Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: A new blacklist published
Angry gay activists in Austin, Texas, have published their own blacklist to punish supporters of California’s Proposition 8. The anti-Prop. 8 mob in Texas is targeting entire businesses over private individual donations. The insane rage rages on:
Gay marriage activists who lost at the ballot box in California are now lashing out at businesses that supported the ban — and their anger reaches way beyond the borders of Golden State.
In Austin, a gay community Web site has published an “Austin Anti-Gay Blacklist” that encourages consumers not to spend money at companies that financially supported California’s recent Proposition 8 ballot initiative that rescinded gays’ right to marry inside the state.
…According to figures from the California Secretary of State’s Office — which requires campaign donors to list their place of residence, their employer and their occupations — more than 750 Texans donated tens of thousands of dollars on either side of the campaign. One of the biggest Texas donations was $50,000 to a Yes on 8 group that apparently came from the president of a Midland oil company.
About 115 Austinites gave about $180,000 — most in increments of $100 — to fund both sides of the campaign. About 20 of the Austin contributors supported the gay marriage ban; the rest opposed it. Computer giant Apple Inc. is listed as the biggest donor from Austin, with a $100,000 donation in opposition to the measure.
Some gay rights activists say any business that supported Proposition 8 should be boycotted.
“We strongly believe that one of the best ways for the gay community to be heard is by speaking with our wallets,” said Austin resident Warren Clark, whose warrenandderrick.com Web site published the “blacklist” of Yes on 8 donors.
“Blacklisted” by the gay rights Web site are Austin attorneys and tech companies, investment fund managers and doctors, real estate developers and even the Los Angeles Dodgers. Former Dodgers infielder and Austin resident Jeff Kent gave $15,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign.
“It’s a shame,” said Austin real estate developer Michael Knepp when a reporter told him he was on the list for his $10,000 donation to the Yes on 8 campaign.
“Everyone has a responsibility to support the issues they feel strongly about,” Knepp said. “If someone else was offended by that, I apologize, but we just feel very strongly about how (gay marriage) could affect our society – so we made a donation.”
He should not feel compelled to apologize.
No. 1 on the group’s anti-gay “blacklist” — errantly enough — is Dell Computer Inc. That’s because the biggest Austin-area donor to the Yes on 8 campaign was apparently Spencer Wheelright, a Dell marketing employee who gave $25,200 to support the gay marriage ban, according to records from the California Secretary of State’s office.
Dell had nothing to do with the donation and, in fact, the company has an internal rule prohibiting it from taking a position or making a donation regarding any state or local ballot initiatives, said company spokesman Bryant Hilton.
Dell usually gets good marks from gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender groups. It is a supporter of the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign as well as other national and local gay organizations.
“This was an employee who made a personal donation and employers are listed because of California’s reporting laws,” Hilton said. “But this doesn’t reflect the company’s position at all.”
Wheelright did not return a reporter’s e-mail seeking comment. He couldn’t be reached otherwise.
After Hilton contacted warrenandderrick.com about Dell’s inclusion on the list, the site was updated to include a statement from the company. Clark later acknowledged he “may have been a little overly tough” on the company.
“We had some reservations before putting up that list because we realize those were private donors and they may not have been speaking on behalf of the company they work for,” he said.
But they did it, anyway.
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I’m opposed to gay marriage. I’m also opposed to threats, intimidation, and extortion. Come get me.
Can you say Homo Fascist?
It’s great living here in San Fran…uh, Austin.
Isn’t there a bible story about a group of angry men demanding that the owner of a house give up two of his guests (men) so that the mob (also men)may have their way them? That’s not part of the Sodom and Gomorrah story is it? I only ask because given the outrage over Prop 8, the “ends justifies the means” attitude of many on the left and the recent assault on “Yes on 8″ folks in SF, how far away are we from groups of angry gays dragging people out of cars and houses?
I don’t put anything past anyone these days.
I say good for these activists. In a democratic, capitalist society, this is how you are supposed to react to political disappointment–voting with your wallets.
Contrast this to the reaction after the Danish cartoons, and you can see the difference (that being said, the actual violence and threats against Prop 8 supporters reported in other posts have no place in our society).
I agree with Richard…
Come get us.
I wish my name and address were on that list… I would give these nuts a kind reception the moment they step on my property.
A Tip to all: If an gay rights activist puts a finger on you or spits on you… thats considered assault. You can call the police.
