay and lesbian community, came at precisely 7:22:03 p.m., about 22 minutes into a planned demonstration outside the restaurant’s doors for the second night in a row.
“It will go toward our work, and our work includes working to overturn Proposition 8,” said Ali Bay, a spokeswoman for Equality California. “We’re working legislatively and through the courts to promote equality for the [lesbian and gay] community.”
Over the last week, online social networking sites and blogs have urged people to boycott El Coyote Mexican Cafe on Beverly Boulevard because of the $100 donation by Marjorie Christoffersen, a manager at the restaurant and a daughter of El Coyote’s owner.
Christoffersen, a Mormon, met with protesters Wednesday, and at one point broke down in tears. But some activists said they still faulted her for making the donation.
According to another manager, Arnoldo Archila, El Coyote employees pooled their money to make the donation — though it wasn’t clear who actually contributed. He said Christoffersen was not involved in the decision.
“Maybe it’s a way to say sorry, that we have always tried to be a charity place, that we donate to a lot of places,” Archila said. “It’s something to show that we can help also.”
Manager Larry Crenshaw gave $50 to “try to smooth things over” and counter the boycott. He said the protests had started to affect employees.
One server called in Thursday worried about going into work. Thursday night crowds grew to about 200 people, and customers leaving the restaurant were called vulgarities, Crenshaw said.
Diners at one table had to be compensated for their $50 tab because their night had been ruined, and patrons celebrating a birthday at an outdoor table had to endure protesters late into the evening, he said.
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GayPatriot: Stop the protests. Begin the introspection.
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Why is it that every time this subject has a thread, someone gets into a debate about:
1. The legitmacy of the beliefs of the Morman church.
2. Gayness being a choice or not.
This began as a discussion of Prop 8 protestors and their tactics and it is relevant because it is coming soon to a state near you. Neither of the above topics are relevant. If you dont know how to argue this issue with your friends and neighbors, the Christian church is toast. Please pay attention to the subject and the arguments because they they are very very important to our religious freedoms.
They’ll never go after the muslim faith which will never accept homosexuality.
Cowards, crazies, whatever. It’s amazing they can’t see the harm they’re causing. Honey not vinegar. Duh.
Yes, it’s exactly the same. You’re attempting to deprive someone of income because you don’t agree with their position on an issue.
Trying to rationalize repellent behavior when we do it while condemning exactly the same behavior when our opponents borrow our tactics is textbook hypocrisy.
It’s one of the reasons people stopped voting for us.
See “Phyrric Victory.”
No one deprived the Dixie Chicks ANYTHING.
They said something politically stupid and alienated the majority of their fans. They went even further when they denegrated their fans, even going to far to say if you like Toby Keith, that they didn’t want you as a fan.
And the Country music buying and listening public responded by using their 1st Amendment right to not buy their music, go to their concerts, or listen to them on the radio.
These two situations are in no way comparable.
The law has a word for such tactics as are being used by the Homosexual SA:
EXTORTION
It is wedll past the time that someone needs to bring charges against them for it.
Do not give in to terrorists or terrorist demands.
Obama’s America is NOT my America.
Where is Joey Vento when you need him?
As people here are so fond of saying…source?
I’m sick of Constitutionally illiterate people telling *me* when the First Amendment does and does not apply (and how it never, ever, ever seems to protect my faith, my speech, my thoughts, my views).
I’m sick of the hypocrites who demand “tolerance” and “diversity” turning around and being the most intolerant when it comes to diversity of thought. I don’t go around the neighborhood, round up gay people, and make them come to church with me.
I really don’t give a crap if people agree with my faith. That’s their right to disagree. But I do care once that disagreement foments itself into hatred, intolerance, and threatens the right of every person in this nation – be they Mormon, Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist or otherwise – to worship freely and express that belief in the public sphere. That, too, is a fundamental right.
And that’s what’s happening here. Those rights – enshrined in the Constitution – are being spat upon by the people who champion equality.
I’ve said elsewhere: I don’t care what people do in their bedroom, inasmuch as from a political point of view. I don’t really care if a business decides to offer benefits to domestic partners, or if a gay person decides their partner should be the beneficiary of a life insurance policy, a will, or have power of attorney. Whatever.
I probably wouldn’t even vote for or against a measure like gay marriage if the ulterior motives of the cause weren’t so blatantly obvious and clearly deceptive. Because I’ve seen nothing come out of any measure of the “gay rights” initiative that respects the right of people to disagree with or object to such a lifestyle and such behavior. They don’t want our churches to teach freely, they don’t want parents to raise their kids freely, they don’t want us to speak our mind in the public arena freely.
It’s no longer about tolerance, it’s about forced acceptance.
