Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: A new blacklist published
Angry gay activists in Austin, Texas, have published their own blacklist to punish supporters of California’s Proposition 8. The anti-Prop. 8 mob in Texas is targeting entire businesses over private individual donations. The insane rage rages on:
Gay marriage activists who lost at the ballot box in California are now lashing out at businesses that supported the ban — and their anger reaches way beyond the borders of Golden State.
In Austin, a gay community Web site has published an “Austin Anti-Gay Blacklist” that encourages consumers not to spend money at companies that financially supported California’s recent Proposition 8 ballot initiative that rescinded gays’ right to marry inside the state.
…According to figures from the California Secretary of State’s Office — which requires campaign donors to list their place of residence, their employer and their occupations — more than 750 Texans donated tens of thousands of dollars on either side of the campaign. One of the biggest Texas donations was $50,000 to a Yes on 8 group that apparently came from the president of a Midland oil company.
About 115 Austinites gave about $180,000 — most in increments of $100 — to fund both sides of the campaign. About 20 of the Austin contributors supported the gay marriage ban; the rest opposed it. Computer giant Apple Inc. is listed as the biggest donor from Austin, with a $100,000 donation in opposition to the measure.
Some gay rights activists say any business that supported Proposition 8 should be boycotted.
“We strongly believe that one of the best ways for the gay community to be heard is by speaking with our wallets,” said Austin resident Warren Clark, whose warrenandderrick.com Web site published the “blacklist” of Yes on 8 donors.
“Blacklisted” by the gay rights Web site are Austin attorneys and tech companies, investment fund managers and doctors, real estate developers and even the Los Angeles Dodgers. Former Dodgers infielder and Austin resident Jeff Kent gave $15,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign.
“It’s a shame,” said Austin real estate developer Michael Knepp when a reporter told him he was on the list for his $10,000 donation to the Yes on 8 campaign.
“Everyone has a responsibility to support the issues they feel strongly about,” Knepp said. “If someone else was offended by that, I apologize, but we just feel very strongly about how (gay marriage) could affect our society – so we made a donation.”
He should not feel compelled to apologize.
No. 1 on the group’s anti-gay “blacklist” — errantly enough — is Dell Computer Inc. That’s because the biggest Austin-area donor to the Yes on 8 campaign was apparently Spencer Wheelright, a Dell marketing employee who gave $25,200 to support the gay marriage ban, according to records from the California Secretary of State’s office.
Dell had nothing to do with the donation and, in fact, the company has an internal rule prohibiting it from taking a position or making a donation regarding any state or local ballot initiatives, said company spokesman Bryant Hilton.
Dell usually gets good marks from gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender groups. It is a supporter of the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign as well as other national and local gay organizations.
“This was an employee who made a personal donation and employers are listed because of California’s reporting laws,” Hilton said. “But this doesn’t reflect the company’s position at all.”
Wheelright did not return a reporter’s e-mail seeking comment. He couldn’t be reached otherwise.
After Hilton contacted warrenandderrick.com about Dell’s inclusion on the list, the site was updated to include a statement from the company. Clark later acknowledged he “may have been a little overly tough” on the company.
“We had some reservations before putting up that list because we realize those were private donors and they may not have been speaking on behalf of the company they work for,” he said.
But they did it, anyway.
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Lighten up, Francis.
Rit
Bullsh**.
That was an indefensibly hateful and putrid thing arizona said.
He should apologize or be banned.
Gays blacklisting. Go for it. Maybe the rest of the world should blacklist the gays as well.
I believe you made a wrong turn. You were obviously looking for the Andrew Sullivan blog and wandered onto this site by mistake.
Let me give you directions to get you back where you were going:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
Come back again when you can’t stay so long.
Rit
My my… It looks like chapo got a taste of his own medicine for once. You got punked.
Seriously… The gays have been the violent ones in their protests against old ladies and churches. They should pick on some tought people. It would be so much more cavalier… and probably a lot more entertaining for the television.
rit,
I have no idea who you are, but do me a favor and just shut up. I have been here longer than you, fella.
