“leading providers of reproductive health care”: translation – we kill more babies than Toys R Us sells toys

“Planned Parenthood”: translation – we kill the baby so the parents don’t have to actually be parents

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/3486000/Transplant-of-windpipe-grown-from-stem-cells-heralds-new-era-in-medicine.html

And then there is the astonishing potential of embryonic stem cells, the means by which Mother Nature fashions our entire bodies. Our understanding of how to guide the development of an embryonic stem cell is primitive – but unlike the bone marrow cells used in the Castillo case, embryonic stem cells can turn into any one of the 200 or more different cell types in our bodies, rendering the opportunities potentially limitless. As Prof Austin Smith of Cambridge University points out, much more work must be done to determine how to make them grow the right way, and then to mould them into organs. Even so, the potential in terms of replacement body parts – or even replacement bodies – is vast.

OC:

You have got to be kidding. Tell me again what life is destroyed when using adult stem cells?

I am quite serious. Please refer to #176.

The fact is the definition of what is life is becoming quite blurred in the 21st century. Salt correctly observed I am speaking of cloning and just exactly what constitutes a human life. If you say: “it’s when the egg meets the sperm,” you will then have the problem of defining exactly what a nucleus transplanted from a skin cell into a gutted egg cell is. If it’s the point at which it starts dividing then you have the problem of defining what an embryonic stem cell dividing outside a trophoblast is as well as, the aforementioned dedifferentiated adult stem cell doing the same. If it’s the point that a dividing clump of cells will start to differentiate and eventually become a fetus then you have the problem of naturally occurring and naturally aborted fetuses with severe genetic deformities such that they could never grow into a “human.” On top of that you have things like this:

http://scienceline.org/2007/08/31/bio_anderson_chimera/

To take it a step even further, there is the issue of perhaps actual human-chimpanzee hybrids such that Stalin attempted to create. Rest assured, at some point in the future, some truly bizarre and unscrupulous individual could be successful at such a thing. What then? Do we grant these beings the status of “human?” Do they have a full human “soul” or just part of one? What about just plain old chimpanzees?

zeroangel #102
The extreme pro-life position that a fertilized egg is every bit a human

Enjoy the death cult, don’t you?

Please be fair here. I am trying my best.

So is the child less dead?

So as I read through my many daily reads, there were too many stories I wanted to talk about to do them all, so here is a quick mask up.
Suppression of free speech in New York?
Apparently.  Specifically this is a buffer zone for protesters, and mandat…

My point is made. If those of you that believe a fertilized egg is equal to a human life also think that IUD, culling during IVF, ESCR, various forms of altering adult stem cells, and (of course) abortion should be illegal and subject to the same punishments as murder then at least you are consistent.

What about the idea that an adult stem cell manipulated to behave like an embryonic stem cell and possibly grow into a fetus? Why should such an adult stem cell not be considered a life as well?

You have got to be kidding. Tell me again what life is destroyed when using adult stem cells?

On November 19th, 2008 at 9:01 pm, Jean said:

Double standard. Amazing!

So its okay for Gay Activists to shout, curse, assault, etc. in front of Churches, but the moment we protest in from of clinics… thats wrong. amazing.

Of course it’s hypocrisy… it’s liberals we’re talking about here

Although if any of these anti-prop 8 fools come into my church pulling a stunt like I heard about on Way of the Master Radio yesterday I will firmly plant my boot into them just before I escort them from the building. Being in the infantry previously has its advantages when providing security in your church

So its okay for Gay Activists to shout, curse, assault, etc. in front of Churches, but the moment we protest in from of clinics… thats wrong. amazing.

I understand your position and you restate it awfully well. My position is that the entire question of “when life begins” and in addition “what life is worthy of protection” IS arbitrary.

This debate can easily lead into an animal rights debate (at the very least for chimpanzees). I am reluctant to go further though.

You all have made your case very well and for those that have remained civil and consistent, thank you. I actually learned something new about pluripotent cells today since I was compelled to read more into it. That alone has made this exchange worthwhile for me.

zeroangel said:I am searching for any relevant sources

Scientific advancements becomes irrelevant because of the social need to protect all human life. All discoveries will need to be weighted in favor of protecting human life. The historical dangers of the state determining the arbitrary point between life and death on any level can not be denied. The moment of conception is the only non-arbitrary point in time.