eHarmony forced to offer same-sex dating services; Update: And now, a class-action lawsuit

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 20, 2008 12:59 AM

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So, this is “progress?” eHarmony, a Christian-targeted dating website, gets sued by a gay man demanding that the business match him up with a same-sex partner. The New Jersey Attorney General intervenes on behalf of the gay plaintiff and forces eHarmony to change its entire business model. To be clear: The company never refused to do business with anyone. Their great “sin” was not providing a specialized service that litigious gay people demanded they provide. This case is akin to a meat-eater suing a vegetarian restaurant for not offering him a ribeye or a female patient suing a vasectomy doctor for not providing her hysterectomy services. Sadly, eHarmony has settled . I wish they hadn’t, but I understand the decision given the chilling antics of the anti-Prop. 8 mob. The company agreed not only to offer same-sex dating services on a new site, but also to offer six-month subscriptions for free to 10,000 gay users. Behold the submission:

Coming soon to EHarmony — Adam and Steve.

The Pasadena-based dating website, heavily promoted by Christian evangelical leaders when it was founded, has agreed in a civil rights settlement to give up its heterosexuals-only policy and offer same-sex matches.

EHarmony was started by psychologist Neil Clark Warren, who is known for his mild-mannered television and radio advertisements. It must not only implement the new policy by March 31 but also give the first 10,000 same-sex registrants a free six-month subscription.

“That was one of the things I asked for,” said Eric McKinley, 46, who complained to New Jersey’s Division on Civil Rights after being turned down for a subscription in 2005.

The company said that Warren was not giving interviews on the settlement. But attorney Theodore Olson, who issued a statement on the company’s behalf, made clear that it did not agree to offer gay matches willingly. “Even though we believed that the complaint resulted from an unfair characterization of our business,” Olson said, “we ultimately decided it was best to settle this case with the attorney general since litigation outcomes can be unpredictable.”

The settlement, which did not find that EHarmony broke any laws, calls for the company to either offer the gay matches on its current venue or create a new site for them. EHarmony has opted to create a site called Compatiblepartners.net.

Warren had said in past interviews that he didn’t want to feature same-sex services on EHarmony — which matches people based on long questionnaires concerning personality traits, relationship history and interests — because he felt he didn’t know enough about gay relationships.

eHarmony had been previously sued by a lesbian looking to force the company to match her up with another woman and by a married man who sought to force the company to hook him up in an adulterous relationship.

Perhaps heterosexual men and women should start filing lawsuits against gay dating websites and undermine their business. Coerced tolerance and diversity-by-fiat cut both ways.

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GayPatriot West gives eHarmony’s capitulation thumbs down.

Update 4pm Eastern 11/20. Geez. Now, a California judge has approved a class-action lawsuit by gays against eHarmony. When it rains, it pours:

(onlinedatingmagazine.com – November 20, 2008) A California Superior Court judge has certified a class action lawsuit against eHarmony.com for discrimination against gays and lesbians in California. The news comes one day after eHarmony settled a case in the State of New Jersey where a gay man accused the company of discrimination. In that settlement, eHarmony agreed to open up a service that matches gays and lesbians.

That announcement had no affect in the California case, which is moving forward.

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  1. #552576
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    Corkie, see above.

  2. #552579
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, Mookie said:

    I’ve said it before, if there was language in such a measure protecting the First Amendment rights of churches, groups, organizations and individuals againsted being coerced, forced, or compelled to participate in or condone such civil unions, I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

    Unfortunately, Mookie, many feel the way eaglehaslanded do: that we who disagree have to be forced into thinking like they do and approving of things we believe morally reprehensible.

    Until folks like him are the exception and not the rule, I’m not going to sit on the sidelines and watch my free expression of religion and speech steamrolled.

    You’re always going to have extremists on each side of a battle. It’s the whole “If it bleeds, it leads” philosophy. It’s like the Folsom St. Fair pictures. It’s completely disgusting but it gets the attention because there’s shock value. Pictures of gays and lesbians out with their families at a park like everyone else would be boring, right? It’s the same with Fred Phelps. He’s the first thing that comes to the minds of a lot of people when you talk about banning gay marriage. You don’t see the people who don’t hate gays and just want to make sure their church is going to be ok.

    I think the vast majority of gays aren’t looking to be married in churches, nor are they looking to destroy religion. Will there always be some idiot who wants to be an attention whore and sue a church or sue eHarmony? Of course. There are people who thrive off being perpetually pissed off about something.

    There needs to be a middle ground here. Put together legislation that would allow gays to have civil unions just like straight couples who choose not to get married in the church. Provide them with the exact same tax benefits, survivorship benefits and property rights that straight couples who are married civilly get. Provide a conscience clause that protects churches from performing marriages that go against their doctrines. What would be wrong with that?

  3. #552580
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, corkie said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:10 pm, mpChops said:

    The organization gets public funds. Any organization getting public funds has to follow state or federal laws, especially regarding discrimination. That’s just the way it works. They knew that, but the money was more important than the principals.

    Wrong, wrong, wrong. You obviously don’t know much about tax exempt organizations.

    Are you actually implying that I should be allowed to rent any facility owned by a tax exempt organization in my state for a purpose that they denounce???? That’s laughable!