And chep, are you really trying to defend what he said? And are seriously trying to justify wishing and/or encouraging DEATH on an enitre group of people to a few out of hand protesters, who as far as I know have not harmed one physical hair on one physical person’s head?
Do you really want to do that? Becauce that makes you as contemptible as arizona.
I see opportunity for someone to use the list to support those now bullied by the No On 8 thugs.
If I were looking for a home in Austin I know what real estate agent I would use.
Male this boycott backfire!
Hey, Gay Guys with An Agenda and the rest of the GLBT world. You start apologizing for the entire Folsom Street Fair, the terribly offensive ads you paid to put up and all of the costs you added to your headquarters town budget for this absolutely ridiculous gathering which offended every single person of decent moral character that was exposed to it, then maybe, just maybe I’ll start thinking about apologizing if and when I exercise my Constitutional and wholly legal right to support or oppose any candidate of my choice and any ballot proposition of my choice.
Until then? STFD and STFU!
Chapo,
Go play in the kiddie sandbox. But be careful because the cats will surely mistake you for a turd and bury you.
Sincerely,
Che[
Ohhh….burn. You got me good there, chep.
Wow. I’ll just tuck my tail between my legs and go lick my wounds. Thank god there are quick wits like you to defend bigoted psychos like arizona.
Seems as though too many have lost the concept of sin. How sad, but that’s the reality of the world…and the root of all problems.
Defend? I think you have some serious reading comprehension issues. If you have obtained a higher education I suggest that you demand your money back immediately. You were robbed.
And while you are at it. Tone down on the whiney tude. You sound like you are having your monthly moments.
GEEES! The troll is about to explode.
chep,
If you were not trying to justify then I look forward to your condemnation.
And as for your last “thought” I will not apologize for nor tone down calling out clearly hateful talk.
it is amazing, familyman, the amount of hate you must have to excuse and make light of calling for the death of gays.
Oh wait, not amazing. Sad. Yup, that’s it. Sad.
It doesn’t really matter who I am, or who you are. I doubt you know who very many people here are, so I’m not sure what your point is on that score.
And I don’t care if you’ve been here since Christ was a corporal, in this thread alone you’ve demonstrated three qualities that don’t really lend themselves to extended dialog with readers of Malkin’s site:
1) You have delicate sensitivities;
2) You expect others to share them;
3) You run around demanding apologies from those of us who won’t toe your PC line and that we be BANNED if we refuse your offer of reeducation;
Honestly, there are plenty of sites where your exquisite sensibilities won’t be offended. I wouldn’t really expect the blog of a woman who wrote a book entitled “In Defense of Internment” to be one of them, though.
Rit
Hey Chapo,
I don’t have to condemn anything. The gays don’t usually procreate so they remove themselves from the gene pool just fine. No help is needed.
I think you should consider toning down on your false accusations. Every time I come over here you’re acting like Mr. Smarty pants and trying to outwit people. The way I see it someone touched a nerve and you’re jumping off the walls. Maybe you are gay. Who knows.
But back to the subject. I stand by my suggestion….:
Let the gays blacklist. I’m sure their 2% of the population will make zero impact. They should also start bullying around adult males who are healthy between the ages of 18 and 35. I want to see these queers with their signs that say they want to bash back try their little stunts on some heteros who have the ability to defend themselves. Otherwise they are completely cowardice scum worthy of all the scorn which they have attracted.
Now let’s hear how gays bullying little old ladies and defacing churches are somehow justified? I mean come on if that is justified then certainly anyone else can deface their cars and bully them around right? Tit for tat wouldn’t you say?
Cover your screens. The troll is reaching maximum expansion.