In the end youll be the one laughing
The entire gay population of Texas can boycott any company they want and it won’t make a blip on their P&L statement. Personally, I think they should boycott the whole state, like they are doing to Utah. Sure would improve Austin, especially UT.
How very nice of them to publish a list of business which I now should patronize in every possible case. If nothing else, I help the individual contributing employee keep their job by making the business successful.
Wonder how many gay people work for these companies on the ‘blacklist’. If the profits go down, people get the pink slip.
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Twall,
Hell yes you can say that. If it is true why not?
Exactly what I was thinking.
Ditto.
kardinal: yes, it was the Sodom and Gomorrah story. The two “men” were angels.
I tell people all the time that Travis County Texas (Austin) could be teleported to San Fran Nan’s congressional district and no one would ever notice a thing.
In fact…that’s a helluva idea. We could clean up Texas and keep the facists in one place where they could be warm and cozy with each other…and we would know where they all are.
I don’t hear the gay marriage activists (GMA) apologizing for their actions.
I don’t hear C.A.R.E. apologizing for the actions of radical Islamists.
As to the “black-list”, I remember that there have been many events similar to this in our Country’s recent past. All it did was give fodder to the 6pm news.
What would happen if the people who are participating in the GMA movement were black-listed or harassed? Or were approached/confronted at their jobs or while shopping? Ooooh the media would be on that like stink on poo. Can you say lawsuits? And then those in the GMA would be raised onto pillars and treated like the oppressed.
And then the government weenies would give in and then ……
Funny.
To me, it’s a “White List”.
And now for your morning blast of obama worship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tuQC6S8uw
kardinal (re your #4), yes, that is part of the Sodom and Gomorrah story, just before Lot and his family are told to flee and their whole town is destroyed. The two men were angels in disguise.
I don’t think we’re that bad yet. However, if these groups are to get general sympathy, they need to be reasonable: targeting a whole company because of a couple of donors, unless those donors own the company, is wrong. The protests and hooliganism–terrorism–that are being practiced against some organizations in California need to be prosecuted immediately, though, if the rule of law is to prevail. Otherwise, who is going to protect the activist Anti-8 folks when any counter-protests get out of hand? (Not that they would, most of them have families to take care of.)
YooHoo, George Cluney. Where are you now? Hiding under the desk?
It’s ok to make a movie about the Hollywood blacklist from years back, but now you have this incredible opportunity to walk the walk.
YooHoo, come out, come out where ever you are…
I live in Austin. After I earned my M.Ed. in elementary ed, I wanted to move away to a more conservative area in Central Texas. Wouldn’t you know finding a teaching position has been much more difficult than I anticipated (I don’t speak Spanish and am not qualified for the bilingual positions. Now, I’m stuck in this liberal cesspool…
But, see, several of them wouldn’t mind a pink slip at all…
so long as it didn’t clash with their dress…
Let these people boycott. Their numbers are insignificant.
Let the soon-to-be intolerant citizenry boycott any business or industry that is pro same gender marriage or for that matter supports any queer agenda at all.
The tolerance shown these people has proven to be unappreciated. I say drive them back in the closet where they belong. This outrageous attitude and behavior is evidence of their me first, in your face, nastiness and self serving agenda. They could care less about society, our laws or common decency.
You beat me to it, txvet2!!!
I don’t have a real problem with this kind of boycott. As long as people and property aren’t assaulted or vandalized, go for it (for all the good it will do).
The intolerance of the “Gay Stazi” is only going to result in strengthening the resolve of those of us that are against gay marriage. They are rapidly over reaching the tolerance most of us have shown for this disorder.
Having watched our only son coming to terms with his sexual orientation blaming God for making him gay has been a life changing experience. At least he has learned to no longer blame God and deal with this issue in a healthy acceptance of his lifestyle. As long as he does not share his adventures we have declared we will not share ours (it really creeps him out). At least he sides with us when it comes to gay marriage considering most states allow civil unions. We only see this as a way to further break down the barriers of morality in this country as part of the lefts plan to destroy this great nation.
Unless the rule of law is enforced against these thugs by the Federal, State, or local government officials I fear someone is going to find out the hard way Texas and many States in fly over country allow law abiding citizens the right of self defense to include the use of deadly force.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!
I really have had about enough. We’ve been tolerant for far too long. They won’t be happy until our prosperous nation that has been built by the bare hands of brave God fearing folks is completely and utterly destroyed.
