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1. #101
   On November 26th, 2008 at 10:43 am, chapoutier said:

   After all, I don’t want to see them forced to defend Obama’s third war in Iraq, when the whole thing could have been avoided by actually having experienced people make real decisions about US military policy.

   Wait. Who was your horse in the last race? And I don’t mean McCain, because hardly anyone here initially supported him.

   Was it Huckabee? Or Romney? And if so what US military experience did they bring?

2. #102
   On November 26th, 2008 at 11:13 am, James Felix said:

   What? Change? I would say putting competence above cronyism (as is the case with Gates) is pretty good change.

   So now that he is elected Obama will still be a Rorschach Test for his supporters. No matter what he does it will be interpreted as having kept his promise.

   How else can you call keeping something the same “change”?

3. #103
   On November 26th, 2008 at 11:16 am, chapoutier said:

   . No matter what he does it will be interpreted as having kept his promise.

   No.

   If he does not end torture, that is not change.

   If he does not make a major push for universal health coverage, that is not change.

   If he doesn’t make a major push for alternative energy development, that is not change.

   I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point.

   N.B. I never said you personally have to like these changes. I suspect you don’t.

4. #104
   On November 26th, 2008 at 11:39 am, corkie said:

   On November 26th, 2008 at 11:16 am, chapoutier said:

   If he does not end torture, that is not change.

   If he does not make a major push for universal health coverage, that is not change.

   If he doesn’t make a major push for alternative energy development, that is not change.

   All these issues can be easily spun. Hardly black and white.

5. #105
   On November 26th, 2008 at 11:45 am, corkie said:

   On November 26th, 2008 at 10:06 am, Red State Skeptic said:

   We like him. Always have.

   Does this go for Centcom, too? Will Obama keep him?

6. #106
   On November 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pm, IndyRich said:

   On November 26th, 2008 at 8:57 am, chapoutier said:
   What? Change? I would say putting competence above cronyism (as is the case with Gates) is pretty good change.

   So…when Bush picks Gates, it’s based on cronyism, not Gates’ competence.

   But, when Obama selects the same person, it’s “change” because Obama made his decision based on competence??

   are.you.freaking.serious?

7. #107
   On November 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   Was it Huckabee? Or Romney? And if so what US military experience did they bring?

   Hunter. Vietnam.

8. #108
   On November 26th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, sonofdy said:

   are.you.freaking.serious?

   Yes. they. are.

9. #109
   On November 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   So General “Betrayus” was just the left’s little inside joke with a man they respected?

10. #110
    On November 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, GlenW said:

    Gates is a hell of a good man, so I can hardly blame Obama for wanting to keep him on. I have to wonder how much better off we would have been had he been in that post from the get-go instead of Rumsfeld.

    Think about it this way – you have a really good man running the show now, so all the right things that he’s able to pull off will get attributed to Obama’s administration.

    It’s all a big smoke and mirror show with Obama who obviously studied Bill Clinton’s playbook extremely well.

11. #111
    On November 26th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, chapoutier said:

    So…when Bush picks Gates, it’s based on cronyism, not Gates’ competence.

    No. Bush learned his lesson eventually. Gates was a good pick then and now.

    So General “Betrayus” was just the left’s little inside joke with a man they respected?

    Where were we discussing Patreus? And that particular attack was infantile, fwiw.

    Hunter. Vietnam.

    Wait, he was in the race?

12. #112
    On November 26th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, corkie said:

    On November 26th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, chapoutier said:

    Where were we discussing Patreus?

    Yes, I brought up Petraeus in #105.

    And that particular attack was infantile, fwiw.

    So do you think Obama will keep him? If he does and the left doesn’t attack Obama, will you admit hypocrisy on their part?

13. #113
    On November 26th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    So do you think Obama will keep (Petraeus)?

    Will Gen Petraeus choose to stick around or retire? That’s the question.

14. #114
    On November 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, sonofdy said:

    Will Gen Petraeus choose to stick around or retire? That’s the question.

    ALOT of soldiers are taking a hard look at an obama pResidency and thinking twice about re-enlisting. Except right now is not a good time to be in the IRR.

15. #115
    On November 26th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, corkie said:

    On November 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, sonofdy said:

    Except right now is not a good time to be in the IRR.

    Why? What’s the risk?

16. #116
    On November 26th, 2008 at 5:21 pm, IndyRich said:

    On November 26th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, chapoutier said:
    No. Bush learned his lesson eventually. Gates was a good pick then and now.

    Chap…Here is your previous statement:

    I would say putting competence above cronyism (as is the case with Gates) is pretty good change.

    I thought that you were saying “cronyism” was the case with Gates.

    So, if Bush is the one who made the “change” from cronyism, why are you crediting Obama for that?? Obama is not “changing” anything here. I thought he was the candidate who did not represent “4 more years of Bush’s policies….”

17. #117
    On November 26th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, purplepeep said:

    IndyRich said:
    So, if Bush is the one who made the “change” from cronyism, why are you crediting Obama for that?

    Don’t know about you, IR, but I’m enjoying the cognitive dissonance of the left. Those Krazy Kos Kids don’t know what to do with themselves either:
    Back when Kos called Gates a “Shoot first crazy neocon”

18. #118
    On November 26th, 2008 at 6:47 pm, chapoutier said:

    So do you think Obama will keep him? If he does and the left doesn’t attack Obama, will you admit hypocrisy on their part?

    Yes and yes.

19. #119
    On November 26th, 2008 at 11:12 pm, love2rumba said:

    It will be fun to watch the libs twisting and squirming to justify their leader in the future.

    twist and shout!

20. #120
    On November 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, SilverCat said:

    Even a blind squirrel (BUSH) will find an acorn (GATES) every once in a while!

21. #121
    On November 27th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    On November 25th, 2008 at 8:09 pm, chapoutier said:

    Now, it looks like continuity is not such an evil thing. Obama’s keeping on Bush’s SecDef, Robert Gates.

    There’s nothing wrong with recognizing competence.

    Not really. The far subtler message here is that Repubs are far more “into” war and killing than Dems/Libs are, so DOD’s a “suitable” seat for Repubs.

    James Greenidge
    Queens New York