I’m not sure what Michelle’s arguing against… boycotts? Or simply misdirection? A boycott of Dell is unlikely to amount to much, but the concept – that organizations and businesses ought to be held accountable – seems like a principle many conservatives (boycotting Disney for Gay Days, anyone?) cling to as well. I agree, to the extent that some outrage has been misplaced, the response of some gays to the Prop 8 has been extreme, somewhat. But Michelle’s latest argument for a blanket notion “crazed gay rage” has been an overstatement from the get-go, and her argument for it gets more tenuous with each example. Not least because, given the tedious, predictable nature of the comments that have flowed back and forth, it seems clear that there’s plenty of ugliness coming from both (or all) sides. Gay marriage is, clearly, controversial; that gay people see the passage of Prop 8 as a setback, and an upsetting one, seems unsurprising, at least. That they want to respond in more active ways, seems also rather obvious, not “crazed” or “deranged.” Unfocused, perhaps. I suspect that, over time, that sense of focus will come to pass… and that, it seems to me, should be more worrying to conservatives than some sort of scattershot approach to boycotts.
There is nothing delicate nor sensitive about being appalled by someone who calls for the death of gays.
There is nothing PC about thinking that such things are beyond the pale.
You clearly want to wallow in the gutter with Arizona.
Not gay chep. Just a decent human. Apparently in short order here.
Hey Chapo,
I thought you would be able to come up with a much more clever response than trying to respond about something which never took place. I’m left completely unimpressed with your efforts. I guess expectations should be lower for minds that want to justify the actions of gays who clearly invade other peoples’ property and deface it as well as physically attack and intimidate them in the name of a neurological disbehaviour. I mean they are like the kids who need the short bus until they start becoming violent that is.
I think if they wanted to attract some legitimacy to their movement they should grow a set of balls (metaphorically speaking since some of them might have been castrated) and rise to the ocassion more publicly. They shouldn’t have to represent themselves as freaks. The problem is they usually do. Wearing chaps, parading naked, showing off their dildos and generally creating a nuisance with their mere presence. We don’t have to see all that in order to recognize what is a gay and give them respect. They have a lot of learning… Or mayb not because in California Democracy is dead and the courts overrule the law all the time.
Anyway, the only gutter I know about is the one where the gays sit and the ones who make false accusations. You’re really falling into the latter group and your repetitive insistence is boring.
Chacha
NOT A GOOD SIGN OF A MENTALLY STABLE GROUP .
Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners.Bell and Weinberg
I agree. In fact, I wouldn’t dignify the place with your continued presence if I were you.
Make a statement. Go where the people are more sensitive.
YES YOU CAN!!
Rit
Or, you could put the Bell and Weinberg study (decades old, and with methodological issues) into context:
http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/gayhealth.html#appa
sorry I am not “clever” enough chep. I guess I am too busy being appalled by arizona’s call for mass murder and your casual agreement with it.
Homosexual relationships are very unstable
Scandinavia
In ‘homosexual-friendly’ Scandinavian countries, where same-sex ‘civil union’ type relationships have existed for 10 years, male-male union breakdown (‘divorce’) is 50% higher than heterosexual unions. For female-female coupling the breakdown figure is 170% higher.
Source: Deathblow to Marriage, Kurtz, National Review.
I casually agree that Chap is gay.
Ordinarily I’d say that was a pretty silly comment, since “being appalled” isn’t really an activity that a person would be “busy” with.
In your case, though, I’ll bet being appalled does actually consume a lot of your time. Keep at it, though.
Practice makes perfect.
Rit
Chapo is so appalled all the time that there is no room for logic and thought process.
HMMM!
Mass murder like abortion?
FamilyMan,
That is the only Mass Murder I know of which happens in the US and it is completely unacceptable. Anyone who defends it and is silently accepting it as a practice is accepting mass murder. THAT is a real here and now problem. Maybe Chapo can wrap his jelly brain around that one for us and explain how this MASS MURDER of ABORTION is completely logical, morally acceptable and should be promoted.
No gay gene found.
No statistical repeatable validation.
No genome correlation’s.
No peer review acceptance.
Forty years of research and nothing.
Homosexuality must be a mental malfunction or a choice. Neither would qualify for special rights under the Constitution.
