“It is not the intent of the alleged harasser, but the impact on the recipient.”
For those of you who have ever worked in a corporate environment and been subjected to mandatory sexual harrassment training:
Bill Whittle speaks truth to p.c. power.
Wait ’til you get to diversity training, Bill.
Oy!
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Does this logic also apply when political appointees in Ohio invade a private citizens privacy without due process, or does he just have to suck it up?
Sexual harrassment has been turned into a joke by over-sensitive pantywastes. It must be draining to be offended all the time.
VI-Day!
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What a disgrace. The perfect example of how the “legal class” earns it’s money.
I have to go through this every year(I work for a State Government) I didn’t know how much was wrong with me until I started getting this training. In defense of employers,they are sued for anything and everything anymore.
In the old days (mid 1950’s) before we had all the politically correct stuff sexual harassment was handled in some very direct ways by the ladies involved. Some of their approaches:
(1) Offer to call the guy’s wife and let her know about her husband’s offensive behavior–if he was married.
(2) Offer to have her boyfriend / brother / husband do some free dental work (tooth removal by Mr. Fist) on the guy if he didn’t straighten up.
(3) My favorite story–the secretary who “accidentally” elbowed a very hot cup of coffee off the corner of her desk onto the guy’s lap! And after the screaming died down offered him a handful of tissues so he could clean himself up–along with “poor guy–I’m so careless” comments. Some real trogdalytes needed a second cup before they caught on.
(4) The traditional hard slap across the mouth.
(5) Posting a sign over their desk that said, “IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO PLEASE DO IT ELSEWHERE–I HAVE WORK TO DO!”
(6) The sneaky NAILS PROPPED UP AGAINST BOTH SIDES OF THE GUY’S CAR TIRES TRICK if this could be done without being seen. Four flats at once will spoil your day.
Most bright guys realize that if a girl is interested in you she will give you an invitation. If you don’t get one stay away–no matter how provocatively she is dressed.
John Bibb
As a 52 year old “hetero” white male, I can see his frustration since he was required to sit in an elementary-level class for basic common sense. A small percentage of the (typically younger) guys in there really needed this. The reason is because some kids need to be reminded that the office isn’t a bar where there are different rules – and booze.
I have been through several rounds of sexual harrassment training while in the military and can say that the material used in those sessions were just as infantile as describe in the linked post with one exception. The early versions I went to showed scenarios from both sides with men on women and vise-vera.
Two stories about sexual harrassment training or the aftermath:
1. A few days after a first round of training in the early 90’s I was working on a piece of equipment and the problem was perplexing me. This equipment utilized a roll of paper 8 inches wide and 1000 ft long. The paper was fed between two rollers that could propel the paper out at speeds up to 120 inches/second.
The issue was that one of the rollers wasn’t quite working right and in explaining it to some coworkers to get an idea of what was going on I drew a picture on a white board of the rollers and the paper going between it.
A few minutes later our NCOIC came in and went ballistic over the picture wanting to know who drew the “filth” on the white board. We were perplexed when he called us over and pointed it out and I realized that what I drew looked remarkably like male anatomy. It took a couple of minutes to convince him of the purpose and innocence of the drawing.
2. A couple of years later at another base, a bunch of us were heading to the base theater for that year’s mandatory training. While on the way an older female coworker exclaimed, “I don’t need to go to sexual harrassment training; I already know how to do it.”
In a similar vein, a company I know had a black female employee who was late to work half the time, abusive, left early, unproductive, etc., etc. They tolerated it far longer than they would if she was white but finally terminated her for cause. She sued, claiming she was fired because she was black. Don’t know what happened with the lawsuit, but I do know that company will not hire ANY black men or women because of that experience – meaning they would be scared to fire them. (Of course, so I am not sued for writing this, my disclaimer is that not all black or minority workers are like her and there are whites just as bad.)
You don’t need to be told, but any HR person will tell you that many people do.
Did they raise you to be so self centered? Many of your co-workers will benefit from these sessions.
Talk to HR. Harassment happens in most offices, unlike electrocutions.
Same with drunk driving. The drunk driver didn’t intend to hit the pedestrian. There are lots of things you might think of saying to your co-worker that she or he doesn’t want to hear, that it is inappropriate for him or her to hear. It’s called sensitivity — maybe your parents mentioned that?
We have an atmosphere where we can bust each others chops. If I said to a woman what they can say to me it would be sexual harassment. So the double standard applies. Fortunately our training is done on video at our desk! Just click, let it run and do other work. When you have to take the “quiz” (multiple choice) at the end it’s all the same common sense answers most of us already know. For the tricky ones just pick the answer sounding most empathetic to the “victim”. I don’t waste time, can still can be productive, and I get to charge it to company overhead!