And this violence is repugnant. I’m not going to stand for it, and I want extremely vocal condemnation of said violence and bigotry from people like Gov. Schwarzenegger, Ellen DeGeneres, etc., ect.
But no – what do we get? Rosanne Barr wanting supporters of Prop. 8 thrown in gulags. Bash Back activists threatening Mormon churches (and, by extension, all religious peoples) with “dissolve completely or be destroyed” – that’s nothing short of an open declaration of war.
You may think it’s stupid to conclude this will end with physical violence, or even death. I – and those of us paying attention – don’t. Heck, if you want to see the left actually defend the murder of a woman who disagreed with homosexuality, Google the name “Mary Stachowicz” and see that the “she deserved to be killed for her views on homosexuality” card has already been played. And that’s what it’s coming to again.
First, I was talking to SixDegrees, Not you.
Second, if you are so woefully ignorant of the actions of the Dixie Chicks, do your own research first.
I know plenty about the actions of the Dixie Chicks. That’s why I know they never said they didn’t want fans who listened to Toby Keith.
Boycott Gay and Lesbian owned and operated businesses.
It works both ways and there are more of us then there are of them.
Here, Mookie, a source for you, from the New York Times, no less:
As someone who liked the Dixie Chicks in high school, I found that comment offensive and have not bought or listened to their music since then, because I’m obviously not “progressive” enough for them, nor am I one of the “really cool people who get it”, which – as we all know – is liberal codespeak for “people who agree with me are welcome, we will not tolerate diversity of opinion.” Funny, though, that their concert tour following said remarks tanked.
I was wrong and I apologize. See how easy that is?
Where was the strong condemnation from the country music community of the death threats the Chicks received?
Sorry, had to step away for a bit. Thanks EQ. I appreciate you posting that link for me.
So country music fans did not speak out loudly enough for you, Mook? Is this really the avenue you want to go down?
I think they were wrong. I may not have said this on this thread, because I thought this was about Prop. 8, but they were.
The boycotts of the concerts, however, were peaceful and I recall no threats to burn down theatres that welcomed the Dixie Chicks, or forced resignations of theatre directors. Offended fans just took their money elsewhere.
EQ is looking for condemnation from the gay community. Where was the condemnation from the country music community over the death threats?
Yes, and the Gay Community should loudly condemn the terrorist actions of people in their midsts.
As far as the chicks go, death threats are illegal. If you know who sent them, they should be investigated and punished, as they kind of hate has no place in the arena of political ideas. But do not equate country music fans silence on a few random nutcases speaking only for themselves with the coordinated actions of a public organization speaking for all gays that supported Gay Marriage.
You are not just talking apples and oranges, Mook… you are talking apples and Buicks.
Sorry Mookie…you don’t know what you are talking about.
Sorry…the other postings happened while I was getting the quote. Not quick enough. What the hell…it’s Monday.
I already said I was wrong and apologized. I can understand why you missed it since it’s a rare occurrence in these parts.
See – this is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. The Dixie Chicks comments broke several years ago now; at this very moment, Prop 8 protesters are threatening violence, and you’re trying to equate the two?
By the way, what do you think about Bash Back’s “dissolve or be destroyed” comment?
112 Mookie
I think whoever did that to the church should be charged with a hate crime and that the FBI should investigate the threats.
You are right about that, Mookie. It is rare that any Liberal will admit to being worng, and rarer still for them to apologize for being wrong. I appreciate what you did.
EnglishQueen…run away with me.
But will it stop? NO. Why? Because the protesters think they’re justified, and I’m willing to bet if you told Bash Back they should be investigated and charged with hate crimes, they’d personally attack you, too.
O Honored Queen! Outstanding Post!
And on the other topic, only a lib would call a boycott “depriving people of income” as if income is a given. The Chicks, who I used to like, publically insulted the President, a rude use of the first ammmendment. Then they told us if we didn’t like it to get lost. Many of us did as we were told. The owner of the Coyote quietly donated $100 to a political cause because of her faith. She humbly apologized for offending anyone, employs gays and supports several of their causes. To compare the two exercises as equal is more than a stretch.
Not as rare as you think or would like.
Thanks!
No, let’s go ahead and compare the two.
What happened to the Ditzy Chicks was words. Words only.
What is happening to the supporters of Prop. 8 are actions.
Nobody actually attacked them. Nobody showed up at their business or at their homes or places of worship and confronted them, threatened them, attacked them, beat them, or forced them into giving up their 25 year careers.
The fact that you and anyone else cannot see the difference is what is really frightening.
Nobody ever ended up in the hospital because of words.
These people are losing their livelihoods. They are being followed home. They are being intimidated and extorted, and you think that is the same thing?