    BTW, learn the difference between a tax exemption and “gets public funds.”

  4. #552581
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, mpChops said:
    The law is consistent.

    Ah, i see. You’re under the misconception that law is legal as long as it is applied consistently. That is incorrect.

    So you think we should allow gay marriage based upon equal protection, but when I point out to you that the law is equal and consistent, regardless of sexual preference, then I have a misconception?

    How will you ever get out of that pretzel you’ve twisted yourself into?

  5. #552584
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, Khyris said:

    Re-write the tax code to recognize gay civil unions on a nationwide level and a lot of the controversy over the word “marriage” disappears.

    It might, it might not… but even if it was guaranteed to quell the controversy doesn’t necessarily make it a good idea. The tax codes regarding marriage were written as an incentivization towards voluntary engagement in the legally and financially binding commitments of a Federally recognized marriage. The government’s vested interest in this is to encourage, but not coerce, the production of healthy and well adjusted future generations of citizens. Because this production is impossible between homosexual couples, the government lacks motivation of a vested interest to force the taxpayer to subsidize the maintenance of the relationship. Just clarifying…

  6. #552585
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    BTW, learn the difference between a tax exemption and “gets public funds.”

    They were getting both, and both were a basis for the decision.

    And again, we are talking bout a special REAL ESTATE tax exemption called the “Green Acres Program” that was made available to entities if and only in they agreed to certain parameters.

  7. #552588
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pm, chapoutier said:

    eeesh…

    “if and only if

  8. #552592
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, newton said:

    I guess it’s time for eHarmony to just shut down the business, refund any fees to its subscribers, and let others take the bulk of their services.

  9. #552593
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    So you do not support a Church marrying(which implies the legality of the marriage, and not just the ceremony) a gay couple?

    Ultimately, you support freedom of religion as far as the religion follows your beliefs. You do not support a church marrying a gay couple, so you do not support freedom of religion even as it currently exists for most religions in the United States.

    Why do you oppose freedom of religion?

    WOW! Did you pull a muscle with that unbelievably stupid attempt to twist my words? Put some ice on it when it gets sore… :roll:

    The law does not require people be married in churches. Some states – like Wisconsin – require you have some sort of ceremony with officiant and witnesses, but not necessarily in a church.

    If I were a lesbian, in a church that had no problem with my orientation, and I wanted to have a wedding ceremony with my partner, the police would not show up and stop it. My minister would not be thrown in jail. In the eyes of the church we would still be “married”, even if – civilly – it wasn’t recognized.

    NOTHING would stop my church from marrying me.

    And I don’t care if a church marries gays and lesbians “marry” in their churches. I’ve known same-sex couples that have commitment ceremonies all the time. So far, none of them have been thrown in prison.

    You do not support a church marrying a gay couple, so you do not support freedom of religion even as it currently exists for most religions in the United States

    First – find where I explicitly say I don’t think a church should legally be able to marry a couple. 1) I didn’t and 2) churches aren’t prohibited from doing so. I don’t give a crap what another church’s doctrine is – I may not agree with it, but guess what? If I don’t agree with it, I don’t go to church there!!!

    You, on the other hand, with chapoutier and eaglehaslanded, have made it obviously clear that if a church DOES NOT want to perform such a ceremony, they should be punished.

    THAT violates freedom of religion.

  10. #552594
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    You, on the other hand, with chapoutier and eaglehaslanded, have made it obviously clear that if a church DOES NOT want to perform such a ceremony, they should be punished.

    Please I never said anything of the sort nor do i believe that.

    Do not presume to know what I think on this subject.

  11. #552595
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, corona said:

    new lawsuits on the horizon:

    against the NAACP by non-colored people

    against bra manufacturers by men

    against swimming pools by non-swimmers

    against churches by atheists

    against radio stations by deaf people

    against AARP by twenty-somethings

    against sunscreen makers by the melanin-gifted

  12. #552596
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, CyberCipher said:

    As I’ve stated here before at MM.COM, if gays achieve their goal, it will mean the end of marriage in the United States, period. Furthermore, if they succeed in destroying organized religion in the United States, as some people in this thread have suggested, they do so at their own peril.

    My collie says:

    If they succeed, the church will go underground, the contamination of big money and power (worldly influence) will go away, the church will return to its first century roots, and a widespread purge of CINOs (Christians in name only) will naturally occur — since CINOs simple don’t have what it takes to deal with persecution and hardship.

    And if collie is correct, it could be the best thing that has ever happened to Christianity, and possibly the worst thing that has ever happened to gay people (at least here in the USA). Gays will find that once the moral precepts given to us by Jesus Christ are driven out of the public sphere entirely, secular society will ultimately conclude that gays are a Darwinian dead end, and that they are only worthy of one thing, viz. extinction.

  13. #552597
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, mpChops said:

    So you think we should allow gay marriage based upon equal protection, but when I point out to you that the law is equal and consistent, regardless of sexual preference, then I have a misconception?

    You’re equating equal protection with consitent application. They aren’t the same.

    If i created a law that said no left handed people could get jobs, and applied it consistently among all people, would that be legal?