GORE WAR!
Where’s the blacklist of the anti-prop-8 businesses?
These folks want economic isolation, let’s give them what they ask.
This is what happens when gangrenous lesions, cancerous lumps, and open wounds are merely salved over instead of excised from the body. In this case the body of our nation.
We can see the shriveling of the once healthy and strong American immune system. We see it in America’s political system, health system, education system, the immune system of our courts (the irrational standing by and watching cancers killing off good healthy citizens that, all their lives, have been contributing to the well-being of the body. Or maybe haven’t yet even been able to begin to contribute). We see it in our weak law enforcement, bad citizenship, and probably most important, the individual’s lack of common sense and backbone which manifests itself as the selfish fear of being branded as “against” anything (witness this column).
This sickness in the body of America will continue to spread as will the cancer of Sharia and illegal immigration that has already taken root and is being openly allowed to flourish. Deep-impact surgery is a difficult decision but at times a necessary one.
The anti-Prop. 8 mob is insane. They are hurting the larger gay community by publishing those “blacklists”.
I agree. Come get me.
I want to see the list of supporters of Prop. 8 and push to support those businesses, whether or not the business officially supported the Prop. I want to support any business that’s smart enough to hire normal heterosexual people.
FWIW, I have a Dell and I have NO plans to buy an Apple product EVAH!
So he is admitting to being a knee-jerk reactionary who does not even bother to read the sources he posts? That he does not do any research and is only interested in harming people and companies without knowing the full story?
Me? Looks like my next computer is going to be a Dell.
None of these people should apologize for “offending” anyone with what they did and who they donated money to. Does anyone see anyone from their side apologizing for offending anyone? Does anyone see them apologizing period? Or EVER?
Blacklist? Hardly. If you ask me, all that is, is a list showing me the places I need to patronize in the future. The only places that I will be boycotting are those run by the thugs and their supporters. If they have anything to do with the silencing of people’s First Amendment Rights or support those that do, then I will never again have anything to do with such terrorist thugs.
Hey gay trolls
You are only 2% of the population. You want to play this game of blacklisting? Keep doing what your doing and you’ll see what boycotts are really about when you’re in the extreme minority.
REMEMBER. CONSERVATIVES ARE THE ONES WITH GUNS.
Makes me wish I made a donation. I would love to see a gay activist accost me at my house. The consequences would be, shall I say, dire.
I’m surprised nobody suggested a large number of people dropping by their website warrenandderrick.com and dropping them a (polite, of course) note pointing out that they’re only providing the vast majority of Austin citizens a list of companies to patronize. Gee, I wonder if we could shut down their server warrenandderrick.com ? Of course, I wouldn’t be the one to publicize warrenandderrick.com their web address. They (warrenandderrick.com) might think it was a hate crime.
As much as I hate giving them the site traffic, this is the only list I have found so far. However, the irony of who they are and what they are doing just completely escapes them. They call themselves, “Californians Against Hate”, yet they have an entire page with a large list instructing people to commence hatred towards any and every person and business included on said list.
I REALLY love the Germanic stylings of te letters on this page as well…again, the Brownshirt parallels never stop. Tey also give a small synopsis of the business they are boycotting…of course using only their slant on them. For one thing, they are completely dishonest concerning the Knights of Columbus. They conveniently leave out that it is a CHARITABLE SERVICE organization and NOT the “Political Arm” of the Catholic Church. But never let it be said that Liberals use facts, for those pesky things merely get in the way of their agenda.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Liberals
Oh, my gosh! It’s almost like…like…like they’re organizing a boycott of the Dixie Chicks!
Time to join forces with other Prop 8 supporters and end this menace!
Maybe you could call in these guys for backup.
Funny you should say that. Sharia is in complete agreement with you, at least on this subject. They’re your best friends when it comes to Prop 8.
You were set to boycott Dunkin Donuts over a scarf. While I’m sure we can all agree that constitutional ammendments that take away peoples’ rights are nowhere near as important as Rachel Ray’s choice of fashion accessories, you are being incredibly disingenuous by mocking people for boycotts when you do the same thing yourself.
Michelle Malkin • May 28, 2008 09:38 AM
About a scarf.
I think the gays are setting this up for the next election. If intimidated now, maybe people will think twice before donating money against gay marriage. Stupid gays–it isn’t working. There will be more donations than evah against this the next time you bring it up. And if the judges deny the proposition, recall them or vote them out.
btw: Recall Arnold. Death to the car tax.
