Introducing the Pelosi GTxi SS/Rt Sport Edition

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 21, 2008 09:38 AM


Pocketa-pocketa-pocketa.

The car of your future, brought to you by Iowahawk.

Tire gauge not included.

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  1. #553132
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:41 am, nlebou said:

    WOW. I just had flashbacks to my high school years.

  2. #553134
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:42 am, nlebou said:

    My brother had the same blue outfit!!

  3. #553136
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:43 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    ROFL. Shout out to Bear1909 for sending that our way yesterday. Great stuff!

  4. #553142
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:49 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Comedy gold!

    Congressional Motors (CM)… snort.

  5. #553143
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:49 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    LMAO….

    now THAT’S funny.

  6. #553145
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:50 am, max said:

    very funny… love the B. Frank dig…
    what’s not funny is how Pelosi et al. actually expect the American people to believe they will be able to tell a good business plan from a bad one. These a-hats know nothing about business, how the world works or pretty much anythingelse for that matter. Our system is broken becaseu we put people in power who have no skills other than knowing how to manipulate th emedia, etc. in order to gain and retain power…

  7. #553153
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:53 am, John Deaux said:

    I thought my hat was missing!

  8. #553155
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:54 am, ironman said:

    That’s hilarious!!!……I’ll take one in puke green with jumbo mizzenmast attachment.I’ll have to locate my white leisure suit and platform shoes before cruisin’ the strip for groovy chicks.

  9. #553160
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:57 am, wrcnossen said:

    In a battle of wits, Iowahawk comes well armed!

  10. #553161
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:57 am, old_texan said:

    Hey…some snappy wheels and some bling..
    and it’s still butt ugly! I’ll keep my Tundra thanks.

  11. #553162
    On November 21st, 2008 at 9:58 am, txvet2 said:

    Will we get a $500,000 coupon to help pay for the changeover, like we did for TV converter boxes?

  12. #553164
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am, pinkpolkadot said:

    That is way too good! I will definitely share with everyone I know!

  13. #553165
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am, right4life said:

    they used to have this commercial with some fat russian babouska modeling different lines of clothes (spring wear beach wear etc) and they were all the same gray outfit…looks like we’re going back to the future..

  14. #553167
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am, flmom said:

    All it needs is a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from the rear-view mirror and it’s a deal maker.

  15. #553168
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am, Marshall Russ said:

    Clever, but what makes it not funny is that it actually could happen. More fact than fiction I’m afraid.

  16. #553169
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:01 am, pianoman said:

    Hmm…”Kongreßlastwagen”, anyone?

    Ted wants to know if they float.

  17. #553172
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:02 am, FamilyMan said:

    Do I need to dress like those guys.. They look like they came from the Castro district in SF?

  18. #553173
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:02 am, jangar said:

    does it come with fuzzy dice?

  19. #553178
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:06 am, FamilyMan said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:02 am, jangar said:
    does it come with fuzzy dice?

    No but it comes fuzzy headed political promises.

  20. #553179
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:06 am, Hangfire said:

    The hell with all of you! I liked leisure suits.

  21. #553181
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:08 am, Lan Astaslem said:

    Awesome!!! IowaHawk nails it.

    Max (#6) is spot-on about the business plan. It’s all political posturing, and it’s too bad that some folks continue to fall for it. Expect the Big 3 to flood congress with tons of dead trees — which they won’t have time to read because it’s almost time to adjourn for the year — and the congressional crapweasels can say, “Look! They have a PLAN! Now let’s all go get on our private jets and fly home for the holidays.”

    (Can I still say “holidays?” Will the PC police come after me now?)

  22. #553182
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:08 am, jangar said:

    I still think Fred Flintstone had a better product.

  23. #553188
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:11 am, mchristian said:

    This is another masterwork from the brilliant, and possibly prescient, Iowahawk. The guy knows cars, politics and funny. And fashion.

  24. #553189
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:11 am, GraniteMan said:

    Does it come with peddles or do they cost extra? It looks great for dodging those 18 wheelers on inter states.

  25. #553192
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:12 am, ironman said:

    It looks similar to some of the little transport vehicles on Logan’s Run.