  14. #552599
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, purplepeep said:

    MNUSMCDavid said:
    I agree with Father Corapi , who once suggested the total refutation of tax exempt status he stated that go ahead do it… nothing better than complete freedom …. then let the scum sucking anti Catholics go after us, all shackles would be off and we could fight back.

    I’m not a Catholic, but Father Corapi is an interesting fellow to listen to – not nearly quite as good as Bishop Sheen was, but still good.

    But, yeah indeed, get the government outta religion. There have been a few Protestant pastors who have preached about candidates from the pulpit and are waiting for the IRS to step in so it can go to court. Oddly enough, the whole IRS-Fed Big Brotherism over religion has never been challenged as a violation of the First Amendment. And it is clearly a violation of both free speech and of freedom of religion.

  15. #552600
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, corkie said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    Corkie, see above.

    Roger, chapoutier. Belay my last.

  16. #552601
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I agree with Father Corapi , who once suggested the total refutation of tax exempt status he stated that go ahead do it

    Yeah, I supposed if we paid taxes, we’d be able to really get involved in politics then. Maybe there’d be a benefit to it…

  17. #552603
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    If i created a law that said no left handed people could get jobs, and applied it consistently among all people, would that be legal?

    Left-handedness, like race, is an inherited trait and not a behavior.

    Next argument, please…

  18. #552606
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yeah, I supposed if we paid taxes, we’d be able to really get involved in politics then. Maybe there’d be a benefit to it…

    You know the issue is rarely about paying taxes. Most churches aren’t flush with extra income after all their expenses. Whatever taxes they paid would be minor.

    Its more about the charitable contribution deduction available to donors. THAT is what would really hurt if it was gone.

  19. #552608
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, mpChops said:

    You’re equating equal protection with consitent application. They aren’t the same.

    If i created a law that said no left handed people could get jobs, and applied it consistently among all people, would that be legal?

    I have had it with this circular reasoning.

    You told us all that gays were denied a right. I asked you to show me a right or a law that applied to gay that applied to no one else, or to straights and no one else.

    You have failed to do that!

    I await your apology!

  20. #552610
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, purplepeep said:

    corona said:
    new lawsuits on the horizon:

    Heh – good list, Corona.

  21. #552611
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, Khyris said:

    The tax codes regarding marriage were written as an incentivization towards voluntary engagement in the legally and financially binding commitments of a Federally recognized marriage. The government’s vested interest in this is to encourage, but not coerce, the production of healthy and well adjusted future generations of citizens. Because this production is impossible between homosexual couples, the government lacks motivation of a vested interest to force the taxpayer to subsidize the maintenance of the relationship. Just clarifying…

    Bingo, Khyris! What you said!

    SSN ~subsidizes~ the retirement of married people out of the pockets of the general population. It is an unspeakable outrage to coerce unmarried people to subsidize the retirement security of fudge-packers.

    Obviously, subsidy of gay marriage through the tax code is just as bad. I tend to give that a bit less emphasis, though, since the government has made a mess of subsidizing even legitimate marriages through the tax code, sometimes even inadvertently penalizing them (the infamous “marriage penalty”).

  22. #552612
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, Mookie said:

    Because this production is impossible between homosexual couples, the government lacks motivation of a vested interest to force the taxpayer to subsidize the maintenance of the relationship.

    That makes it sound like the government should test the fertility of the couple before granting them a marriage license.

  23. #552613
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, mpChops said:

    Left-handedness, like race, is an inherited trait and not a behavior.

    That’s simply not true. Left-handedness is not a trait at all, but a behavior. Hell, you can LEARN to be left-handed.

    Left-handedness is as much as a trait as homosexuality.

  24. #552617
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm, mpChops said:

    I have had it with this circular reasoning.

    You told us all that gays were denied a right. I asked you to show me a right or a law that applied to gay that applied to no one else, or to straights and no one else.

    Stan, I’m applying your logic to different situations, and in each situation, it fails to hold. You don’t even understand the basic, fundemental difference between equal protection and consistent application.

  25. #552619
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, Khyris said:

    You’ve totally proved my point: the tax-exempt status all churches and all religious organizations enjoy is, in essence, public funding.

    This is categorically false, the problem though, lies in how slick lawyers argue this to be true.

    “Tax exempt” is misconstrued to mean “liable, but done a favor of declining tax collection”. In reality, it would be unconstitutional to create “any law with respect to religion” including in the tax codes.

    As I have explained before, the tax codes only mention churches as “exempt” as a restatement of the first amendment principle, not as a new law with respect to them.

    Without that distinction, the entire taxcode could be put to constitutional challenge because it could be argued to apply to religious organizations by default. So the distinction was mentioned just as a preventative affirmation.

  26. #552624
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm, mpChops said:
    Stan, I’m applying your logic to different situations, and in each situation, it fails to hold.

    No, what you are doing is avoiding a direct question because you are aware that the answer you will have to give will utterly destroy your argument. So you throw out poll taxes and left-handedness to cover the fact that you have no argument.

    Gays have lost no rights. The law is applied equally. And you have no way to further argue your point.

    How sad.

  27. #552632
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm, mpChops said:

    Gays have lost no rights. The law is applied equally

    Again, you prove the depth of you confusion with this statement. Because the law is applied equally, gays have lost no rights.