Finally – a small, lone voice of reason.
From the overwhelming reaction of everyone else, I was beginning to think I had stumbled into a Taliban web site.
I strongly believe this is gonna be a case of “Be careful what you wish for.”
As others have written, enough is enough.
When the breaking point is reached and folks aren’t so tolerant of this hateful and violent, childish behavior it’s gonna be a wake-up call (and a surprising one at that) to these doofuses that insist on goading the majority of the populace.
Don’t say you haven’t been warned that there is a finite limit on “tolerance”…
Now go back to your whining and petulance. Wait and see what happens.
Ah, yes, Austin… otherwise known as “Berkeley on the Brazos.”
Thanks for the list of people to do business with.
Wow. What a quandry. I can be a homophobe by supporting the Islamists, or I can be an Islamophobe by supporting the homos!
If the gay marriage supporters want to boycott businesses that supported Proposition 8, so be it. However, it is foolish to smear the names of businesses because of private donations made by individual employees. Also, I hate that some of these individuals are now apologizing for their donations. If they felt strongly enough about their beliefs to donate money, they need to stick by that decision. They should not let these crazed Prop 8 opponents bully them.
Or Daily Kos.
I now love my Dell even more!
Asside: You’re kind of a violent person Six Degrees, maybe you should think of getting some help.
I mean, I dislike blacklisting and gay Nazi tactics too, but geez! Mellow out!
If you ignore them they’ll just blow away.
Wouldn’t blackmail be a more appropriate term over blacklist?
“Dude, you’re gettin’ a Dell.”
Is the term “militant gay” an oxymoron?
These “gems” of the human race are typical bullies…they can only be brave and vocal while in groups.
They can’t argue the merits, if any, of the gay lifestyle, since there are none. They instead, want to take away the rights of those who oppose that lifestyle for moral or religious reasons.
It’s ironic that these wretches bring condemnation down upon themselves, while practicing the same bigotry of which they condemn. All, while done hiding behind the skirts of the law, and robes of those “who know better” sitting on the bench.
I vote with my wallet all the time. I don’t see why these guys don’t undertand that “boycotts” cut both ways. (I have boycotts in quotes since to me that includes those quiet little personal decisions about where to spend money.)
The Prop 8 reaction is asinine. As I’ve written here before, I opposed Prop 8 (I’m gay, in an LTR, and don’t see how same-sex marriage harms an institution that’s been ravaged by straights for years).
I do understand the concerns people have about same-sex marriage and some of them are perfectly legitimate. It is up to those of us who opposed the measure to work through political (not judicial) channels to convince voters to change the law down the line.
From a practical standpoint, civil unions in CA are marriage in all but name and, IMHO, a fair compromise.
The black lists and intimidation are unacceptable and certainly don’t do our cause any good. The attacks on the Mormon church are cowardly but that’s typical for people these days – spoiled children.
sonofdy, you need to send an warning when posting crap like that…I got to the 1:15 mark and became violently ill.
Please post a warning when posting nauseating material.
There is no gay “lifestyle” anymore than there is a straight lifestyle.
I never decided to be gay anymore than you sat down one day and decided to be straight. One’s sexual orientation is morally neutral.
My partner and I have been together for eight years now and we treat each other far better than a lot of straight couples treat each other. We see to each other through thick and thin, through illness, good times and bad.
Most gays/lesbians are moral people while others are reprobates. Just as it is with heterosexuals.
Does anyone want to debate the effect on society of, say, illegitimacy? Abortion?
Well said! If more lesbians and gays had a mature attitude like this their fight for acceptance would be won by now.
I truly feel sorry for my gay and lesbian friends who have to suffer the back lash caused these activist morons who feel they are above any kind of criticism and turn every gathering into a public fetish festival.
Now, because the anti-family (gay) community has taken this step, I will NOT do business with them or their kind IN ANY FORM. Retail stores, restaurants, etc.
No money from my pocket will to into theirs.
If that’s how they want to play, we can play, too.
Robert537 – We discuss those issues quite frequently. How does that relate to the topic at hand?
Is it too late to get on the list? I would wear it as a badge of honor! But, then some judge in New Jersey would just force me to offer homosexual dating services….
I surely wish people would STOP apologizing for their donations!!
I will only apologize because I didn’t give MORE!