    Call them the ‘der Volkkongreßbehälterlastwagen’

  26. #553193
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:13 am, jangar said:

    Ahhh…the ULTIMATE 3rd-world car!

  27. #553195
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:14 am, letget said:

    Thanks for the laugh of the day. IowaHawk is one funny person.
    L

  28. #553199
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:17 am, jangar said:

    Does it come with traction control and rack & pinion to dodge waterbuffaloes and yaks?

  29. #553200
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:18 am, jjmurphy said:

    It looks great for dodging those 18 wheelers on inter states.

    Sorry, 18-wheelers will be outlawed. Interstates will be reserved for the political elite.

  30. #553203
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am, HeatherRadish said:

    It looks kind of like a Janus.

    And don’t worry about sales! HR 555-1234, the AmeriCar Sales and Security Act (ASS), will prohibit private citizens and non-favored corporations from purchasing a non-American branded car (even one manufactured in America–Toyota in Alabama, etc) while any dealer within 500 miles has a comparable Crapwagen in stock.

  31. #553204
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am, ajmontana said:

    That should be the mandatory car for all the Crapweasels. 8)

  32. #553206
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am, jangar said:

    Sorry, 18-wheelers will be outlawed

    Thousands will stand in line at the supermarket to bid on the last egg and box of powdered milk.

  33. #553208
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:22 am, FamilyMan said:

    The scary part is that is a real car, designed by a French man and built in Mexico and powered by compress air.
    GGEEESSS!

  34. #553214
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:23 am, bilgerat said:

    right4life, it was a Wendy’s commercial from the late 80’s and it was hysterical….

    swimwear….very nice….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWAKtYGJZSM

  35. #553215
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:24 am, HeatherRadish said:

    Sorry, 18-wheelers will be outlawed.

    This is where the revolt happens–Pelosi-Reid-Obama shut down trucking to “save the planet” and suddenly even the hardcore nutters are infuriated they can no longer find organic toilet paper, Tofurky, or “Sarah Palin is a —-” T-shirts at the co-op because they’re all produced in another region of the country.

    Hee hee.

  36. #553216
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:24 am, ironman said:

    The ‘new 18-wheeler’ would be a Pelosi GTxi SS/RT with a single axel utility trailor,flatbed or box.

  37. #553218
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am, jangar said:

    organic toilet paper

    Farfrompoopen

  38. #553225
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am, FamilyMan said:

    HeatherRadish said:organic toilet paper

    That is why you only eat with you right hand in the middle east.

  39. #553228
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:34 am, Digshot said:

    Ah yes, laughing at fuel efficiency. One of the things that made Republicans in the Bush era so annoying and destructive. You’re keeping this in the platform for 2012 then?

  40. #553230
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:34 am, jjmurphy said:

    The ‘new 18-wheeler’ would be a Pelosi GTxi SS/RT with a single axel utility trailor,flatbed or box.

    Capable of carrying up to 6 pounds of vital produce. (Unless you plan to drive uphill. THen you need to take the 6 pounds of vital goods off the flatbed, carry it up the hill, then drive the Pelosi up the hill, put the 6 pounds back on, and continue on your way.)

  41. #553234
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:38 am, kwyoung said:

    Very funny!

    MSN has a post today to remember the Yugo. I guess a Yugo would have to be classified as a limo under Pelosi’s rules since it carries more than one! Probably reserved for those “rich” people who make over $250k per year. We all know the elites-D won’t be required to drive or ride in one.

  42. #553233
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:38 am, HeatherRadish said:

    Digshot, no one is taking away your choice to drive around in a 3-HP tin can if that’s what you want. We just don’t want to do it ourselves, and you have no right to force your preference on anyone else.

  43. #553238
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:39 am, HeatherRadish said:

    up to 6 pounds of vital produce.

    Weed? Arugula? Capers?

  44. #553239
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:39 am, flmom said:

    Digshot said:

    No laughing at the idea of driving a sardine can.

  45. #553240
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:39 am, Digshot said:

    Sorry, 18-wheelers will be outlawed. Interstates will be reserved for the political elite.

    Getting rid of 18-wheelers would be great. We can move more freight more efficiently with our rail network. There would be fewer highway fatalities, our roads wouldn’t require as much maintenance, and both the economy and environment would benefit.

