“But having people like you and McCain in the party costs it votes.”

So I cost the republicans the election by being a republican! I have to admit, as a fellow mean, bitter bastard I have to give grudging admiration at just how corrosive you can be but your logic leaves a lot to be desired.

“I refuse to support a political party in which people like McCain have a leadership role.”

Great news: You got Obama.

In order to win elections you need to get votes.

Sure. But having people like you and McCain in the party costs it votes. I refuse to support a political party in which people like McCain have a leadership role.

Actually, Bill, it’s the Democrat’s most far-fetched dream when Republicans start VOTING WITH THEM AND HELP THEM CRAFT LEGISLATION AND SMEAR CONSERVATIVES WHO OPPOSE THEM.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, what if, theoretically, the democrats happened to be right on something? Should the republicans oppose them? Isn’t that just being the “opposite” party? Should they never work together? Ever read “The Zax” by Dr. Seuss?

One day, making tracks
In the prairie of Prax,
Came a North-Going Zax
And a South-Going Zax.

And it happened that both of them came to a place
Where they bumped. There they stood.
Foot to foot. Face to face.

“Look here, now!” the North-Going Zax said, “I say!
You are blocking my path. You are right in my way.
I’m a North-Going Zax and I always go north.
Get out of my way, now, and let me go forth!”

“Who’s in whose way?” snapped the South-Going Zax.
“I always go south, making south-going tracks.
So you’re in MY way! And I ask you to move
And let me go south in my south-going groove.”

Then the North-Going Zax puffed his chest up with pride.
“I never,” he said, “take a step to one side.
And I’ll prove to you that I won’t change my ways
If I have to keep standing here fifty-nine days!”

“And I’ll prove to YOU,” yelled the South-Going Zax,
“That I can stand here in the prairie of Prax
For fifty-nine years! For I live by a rule
That I learned as a boy back in South-Going School.
Never budge! That’s my rule. Never budge in the least!
Not an inch to the west! Not an inch to the east!
I’ll stay here, not budging! I can and I will
If it makes you and me and the whole world stand still!”

Well…
Of course the world didn’t stand still. The world grew.
In a couple of years, the new highway came through
And they built it right over those two stubborn Zax
And left them there, standing un-budged in their tracks.

Now sure, Harry Reid (et al) is a miserable traitor whose just reward I can’t outline here without a visit from the FBI… But giving the little she-dog more power isn’t a way to thwart him.

FYI, I voted for McCain, so I guess I don’t fall in that category of “morons” so disenchanted with McCain that they’d be happy with Obama winning to “spite the face,” to mix analogies.

Nope, you tried to make the best out of a bad situation. Just remember that some here (Including the host) were doing their best to make the situation worse… with predictable results. Insisting on an unelectable ideologue for next time out will just get the same result.

“Well, they’ll just have to delay that dream, Bill, since Republicans (quite correctly) only cite RINOs as being RINOs.”

These categorical propositions that you are using don’t quite work in a country of 300 million people. No, we have had idiotic blowhards who have made themselves the arbiters of republicanism declaring anyone they disagree with (rightly or wrongly) to be a “RINO”. Many of these same idiots stayed home or threw their votes away on moonbats, misfits, truthers and circus clowns.

So what right does someone have to call someone else a RINO when they are doing their best to give power to the democrats?

“If the RINOs/Democrats In Deed can’t take it they’ll just have to head out the ol’ kitchen door and make sure it doesn’t hit ‘em on their backsides on the way out.”

Listening to reasoning like that is why I can’t eat salt anymore.
In order to win elections you need to get votes. Encouraging voters to “head out the ol’ kitchen door” isn’t a good strategy to that end. Further, if the hard right is just going to sit on it’s ass because it doesn’t get lockstep marching from the rest of the electorate then it is just going to be ignored and that really will push the party toward the center because that is the only way it will be able to survive.

“That was the key strategic error that we really made,” Holtz-Eakin added. “Had we stayed away from Washington, stayed away from being identified with that bill – which was ultimately against the John McCain brand– that’s not a bill he normally would support– we would have been better served in the long run, I believe. But, that financial market meltdown combined with bad strategic decisions, I think, was a real crippling combination of events.”

They still don’t get it.

The right thing to do was not to “stay away from being identified with that bill”.

The right thing to do was to actively lead the opposition to that bill.

The House of Representatives initially voted “No” on the bailout. Then a highly questionable Constitutional “loophole” was used to re-initiate the bill in the Senate (as an “amendment” to a totally unrelated bill which had been passed previously passed in the house).

When an amendment is multiple times the size of the original bill, it’s not an amendment at all… it’s a coup of the original bill’s purpose. Hence, the bailout began, unconstitutionally, in the Senate.