No, I would not call for mass murder but I do enjoy mocking them, and you, with their hyperbole. They demand respect and dignity while acting out in these outrageous costumes, parades and calling for the death of anyone opposing them.
The ONLY group consistently calling for violence is indeed the Gay Pride activist. They disrupt church services, violate Holy Communion, disrupted Reverend Falwell’s funeral service and DO called for the murder of people calling them on it.
So I have no problem mocking them and you. Just a decent human? Rather selective about that? Back in the closet and please stay there.
My apologies, Arizona.
You wouldn’t call to their mass murder. You just wouldn’t mind too much if it happens. Gotcha.
Thank you! Homosexuals of Austin, TX!
I try to keep up-to-date on the shinanagans of my home. W/o the homosexuals creating this list, I’d have to do the research myself! Now I know whom to patronize!
BTW:
But of course:
Brain damaged computers for bra… Well, their actions say it better than I ever could.
But abt Macs themselves: “The Computer for the Technophobic”. It also fits well those ana1-compulsives who need to be tightly controlled to feel safe. Apple’s closed-arch. model is an exampl of “1 source, 1 color”-ism that no other industry has been able to survive. I wonder if that sort of closed-minded business model, making common-cause w/the closed-minded sexual model (stay-with-what-you-know, avoid that yucky opposite-sex stuff [grin]) is indicative of a deeper psychological POV. Lets explore:
The only thing that keeps both “movements” alive is: a slick ad campaign, freebies to schools, mis-information, and that they target the “undeveloped & inmature” market segment. About that last point: Apple targets children, prior to their gaining tech-savy[sp], the homosexual movement does the same on a sexual front. Both state “ease-of-use” & try to project normalcy, using group-think, joiner-ism, & the herd mentality to grow its share. Both unfairly stereotype opponents. Both rely on peer-pressure, immaturity and youthful ignorance to increase share.
Everyone 1st learns abt sex on themselves, but homosexuals never branch out, never make/take the leap into the completely unfamiliar, the unknown. Almost any Mac user will tell you that PCs are “just too complicated”. Opposite sex? Too messy & complex!
I guess you could characterize both groups as a type of xenophobe.
[!-GRIN-!]
…can you tell I’m tired of 2% forcing 98% to bend over?
…and constantly (metaphorically) forcing us into their bedrooms?
No, you really do not. I am sure you think you do but the Liberal-Elitist mindset makes that near impossible. There is really not too much to talk about between Liberal and Conservative–so I will settle for mockery and sarcasm. But as a “Little Brown Brother Who Has Done Well-aka a Race Traitor” I have been mocked and ridiculed all my life-mostly by Liberal-Progressives-the patronizing fools. As a little boy it did hurt. As I got older and then old I learned to embrace it as a Badge of Honor dear chapoutier.
KMA, a mocking I will go. Throw another faggot on the fire Fanny. (a faggot is also a bundle of twigs or sticks, like kindling)
Bottom line Chappie: This country would be a lot better without homosexuals. That group of deviants brings a lot of problems with it healthwise, both physically and mentally. And if you throw in the spiritual factor, which being a lawyer and therefore probably a human secularist (read “if it feels good, do it”), this country is truly due for a Sodom and Gomorrah moment.
That said, and before you go all appalled and such, I believe it mostly a spiritual battle. It won’t be until the Godly (notice the capital “G”?) of this country will humble themselves, seek His face (Jesus, not the Mormon one either) and pray and turn from their wicked ways. Then God will heal our land. Because this land needs healing. BTW, your “the one”, BHO, aint’t the guy.
So, mass murdering the deviants of this country isn’t the answer. Hitler did that, or at least tried to, with what he determined to be undesirable. It didn’t work. But if we follow the instruction of the Word of God (Bible), He will heal the minds of the wicked. We must, as Jesus taught, hate the sin but love the sinner. For we are all sinners and it is only by the grace of God and the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ who died for those sins that we are free from that sin.
Hey, Chap, I hope your Thanksgiving was enjoyable.