    Or, DRILL BABY DRILL.

  46. #553243
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:40 am, jangar said:

    I have decided that this product will not work. There is no way one can fit it with 22″ rims for urban use. To do so would eliminate holding that 90% base vote.

    Meanwhile, Digshot is hung up on mpg. Liberals are constantly miserable and angry, nary a moment for gesting and fun.

  47. #553247
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am, ironman said:

    It will be entered into the NHRA as a 4 minute car!!….NASCAR would do well to start using these also.To get 500 laps in would take nearly a week.;-)

  48. #553251
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:44 am, tre said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am, ironman said:
    It will be entered into the NHRA as a 4 minute car!!….NASCAR would do well to start using these also.To get 500 laps in would take nearly a week

    Then, I’m glad the late, great Dale Earnhardt isn’t around to see what happens to his great sport.

  49. #553253
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:45 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Looks like a Rolls Canardly.

    You know, rolls down hill, canardly make it back up again.
    *rimshot* :-)

  50. #553258
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am, jsr said:

    If we start driving the cars liberals would like to see it will be the obnoxious bicyclists cursing at us for holding up traffic.

  51. #553259
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am, malkin_fan said:

    When will Barney Frank come out with his signature zero carbon footprint vibrator?

  52. #553260
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am, docflash said:

    0% interest,free fuel for 1 year.

  53. #553269
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:50 am, ironman said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:46 am, docflash said:
    0% interest,free fuel for 1 year.

    Remember…the oil industry will be nationalized by then.Rations will be 1 pint of gas per week!

  54. #553271
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:51 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Even with increased performance we didn’t skimp on safety. With 11-point passenger racing harnesses, 15-way airbags, and mandatory hockey helmet, you’ll have the security knowing that you could survive a 45 MPH collision even if the GTxi SS/Rt were capable of that kind of illegal speed.

    I got as far as that right there before I wet myself.

  55. #553274
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:51 am, madchef said:

    It looks like a clown car. How many members of congress does it hold?

  56. #553276
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:52 am, Digshot said:

    Digshot, no one is taking away your choice to drive around in a 3-HP tin can if that’s what you want. We just don’t want to do it ourselves, and you have no right to force your preference on anyone else.

    That attitude is obsolete. Are you paying attention? The American auto industry, about as foundational as anything else to our economy, is collapsing because of that attitude. To assert that it’s some special American freedom to drive around in a big car using lots of gas no matter how it terribly it affects the economy, public health, or national security is just bone-headed. Why? How can you just nonchalantly take pride in how quickly you can burn through a limited natural resource to the great detriment of so many aspects of our society? What makes you think you’re entitled?

  57. #553282
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:57 am, Digshot said:

    Meanwhile, Digshot is hung up on mpg. Liberals are constantly miserable and angry, nary a moment for gesting and fun.

    Yeah, I am hung up on mpg. You know why? Because that’s all it would have taken to avoid the current auto industry trouble. If Bush had compelled even a modest increase in their standards close to the beginning of his presidency, the big three would be in perfect shape right now.

    You people don’t get to have fun until you start solving problems. Or at the very least, even correctly identifying problems.

  58. #553284
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am, jangar said:

    chef – all of them, if you use a shoe spoon.

  59. #553286
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am, California Red said:

    I have no doubt that Congress will give them money without major restructuring of labor contracts.

    Unions are the reason that the Democrats are in control and now it’s time to cash on on thier investment.

  60. #553292
    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:59 am, jangar said:

    Me thinks Dig already has one of these jewels…

  61. #553294
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:00 am, jjmurphy said:

    Digshot – You and I are obviously from alternate universes.

  62. #553297
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:03 am, madchef said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am, jangar said:
    chef – all of them, if you use a shoe spoon.

    Or if you toss a coin in side.

  63. #553302
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:04 am, southsideironworks said:

    I CAN HAZ WON?

  64. #553314
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:09 am, DBNinKY said:

    If Bush had compelled even a modest increase in their standards close to the beginning of his presidency, the big three would be in perfect shape right now.

