On December 5th, 2008 at 9:25 am, Red State Skeptic said

I, too, have lived in both the north and the south (originally from Texas but have life long friends in NE). I dispute your claim that they are not the same in any way. There are reginal differnces (accents, food, etc) but the overall middle and northern European cultural values are relatively the same. To equate regional differences to cultural differences is a mistake. There is a huge difference between regional cultural differences in the past and municipal cultural differences of today as well. Mobility was not ther in the past, so a southerner was not likely ot accidentally wander into the ‘wrong neighborhood” as it is today. Proximity brought on by mobility and mass immigration of differing groups will lead to clashes eventually. The gov’t attitude of the more diverse the better is a ticking time bomb. Moderate amounts of diversity is a good thing. But too much diveristy leads to problems. A study released several months ago showed that the more diverse a community the less trust there was between the community members. The ability to trust your fellow citizens is crucial (the old united we stand concept).

One big omission is language, which is now being diluted due to massive immigration from hispanic countries (something the forefathers were acutely aware of, that immigration must be measured as to not allow for division or enclaves of hyphenated America). What happens if we import 20M more muslims to the country (which is possbile under your come one come all attitude)? I assume you would have no problem with that. So what if they want sharia law institued? Hey, it is their right. Having been in Texas over the prior decades, I have witnessed changes that I never thought I would see. Division of language, increases in crime, crimes that were once relegated to 3rd world countries only, lack of trust and respect amongst citizens, “no-go” areas for white people, etc. A country can not be simply a trading area, otherwise, it will not survive. There must be at a minimum cultural ties that bind us together for the common good of the country. That is rapidly fadin under mass immigraiton policies and an open border.

Therefore you beleive that a unifying culture and language is not required for a mass of people living in a confined space under a single gov’t? Again, look back at history. When a society lost it’s unified culture and language (usually due to unfettered immigration for those not defeated in war), it’s demise soon followed. So let all those diverse groups (encouraged under multiculturalism) hunker down in their own enclaves, demanding rules/laws/benefits for the gain of their own ethnicity, due to language barriers and opposing culutres and see the ultimate outcome. Civil strife and distrust is the end game.

When has America ever had a “unified culture?” I’ve lived in the South and I’ve lived in the North, and I’ll tell you it AIN’T the same in any way. In fact, the north is more like Canada than it is the south. And with television, the two regions are now as similar as they’ve ever been.

A good piece all around.

On December 4th, 2008 at 6:37 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

Therefore you beleive that a unifying culture and language is not required for a mass of people living in a confined space under a single gov’t? Again, look back at history. When a society lost it’s unified culture and language (usually due to unfettered immigration for those not defeated in war), it’s demise soon followed. So let all those diverse groups (encouraged under multiculturalism) hunker down in their own enclaves, demanding rules/laws/benefits for the gain of their own ethnicity, due to language barriers and opposing culutres and see the ultimate outcome. Civil strife and distrust is the end game.

They will never learn. Some of them are just sorry sissified cowardly losers, but most of them actually are in lockstep with the Democrat / RINO New World Order agenda.

And for the liberal trolls here, “acting like a white American” is not a bad thing. In fact, because you are obviously historically challenged (like my PC?), the d*mn country was founded by and was vastly majority white until the idiot PC pols decided we were “too white” and decided that we must change the demographics of the US to be PC and prove we are not racists.

Agreed! I love white people. That doesn’t mean I give a crap whether everyone in this country adopts white people culture. You do you.

Illegals artificially lower wages for legal workers here since they are working ‘off the books’.

Are you a union boss? In my fiscally conservative opinion, we should have as many people as possible lowering the wages for unskilled work, whether overseas or in the US. Of course they should be on the books and part of the tax base — and they would like nothing more than that, and that would happen if not for the right wing of the Republican party putting the kibosh on comprehensive immigration reform.

And no, low wages aren’t the only thing good about immigrants, but they do rebut the idea that Americans are hurting because of them.