Careful mike. Leave my MAC alone. I’ve been using Apple products beginning in the early eighties. They are proven the most reliable of platforms with fewer viruses. It does bother me to open up the internals within the programing and find liberal attitudes. If I open I-TUNES radio, the talkradio segment is preprogramed with mostly left BS. I use GOOGLE as my search because it’s better and I drive a TOYOTA because it’s more reliable. I believe letters of protest are more effective than boycotts.
FamilyMan:
I use WinSnows because its everywhere, but reliable? Try Linux. AND you have many times the available hardware pool, both in scope and variety.
Google, well it is simply *not* better, but you’d need a lot of complex statistics to show it. They’ve polluted their algorithm, giving it a (rather heavy) bias. There are many things out there, Conservative things, for example, that will never show up. And, you could always argue that anyone as 2faced as to protect childmolesters claiming it a freedom of info issue, but happily acts as bird dog to Chinese secret police shouldn’t be trusted by anyone wanting an honest search.
Toy-ota? Forgot my skate key, sorry [grin]
ITunes? Overpriced. Build your own, plans availible all over, 500GB capacity for a song, (no pun intended…,) no DRM problems (or causing an install of a root-kit virus, which happens regardless of Mac/PC…), as long as you know which end of a soldering iron to grab. PC-modder, (the hardware, not Window$…) every few months has new plans for the next-greatest-thing. Or the phone-modder mags, (put that old, throw-away cell phone to good use!).
After my retirement, I think I’ll build my own car, from scratch. I’m sure I could do a better job that Toy-ota… It’ll certainly be more FUN!
WOW! mike
You sound a lot more computer savvy than I am. I am building my own car now and it will be more fun than my Toyotas.
Well, I do know somewhat abt hardware. I was a blogging newbie in July — it never interested me, but I just didn’t know what I was missing.
Seriously, though, there are distros of Linux that even a luddite could install & maintain. If reliability is your guiding star, you might want to look them over.
Good luck w/the car. I am forced to move every 3-4yrs, so I can’t buy the heavy shop tools to build mine until I retire. I envy you somewhat.
My mpg/mp3 player is built from an old Palm w/new innerds, and 2 250GB microdrives, but that’s over a year old. My niece tells me there are “way better” plans on the web, and you won’t have to write your own controller software. OTH, I’ll bet mine is the only one around that does Mil.Spec grade encryption… [wink] You really *can* build an mp-player for about 1/3 of the price, and you don’t have to be a computer genuis to do so. (can I have my leg back now? can we bury the hatchet? nb: not in me, pls[chuckle]).
Oh, well… I’m on call, and they are.
See y’all later!
I get it Chapo.
It’s a-okay to kill helpless babies before they are born but to mock queers is completely dishonorable and something to rise up and be appalled about. I mean if their mothers and fathers are trying to kill them then certainly nobody else should protect them. And the ones that survive should be denied any health care. Got it.
Brilliant and completely illogical. Par for the course when it comes from a liberal.
A fantastic evolution of civil rights you are defending there.
Chep: Chappie is not all bad. There are some points he makes that make sense. However, he is a lawyer and therefore will spin facts and make suppositions that makes him sound like the defender of the universe. He also gets “appalled” at what-do-you-do-with-lawyer and what’s-the-diffence-between-a-lawyer-and-a-______ jokes. Goes over his head.
I certainly wouldn’t need the help of that kind of attorney.
Especially if he thinks mocking gays is worse than killing babies.
For right4life, familyman, and anyone else posting Stanley Kurtz’s ‘research’ to back up their points:
If you’re going to try and use scientific evidence to support a point, try using some that has been published in peer-reviewed, academic journals, not the National Review. I go to the National Review for good political commentary, not hard science. Notice that I don’t cite studies published in Mother Jones to back up my points.
So does that mean being gay is a genetically inherited trait?
Does that mean there is any evidence that homosexuality is anything other than a choice?
Our constitution does not offer a right to gay marriage the last time I checked it out. Can you show me that part?
I didn’t say a damn thing about abortion and it is completely irrelevant here.