    That is NOT the right of equal protection garunteed in the Constitution.

  28. #552635
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:45 pm, Khyris said:

    That makes it sound like the government should test the fertility of the couple before granting them a marriage license.

    Theoretically true, except that would be discriminatory by medical disability. It would never fly in court. Also, the costs of administering such a testing system to weed out the few afflicted applicants would not be recouped by tax revenue savings. Rather the assumption is “one man + one woman = possibility of children” Again, doesn’t matter if they intend to remain celebate, as the system was designed to be encouraging but not coercive. That is why child tax credits are supplemental.

    Again, not taking a stance, just clarifying.

  29. #552637
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    Stan,

    If you swing a baseball bat at a height of 6 feet at a line of people, you may be applying your bat swinging criteria equally, but only the folks over six feet tall are gonna have a headache.

  30. #552639
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, corkie said:

    I have to state my agreement with Chapoutier on this. He appears to be right about the facts of this case, and, unless someone is able to present facts which I’ve yet to see, I’d say that the church in question has a weak argument.

    Like he and others have stated, it appears that they should have understood the risk exposure they were accepting by applying for this program.

  31. #552640
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm, mpChops said:

    That is NOT the right of equal protection garunteed in the Constitution.

    And through your confused rhetoric, you have yet to prove that this clause even applies to this situation.

    Again, too bad.

  32. #552644
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, chapoutier said:
    Stan,

    If you swing a baseball bat at a height of 6 feet at a line of people, you may be applying your bat swinging criteria equally, but only the folks over six feet tall are gonna have a headache.

    “Your right to swing your arm stops at my nose.”

    Another idiotic argument, chap. And not what is being discussed here. Perhaps you can tell me what law or right applies to gays or starights that does not apply to the other.

  33. #552645
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:49 pm, mpChops said:

    I’ll quote chapoutier, because he states it perfectly:

    If you swing a baseball bat at a height of 6 feet at a line of people, you may be applying your bat swinging criteria equally, but only the folks over six feet tall are gonna have a headache.

  34. #552646
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Whatever taxes they paid would be minor.

    What about property taxes – those wouldn’t be minor.

    And you admit it would hurt donations, which would hurt the church. Some churches have enough members and the ability to stay afloat in such a situation.

    Many would not.

  35. #552648
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    Again dufus, the whole point is that equal application does not mean equal protection.

    I am not saying gay marriage should or should not be legal, or that equal protection clause applies here, but if you want o argue with mpChops, try to get a clue as to what he is saying.

  36. #552649
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, mpChops said:

    Stan, there really is no arguing with you simply because you do not have the foundation on which to base a informed argument.

  37. #552650
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm, RetFireman said:

    Yes, the Rights of the minority are to be protected in this country.

    HOWEVER: That DOES NOT MEAN that their wants and desires are to become the Law of the Land.

    You people seem to be confusing protecting something with making it the law and rules that everyone has to live by.

    But then, what else do you expect from people who confuse tolerance with acceptance.

  38. #552651
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, chapoutier said:

    What about property taxes – those wouldn’t be minor.

    I am really not sure what the law is with respect to churches and property taxes, it would vary greatly with the state, but I guess I am thinking more of charities, which most of the time do not own any property.

    And you admit it would hurt donations, which would hurt the church. Some churches have enough members and the ability to stay afloat in such a situation.

    Yeah…but I am not advocating pulling ANY church’s tax exempt status. Well, except the scientologists.

  39. #552652
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, mpChops said:
    Stan, there really is no arguing with you simply because you do not have the foundation on which to base a informed argument.

    You have equated being gay with being left-handed, tall, black, and several other things. Yet for all your moronic analogies, plus the one you tried to steal from Chap, you have yet to answer my question.

    The fact that this one single question strikes so much fear and hatred in your heart speaks volumes about you.

    So spare me the lectures about foundation when you have the debating skills of a toddler. Until you can show me a law that applied differently to gays, you have no argument.

  40. #552653
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    To me, homosexual attraction is disgusting. I say “ick” to that. Many people have the same attitude as I do. Maybe I was born with that reaction. That is likely. Should I stay in the closet with how I feel, or come out and risk the hatred of others? It’s a close call.

    Surely those who don’t feel as I do don’t understand or appreciate me. They don’t take how I feel into account. They mock me, make fun of me, put me down; they want to destroy me. It makes my life difficult.

  41. #552655
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Hell, you can LEARN to be left-handed.

    No, not really. Scientific research proves the brain is wired for left- or right-handedness.

    Forcibly altering that inherited trait can cause problems.

  42. #552656
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, mpChops said:

    Stan,

    What don’t you understand? Please, help me. What don’t you understand?

    It. Does. Not. Matter. How. Equally. The. Law. Is. Applied.

    Again.

    It doens’t matter how equally the law is applied.

    I try to use anologies to get you to understand that, but you fail to. I aplogize, but i can’t dumb this down any farther than Chap already has.

  43. #552658
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, chapoutier said:
    Again dufus, the whole point is that equal application does not mean equal protection.

    I am not saying gay marriage should or should not be legal, or that equal protection clause applies here, but if you want o argue with mpChops, try to get a clue as to what he is saying.