And for the liberal trolls here, “acting like a white American” is not a bad thing. In fact, because you are obviously historically challenged (like my PC?), the d*mn country was founded by and was vastly majority white until the idiot PC pols decided we were “too white” and decided that we must change the demographics of the US to be PC and prove we are not racists. Whites, rightly or wrongly for you idiots, made this country great through a good work ethic, motivation, intelligence, and drive.. Any of us around back in the 60’s and 70’s can attest to the fact that it was a pretty darn safe and good place to live. Selective immigraiton, of any race, is a smart thing to do for the country. But allowing entry to any “wretch” who can drag themselves across the border is decidely ignorant in a country that has settled and made productive all of the available land mass. For every great immigrant we take these days, we take 9 uneducated and potential criminal immigrants. Now it is immigration just for the sake of immigration. How is that intelligent?

By any criteria, Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal and Michael Steele are less qualified than…

Hey buddy, don’t mess with The Jindal, or tens of thousands of Cajuns will be all over you like the stink of a crawfish boil’s day-old-trash.

We take stupid political slander personal down here, and your glossing over his abilities and qualifications will get you sent straight to tar and feather land.

Just shut your trap before someone shoves a po-boy down it.

Oh I almost forgot – you’re a collectivist moron who can’t think past your MSNBC.

On December 4th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

Immigrants legal and illegal help this country by providing much-needed low-wage services, which any economist (especially conservative economists) will tell you is a net plus for the country. That’s why Wall Street favors amnesty. Americans aren’t “hurting” because of illegals; we owe them a great debt.

Illegals artificially lower wages for legal workers here since they are working ‘off the books’.

Illegals are causing hospitals to close or have finacial difficulty because they don’t have health insurance.

Illegals are putting a strain on the schools because they aren’t full contributors in the tax base and their children don’t speak English.

How can there be a net gain for the economy? Please cite these ‘conservative economists’ you mention that believe illegal immigrants provide a net gain for the economy.

Good points.

I would also include that we might have a cart-before-the-horse issue here as well. Since we’re talking economics, illegal immigration can certainly be seen as tied to supply/demand macro economics.

There have been reports that illegal immigrants might be returning to their country of origin due to our current economic condition because employers are decreasing their demand for cheap labor (typically by cutting back services).

It’s not necessarily provable that we owe illegal immigrants when our economy was doing well. It might be just the reverse with the cause being that when we are doing well, it’s more attractive to be here and there is more money to be spent on those services.

It’s quite possible that the more Paulson bails and flails, the illegal immigration will actually decrease.

Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.

What we DO have to do though is to continually combat those who want to paint the pro-enforcement crowd as “bigots” or “anti-immigration” (disingenuously dropping the “illegal” part of that as they are wont to do). We cannot let them define us that way, and we should be doing more to define THEM. It’s Jeb, McCain, and all of the other pro-ILLEGAL-immigration people that are indulging in the soft-bigotry of low expectations, and would thus would consign millions of poor Hispanics to exploitation by coyotes and others as well as to a life of indentured servitude in the US.

Case in point:

Immigrants legal and illegal help this country by providing much-needed low-wage services, which any economist (especially conservative economists) will tell you is a net plus for the country. That’s why Wall Street favors amnesty. Americans aren’t “hurting” because of illegals; we owe them a great debt.

Yes, that’s all they are to you, aren’t they – just good, cheap, docile labor.

Immigrants legal and illegal help this country by providing much-needed low-wage services, which any economist (especially conservative economists) will tell you is a net plus for the country. That’s why Wall Street favors amnesty. Americans aren’t “hurting” because of illegals; we owe them a great debt.

Illegals artificially lower wages for legal workers here since they are working ‘off the books’.

Illegals are causing hospitals to close or have finacial difficulty because they don’t have health insurance.

Illegals are putting a strain on the schools because they aren’t full contributors in the tax base and their children don’t speak English.

How can there be a net gain for the economy? Please cite these ‘conservative economists’ you mention that believe illegal immigrants provide a net gain for the economy.