    So it’s President Bush’s fault that the UAW’s heavy-handed tactics in the sixties and current inflexibility have broken the backs of the big three? OoooK. That’s good to know -

  65. #553315
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:11 am, FamilyMan said:

    Digshot said: Yeah, I am hung up on mpg. You know why? Because that’s all it would have taken to avoid the current auto industry trouble

    Listen sport. GM has many cars that get thirty miles per gallon. GM’s problem is extremely high labor cost.
    TRY TO KEEP UP
    GGEEESSSS!!!

  66. #553316
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:11 am, right4life said:

    Yeah, I am hung up on mpg. You know why? Because that’s all it would have taken to avoid the current auto industry trouble. If Bush had compelled even a modest increase in their standards close to the beginning of his presidency, the big three would be in perfect shape right now.

    another amazing display of stupidity. I can see why people like you want the government to run every aspect of their lives…

  67. #553319
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am, flmom said:

    Me thinks Dig already has one of these jewels…

    You’re probably right, I sensed a little bit of defensiveness.LOL.

  68. #553320
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am, madshark said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:38 am, kwyoung said:
    Very funny!

    MSN has a post today to remember the Yugo. I guess a Yugo would have to be classified as a limo under Pelosi’s rules since it carries more than one! Probably reserved for those “rich” people who make over $250k per year. We all know the elites-D won’t be required to drive or ride in one

    .

    Speaking of the Yugo, I found this weblink with some hilarious Yugo jokes which would also be applicable to the Pelosimobile.

    http://freeweb.deltha.hu/zastava.in.hu/jokes.htm

  69. #553321
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am, right4life said:

    What makes you think you’re entitled?

    I PAY FOR IT :roll: thats why! duhhhhh

  70. #553325
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am, ironman said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:52 am, Digshot said:

    Does that mean I can’t drive my 1974 Ford LTD 460 cu.in. with burned out mufflers and billowing blue smoke?:-((

  71. #553326
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am, Digshot said:

    So it’s President Bush’s fault that the UAW’s heavy-handed tactics in the sixties and current inflexibility have broken the backs of the big three? OoooK. That’s good to know -

    That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Toyota and Honda are what’s broken the backs of the big three, no matter how much you’d like to invent and chase around a new liberal boogeyman.

  72. #553328
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    If Bush had compelled even a modest increase in their standards close to the beginning of his presidency, the big three would be in perfect shape right now.

    What you meant to say is if the companies had renegotiated reasonable contracts with the UAW so they could be car manufacturing companies again instead of social welfare agencies, and if they designed products that gave the consumer what they demanded (high mileage? yeah, for some) then they would not be in the bind they are in now.

  73. #553329
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:15 am, FamilyMan said:

    right4life said: can see why people like you want the government to run every aspect of their lives…

    WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT Digshot DOES IN THE BEDROOM.

  74. #553330
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:16 am, FamilyMan said:

    Digshot said: NOTHING THAT IS ACCURATE.

  75. #553332
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:16 am, right4life said:

    WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT Digshot DOES IN THE BEDROOM

    lets not go there :shock: is there a retching emoticon?? :P

  76. #553335
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:17 am, pianoman said:

    Yeah, I am hung up on mpg. You know why? Because that’s all it would have taken to avoid the current auto industry trouble. If Bush had compelled even a modest increase in their standards close to the beginning of his presidency, the big three would be in perfect shape right now.

    Why don’t you ride a horse? Oh wait, that’s cruelty to animals. I’ve got it…WALK! At least until the Starfleet Corps of Engineers develops fusion power on a small, contained scale.

  77. #553341
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:18 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Toyota and Honda are what’s broken the backs of the big three, no matter how much you’d like to invent and chase around a new liberal boogeyman.

    How so? Both of those companies have (non-unionized) factories here. Are the employees there unhappy? Underpaid? Don’t they build cars that are well made, reliable, and with the features consumers want? Why can’t the Big 3 do that?

  78. #553350
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:22 am, hawkeye54 said:

    How can you just nonchalantly take pride in how quickly you can burn through a limited natural resource

    There is some scientific thought that it really may not be so limited, but only by envrironmental efforts to block discovery and production.

    You can also take your argument to China and India, whose increased consumption of petroleum negates our government’s obsession with MPG.