    And I never said equal application meant equal protection, moron. I stated that the law and the rights were the same for all. You may want equal outsome for everyone, but that is not what the law is about.

    And to further your idiotic analogy from before, if the people that are 6-foot tall are smalrt enought to duck or move, then they won;t get hit, now will they.

    I already stated what Chops is doing. He is introducing as many varied topics into the mix as he can so as to avoid a simple and direct question. He looks mind-numbingly stupid while doing it, too. You might want to consider that before you take sides.

  44. #552660
    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, mpChops said:

    Answer my question, Chop!

  45. #552661
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm, mpChops said:

    No, not really. Scientific research proves the brain is wired for left- or right-handedness

    That isn’t true. The scientific community has yet to reach a consensus on why some are left-handed and most are right-handed.

    That is simply not true, but feel free to prove me otherwise.

    Regardless, even if the cause was agreed upon, it wouldn’t make it a trait. Left-handedness is very much a behavior.

  46. #552663
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, mpChops said:

    Stan,

    Please ask your question once again, including its relevance to gay marriage.

  47. #552666
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm, RetFireman said:

    I think wackjobs like you drawing breath is a perversion. To each their own.

    Did everyone get this?

    Poo-butt here thinks that anyone who is against gay marriage or, to the larger extent, anything that he believes in, is an abomination and should not be alive…

    the hypocrisy of his beliefs, the several times he has expressed death towards any and everyone who does not believe the way he does, escapes him.

    This little chode is the very definition of every single thing that is wrong with Liberalism and the reason why he is 99% irrelevant.

    The only reason he is not 100% is that he and the thousands out there that are just like him, driving the Liberal Agenda are DANGEROUS. These are the very people who will be applying for Obama’s Gestapo once it is approved. Mark my words.

  48. #552667
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, mpChops said:

    Answer my question, Chops!

  49. #552672
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    I stated that the law and the rights were the same for all.

    Which is not determinative when applying an equal protection analysis.

    You may want equal outsome for everyone, but that is not what the law is about.

    I never said equal outcome (I think that is what you meant). That is not what equal protection means either.

    And to further your idiotic analogy from before, if the people that are 6-foot tall are smalrt enought to duck or move, then they won;t get hit, now will they.

    Please explain to me what the equivalent to ducking or moving is in the context of gay marriage bans.

  50. #552674
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    My local Honda dealer discriminates against Toyotas – I’m suing…

  51. #552675
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, RetFireman said:

    Two pairs of legal-age identical twins — two men, two women — go to City Hall in San Francisco and ask for a marriage license. For what reason would they be denied?

    They are of the same gender? BUZZ! That doesn’t matter now.

    It’s “frowned upon?” BUZZ! So what? So was interracial and same-sex marriage.

    They could have children that might be deformed? BUZZ! They can’t produce children without a womb or sperm of an unrelated person. It’s a non-issue.

    It’s illegal? BUZZZZZZZZZZ! It is to laugh.

    Not gonna take it on as I am with you on it, but you left one thing out. “Siblings marrying is against God’s Law. Nope…can’t invoke any religion into it as religion has been removed from the gavernment, let alone from the entire marriage argument all together.”

  52. #552676
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    When doing your Christmas cards this year, take one card and send it to this address. If we pass this on and everyone sends one card, think of how many cards these wonderful special people who have sacrificed so much would get. When you are making out your Christmas card list this year, please include the following:

    A Recovering American Soldier
    c/o Walter Reed Army Medical Center
    6900 Georgia Avenue NW
    Washington, D.C. 20307-5001

    If you approve, please pass it on.

  53. #552677
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, Lee Hazel said:

    Using whatever logical conclusions one can draw from this:

    1. The Fairness Doctrine should be a Slam-Dunk for passage. If congress doesn’t some idiotic judge(s) will.

    2. The radio and tv industries should be required to set up completely seperate broadcast facilities and programs for the gay community.

    Only seems “fair”. or “Divide and Conquer”

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  54. #552678
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, Digshot said:

    It cannot persist through reproduction, meaning that the “programming”, or “hard-wiring” DNA (as I’ve heard as one argument) cannot be passed on; which would indicate to me that the same somatic mutation has repeatedly occurred lots and lots and lots of times over the millennia; and continues to occur, lots and lots and lots of times, year after year after year after year…in individual after individual after individual after individual….

    Sounds to me like something other than evolution and natural selection is at work there….

    No, no, no. That isn’t how heredity or genetics works at all. If sexual orientation is determined genetically, it would be able to ’skip a generation’ the same way that any trait would be able to. Your parents and your children don’t necessarily have the exact same eye color as you, do they?

  55. #552685
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, CantCureStupid said:

    Update 4pm Eastern 11/20. Geez. Now, a California judge has approved a class-action lawsuit by gays against eHarmony. When it rains, it pours:

    Good job, eHarmony. This is what you get for trying to negotiate with people who want to hasten your demise.

    Incidentally, how can this class-action POS have any merit if eHarmony has already agreed to alter their business practices? Sounds like someone’s trying to catch a windfall in a bum economy.

    What a freakin joke.