And then after the meeting, there was cake for everyone.
Sensitivity Training? I guess “Suck it up and tough it out” is out of the question.
Several years ago we had the EEOC come down on us for firing two “African American” employees for excessive absentees.
Little sneard of a government clown told me it was wrong to expect them to come to work! I did not expect them to come to work and let them go.
But when you have a good case, well documented, and are willing to take them on even the EEOC backs down.
Thank God I don’t work any longer, this bull is exactly that. Pay more attention to the nonsensical than productivity, and HR will be pleased. To hell with them all.
Sensitivity training (or any other name you give it), is the slppery slope to re-education camps.
I never attended a sensitity training session when I was employed and if it ever comes to it, I will pick up a weapon and fight rather than to submit to going to a re-ducation camp.
I once worked with a “fema-nazi” who had 2 of my co-workers sent to HR for sensitivity training because they asked her if she wanted to go to Hooters for lunch with a group of people from the department.
Soon afterwards, she quit because everyone refused to work with her nor would they talk to her.
My 18 & 21 y.o. children, who never heard me bash homosexuals, women, or racial groups while growing up, have paradoxically reacted to these indoctrination classes by doing exactly what they are instructed they must not do. Is anyone surprised that young men would want to risk being daring and break rules and use language that is vulgar and offensive and get a huge charge out of it?
I heard Bill Cosby tell the story of Adam and Eve several years ago while driving. When God tells them they must not eat from the tree of knowledge, the first question they ask is, “Where is that tree?” I laughed so hard I almost crashed!
Seriously, these harassment “instructors” must be asked what is the protocol for handling false charges, how charges are handled when there are no witnesses and the accused denies the reported behavior, and finally when the charges are inappropriate – such as being charged with sexual harassment for saying good morning. Most will respond by saying that these situations don’t occur and your response is to say, “I just read the other day of some guy getting a $5 million settlement after suing for being victimized by false charges.” While this may seem to accomplish little, it plants the seed of fear into those who might file false charges as well as establishing that the company is willfully failing to protect employees from false or bizarre charges – something one can remind them of if faced with such a situation. The truth is that our society is faced with an appalling crisis of lack of leadership, honor, and critical thinking (analysis). This leads to widespread fear, bizarre beliefs, and the failure to care for one another. We are now seeing apocalyptic predictions on a regular basis accepted as fact by millions of “educated” people, the mindless media, and politicians who then produce destructive laws and regulations. When one tries to reason with these people, they become hostile and start the ad hominem attacks. However, when one correctly predicts disaster-as when I told my wife and broker in March that we were on the brink of an unprecedented financial disaster due to corruption and mismanagement of Fannie Mae and the blocking of any investigation by the Democrats, the response is ridicule and more attacks. My next prediction is nearly unprecedented civil violence and social/government breakdown rivaled only by the Civil War. I have prepared as best I can.
I had mandatory “sexual harassment training” once. At the end of the session, it wasn’t clear what, exactly, constituted harassment, so I said: “In other words, sexual harassment is whatever the woman says it is”. I was immediately labeled as a “troublemaker”.
I’ve taught this stuff and done research on it for years…even published a piece on it in National Review! What’s remarkable to me after all this time is the incredible expansion of harassment into categories never predicted by it’s original framers.
When the EEOC promulgated it’s original regulations, it was strictly about sexual harassment, with a significant focus on quid pro quo (have sex with me or be fired) harassment. Hostile Environment harassment, was in place, but it was fairly clearly linked to harassment designed to discriminate in employment. This last bit is an important point; ALL harassment law is predicated on discrimination in employment (or education, for students) and was never intended to be about “offensiveness.”
Unfortunately, corporate America wildly over reacted and went into sexual harassment overdrive to indemnify itself, while at the same time failing to challenge frivolous hostile environment complaints. There’re clear and guiding high-level judicial rulings on the quid pro quo side, but remarkable little on the hostile environment side of things…because it’s gone largely unchallenged in the courts.
But it’s really much worse than you think; if someone held a gun to your head and said “have sex with me or I’ll kill you,” we would prosecute that person as a rapist. Several District Attorneys have also assured me that they would prosecute a rapist whose threat was “have sex with me or I’ll burn your car.” So threat against property is sufficient coercion to justify a rape claim. So why is it then that quid pro quo sexual harassment isn’t prosecuted as a form of rape? You have the necessary elements of coercion (the threat against the property interest of employment) and the act itself…yet it’s covered under “discrimination.” The reason is that it is necessary from a feminist law perspective to declare against the institution (the employer) rather than against the individual offender. And why is that? Because an institutional offense shows a deliberate and ongoing pattern of phallocratic subjugation of women…which is a much better fit with feminist thinking. Individual offenders require tougher enforcement of existing law; institutional discrimination requires broad policy changes and remediative plans for the betterment of women (think affirmative action).