And patriot, I rarely get indignant, eiher here or im real life but Arizona was way out of line. Saying in essense “I hope they all die” is not “mocking” gays. It is being a disgusting human.
He should be banned. That is all I will say. Enjoy your Sunday.
It is completely relevent here to call someone out for mocking gays death but to actually talk about the real killing of babies is off topic. Gotcha. Great litigation skills.
It’s all killing isn’t it?
Chapo, why don’t you just admit you got trolled and move on with life. You’re looking like a bafoon already. And you call yourself an attorney? pfft
I am glad they put up the list, it lets me know where to spend my hard earned green.
If proof that the desire for gay sex was hereditary, the sociopath gay community would use it it to push their perverted lifestyle on the normal 98% of the population.
THE HAVEN’T BECAUSE THEY CAN’T.
He is a simple experiment for you gay boys.
Take the human genome and run a comparison to see if there is any commonality to the structure of homosexuals. They have and they can’t.
Same sex coupling is a choice. You have no Constitutional special rights.
Hey vargas
Have you found your genetic proof yet?
HMMM?
Instead of calling sin ’sin’, let’s just keep on running around in circles and explaining away behavior and look like a dog searching for a place to poop.
This is the human condition. No amount of explaination will justify a lifestyle that destroys.
Proof Vargas
A brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on March 26, 2003, in the Lawrence vs. Texas case (commonly known as the Texas sodomy case). On page 16 of this legal brief, footnote 42 revealed that 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following:
The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual (Laumann, et al., 1994).
The study also found that only 0.9% of men and 0.4% of women reported having only same-sex partners since age 18—a figure that would represent a total of only 1.4 million Americans as homosexual (based on the last census report, showing roughly 292 million people living in America). The resulting accurate figures demonstrate that significantly less than one percent of the American population claims to be homosexual.
Proof Vagas
“Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired,” Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project
I have no issue at all of the anti-Prop 8 people boycotting businesses. The issue is with the intimidations, the threats, the assaults, the Gestapo-like tactics and ways. Most of all, the way they are behaving EXACTLY how they claim they are treated and so forth.
To actually support them in wat they are doing, in the above mentioned things and in teir efforts to overturn a legal election, says a great deal about you as an individual. So don’t get all “high and mighty” concerning those of us who oppose such measures.
The election was eld, it was legal, there was noting wrong with the people of this state deciding what can and shold be in our Constitution. That IS the way this country works and is run. Te spoiled grapes act is really getting old and is backfiring on you, and you are sowing rows you do not want to reap.
However, with the growing demand to teach homosexuality issues in public school, glamorize the lifestyle during the family hour on tv for the last 30 years, we now have a growing number of supporters that tend to side with homosexuals on social issues. Though the numbers claiming to be homosexual are quite small, acceptance for the lifestyle is growing leaps and bounds (see Prop 8 results: 52-48%).
The frog in the water syndrome.
If that is the case, then there are a few more that should be banned based on your qualifications. Those would include lgm and MJ amongst a few other trolls.
Proof Vargas
Marxist/Leftist attitude. There goes free speech, when left up to the libs.
You do know what free speech means, right?
You wouldn’t really be dumb enough to think that concept applies to a private blog, right?
oh please give me a break. those ‘peer reviewed’ journals are a joke. they support the conventional wisdom, and thats about it.
what a joke.
but since thats what you want to use…where is your research??? did I miss something??
the problem comes in when you say ANY behavior is genetic…then murder is genetic, so is pedophilia, robbery, rape, etc. there is no end to what can be rationalized by ‘genetics’
Certainly not, but your general attitude suggests quite another thing.
And so goes the humanist argument about life issues in general. Too bad they have such an adversion to reading the human being operations manual.
Is it just me, or does discussion on gay agenda issues bring out some rather interesting and heated dialogue, moreso than other topics?
right4life:
I hope you’re joking about peer-reviewed journals. If not, then there’s really no point in discussing science with you.
