Wellsy said:

As an Ohioan, I’d like to apologize for Sen. Voinovich. I have never voted for him, and I will never do so in the future. He’s toast when he runs for reelection.

Nah… he’ll get re-elected.. just like Murtha.

That deal’s off.

Looking at Honda and Toyota now. Or maybe a BMW 3 series. Screw the UAW. They want to be subsidized? Ask France for the money.

No matter what happens, in 50 years I can guarantee that I wont care…

Is NOW the time for the Second American Revolution?

Probably.

I read everyone saying what boils down to: “so&so must be *stupid* to vote for that: it won’t do any good! I don’t *understand* it!”

Regardless of what we think of them, all sucessful politicians, (success being defined as winning elections and accrewing power,) have focus. Even though they might not be the brightest bulb, they possess that quality snakes, foxes, weasles, and all other scrounging packanimals have: cunning.

Look at the bills that go though Congress, 98+% simply increase their power. Either directly, (tax increase) or indirectly (Campaign Finance Reform). Even when a law doesn’t *look* like it changes the balance, it usually does. It will do it in devious ways: on one side of the equation by limiting the citizen: access to a government process, or his mobility or choice, or interfering with the ownership of chattels. In some cases removing the right-to-ownership all together. If they think they can get away with it, it might be a direct robbing of the power we’ve loaned them to act in on our behalf, converting it to themselves. I could go on with specifics, there’s a lot on this side of the equation.
On the otherside it might
impede a citizen’s access to information needed for judgement, hiding and/or deflecting accountability for actions, complicating and overlapping the laws until a citizen’s always on the hook, insulating themselves from conditions they create, using their loaned power to social engineer the citizenry by keeping them ignorant of our history and the actual model that our Republic was built on. I could fill pages with this…

When looked at through that lens, all their actions become understandable and predicable.

For ex. JN: of course he went for the bailout. Look at every vote, and every bill he championed. Public Service? It is to laugh. John McCain served John McCain. And Pelousi will serve Pelousi, Murtha, Murtha, etc.

Big Three Labor costs are $78 per hour.
Toyota and Honda U.S. labor costs are $48 per hour.

You can do anything you want, but baring an explosion of robots, any plan that does not address this is meaningless.

Therefore, Romney is correct.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.