The response to all of this is that to create any kind of change, men (and white men in particular) need to become extremely sensitive to the offenses against them in the workplace. I know, I know, we weren’t raised to be like that…but when in Rome. When everybody is at risk of offending, then some of these policies won’t be quite as popular. Guys can’t continue to laugh off objectifying, sexist or stereotypical remarks about them…when you’re called a typical male, report the offender!
I’m so thankful I’m no longer part of the corporate crowd. Those SH sensitivity dog and pony shows were a joke to most thinking people, men and women.
In the 90’s, while a manager at the world’s most recognized telecommunications company, one of these HR shills commended me on how I hired so many “diverse” individuals, meaning a cross mix of gender and race. In California, that’s pretty easy, though.
What was offensive, to me and my entire staff, was her insinuation that there were reasons, other than their capability, why they were hired. I had a fantastic, qualified pool of candidates to choose from, interviewing over 10 people for each position. I chose who I thought were most qualified, on their merits. In less than 5 seconds, she insulted them all.
This was my favorite fresh
manperson indoctrination at an uber liberal college in Los Angeles: I played football and I looked the part. One of the ‘womyn’ on my hall (who never shaved anywhere because that was a male imposed way to live) turned and asked me, “Why do football players all rape women?” She did not appreciate my giggling that ensued.I wonder why she was perpetually angry.
Does sexual harassment happen…You BETCHA.
In my experience when the REALLY bad cases happen (slapping someone’s butt, grabbing on to someone’s arm pulling them close and gnashing teeth as they are spiting while the whisper in someone’s ear because someone has refused advances, putting hands down someones shirt, trying to kick in a hotel room door while drunk to enter someones room who has not allowed you in, explicitly telling someone what they would do to someone and then if they didn’t like the conversation and left, they were shunned or made fun of) NOTHING IS DONE.
My theory, from experience, every single one of these things has happened in my 12 years working in corporate. Nothing was ever done when i expressed concerns because the Bad Apples doing these things made the company money. The bad apples were the untouchables. The bad apples were just outright jerks. The bad apples weren’t ALL MEN.
As far as sexual harassment policies, they don’t mean CRAP. If you have a bad apple, you have a bad apple. Get rid of him…don’t subject everyone to the training. Its ridiculous.
THIS IS A JOKE. I worked with sweetest man, old school, 78 years old. He was a little unorthodox, yes…and he use to call me “girly” and he WAS a little flirty with me (which was 100% harmless). SO WHAT. He was 78 years old, and he was the man that also gave me the most accolades, giving me the responsibilities – he also was the only man i worked for that allowed me to do my job and treated me as an equal. He was knowledgeable and shared his knowledge with me. He was a great guy.
Once a co-worker of mine over heard him calling me “girly” and decided to tell management. You should have seen the look on his face. They forced him to do sensitivity training, SH training…it was ridiculous. The man was completely harmless.
This was the only man who got in trouble, and none of the other incidents explained above where addressed and he didn’t do ANYTHING that offended me in the slightest. But, at 76, he wasn’t making as much money for the company either….hmmmmm.
Yes, so not only does the intent not HAVE to be there; the IMPACT doesn’t even have to be there for the recipient.
In California, ANYONE within earshot who is offended by comments made between two people can lodge a claim of harassment.
With all the real incidents of harassment out there, I STILL don’t believe in harassment training, because it NEVER fixes the problem with those who do it. They do it, they know they can, and they will keep doing it because no one will stop them. They will just make everyone take a silly class to make it appear that things are fair.
I’ll tell you what is fair, FIRE those who don’t have respect and dignity for others. Period.
This program is a fraud.
I have a sister-in-law that is a paralegal and she does a lot of corporate defense / personal injury cases. She has told me to my face that regarding harassment and work: “Men don’t have any rights”. It seems women tend to sue far more frequently – even using testimony like the following (in good faith, with straight face) “well, he just looked at me [wrong/weird/funny]“. I will say this – that of most of the cases that are brought – she is able to win in the vast majority. Only a rare few are successful – what does that tell you?
Re: resisting the brainwashing…, I have often thought that the process isn’t geared so much at stopping harassment as it is to ensure one additional level of control over the workforce. Persecute the non-believers or those that question this ‘grander’ wisdom, allow the submissive ones to soldier on… And what then, really is, “diversity”…?