  79. #553353
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:22 am, ironman said:

    Better yet…why don’t the big 3 follow the examples of the foreign car companies here in the south.Get rid of the UAW,pay workers a fair wage(not massive union pay),keep the gov’ment out of them,they may actually work.

  80. #553354
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:22 am, DBNinKY said:

    “Toyota and Honda are what’s broken the backs of the big three… .”

    Only because the UAW tied the big three to contracts that did not foresee foreign competition – it’s all the UAW’s fault, no matter how lipstick you liberals put on it!

  81. #553356
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:24 am, kwyoung said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:18 am, Dexter Alarius said:
    Toyota and Honda are what’s broken the backs of the big three, no matter how much you’d like to invent and chase around a new liberal boogeyman.
    How so? Both of those companies have (non-unionized) factories here. Are the employees there unhappy? Underpaid? Don’t they build cars that are well made, reliable, and with the features consumers want? Why can’t the Big 3 do that?

    And why aren’t “domestic” cars worth anything when you pay them off?

  82. #553361
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am, flmom said:

    Toyota and Honda are what’s broken the backs of the big three, no matter how much you’d like to invent and chase around a new liberal boogeyman.

    And how did they break the backs of the Big 3? Was it, gasp, the fact that their employee costs are lower than the big 3?

  83. #553364
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:27 am, Digshot said:

    another amazing display of stupidity. I can see why people like you want the government to run every aspect of their lives…

    I want the government to issue significant and sensible mileage and safety standards because the only thing that would do is solve problems and create opportunity, two things our government is supposed to be doing. That’s not the government running ‘every aspect of my life,’ it’s a government watching out for its people, for its economy, and for itself. If you’re so dedicated to the free market that you’d rather watch the American economy collapse because some moron chief executives couldn’t see the writing on the wall than have the government issue stricter mileage standards because you perceive that to be a terrifying threat to your freedom to burn gasoline, then really, what good are you to humanity? Short-term greed is more important than long-term stability?

    Ugh. The future is a place of green, renewable, cheap energy, and inexplicably, Republicans are going to have to be dragged there. Not encouraging.

  84. #553366
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:27 am, FamilyMan said:

    I think Digshot has too many types of unions he wants to support.

  85. #553371
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:30 am, madshark said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:52 am, Digshot said:

    That attitude is obsolete. Are you paying attention? The American auto industry, about as foundational as anything else to our economy, is collapsing because of that attitude. To assert that it’s some special American freedom to drive around in a big car using lots of gas no matter how it terribly it affects the economy, public health, or national security is just bone-headed. Why? How can you just nonchalantly take pride in how quickly you can burn through a limited natural resource to the great detriment of so many aspects of our society? What makes you think you’re entitled?

    Digshot – You probably consider that all of the posters on this site drive gas guzzlers. For the record, my primary vehicle is a Volkswagen Super Beetle, and I will occasionally ride my bicycle to work. When I lived in the greater L.A. area, I took the bus to work. I like to consider myself an “active environmentalist” as opposed to an “environmental activist”.

    That being said, I am also a borderline libertarian, and even though I question the need for people to drive in some of the vehicles that they do, I don’t want to see the government dictate the kind of automobile that I or anyone else should drive.

    If the government feels it necessary to encourage the use of more fuel efficent automobiles, then I wouldn’t have any problems if they provided financial incentives for individuals to buy them.

    And the downward spiral of the U.S. automakers is not the fault of President Bush for not imposing higher fuel efficiency standards (since he never vetoed a bill during the first part of his Presidency, it appears that Congress never presented him with any such legislation), but it is the fault of the U.S. auto industry, both management and UAW, for not making a quality product that the customers wanted.

  86. #553380
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:32 am, ironman said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:27 am, Digshot said:
    “It’s a government watching out for it’s people”.

    Stalin couldn’t have said it better!

  87. #553384
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:33 am, LuxEternam said:

    Just finished cleaning the coffee spew off of my computer….let’s hear it for IowaHawk, and another dead on parody!!!

    Digshot…most Toyotas, Hondas and Nissans get virtually similar MPG as their US made counterparts.

    The problem is that the AVERAGE
    GM employee makes roughly $39/hour, plus an additional $33/hour in health benefits and pensions.

    The average very happy, non-union Toyota employee makes $25/hour, with good, but not ridiculous benefits.