  56. #552687
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm, StanW said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    Please explain to me what the equivalent to ducking or moving is in the context of gay marriage bans.

    First, my apologies to you for the typos. PIMF!

    Second, I was simply responding to your analogy about the bat. Just because a bat is swung at six feet in height does nto mean those people over six-feet tall will get hit.

    A better analogy would be the people that are sexually attracted to children. They are currently prevented from marrying the object of their desire. And spare me the CONSENT argument, as we have already shown the age of consent varies from state-to-state.

    Gays have the same rights and restrictions on marriage that we all have. Shall I list for you all the people I am prevented by law from marrying? People like Chops want to frame this argument as if rights are being denied gay people, when in fact it is about gay people both claiming a special right, and forcing the majority to accept the wants and desires of an insignificant minority.

    Equal Protection does not apply.

  57. #552690
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:22 pm, Salt said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    My local Honda dealer discriminates against Toyotas – I’m suing…

    Clearly they are anti-Prius. We should ensure that their children are taught what is CORRECT and that anyone that believes in Hondas dies out. Everyone should tolerate Toyota.

    Toyota is winning. Embrace Change. Don’t be a bigot.

  58. #552698
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Six Flags won’t let people shorter than that sign on their rides – sue, sue,sue,sue!!!! Smallot!

  59. #552702
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, California Red said:

    Haven’t read all 600 comments, but has anyone asked where the line will be drawn.

    Will pedophiles sue because eHarmony won’t hook them up with kids?

    Will beastiality practioners wan’t in on the game?

    Will gay oriented websites be forced to cater to straight folks?

  60. #552703
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm, Salt said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, California Red said:

    Haven’t read all 600 comments, but has anyone asked where the line will be drawn.

    All the questions you mentioned were discussed or asked at some point.

  61. #552710
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:37 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    mpChops said:

    In my book, overturning Prop. 8 affects the 52% of Californians who voted for the measure is denying their rights as participants in the democratic process, is it not?

    The country was based on the principal of minority rights. Essentially, the majority cannot refuse the rights of the minority.

    Fine.. then Obama should step down and acquiesce to the will of the minority.

  62. #552713
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    has anyone asked where the line will be drawn.

    I think the point of the argument is that there’s a certain segment of the population that don’t want lines.

    Lines suggest standards and morals.

    Standards and morals suggest a clear difference between right and wrong, good and evil, acceptance and revulsion, etc.

    When what you’re doing is wrong, evil and revolting, you want those lines erased.

  63. #552721
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:44 pm, Chief RZ said:

    Disgusting. NJ-Aviator, exactly.
    Now make gay places Christian friendly in the name of “diversity” and of course, recognize hererophobia.

  64. #552722
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, Digshot said:

    First, my apologies to you for the typos. PIMF!

    Second, I was simply responding to your analogy about the bat. Just because a bat is swung at six feet in height does nto mean those people over six-feet tall will get hit.

    A better analogy would be the people that are sexually attracted to children. They are currently prevented from marrying the object of their desire. And spare me the CONSENT argument, as we have already shown the age of consent varies from state-to-state.

    Gays have the same rights and restrictions on marriage that we all have. Shall I list for you all the people I am prevented by law from marrying? People like Chops want to frame this argument as if rights are being denied gay people, when in fact it is about gay people both claiming a special right, and forcing the majority to accept the wants and desires of an insignificant minority.

    Equal Protection does not apply.

    What does that prove? What we’re saying is we should change the restrictions. Gay marriage wouldn’t be a special right for gays, because you’d be allowed to gay marry, too. The exact same rights and restrictions that are in place for straight marriage would apply to gay marriage in regards to the litany of taboos whose societal acceptance you guys like to pretend is
    just around the corner.

    You’re telling people they should be happy about having a right they don’t want or need at the cost of having a right they both need and want. And for no other reason than Christian squeamishness and paranoia. That isn’t fair, and it isn’t American.

  65. #552723
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, Southpaw said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, California Red said:
    Haven’t read all 600 comments, but has anyone asked where the line will be drawn.

    Will everybody be forced to learn to read backwards so lefties can write right, I mean left, I mean… Nevermind.

    We’re oppressed, I tell ya.

  66. #552729
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    mpChops said:

    Shouldnt it be LAWFUL for a religion to practice their beliefs without fear of reprisals if the act of same sex marriage goes against their beliefs?

    I agree, it should be lawful for a religion to practice their beliefs as the practicing of that belief does not infringe on the rights of others.

    So should a church be able to marry a gay couple?

    A church can do whatever it feels it’s religious beliefs dictate, with regard to marriage. Whether the state recognizes it is another question.

    But.. the question really is… “Should a church be FORCED to marry a gay couple?”

    The answer is a resounding… NO.

  67. #552739
    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm, corkie said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    I am not saying gay marriage should or should not be legal, or that equal protection clause applies here, but if you want o argue with mpChops, try to get a clue as to what he is saying.

    Simply retyping ‘equal protection’ over and over is not a coherent argument.

    Few on this board would argue against equal protection obligations. However, they would argue a lack of equal protection violations.

    Now, mpChops, if you disagree, then please explain clearly. chapoutier’s baseball analogy is not germane.