Well done, Bill. The workplace isn’t the only re-ed camp, though. Before the priest scandal came to light in the Catholic Church, I volunteered to help out with weekly religion classes.
After the scandal, the Church decided everyone needed to learn about abuse prevention. Sorry. I didn’t do it, wouldn’t dream of doing it, and won’t waste four hours of my time on the now-required Virtus class demanded by the Church for those wishing to volunteer around anyone younger than 18. Sheesh!
LGM…I have never met anyone in HR in any company who was worth anything..kind of like high-school/college guidance counselors-I wonder why a paying job was ever made for them.
#24 – I could not agree with you more.
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The thing to do is separate the genders in the work place. We need three divisions…(1) male, (2) female, and (3) others.
Then if charges some up, there is public ridicule and social ostracism, fewer law suits and voluntary terminations.
Very good.
I am regurgitating the same post I placed on the linked blog. While I would wholly agree that such training can be an insult to one’s intelligence, for a large corporation –or even a smaller business, this training is necessary to protect the employer in case an employee crosses the line an creates a sexual harassment/diversity issue. If the employer has made sure all incoming employees are told upon hire what is and is not tolerable behavior, and periodically has refresher courses, my understanding/experience says the employer has some protection. Yes, I know, it justifies someone’s livelihood, and yes there are misunderstandings: sexual harassment is not saying to a woman’ That is a nice dress you have on today’ but at the same time, there are workplace cases in which some people have acted as- morons.
Sexual harassment is, to paraphrase a line from an old-time Baltimore sportscaster, ‘a very simple game’. If you wouldn’t say it, do it, show it, pass it along to your mother, then you have a potential sexual harassment issue.
Re: “Sexual harassment is, to paraphrase a line from an old-time Baltimore sportscaster, ‘a very simple game’. If you wouldn’t say it, do it, show it, pass it along to your mother, then you have a potential sexual harassment issue.”
Why the mother? Why not mention the father?
Met a guy the other day. He is a supervisor over 20 paramedics. He said he spends 60% of his time getting the workers to “work”. Like doing their paperwork and restocking the supplies and etc. This is a civil service union shop. Even though they were hired to do a job, the way the union rules were, he couldn’t “make” them work. Or even show up for work. 30% of his time was dealing with the harassment paperwork from the union. 10% was dedicated to keeping his own job.
And some people wonder why some things cost so much.
ex-expat –
Read my post. You can have SH training until you are blue in the face. It does nothing if you don’t fire those who are breaking the policies.
It allows more of a “cover” for the employers to continue allowing the REAL bad offenders to keep working because they’ve taken a “class”.
Then it becomes “his word against hers”, which basically means, “he who makes the most money and he who has the most clout wins”.
Its a sham. The “good guys” know better, the “bad guys” don’t care.
Hey lgm, I find your comments belittling and condescending and therefore offensive and harrassing.
Wow, that was easy….I never knew being offended took so little.
So I’m offended by homosexuals parading in bizarre dress and shouting offensive slogans at me because they think I may not support homosexual marriage. Is that harassment? Do I have recourse? Are these stupid questions?
lgm – your comments, as always, are a result of a mental disorder.
Anyone can say they were offended about ANYTHING. Read my post.
It’s nonsense and will never be able to be properly enforced.
Read my post.
On this one sexual harassment video I’ve had to watch at work, it discouraged friends of the same sex from friendly hugs at work. The video was hilarious: an uptight looking young woman grimaces as her female co-workers give each other a friendly hug. It wasn’t a lesbo grope session, just a “hey, how are yooooou” kind of a hug. It was ridiculous.
Furthermore, these classes encourage some people to claim harrassment by feeding them ideas as to what will qualify as harrassment. It also doesn’t help if some young female workers were taught in Women Studies classes or black workers were taught in Black Studies programs (this is what our higher education system is full of) that the “White Male” is the most evil bastard in the world and that he and his business should be sued at any opportunity.
What a crock!
I work around many apes who need to be informed when they are working so as to keep them from making mistakes. With the people I work around you just don’t get much of a response if you work to be polite. These folks need a verbal slap in the face to wake them up, and make your point. I’m certain that could be called harassment.
Sign me up for/as the posterchild for harassment!
This Link Take me there takes you to a video of the SNL skit called “Sexual Harassment and You” starring Pro Football QB Tom Brady,
It says everything you need to know about sexual harassment in the workplace.