Many Republicans in the Senate and House followed the lead of their leaders… President Bush, John McCain, and GOP House Minority Leader John Boehner, who all supported the bailout.

Imagine, if you will, that our Republican Party Presidential nominee was a man who stood boldly on principle against the bailout. The Republicans in the Senate and House who “follow the leader” would likely have voted against the bailout.

Now, who was a Republican Presidential candidate who stood boldly on principle against the bailout?

Mike Huckabee.

Duh of the day: McCain adviser admits bailout stance was a “blunder”

At what point will they also realize that throwing Palin under the bus was not such a good idea either?

It is the democrats most far-fetched dream come true when republicans start calling each other “RINO’s”…

Actually, Bill, it’s the Democrat’s most far-fetched dream when Republicans start VOTING WITH THEM AND HELP THEM CRAFT LEGISLATION AND SMEAR CONSERVATIVES WHO OPPOSE THEM.

FYI, I voted for McCain, so I guess I don’t fall in that category of “morons” so disenchanted with McCain that they’d be happy with Obama winning to “spite the face,” to mix analogies.

Now that the election is over, I don’t want to see the GOP lurch to the left. We HAD a moderate this time and it didn’t do us any good. Obama won a lot of people with his BS “tax cut,” a conservative principle, of 95% of America. You and I know he didn’t mean it, but people respond well to tax cutting, not to more government and “wealth spreading,” a comment which if it had been made a few months prior, would have changed the face of this election. Yes, just a few months, as despite the “decisive victory,” it really was as close as that, as people kept looking to McCain to provide a reason to not vote for inexperienced Obama. Unfortunately, McCain’s best argument, with his moderate and at times liberal record, was “I’m not really that much like him.” Democrat-lite empowers the real deal to gather the votes of those who don’t see much difference between the two.

Bill Grant said:
It is the democrats most far-fetched dream come true when republicans start calling each other “RINO’s”…

Well, they’ll just have to delay that dream, Bill, since Republicans (quite correctly) only cite RINOs as being RINOs. If the RINOs/Democrats In Deed can’t take it they’ll just have to head out the ol’ kitchen door and make sure it doesn’t hit ‘em on their backsides on the way out.

What exactly is the RMSP? Well, have a look at their website.

The November 1994 mid-term elections were commonly referred to as the “Republican Revolution.” Given the great gains made by Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, a group of moderate House Republicans began informal meetings to discuss ways to further a centrist, pragmatic Republican agenda — one that could accommodate bipartisan legislative results. At that time, there was great concern that a dramatic shift to the right was quickly approaching, given the new congressional leadership. The discussion group began to craft a moderate Republican agenda with a fiscally conservative background.

Yes, the RMSP was founded with the explicit purpose of preventing the GOP from moving to the right.

Some notable members of the RCMP include Warran Rudman and John Danforth. The group screams “RINO”. Membership in it should disqualify anybody from a leadership position in the Republican party.

Among the RCMP’s members – Micheal Steele.

More from their site.

Statement of Former U.S. Rep. Charles F. Bass, President of RMSP – “Today, centrist Republicans put aside election year politics and put the American people first. Thanks to centrist Republicans, legislation is headed to the President’s desk that will provide stability to our financial markets and will jump start our economy.”

John McCain is one of these people. He’s not one of us.

It is the democrats most far-fetched dream come true when republicans start calling each other “RINO’s”…

This just in: we have Obama because morons stayed at home instead of going in and voting, because they had been hearing OTHER morons calling the choices “RINO’s.”

So those of you who stayed home or threw your vote away because of the effluence you read here pat yourselves on the backs for being so “pure”. You damaged the country with your self righteous stupidity.

Had we stayed away from Washington, stayed away from being identified with that bill – which was ultimately against the John McCain brand– that’s not a bill he normally would support

Of course it was exactly the kind of bill McCain would normally support – a “bipartisan” bill with the support of the media and with the conservative wing of the GOP against it. How could he NOT support it?

My QUESTION–
What are WE going to do when the GOP gives us the NEXT L_O_T_E_???
It will you know…

At the rate things are Christian Soldier, if we conservatives DON’T say no to the LOTE we might as well pack it up and go home.

Two things NEED to happen between now and 2012:

1. Our Presidential Primary system needs to be changed drastically…I’m sick and tired of the Eastern U.S. disenfranchising us out West and elsewhere. Candiadates should give us 3 months to let us get to know them via interviews and campaigning, and then we vote at the same time nationwide.

2. Closed Primaries in All 50 (yes 50) states.

If we as conservatives cannot get these reforms enacted, then the Republican party has no hope…and the dems will stuff the ballot boxes with another worthless RINO.