It’s interesting how customers have rights that company owners and employees no longer have. Not only is it ok to punish a company for the opinions or actions of their employees or owners, but remember what happens if the company tries to do the same thing to customers. If a company (even a sole-proprietor) decides that it does not want to do business with someone in a “protected category,” they get sued up the wazzoo.
really? then why is there a gay movement, and not a straight movement?? I don’t hear about ’straight’ issues, or any concern for straight people…not hate crime laws cover us oh no we’re not special enough! only gay behavior makes you special!!
yes, you’re just too wonderful for the rest of us breeders
uh why do you want to be a blog with us reprobates?? 
we could talk about how gay marriage is bad for real marriage, and how it increases illegitimacy…and how that increases crime, etc. but I’ve noticed any gay issues are all about gays…the rest of us be damned.
#61: you make the assumption that I am a card-carrying member of the “gay movement”. Other than an occasional donation to the Log Cabin Republicans, National Review, and the National Rifle Association… I’m not.
I hear about “straight issues” all the time – with each mention of “families” and “the children”. That doesn’t surprise or shock me since that covers the vast majority of the population.
As far as “hate crime” laws – opposed. Judges and juries have always had the the ability to take motive into account when trying someone for a crime – no special laws are needed.
And you’re assuming that I see “breeders” as, somehow, reprobates. I don’t think I said that. I know how I got here.
The point is that sexual orientation is morally neutral. Orientation, straight or gay, doesn’t predict whether someone is morally upright or immoral.
I tend to read and occasionally comment on conservative sites because my political philosophy is conservative and, for the most part, I find conservatives much more interesting (try reading DailyKos once or twice and you’ll see what I mean).
Hey fellows, I remember reading this story, too. And the gruesome end was that the master of the house gave up his own virgin daughter or his maidservant to the horny crowd.
I pray that we are not yet at the point of Sodom and Gomorrah, but it may, unfortunately, be only a matter of degree.
right4life:
Could you explain to me how gay marriage “is bad for real marriage” and “increases illegitimacy”?
It seems that gay marriage has not been allowed anywhere in the US, at all, until the last few years in a few places. Yet, the illegitimacy rate is high, and has been increasing for years. Likewise, has there been a spike in the illegitimacy rate in Massachusetts?
There are certainly valid arguments against allowing gay marriage–you just decided to avoid any of them and picked a shoddy one.
Last I checked, Apple isn’t based in Austin. They’re from Cupertino, CA.
I’ve posted this before..but here it is again…from Stanley Kurtz, doing research about the situation in the netherlands…
link
oh this is too funny! so Stanley Kurtz’ research is shoddy? please…perhaps you should research this topic before making shoddy statements….
then you are unusual. most gays I have encountered have a sneering contempt for straight people.
I can definately understand that!!
So lets get the entire lists and let us buy stuff from them…..a reverse blacklist if you will just to shut them up!
faced with a boycott by 2% of the population, i’m sure Apple and Dell are holding meetings in a secret underground location at this moment, hoping that a ‘rainbow’ line of Macs and PCs will put them back in the good graces of the gay community. oh, and i’m sure Warren and Derrick have sold their iPods on Ebay. how serious are you, boys?
How about the effects of the gay lifestyle on public health. It is a known fact that homos have a reduced life span due to their risky behavior and it does effect the public health in general.
Joy – my point is that gays should not be scapegoats for a big problem.
I have conceded that there are legitimate and important reasons to go slowly on the idea of _civil_ marriage for gays/lesbians (and the best argument against SSM is that we can’t know what the consequences might be).
But I don’t think that illegitimacy, divorce, and abortion rates in any of the 30(?) states that have banned SSM have declined. Indeed, two major demographic groups in California that overwhelmingly supported Prop 8 tend to exhibit severe social problems.
Don’t forget me… please add me to your list… please… please … PLEASE !!!
Robert537, I think you are correct in your statement. Illegitimacy, divorce, and abortion rates were on the rise before single-sex marriage became a national concern. Therefore, they cannot be attributed to homosexuals. They are the effect of a decline in Judeo-Christian values in American life. However, teaching these values is not the role of the government; rather, it is the role of parents and religious organizations.
I would have thought a self selecting group of mainly Michelle Malkin supporters would have been a bit more opposed to gay marriage.
The definition of a conservative is someone who values permanence. It doesn’t mean that we don’t accept change but that we do it slowly with careful consideration of the impact.
Changing the definition of marriage and family has far reaching consequnces. We have been changing the definition at an alarming pace for several generations now.