To feeibebabe:
First I am not an HR specialist. I did act as local HR liaison for one of my employers. The issue you raise is not a general issue related to SH and training, but more the individual company environment and each process for adjudicating claims of SH. The employers I have worked for had a well-defined process for investigating and acting on SH.
Certainly, there may be other employers/companies, which may have less than robust polices for dealing with SH claims. If there are such, which carry out the training yet allow ‘real bad offenders’ to continue working and presumably continue to harass, I say that company is headed for a train wreck down the line.
Another thought is that an employee may cited for a SH problem, and depending on the case and company policy, may receive a formal warning at first and if the problem persists, then the employee would be fired. Just because an employee is cited for SH, given warning that the behavior is not acceptable, and the employee then ceases and desists, does not I believe, mean an employer is letting a ‘real bad employee’ thumb the nose at SH training.
Any HR people want to weigh in?
lgm, your entire comment was threatening to me, you insensitive jerk.
There’s a word for people like posters above who refuse to respect the sensibilities of others at work: a$$h*le. Sensitivity training is all about how not to be one.
What we need is backbone training for people to stop being such helpless victims. If you don’t have the social skills to deal with someone who “harasses” you, maybe you need to grow up a little bit. Life is full of the need to adjust to, and manage, other people. It’s how a “society” works.
Who wants “Big Brother” to be the referee in all social interactions? I think it’s probably mostly those who would profit from being the referee.
“There’s a word for people like posters above”…
Sounds like an awfully wide net you cast in impugning those that posted above. I take offense to that.
In order to “respect the sensibilities of others at work”… wouldn’t every person in the office/plant/etc. have to know every ’sensibility’ of every other person there? Hmmmmm….
Hello all, gee.. I could write a book on this subject and it wouldn’t be flattering.
I joined the service in 1974. I have watched this entire system of training and awareness evolve into confusion and work stopping mandatory requirements.
Initially, the service hired PHDs to come in a give each unit a one week ‘human relations’ class. Today, as many have mentioned, it is monthly mandatory online training. If you fail to take it, your name comes out on a bad person spreadsheet which is distributed throughout the organization in order to humilate the guilty parties. Should I sue?
My favorite ’sexual harrassment’ training story follows
Back in my active duty days the subject of sexual harassment was pretty high on the radar screen (and still is). We had then and still have a zero tolerance policy towards sexual harassment. I have seen more than one Air Force career ruined by legitimate charges. Of course Officers get to retire or resign their commission and enlisted are prosecuted.
Unfortunately we have a very large rate of sexual harassment charges being investigated found to be false, but for those that are legitimate I am all for going after the offender with the equal force of law. It would be great to see a couple of Senior Officer’s reduce to E-1 losing their retirement checks and thrown out with a bad conduct discharge (like that will ever happen) just like the enlisted swine.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: “Come and Take Them!”
I would recommend that lgm never leave the house as to not risk ever being offended, but lgm probably never leaves the house anyway.
Thanks Michelle.
Because I”m an outlaw deep in side, I now wish I had Turet’s Syndrome so I could scream every biased bigoted word that I know and get away with it. I need to go out and offend everyone after reading that link.
GGGGGEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Where are the trolls? I have a strong need to be offensive.
Ha! And they will be offended!
In the late 80s I was chief of a patrol boat in 5th district. The district had hired a PHD to conduct training at each major command.
I entered the room with my crew and moved to the back row where I sat among the other chiefs. The officers sat in the front row, while the enlisted filled in the middle.
The PHD was introduced by her JO handler as doctor so and so along with a laundry list of her accolades. She was late 30s, smartly dressed and quite impressive. A product of modern education and government thinking.
The class began as usual with everyone in attendance focused and alert. About 40 minutes into her second hour my mind was drifting away and I found it hard to focus on her reasoning, but I was attentive enough to pick up on this statement. “if you share an office with a female co-worker and as she bends over to reach the lowers drawers of a file cabinet, you notice and the thought enters your mind, you are sick and need counseling.”
GRRR.. What? I exploded from the back room. Are you out of your mind? That thought, that impluse, that is natural as breathing. Without that thought, we would not be here. Do you think we sent a man to the moon, developed the microwave oven, the washer and dryer for ourselves. Hell no, we did it to impress women.
I was standing in the rear of the room, all eyes in the middle of the room turned to concentrate on me. The officers were admiring the ceiling tiles, while the chief were all giving me yes, go get em, grin. The PHD stood there with her mouth hanging open, while the JO looked like he wanted the Earth to open and swallow him whole. In a much calmer voice I continued.
Without that emotion, that feeling that urge, we would not be here. There would be no civilization. We would not procreate, if we did, we would still be in caves throwing rocks at each other. While I agree, if I act on that feeling it would be wrong and I may need help. The feeling itself is as natural as breathing.