I think it’s important to make a distinction between Bash Back and the majority of people who are protesting peacefully.
And I think it’s important to make a distinction between the few, real, homophobic bigots out there (i.e., the Westboro Baptist nutjobs) and the rest of us living out our First Amendment right to free expression of religion.
Funny, though, how the protesters in general don’t make that distinction.
We’re all Fred Phelps, or his crazy, half-brained relatives, to them.
One other thing that is happening here is nothing less than what the Terrorists in Iraq did prior to their first National Election.
The “No on 8″ people are not just working to get this thrown out in court, but are gearing up to have it once again placed on the ballot in the next election.
In the mean time, they are laying the groundwork to have their opposition starved for money as well as intimidate anyone into voting to repeal this new California Constitutional Amendment.
They are making people think that if they donate to this again, that they will be attacked or worse. If they vote for it, their jobs and livelihoods will be forfeit.
You tell me how that is different from telling people if they show up at the polls they will lose their lives? Sure, there is the semantics of it, but it is fundamentally the exact same thing.
So do we, Mook. There are a comparable number of people on both sides of this issue that are passionate but peaceful.
However, on one side (and only one side) of this debate are people that are using terrorist tactics to get their way. Strangely enough, that is even the theme of this thread.
Do you think we can talk about that instead of ancient history and the diversions that keep coming up here?
You don’t want gays to marry but a Retired Fireman running away with a black woman is okay?… Do you want to be able to marry?.. unless of course RetFireman is black too.. and then the rule is that it is okay, unless one is not American, and then it is not okay?.. or is it? Are both over 18? Can you adopt children? Or are mixed families not allowed to adopt? And, isn’t there a big age diffence between you two? Is ageism allowed? Won’t one of you being a lot older be unfair to children? Should this even be allowed? It is all so confusing…
WOW, you sure are a racist, aren’t you, SoCal?
The only thing that is confusing is how one as ignorant as you is able to type.
Ah, sorry fellas, I’m already spoken for. I’m amazed at how many conservative guys dig my ideology.
I jokingly ask, where were you all when I needed a date for prom?!
I’m assuming you’re referring to his comment about (jokingly) running away with me…so I’m curious to know how anyone here got the idea I was black.
I’m not (not that it matters, anyway). I’m all German and Polish. Which, of course, means I’m even more of a politically incorrect pariah, but whatever.
Hit “submit” too soon – besides, SoCal, race is a different issue – it’s a genetically inhereted trait that can’t be changed or controlled.
On the other hand, same sex attraction (SSA) might have a biological predisposition, but boils down to behavior.
Oh, then it is okay, right? I am glad you all know the way it should work and that you are comfortable with and sure about your color and sexuality…
Be a pity if you were not allowed to marry because you didn’t fit the mold, or weren‘t the right color.
As soon as I say something about color, one of you loons yells RAAAAACIST. Yet you can sit here and call gays names all day, and then get upset when they protest and get angry… seems silly to me.
So you bring race into a discussion where it does not apply, just to make one of your insipid little points and then you get indignant when you are accurately called a racist?
Do you whine like this all the time SoCal?
Wow. Look at all the hostility, racism, assumptions, labels, and so much hate you have just SPEWED into this one little posting.
I have no idea what her race is, nor do you mine. I have no idea what her age is, no do you mine.
You know what? there is just so much hypocrisy, hate, and much, MUCH more in this one little post that exposed YOU to be the exact thing that you are claiming to be against that I can’t even begin to know where to begin with it.
But hey, why don’t you take all that deep seeded hatred and self-loathing and go play on one of the blogs where you will fit in. You have just demonstrated that you are no better than the trolls are, and have lost soooo much in many people’s eyes.
Wow…I mean just wow.
The assumptions of race and age alone…just wow,
On second thought…go on…tell me just what race you think I am along with my age. I gotta see this. Tell us more all about your personal little bigotries.
Come on SoCal, we know you use that lame old comparison to bait people. Here we go again, back to the silly old debate about weather or not gayness is inheirited. So far, that has not been scientifically proven one wayor the other. Certainly not the same way as race has a genetic component.
And I hope it is never proven, because then people would use “genetic selection” i.e. abortion to get rid of potentially LGBT fetuses, and that would be heinous.
Give it a rest.
and its a lot of fun too!
obviously not. it would have been bred out of the population long ago.
Have your meds worn out or something? I asked a simple question: how did you come to the conclusion I was black?
You didn’t answer, but went off on this unhinged rant.
So now it’s a crime to be certain of one’s ethnicity and sexuality? It’s okay to discriminate because I’m not exotic or sexually adventureous enough for you?