    All said and done this adds $2000 to the bottom line of ever single car coming off the line of GM. So every comparable Toyota is either $2000 cheaper, or if it is comparably priced, has a $2000 value/quality advantage.

    The REASON Toyota, Honda…etc has broken the back of US automakers goes directly to the unsustainable wages extorted by the UAW.

  88. #553397
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:40 am, right4life said:

    I want the government to issue significant and sensible mileage and safety standards because the only thing that would do is solve problems and create opportunity, two things our government is supposed to be doing.

    so you want the government to dictate what kind of cars are made. and the governemnt is NOT supposed to ‘create opportunity’ governments NEVER create opportunity, only limit it. as far as ’solving problems’ when has the government ’solved’ any problem??? hmmm?? remember the war on poverty?? did it ’solve’ poverty?? :roll:

    If you’re so dedicated to the free market that you’d rather watch the American economy collapse because some moron chief executives couldn’t see the writing on the wall than have the government issue stricter mileage standards

    a large part of the problem with the automakers IS THE GOVERNMENT. sigh….government can’t pass laws and the world will buy detroit’s pieces of junk. we haven’t had captalism in a long time…this is more like fascism…and yes, LET THEM COLLAPSE.

    because you perceive that to be a terrifying threat to your freedom to burn gasoline, then really, what good are you to humanity? Short-term greed is more important than long-term stability?

    yeah I’m sure you have a final solution in mind for people like me :roll:

    Ugh. The future is a place of green, renewable, cheap energy, and inexplicably, Republicans are going to have to be dragged there. Not encouraging.

    and where is that wonderful stuff I’ve been hearing about for the LAST 30 YEARS????? it aint’ here…and its not gonna be anytime soon :roll:

  89. #553400
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:42 am, Digshot said:

    There is some scientific thought that it really may not be so limited, but only by envrironmental efforts to block discovery and production.

    That’s totally absurd, but even if it were true, the reality is that oil only forms on a timescale of millions of years and the population of the planet is growing exponentially. You shouldn’t have to be an economist to know how unsustainable this situation is.

    You can also take your argument to China and India, whose increased consumption of petroleum negates our government’s obsession with MPG.

    Who cares about China and India? Let them keep choking through their dirty industrial revolution. If we had any sort of green energy industry underway or in the works, we could be viewing those places as potential markets.

    And what’s wrong with obsessing over MPG? If the problem is fuel prices, then the most immediate thing you can do to alleviate that cost is by burning it more efficiently. Isn’t that obvious?

  90. #553407
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:46 am, right4life said:

    the reality is that oil only forms on a timescale of millions of years and the population of the planet is growing exponentially. You shouldn’t have to be an economist to know how unsustainable this situation is.

    oil is not a fossil fuel…

    The lead scientist on the study ? Giora Proskurowski of the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington in Seattle ? says the hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in the Lost City Hydrothermal Field were produced by the abiotic synthesis of hydrocarbons in the mantle of the earth.

    and we can produce oil from coal and the remains from turkey processing plants… sigh.

  91. #553413
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:48 am, FamilyMan said:

    Digshot said: long-term stability?

    I can give you names in your area of some very good mental health professionals.

  92. #553414
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:48 am, LuxEternam said:

    Digshot..

    FYI.

    2009 Toyota Camry
    MSRP: $19,145 – $25,575
    MPG: 21 City 31 Highway

    2009 Chevrolet Impala
    MSRP: $24,540 – 31,885
    MPG: 19 City 29 Highway

    Similarly outfitted and sized cars. Similar MPG. The Chevy runs about $5000 more, but the Toyota gets significantly higher ratings by more or less everyone.

    By the way, I can buy a Camry HYBRID for a starting MSRP of $26,150 that gets 33 city 34 highway.

    Chevy is overpriced due to it’s ridiculous UAW inspired overhead. Period

    They need to declare bankruptcy, reorganize, and come out more efficient or they die. And we as taxpayers get to subsidize the $25 billion dollar funeral.

  93. #553417
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:51 am, kwyoung said:

    Digshot said: Ugh. The future is a place of green, renewable, cheap energy, and inexplicably, Republicans are going to have to be dragged there. Not encouraging.