After a moment of silenece. It was time to take a long break. The class ended much sooner than expected and the two of them were recalled for a bit of re-tooling prior to visiting the rest of the district.
Sometimes it takes a chief to bring reality to the situation.
Note, the three times you need to be wary in the service. When the flag officer says ‘I’ve been thinking’, when the JO says ‘based on my experience’ and when the chief says ‘watch this’.
Have a great day all
Read at face value:
(Title of this thread)
“It is not the intent of the alleged harasser, but the impact on the recipient.”
Then, peruse the recent news article below:
“Girl who made false rape claim won’t face charges”
(Link Here)
Two points:
The first is: It seems to me (and I do not speak from a position of having no sensitive areas, but rather having what I feel are too many) that those who perceive an offense directed at them are over sensitive about that which was the subject of the perceived offense. (And some just got offended by that statement).
As adults in the workplace, our oversensitivity usually results from either:
An unhealthy obsession with, and dwelling upon the subject. Probably as a result of erroneous childhood upbringing, or unhealthy habits developed as adults.
Or:
An internal knowledge that the subject is an abhorrent and/or deviant practice. i.e. Guilt.
The second point is: Harassment implies intent, which is not the same as something blurted out or done impulsively without thinking such as what happens when that toe runs into that seemingly immovable object. Because of that, if sexual or other harassment can be proven, the boorish individual who is simply an ill-mannered, rude person should be, as stated, fired on the spot.
We all have probably been caught in both situations and know the difference.
HEY! I love ya man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a purely non biological way.
The same thing can be said about racism, “bigotry”, homophobia, and all the other labels the left uses when ever anybody says anything that offends them.
LGM,
You are an idiot.
Though that may be construed as offensive to idiots.
BTDT. Worked for large telecommunications company, ya, that one. Went to many “orientation” classes. The last one, sexual orientation, was the worst. Had several colleagues get up and walk out, when the self-professed gay facilitator told everyone that studies have shown that a full 10% of the population is same-sex oriented. He asked people how many children they had and everytime 10 were counted out, he would say that the next one was gay. Yikes! That’s when many walked out.
This falls under an even broader PC statement, one which rules in many an office throughout this country:
“PERCEPTION IS REALITY”
They should have listed that one in ‘84 right under “Ignorance is Strength”. As usual Bill Whittle hits it out of the park.
Having suffered the EO bias in the Army for so many years, why are most all the EO advisors black? A totally corrupt and broken pc program invented by the libtards of our country.
I am awaiting my invitation to Italian Politics by the Minister of Equal Opportunities. Oh wait, this thread is about not objectifying women – heh-heh – am I red-faced…
englishqueen01
When in the evolution of the English language does a word, phrase or inflection of a word become PC?
I can’t keep up. There must be a guide.
mojoe, I don’t know if they would be offended by what you said, but I’m fairly sure you just insulted them!
This is a very hot topic and one I am familiar with. My husband and I are both victims of the pc police. My husband worked for the same company for 40 years before retiring last year. He is the finest, most decent, honorable and respectful people you will ever meet. He also likes to kid around. He made a comment one day at work that one of the young liberals took offense at. My husband was called in, written up as a permanent part of his HR record, and lost his next pay raise! He was really broken up by it. I was livid. I wanted to go over there and tell them off, but of course, it would have only made things worse. I had an experience too. My last job before retiring was part time at the corporate headquarters of a restaurant chain. I had been there about 4 years, working in Marketing and filling in at the reception desk. My skills are many and I was grossly underpaid for what I did, but I enjoyed it and knew it was temporary. One day, I said something that was taken out of context and it offended someone. This company had a habit of using “unnamed sources”, and non-specific charges. I was called in and chastized. I was angry and left the office. When I calmed down, I decided what to say and went back in. I told the HR person that I was probably never going to bend over and lick the shoes of the PC police, but if they felt that someone like myself, at my age, would benefit from PC training, just let me know when and I will bring my knitting. Nothing ever came of it. That was one of the deciding factors for my retiring. I am so glad I am out of that stuff!! I am sympathetic to my two daughters who both are conservatives in a liberal corporate world and must watch their words carefully.
Thank you Michelle for another linkable site where knology and common sense thinking is RIGHT THEIR IN YOUR FACE FOR ALL TO SEE and for the OTHERS TO BE OFFENDED AND KISS MY A** along with the author’s!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
p/s I never find much in being injured to the point of being TOTALY PERMENTLY DISABLED but not having to attend any of these “TRAINING MEETINGS” again is WONDERFULL!!