  68. #552743
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:04 pm, granite said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, Digshot said:

    No, no, no. That isn’t how heredity or genetics works at all. If sexual orientation is determined genetically, it would be able to ’skip a generation’ the same way that any trait would be able to. Your parents and your children don’t necessarily have the exact same eye color as you, do they?

    Do you mean that you believe (of course, as far as I am aware, nobody knows) the predisposition might be an autosomal recessive trait?

    Would that indicate that, in some situations, it would have a survival advantage, the way sickle trait provides a survival advantage over normal hemoglobin in malaria-endemic areas?

    Has any such advantage been established, or even suggested or hinted at?

  69. #552746
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:06 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Wow! I guess Ted Olson did not see a Class Action Suit coming. Maybe eHarmony should have hired an experienced lawyer.

    The Courts Now Own Your Business!

  70. #552757
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:25 pm, Oh-nO said:

    Dexter, you are correct in your base assumptions, erase the lines, we don’t want morals or values, we want the judgement which is knocking at the door. How is our economic porfolios looking today. Don’t want to ask God for His mercy and direction, then He honors your request and leaves it up to us and this is what we get.
    I hope the jestors of the clownifornia subpreme court have a ounce of brain matter.

  71. #552759
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm, Digshot said:

    Do you mean that you believe (of course, as far as I am aware, nobody knows) the predisposition might be an autosomal recessive trait?

    Would that indicate that, in some situations, it would have a survival advantage, the way sickle trait provides a survival advantage over normal hemoglobin in malaria-endemic areas?

    Has any such advantage been established, or even suggested or hinted at?

    I believe what gay people say being gay is like. That’s good enough for me. It’s not like the existence or non-existence of a gay gene would undermine the point about homosexuality being an immutable characteristic. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it was there, just given the prevalence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, particularly in primates.

    As for the second part of your post, some monkey societies involve bachelor groups that practice having sex on each other, which confers a survival advantage for your genes if it means you’re better prepared for the real deal, I guess.

  72. #552761
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:32 pm, Jean said:

    These people dont stop do they?

    Whats next… what more do these gay people want.

    If I had a business I can tell you Ill drive it into the ground before I settle with the gay community.

  73. #552764
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:43 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #640 – ITs called the MAFIA.

    Dear Gays, do you mind if i post up here…

  74. #552767
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:46 pm, Salt said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:32 pm, Jean said:

    These people dont stop do they?

    Whats next… what more do these gay people want.

    If I had a business I can tell you Ill drive it into the ground before I settle with the gay community.

    For the record, I’m not sure that this (the lawsuit against eHarmony) is the position of the entire gay community. It may not even be a majority opinion.

    Some heterosexual liberals here believe they represent and understand that community and speak for it as a whole. They ignore everything that a couple of gay conservatives have posted here. They’ve also glossed over some logical arguments that other liberal posters have said regarding this lawsuit.

    Let’s not assume that everyone that is homosexual thinks like this, otherwise we fall into the same trap as those that are ranting about “Your kind”.

  75. #552769
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:50 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    It’s been a long day, and I’m late to this party!
    (Or early, depending on your point of view).

  76. #552773
    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:59 pm, CantCureStupid said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:50 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    It’s been a long day, and I’m late to this party!
    (Or early, depending on your point of view).

    Hi Red Pill.

    Check out post #164 when you get a chance. One of the libs accidentally told the truth about their intentions for our children. Frightening stuff.

    This whole thread is all the same stuff, though… we’re all bigots because we insist that words mean things and that marriage to one’s own gender isn’t a civil right.

  77. #552781
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:11 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    All they’re interested in is getting revenge. They don’t really care if eHarmony offers a service to gays…they just hate Christians and all those that don’t approve of their lifestyle.

    Nothing would satisfy them more than to put this company out of business. Really too bad they have this petty attitude.

    Tons of sites out there for gay dating. No excuse.

  78. #552783
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:18 pm, corkie said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm, Digshot said:

    It’s not like the existence or non-existence of a gay gene would undermine the point about homosexuality being an immutable characteristic. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it was there, just given the prevalence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, particularly in primates.

    Rape is much more prevalent in the animal kingdom than homosexuality. However, I wouldn’t say that the desire for an animal to rape is an immutable characteristic. In fact, the monkey example you provided doesn’t seem to describe immutable characteristics at all.

    That being said, I agree that most human homosexual desires are probably immutable characteristics.

    Also, it’s quite probable that pedophilia is a desire which is an immutable characteristic.

    In fact, most types of sexual desires are possibly immutable characteristics (for whatever reason).

    Now, where does that leave us?

  79. #552784
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:18 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Digshot Get over it sport.
    There is no biological proof gayness is hereditary or inborn. You have no constitutional case. Go back to your mommy if you want comfort, but don’t look for validation from the NORMAL folks here.

  80. #552786
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:23 pm, FamilyMan said:

    granite
    Do work in the medical field? You’ve got digshot buried with you knowledge. Keep it up.

  81. #552788
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:26 pm, Digshot said:

    Rape is much more prevalent in the animal kingdom than homosexuality. However, I wouldn’t say that the desire for an animal to rape is an immutable characteristic. In fact, the monkey example you provided doesn’t seem to describe immutable characteristics at all.