Either way, I don’t have the burden to cite any research here–I never made a claim purporting to be supported by research. I questioned the claim that gay marriage somehow has a negative effect on straight marriages.
FamilyMan:
You keep responding to your own strawman argument. At no point have I said anything about homosexuality being genetic or being a choice. I don’t care either way, which is why I haven’t commented on that issue.
If you want to keep my viewpoint straight, so you don’t confuse your strawmen with what I actually say, here is my opinion on gay marriage and homosexuality in general:
–I don’t care if people are gay or not. As long as consenting adults are involved, I couldn’t care less what goes on in the bedroom. This holds true whether it is a genetic predeliction or a choice. I know plenty of straight dudes who choose to sleep with as many random women as possible–that’s not my preferred lifestyle, but they’re free to do as they wish.
–I personally would support gay marriage if the choice were put to me as a voter. I see no reason why marriage should be confined to opposite sex couples in this day and age.
–I think the CA Supreme Court decision was correct. If a Constitution has an Equal Protection Clause, which both the CA Constitution and the 14th Amendment have, and that clause has been used to protect inter-racial marriage, I can see no principled way to distinguish gay marriage under the law.
–I also think Prop 8 was the correct response. CA decided to allow amendments to its Constitution by simple majority, and the voters chose to use that in this case. Since the majority wanted to outlaw gay marriage, that should be the law now.
–The push for the court to reconsider whether the amendment process was done correctly has some basis in the law (the CA Constitution does distinguish between amendment and revision), but I think is a non-starter, and seems a desperate final attempt by those who support gay marriage. If it succeeds, then that truly is judicial activism of the worst kind.
So, we can now toss out anything that is morally right because we are under a new day and age?
This is the problem with how people view the meaning of life. It is all about what it means to them and the heck with the opinion of the One who gave them that life.
Dear Gay Community,
I apologize for the fact you are a bunch of thugs who, not content merely with having a different sexual preference in order to garner special rights for yourself, must force the rest of us to publicly accept and fund your deviancy.
I’ve had enough. Maybe when the homosexuals grow up and realize life isn’t all about servicing their every need and cry for acceptance, I’ll reconsider something as frivolous as publicly recognizing a personal, neutral at best, sexual preference as something of equal value to the fundamental societal institution of marriage.
Homosexuality is a mental illness, and should be treated as such.
MARRIAGE IS SLOWLY DYING IN SCANDINAVIA. A majority of children in Sweden and Norway are born out of wedlock. Sixty percent of first-born children in Denmark have unmarried parents. Not coincidentally, these countries have had something close to full gay marriage for a decade or more. Same-sex marriage has locked in and reinforced an existing Scandinavian trend toward the separation of marriage and parenthood. The Nordic family pattern–including gay marriage–is spreading across Europe. And by looking closely at it we can answer the key empirical question underlying the gay marriage debate. Will same-sex marriage undermine the institution of marriage? It already has.
In the ArizonaNeanderthal-chapoutier exhange, with other comments, that started about #94, I am with chapoutier. AN’s commments certainly DO seem like advocating killing citizens of the United States, which would be a crime if that is what he meant.
There are other fora for discussing abortion.
(For the record, I don’t care what two consenting adults do in private so long as it does not involve children and the activity is not waved in my face with approval expected. And I am opposed to abortion in almost all cases.)
I’m with chapoutier on this particular discussion. (And we usually disagree on these pages.)
Overall, I think the anti-Prop 8 protesters are out of line and too many are resorting to terrorist tactics.
nycweboy said: (#116)
There’s a difference between employees of a company donating money on their own behalf (in the case with Dell) and the company itself sponsoring events (as Disney does with its Gay Days).
While I can’t say I agree with your analysis or conclusions, Vargas, I think you make a good point that if folks want to debate you they really need to argue against your actual stated points instead of arguing against points they would have you to make.
(and hmmm, that’s one long sentence there!)
Angry gay activists and gay people in general are sick people. Boycotts are only a peripheral activity and will do little to solve the legal position of the homosexual community. As long as conservatives dance around the real damage to the family same sex marriage causes, a stable society can never be maintained.