We quickly destroyed the black family by favoring single families over two parent families and what did that get us?
How many grandmas did you have to go see this holiday season? Mow many unwed nieces and daughters do you have with children? How many of them are living in poverty? Who pays for all this freedom?
Gay marriage isn’t going to make anything any better. It isn’t even going to make fundamentally disorderd people any less disordered or happy.
Tooo Funny.
Do you have an affiliate in East Texas? I’d LOVE to join!
Rit
Since informed people want to know, how about someone publishes a list that tells us who all donated AGAINST the measure so that we can boycott them if we choose? Personally I couldn’t care less if every gay and lesbian on the planet united in civil unions (or marriage if their church permits it); I’d love to see their free-wheeling lifestyles shaken up by alimony, property settlements, and (my favorite) relationship pressure to marry! They’ve had it too good for too long…hell, I think we should declare common law marriage on the lot of them so that they can share the joy and misery of marriage like the rest of us. Make sure that they get the marriage penalty on taxes too…it’ll raise revenues.
Bottom line…marriage (and not civil unions) is only possible through the church; what the law declares for people is only a secular contract and statement of standing regarding property rights.
I oppose single-sex marriage but I want to go a step further. I do not want the government involved with marriages in any way. I believe that marriage is a religious act and therefore should be performed within the bounds of religious organizations only.
#13 WaterBoyz said:
Be careful there! I don;t think you mean CARE (not an acronym, but a word: CARE) which is an American humanitarian charity which has been honorably serving poor people since 1945!!! You’ve heard of “Care packages?” Our military receives these regularly!
The one that has evil ties to terrorism and Islamic Fascism is C.A.I.R. (Council on American Islamic Relations)
HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!! Please be very careful how you say what you’re saying!
Ack!
don;t = don’t
You know why they’re targeting business, right? To make it corporate policy that people cannot give to controversial causes (read: conservative causes).
The anti Prop. 8 folks are trying to put us all out of work.
Personally, I do oppose it for several reasons, the foremost being that I simply see no need to change the definition of an institution that has been around for thousands of years simply because a cadre of vociferous leftists says we should.
My view of homosexuality is that it is a mental disorder, and one with rather vile manifestations at that. I oppose laws against homosexuality between consenting adults because not every repulsive thing should be outlawed. My preferred result would be a return to the time when homosexuals – I refuse to accede to their hijacking of the perfectly good word “gay” to describe their sexual practices – lived “in the closet.”
I say this only to establish my anti-homosexuality bona fides before I say this: same-sex marriage is NOT the most imporant issue in all of this. In my opinion, as conseratives, we should be much more alarmed by the implications to our system of governance of the manner in which California resolves the issue. Consider the historical sequence of events:
- The citizens of California were perfectly content with a law that had been on the books officially since 1977, and in actual practice for over 100 years defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
- In 2000, with the notion of same-sex marriage gaining traction, the citizens of California voted 61% to 39% in favor of Proposition 22, defining Marriage in the traditional fashion. This had already been the law, but in accordance with the prescribed constitutional process, Californians chose to reemphasize their desire that marriage be so defined.
- An attempt was made in the legislature to overrule Prop. 22, but the states’s governor ultimately vetoed the legislation as is his prerogative under California’s constitution.
- In May of 2008, in a 4-3 vote, the California Supreme Court took it upon itself to overturn the will of the citizens of California as expressed on multiple occasions. Four judges, based on nothing but their personal beliefs, concluded that throughout its entire history, California had violated “basic civil rights” by defining marriage as nearly every civilization had defined it for thousands of years.
Poof. Just that easy. Four judges didn’t like it….so it was unconstitutional. The people be damned. Precedent be damned. Reason be damned. It was “unconstitutional” because they WANTED it to be unconstitutional!
- “Fine,” said the citizens of the state. If that’s somehow the case, we’ll undertake the process laid out in California law to AMEND the consitution. Which they did, and despite incredibly noisy, well-funded opposition, they prevailed. The constitutional amendment passed with about 53% of the vote.
Now, the California Supreme Court is going to hear challenges to Proposition 8. They are apparently going to consider whether Californians have the right to amend their constitution in a way of which they disapprove.
THIS is what should scare every conservative to his core. If judges, based on nothing but personal whim, can declare CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS unconstitutional? The consequences are unfathomable.