I don’t want sensitivity training. I never was sensitive, I’m not sensitive now, and I never will be. I’ve got a thick skin. But I also treat others with the greatest respect, closely monitor my own actions, and strive mightily to do what I see is the right thing. That works for me.
Sensitivity training is one of the many disgusting outcomes of the liberal, politically correct world we live in. I am of the belief that liberals ruin EVERYTHING they touch!
So, if the person hurt is being totally unreasonable or has completely misunderstood what is going on, is it still harassment?
Let’s say some guy is an astronomy nut and is talking to a friend over lunch. If a third person overhears him say the word “blackhole” and becomes offended because he assumes it’s being used as a racial eptithet, is the guy still guilty of harassment? What if someone hears the word “blackmail” used with a negative tone of voice but thinks he heard “black male”, is it harassment?
What if an Arab is offended by the mere presence of a Jew in the same office? Or a Liberal by the presence of a conservative? Do they have to apologize for their existence even though they intended no offense to anyone? How far can this be taken?
If intent doesn’t matter then your freedom of speech can be completely squelched by those who feign being hurt by whatever you say.
Maybe we should claim that we have been hurt and belittled by sensitivity training and mount a class-action lawsuit… Oh, I forgot, it’s a one-way street. Only certain groups can claim to be harmed by the speech of others. It is no longer “equal” justice under the law.
“ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS”
- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10
Really Papa, that is a good idea if presented properly.
This is garbage. Government, communist/socialist re-education camps. It begins with mandatory “training” like this in which a person is guilty and can not prove his innocence\!!. Next comes the jail and slave labor camps for those who are identified as outcasts because of their religion or even complexion.
Here it comes.
We had this mess in the Air Force. I had a good time because we were more intelligent than the “teachers”— What about 25% left handers? short people? red-headed persons, Irish, etc. and the best was my definition of their perceived example of bigot: A Christian.
No need for sensitivity training. I use to work for a hospital and found that the easiest way to deal with raunchy doctors was to look at them with the “if you touch me, I’ll rip your face off look”. While others had problems, I never did.
I worked at an uber-PC left-wing wacko place for a while…left after I got tired of all the lesbians in the place…and no they weren’t cute at all
anyway, they had all these ‘cultural sensitivity’ classes….about race, sex…blahblahblah…they never dared ask me to go to any of them. I was just waiting for them to tell me I need ’sensitivity training’ since I’m in an interracial, inter-cultural marriage….
I was like you should pay *me* to give this class…its simple…follow the golden rule…class over…pay me the BIG BUCKS!!
I have been a Whittle fan for years and I am glad he started writing again after he took a break for a bit. I would encourage everyone to buy his Silent America, which is a collection of his writings. I am glad to know Michelle reads him also.
Sue, Sue, Sue, Here’s a hot one. McDonalds getting sued by a Moron that left his cell phone with nudey pic’s of his wife on it at the restaurant
and Oh no! the “pain, suffering and embarrassment” of it all.
You better give me $3 Millionnnnn dollars! then I’ll feel better.
Mc Nudes
I smell a SCAM
Hey LGM need your name and address, you may not have intended to offend me by your post but I was, so now I want to sue you.
No training, threat, lawsuit or anything else will ever keep me from admiring a beautiful, strong, intelligent Conservative woman. I am proud to be male and all that goes along with that and truly, truly love and admire females. You cannot litigate that out of me, ever. Also proud to be non-P.C. AS I don’t need Liberal rules to tell me how to think, act, or speak. If parents would teach their children how to act and behave, then these things would not have been around in the first place.
Chivalry is not dead. It is merely forced into hiding by the Boomers when they reached the 60’s.
So when are you going to sign up for the next class? Obviously the hypocrisy of this statement of yours and all the fricken things you ave posted in the past escapes that thing you have separating your ears.
Tell that to the Anti-Prop 8 demonstrators.
They have no problem harassing and offending Christians.
What a bunch of hooey! It boils down to common sense on what when and where to say anything, most people have it. I’m tired of all this whiny a$$ crud from the mamby pamby crowd that “gets their poor boo ho hoo” feelings hurt at the drop of a hat. Grow a pair and do your work, if you can’t take the heat get of of the kitchen. Thank goodnes back in the olden days they just toughed things out or nothing would have ever been built. Suck it up you bunch of panty waste sensitive lil girly men and and “por boo hoo me” people that think life is easy. It’ not easy! tough it out! Nowadays everyone is looking for an excuse to whine and complain instead of good old fashioned productivity and hard work.