Personally, I’ve already answered this question: race is inherent and cannot be changed. An interracial marriage between a black man and white woman (or whatever) does not undermine the institution of marriage, as it is still the best situation for begetting and raising children.
Homosexual behavior may have biological roots, but it is ultimately a behavior.
And, as I’ve said before, I wouldn’t give a crap (from a political standpoint) what people do in their bedrooms if they didn’t attempt to force churches, religious groups, organizations and individuals into accepting such behavior at the risk of civil (i.e., Human Rights Commissions) or legal (i.e. hate/thought hate/speech crime legislation). But when civil unions are not enough, when it doesn’t satisfy the left to marry in churches that accept their behavior, but find (sometimes intentionally) institutions/organizations/individuals who don’t agree then harrass them into doing so, it crosses that line between tolerance and forced acceptance.
And I’m not going to stand for it.
Lastly, I’ll repeat my assertion that one of the reasons the black population voted so heavily in favor of Prop. 8 may have to do with the left’s inability to stop using the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s as the banner for the gay-rights movement. Many blacks find it offensive, and perhaps this is the ignoring of that offense biting people in the rear.
No it isn’t…it is a “Lifestyle”. An “Alternative Lifestyle” to be exact. Is that not what they claim it to be? Is it not called the Gay or Homosexual Lifestyle?
But it is a behavior. Just like a surfing “lifestyle” is a behavior, or a gangsta “lifestyle” is a behavior.
Funny, though, how my lifestyle, with my faith, is never a “lifestyle”, but a deplorable, brainwashing bigotry from which I must (forcefully) be liberated.
Oh, if only I could think for myself (read: have liberals tell me what to do 24/7/365) I’d be sooooo much happier!
Heck…just look what one little silly statement exposed about me? I had no idea. But thanks to the truly tolerant amongst us, I was able to find out so much.
Still waiting to find out what my race and age are, but after exposing so many of his own little prejudices, must be spent.
Behavior, lifestyle, or inheirited I DONT CARE. It doesnt matter one bit to the political question of redefining marriage and exercising free speech. The violent totalitarian satanic-looking anti-prop 8 protest tactics speak for themselves and they are not as isolated as some may claim.
This is always about control. It has nothing to do with marriage or love or equality. This is not about two homosexual men expressing their undying love. It is not about accepting homosexuality.
The radical homosexual neofascists want everyone to approve of their perversion. Nothing less than approval will do. The world must announce that they are normal!
They are willing to use Sturmabteilung tactics of threats, intimidation and violence against those who exercised their democratic rights in a peaceful fashion. The radical homosexual movement and their leftist allies are willing to use violence to overturn the results of a democratic election. We must never forget this.
eq01: the sad thing about your excellently-stated post is that no proponent of the LGBT community cares a whit about your “beliefs” as they are founded in an “outdated religious system founded by men and designed to enslave the faithful” (or some iteration of moral relativism’s refutation of Christianity.
This is in no way an assertion that all gays are godless, because I know that this is simply not true. Nevertheless, the “fringe” elements in this debate, I believe, are godless–and take it further (as evidenced by the bash-backers and their join or die mantra).
What we have here, as I see it, are two groups. One seeks to peacefully settle matters via the democratic process–as has been the template in this nation for over 200 years. The other, seeks to hide behind slogans and buzzwords like “inclusion” or “rights” or “tolerate” or “bigot” or … all the while exhibiting the type of behavior that they allegedly find so detestable.
I would never harm another individual just because their vote differed from mine. If their ideology threatened my family, I would stand up for my family. I might even stand up for me. But I cannot fathom the type of fanatic hatred it must take to do what these zealots are doing–singling out good Christian folk who have simply been told to exercise their right to vote–and to vote their conscience, based on their inner God-given beliefs.
I know that’s what Mormons did–I can only assume that Catholics did the same. At no time did I ever hear–from the pulpit in a meeting from any leader–a call to go and vote down Prop 8 (or Prop 22 in 2000, for that matter). The LDS church has always advocated political neutrality. If this neutrality is in question in this political cycle, it can only be, in MY opinion, because this is not a political issue–but a moral one.
I have heard michael savage talk about the gay mafia on his show and i chuckled and thought that was maybe going a bit far….guess i was wrong.
Contribution to the “anarchist” group will get them no where…the money could be better spent hiring some protection. Gotta be a few ex-military that can be hired for a reasonable price.
These a$$hole$ will not stop till they get slapped up the side of the head…bullies never do till someone stands up to ‘em.
And where the hell are the police here, looking the other way…their getting as bad the politicians. They are suppose to be protecting us from butt wipes like these dolts.
What about calling it what it is: extortion.