Separation of powers means nothing. Representative government means nothing. The constitution ITSELF means nothing more than what 4 judges think it SHOULD mean.
Our entire system is constructed precisely so as to avoid such despotism. And make no mistake – despotism is exactly what such a circumstance would be. THIS is what we should be most concerned with: not whether a small, loud group of deviants secure a sanction we find objectionable. That battle we can fight and win.
The bigger battle, though, we are dangerously close to losing. And it would render all the others almost moot.
Rit
AGAIN.
Same sex coupling is a desire that has not been proven to be genetically linked. Because it can’t be proven as an inborn aberration, it is therefor an individual choice. Because it is a choice there are no special rights needed and can not be considered a Constitutional issue.
Homosexuality is practiced by 2% of the population. Gays should stop looking for approval by the 98% of us that are NORMAL.
Very well said Rit
We need to be vigilant to make sure no one is fired by his or her company for making a personal campaign contribution. If such were to occur, I would hope that a lawsuit could be brought against the publishers of the blacklist as well as the company. The Mormon witch hunt continues with a protest in Dallas today that participants claimed was not against the church, despite signs that said Mormons had taken away their “rights.” Since Texas doesn’t recognize gay marriage, two of the gay protesters said they had recently been married in California, and they were now concerned that their rights had been violated. Something’s been violated, but its not their rights.
ritwingr wrote:
Amen, bro.
Many continue to suggest that all things political are cyclical, the circumference is much longer when it comes to come to judicial precedent, because you can’t just bounce Federal judges for getting out of line.
Here’s what Barack Obama promised Planned Parenthood back in July 2007:
Couple this with what B-HO said in the nineties about what a shame it was neither Congress or the SCOTUS could find a Consitutional basis for wealth redistribution, and you know why I don’t buy for a second the notion that he will
governrule as a centrist for the sake of unity.FamilyMan, I am sure you are like me in wanting to throw something heavy and loud at the television every time you hear the words “Pregnant Man.”
I don’t have kids, so I don’t have to explain to any that there is no such thing, and they shouldn’t believe it just because someone on the news said otherwise. I don’t envy those of you who have to deprogram this nonsense out of your children’s brains.
BTW — when I found out in the nineties that Levi Strauss & Co. was the main corporate sponsor of GLSEN (Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network) — the gay-promoting teachers’ organization that pioneered the “Gay Straight Alliances” in high schools and conceived the “Day of Silence” — I stopped wearing my 501s, and vowed never to wear Levi’s jeans or even Dockers pants, shirts, socks, or shoes, which are manufactured by the same company.
My posterior will NOT be a billboard for normalizing moral equivalency.
Thanks to all these rabid degenerates for posting the names of the companies I can now feel good about patronizing. Merry Christmas you morons!
Wake up!!! They don’t have to look for approval, they already have it. They did it by GIVING UP THEIR VERSION OF MARRIAGE.
DUH.
There’s also their habit of NOT having disgusting fetish parades in the name of ‘pride’ and not participating in rape clubs like NAMBLA.
The homosexual community would nearly immediately gain approval by just shutting the frell up and acting like grown-ups. They already have civil unions, why do they have to partake in a religious sacrament they don’t qualify for?
What’s next? Demanding ordination for all gays? Kabala?
And I want to know why they’re not protesting the voting blocks that voted against them – why aren’t the gays protesting Blacks, Hispanics, and Obama himself?
HMMMMMM
No guts?
grevillea, you can do all the crossing-out you like. It won’t change the fact that if you believe the Bible, it says homosexuality is unnatural. If, OTOH, you tend to believe more in Darwin’s On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection … it’s still unnatural.
grevillea
Freedom to have no conscience, is an attribute of trolls. The awareness of a moral or ethical standard to one’s conduct together with the urge to prefer wrong over right Is endemic in the homosexual community.
This is a good thing. Any suggesting on making it even shorter? I have a few but they are illegal in most states and disapproved of in others. Send them back to the closet.
I don’t care how you feel about gay marriage or gays in general. This is disgusting and you should be banned for this kind of crap.
YOU are a sicko, for at best wishing for the death of homosexuals, and at worst, implying you wished to facilitate it.
If this is what you believe you are truly a filthy, poor excuse for a human.
My bad.
I went with the phonetic sounding not realizing the spelling. Usually, my ears and handwriting are the two things that get disconnected.
You must have been the first person to actually READ my post. I won’t be making this mistake again. Thanks…..