Yup, Kevin, I’d say that AzN got carried away and crossed the line into ban-worthy territory there.
no I’m not. they’re political as hell…get a clue.
oooh you don’t have the burden huh?? but you have nothing to dispute what Kurtz wrote, except your feelings
let me guess…you’re a liberal 
laughable. first you come in all high and mighty wanting peer reviewed articles, then you cannot produce any…what a moron!!! all you’re good for is a few laughs
It has and will continue to involve children. Accepting same sex unions degrades the institution of marriage. Only 20% of heterosexuals get married in the countries where gay marriage is allowed. THAT AFFECTS CHILDREN. Children are being forced to acknowledge the normalcy of same sex unions. THAT AFFECTS CHILDREN. Validating a sickness AFFECTS CHILDREN.
Disney doesn’t sponsor Gay Days.
It’s more like Disney looks the other way and then intones the old Sgt. Schultz line from “Hogan’s Heroes”:
“I saw nothing! Nothing!”
I wasn’t arware of the corp sponsors, Mooks. Obviously Disney knows what’s going on, too, but they do go into a “Who, Us?” kubuki theatre routine. One of those “A rose by any other name” things, y’know.
I’d skip even an all-expenses paid trip to one of the Disneys. Not because of this, I just don’t like huge, garish theme parks and crowds to begin with. I don’t even like going to my local mega-mall.
right4life:
Everything can be described as political. The reason peer-reviewed academic journals are respected for reliable evidence is because they do the best job at weeding out politics and bias through the system of openness and discussion. That’s why I would give more weight to a study in such a journal than I would something published as science in an unabashadly partisan publication such as National Review. If I quoted scientific findings from the New Republic, I would be heavily criticized here, as I would deserve to be.
I cannot provide any peer reviewed articles, as you point out, because 1. I’m not a scientist, and have no idea where to even begin looking, and 2. I have not made a single claim that I have attempted to justify by science. The reason I asked if you had any was because you made a claim, and purported to ground it in scientific findings.
I’m with you. I loathe crowds. Not too crazy about people in general.
Along with Gay Days, there’s also Bats Days where all the Goths show up en masse. Chuck Klosterman wrote a hysterical article about it a few years ago.
Something Wicked This Way Comes
Mookie (#179,181) and purplepeep (#180). Thanks for the correction. I did not think something so big and planned could be without their sponsorship.
As long as we’re mentioning companies, didn’t/doesn’t Miller sponsor the Folsom Street madness?
FamilyMan (#178), if I had lived in California, I would have voted for Proposition 8 as I think that marriage should be between one man and one woman, hopefully forever. (I think I lost a friend over this issue.) Homosexual marriage falls into the waving the activity in my face, and I disapprove. I also dislike blatant heterosexual promiscuity, and have been known to say so.
I should have said in terms of involving children that the consenting adults couldn’t be “playing” with children in private, but I was trying not to be crude.
In the larger context, yes, you are right, anything that affect marriage does involve children. The strongest societies in history, I think, were the ones in which solid family relationships–traditional, centered around a man marrying a woman, supporting and rearing children, and helping their other relatives–were applauded and supported.
you can’t be this naive. these ’scientific’ journals have an agenda. please.
so let me get this straight…you cannot dispute what Stanley Kurtz says in this article..or the dutch researchers he quotes, if you bothered to even read it
but its not good enough for you because some science journal hasn’t blessed it 
are you even for real? this is ludicrous.
but you do dispute it…and your reasons are only based upon your feelings, right? uh huh.
this is not ’science’ this is sociology..which like economics is not exactly a hard science. your appeals to ’science’ are laughable, when you cannot provide any ’science’ to back up your opinion…nor can you dispute what I posted with any evidence at all!
you are definately a liberal. get a clue.
yeah I made the claim, I backed it up..and I could give a rats rear end if you approve of it or not. when you have some evidence to dispute what I said, let me know..until then
A little emoticon happy are we?