    Perhaps you would be more encouraged if the Al Gore’s and Nancy Pelosi’s of this country would lead by example.

    FYI, I’ll be trading my Honda Pilot (17mpg actual) for a 2 yr old Suburban with a Flex Fuel engine in a year or two.

  94. #553423
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:52 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    The future is a place of green, renewable, cheap energy, and inexplicably, Republicans are going to have to be dragged want the market to take us there.

  95. #553429
    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:55 am, Last Massachusetts Conservative said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am, Digshot said:
    So it’s President Bush’s fault that the UAW’s heavy-handed tactics in the sixties and current inflexibility have broken the backs of the big three? OoooK. That’s good to know -
    That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Toyota and Honda are what’s broken the backs of the big three, no matter how much you’d like to invent and chase around a new liberal boogeyman.

    Hey Digshot, have you ever been inside a union-dominated manufacturing facility. I have. The wasted labor is beyond belief. A 15-minute non-routine task like simply having a pallet moved out of the way for machine maintenance is a 4-hour job that requires multiple forms and signatures and a safety team to review and oversee the activity. Union-dominated facilities waste billions of dollars per year. I have bought Fords all my life but I am tired of half my money going to waste and union fraud.

  96. #553442
    On November 21st, 2008 at 12:01 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Hey Digshot
    I do sub work for a small energy company that has no government help. In twelve months you’ll see what free enterprise can do. To hell with your government meddling.

  97. #553448
    On November 21st, 2008 at 12:04 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On November 21st, 2008 at 10:34 am, Digshot said:
    Ah yes, laughing at fuel efficiency. One of the things that made Republicans in the Bush era so annoying and destructive. You’re keeping this in the platform for 2012 then?

    No one’s laughing at fuel efficiency, moron. You obviously don’t understand satire. (I guess it’s only funny to you if your crowd isn’t the target.)

    ECS

    PS: I commute 18 miles to work on a 100 mpg motorscooter. What kind of mileage do you get?

  98. #553452
    On November 21st, 2008 at 12:05 pm, Digshot said:

    Digshot – You probably consider that all of the posters on this site drive gas guzzlers. For the record, my primary vehicle is a Volkswagen Super Beetle, and I will occasionally ride my bicycle to work. When I lived in the greater L.A. area, I took the bus to work. I like to consider myself an “active environmentalist” as opposed to an “environmental activist”.

    That being said, I am also a borderline libertarian, and even though I question the need for people to drive in some of the vehicles that they do, I don’t want to see the government dictate the kind of automobile that I or anyone else should drive.

    If the government feels it necessary to encourage the use of more fuel efficent automobiles, then I wouldn’t have any problems if they provided financial incentives for individuals to buy them.

    Okay, slow down. I haven’t been advocating what you’re talking about, I don’t think the government should be telling you what cars you can or can’t drive. That would be a ridiculous argument if anyone was making it, but more than that, it’s indicative of all of the problems with conservative ideology these days. I propose the government compelling automakers to raise the fuel efficiency of their cars, you guys interpret that to mean I’m some Communist that wants to dictate what everyone drives. That’s ridiculous and that’s not at all what I said I wanted to happen.

    And the downward spiral of the U.S. automakers is not the fault of President Bush for not imposing higher fuel efficiency standards (since he never vetoed a bill during the first part of his Presidency, it appears that Congress never presented him with any such legislation), but it is the fault of the U.S. auto industry, both management and UAW, for not making a quality product that the customers wanted.

    A ‘quality product’ would have been something even minutely more efficient than what American car-makers have been offering for the past few decades. They cashed in their ability to survive competitively for short-term profits, and as one of the few core manufacturing industries we have left in this economy, our government had not only the right but the obligation to step in, and they abdicated. That goes for Bush, the Republican majorities until 2006, and the current Democratic majorities.

    We can either take the hurt in small doses or we can take it all at once. DRILL BABY DRILL.

  99. #553475
    On November 21st, 2008 at 12:14 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Who wants to slam Digshot first?

  100. #553490
    On November 21st, 2008 at 12:20 pm, right4life said:

    I propose the government compelling automakers to raise the fuel efficiency of their cars,

    you do realize that in order to do that, cars are made lighter, and more people die.

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