    Well then I guess it’s a good thing I wasn’t using the monkey example to describe immutable characteristics in the first place.

  82. #552789
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, ThunderHawkk said:

    I’m a photographer. I will no longer meet with gay couples who want a wedding/civil union photographer. Sorry, I’m “already booked that day.”

    You want a war? You got one.

  83. #552790
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:29 pm, Digshot said:

    granite
    Do work in the medical field? You’ve got digshot buried with you knowledge. Keep it up.

    How has he buried me, I wonder?

    Do you even know what he’s talking about, to begin with?

  84. #552791
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, Digshot said:

    I’m a photographer. I will no longer meet with gay couples who want a wedding/civil union photographer. Sorry, I’m “already booked that day.”

    You want a war? You got one.

    That’s hilarious. A war? Come on that’s a bit melodramatic. Why would they want you to take their pictures anyway? Gay marriage isn’t about you, unless you’re gay and you want to get married.

  85. #552792
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, corkie said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:26 pm, Digshot said:

    Well then I guess it’s a good thing I wasn’t using the monkey example to describe immutable characteristics in the first place.

    So, what the heck was your point?

  86. #552794
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:34 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Digshot said:
    Do you even know what he’s talking about, to begin with?

    Yes and apparently you don’t.

  87. #552797
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:37 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Digshot
    Autosomal recessive disorder means two copies of an abnormal gene must be present in order for the disease or trait to develop.

  88. #552798
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:37 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On November 20th, 2008 at 6:59 pm, CantCureStupid said:

    Check out post #164 when you get a chance. One of the libs accidentally told the truth about their intentions for our children.

    I’m not surprised by what eaglehaslanded said,
    but I am surprised that he told the truth.

    We are at war, and not just with Jihadists.

    We are a Christian nation, and every demonic force that rebels against Jesus Christ is at war against us, and has been for a very long time.

    Spiritual warfare is real.

    The “Culture war” is real, and is just a manifestation of Spiritual warfare.

    You can’t have peace when one or more enemies is actively at war against you. You must fight, submit, or die.
    Lan astaslem
    (Arabic for “I will not submit/surrender”)

    The Vast LEFT-Wing Conspiracy, which includes Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Transgender, Socialists, Communists, Jihadists, etc., have a very determined goal to remove the Biblical foundation upon which this Constitutional Republic was built. They began by taking not just prayer, but the Bible, out of public schools. We have now raised several generations of people who have absolutely zero understanding that this nation was founded as a Christian nation, upon the Bible.

    That is called “De-moral-ization”, and it is step 1 of the four step process from freedom to bondage in a Communist system. We have already passed through stage 2 (Destabilization), and we are deep in stage 3 (Crisis) and going deeper.

    We truly are on the doorstep of stage 4: Communist Normalization.

    But there is hope. I myself am someone who was raised in a liberal,
    de-moralized public school system, and I was part of the problem.

    Everything began to change when I accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I have become “re-moralized” and now I am part of the solution instead of part of the problem. It is time to “remoralize” our country. (a process also known as “revival”, and it has happened several times in the history of this nation).

    Christians have been taught to “not offend anyone”. That has to stop. The radical left has no problem offending us. We must speak the truth unapologetically. If some people are offended by that, it is their problem, not ours. We are trying to help them, whether they want the help or not.

  89. #552799
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:41 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Come on that’s a bit melodramatic. Why would they want you to take their pictures anyway?

    Good question, perhaps you should ask the lesbian “couple” who sued a photographer in NM for not taking their money and offer to take pictures of their “ceremony”. What’s next, y’all going to sue Muslim restaurant owners for not serving pork?

    Lunatics and Hypocrites.

    The New Mexico Human Rights Commission ruled on Wednesday that an evangelical Christian photographer discriminated against a lesbian couple by refusing a job to photograph the couple’s same-sex commitment ceremony. Religious rights attorneys plan to appeal.

    The commission ordered Elaine and Jon Huenins, owners of Elane Photography in Albuquerque, N.M., to pay the lesbian couple $6,600 in attorney fees.

    Surprised they didn’t throw another 60 dollars on there, would have been more appropriate representation of their aims.

  90. #552800
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:41 pm, Digshot said:

    So, what the heck was your point?

    I was making a point about how behaviors like homosexuality might actually better an individuals odds to reproduce, even though intuition tells you that it probably shouldn’t.

  91. #552802
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:43 pm, Digshot said:

    Autosomal recessive disorder means two copies of an abnormal gene must be present in order for the disease or trait to develop.

    I know you just googled that. Do you think I’m an idiot?

  92. #552803
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:44 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Do you think I’m an idiot?

    Rhetorical question.

  93. #552806
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:46 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    I can’t stay long tonight, but if this thread is still active tomorrow I may respond to some comments.

    It looks like people are waking up to what’s really going on.

    That’s a good thing. Awakening precedes revival.

  94. #552807
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Digshot said:
    Do you think I’m an idiot?

    YES

  95. #552808
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm, ThunderHawkk said:

    Dig – What alaskangrizz said….

    That’s why.

  96. #552809
    On November 20th, 2008 at 7:48 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    I leave you with this…

    Christian Nation

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