Take this sensitivity carp and put it where the sun don’t shine. Libs are the worse of the lot, what a bunch of sissys! poor poor me my poor feelings, wah, wah, wah…. BLECH!
What AJ said
It’s what happens when groups are elevated to a protected status. It becomes a badge of honor or identity to them, and they start looking more carefully at showing their identity by being offended.
I’ve been forced to attend lots of this mandatory re-education over the years in the military and in my civilian career. After one class, one should think anyone behaving this way would be a d@mn fool, and be dealt with immediately, but forcing everyone to attend re-education is just ridiculous.
It used to be some white guy was usually the loutish buffoon, but the last one I attended was the usual, but the only depiction of white people was of two guys gazing into each others eyes.
What AJ said
Actually I smell a case: whoever it was who posted the photos on the web did so with some else’s property without permission, when the smart thing to have done was to return the phone to its owner.
Oh sure, Mickey D’s will probably settle but not until they investigate it, wouldn’t surprise me if it’s all a set up and the moron gets zippo.
Finger in Chili ring any bells?
As a manager, I understand the frustration of “Training Day” and it’s infantile approach. It’s a generation gap issue of being older than 45 and never, ever being treated with kid gloves from an early age through high school/college graduation.
My wife, God love her, gave each of us in the family a card the other day, with don Miguel Ruiz’ The Four Agreements.
These include:
1. Be Impeccable With Your Word
2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
3. Don’t Make Assumptions
4. Always Do Your Best
Details of each can be found here.
I’ve placed the card in an easily readable location in my office simply because the lack of honor, integrity and personal responsibility are becoming the lost art of human interaction – and not just in the workplace.
Having served in the Military and worked/working for both large publicly traded and privately held corporations, medium size privately held companies, and even a mom&pop or two I’ve run the gamut from absolutely no “sensitivity” training to HR dutifully appearing every quarter for Sensitivity Training and Safety lectures (I guess in the company’s eyes there really isn’t any difference, both are designed to try and prevent lawsuits and expenses). An interesting side note about my current employer, a large publicly traded company, is that in the almost 3 years I’ve been with them my office has never had any of these type training sessions.
What really convinced me that sensitivity training is a joke is the time HR for a large privately held corporation had one of their HR staffers hold a secessions in the remote office I worked in and the Staffer (female) and one of our sales people (male) traded sexual innuendo for the entire class ( one of other sales people (female) was chiming in with her own risqué’ comments at every opportunity that presented itself). I was tempted to tell them all to “get a room” (see this video for an explanation of why the salesman was able to say what he said to the female HR staffer: Sexual Harassment and You , I know, I already posted it once before
).
MacEamonn –
Thanks for sharing the video link.
My experiences in the subject matter roughly parallel yours. It seems, even many organized entities are ‘all over the map’ with regard to SH and related stuff.
ha! funny vid.
Actually, I smell a case too. Another case of fraud. It goes like this.
“Hey, dumpling. What we do is, I take some nude photos of you on the cell phone. We leave the phone at Micky D’s, then call the manager to make sure they found it.
Before going to pick up the phone, we go by the library and post a copy of the pics all over the internet.
We pick up the phone, then call your cousin Barry ‘the lawyer’ and sue, sue, sue.
Barry is in on the scam. He will make all the media arrangements. Now honey, this important. You have to be sober, look outraged and victumized for media.
Keep your mouth shut and we are on easy street.”
Now, did it happen that way. I don’t know. But, considering the finger thing, the coffee, the roach thing, the mouse thing, the frog thing that all have sued for in the past. Hey, its’ possible
Just call me Mr. Suspecting its’ a scam 
Have a great day all
I’m offended by thong bikinis at the beach. So can we get rid of those? Didn’t think so.
Happy, NO. lol.
Sir Knob, I’m with you, Those pics, all of it is a scam. imho of course, and maybe even the McDogburgers employee.
We had some sort of a silly sexual harassment class taught at our office. The chick that taught it was a real hot babe, and stacked too! I couldn’t keep my mind on whatever the hell she was talking about as I was going ga ga just checking her out.
Did I mention her gams? Ooooooh la la!
quick! someone throw a bucket of cold water on oldbuckaroo.
Here!
Thanks backwoods conservative. Ruined my love life for the day.
It’s natural ogle.
It’s natural to hate.
It’s natural to…..
discriminate
be jealous
want more
eat meat
want power
repulsed by gay sex
want sex
be protective of children
The government wants us to stop being human!
The highest percentage of these type of lawsuits are in the Federal Government’s own office of Civil Rights!
These people are beyond belief. Read The Bridge at Andau. You will see the same type of “tell on your neighbor for not being communist enough: