Remembering Pearl Harbor: 67 years
Never forget:
Read this wonderful story of how a 13-year-old boy persuaded Pearl Harbor survivors not to abandon their annual reunions. The intro:
Two years ago, a waning fraternity of local men who had survived the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor thought their 65th anniversary reunion would be the last.
“We are all getting old now,” Jack Carson of Overland Park told The Kansas City Star at the time, “and it’s almost too much to get anything done.”
A boy named Quinn changed that.
Today, Kansas City Metro Chapter III of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association — now fewer than a half-dozen veterans — will gather again for the 67th anniversary at a Mission community center.
The task of organizing and promoting the reunion was seized by 13-year-old Quinn Appletoft, a World War II buff who happened upon the group about eight years ago. Last year, he served as master of ceremonies.
Recently, he distributed fliers at two Shawnee Mission schools. His fliers read: “We will remember this day with survivors. … You can hear their stories of this tragic day and look at artifacts.”
Refreshments provided. Quinn hopes maybe 10 kids will come.
“When you have these guys together, what’s cool is they tell their own stories. I think that’s way better than reading out of a textbook,” he said.
Across the nation, aging Pearl Harbor veterans groups have begun to fold their collective tents: A Massachusetts chapter of seven active members held its final meeting in June. In Nevada, the Silver State Chapter No. 1 of the survivors association intends to surrender its charter today.
But the Kansas City chapter has been revved up by the kid from Mission and by his classmates.
And here’s a new report on the “winds execute” message and what the US did and didn’t know.
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My uncle was on the Utah on 12/7 when the ships were hit. He did survive, but many did not. Precious few are alive now. We need to honor each and every one who served in WW11. God bless each one and their families.
L
Wow its unbelieveable that were loosing the greatest generation. These are amazing heroes. I always look up to them and any veteran who has served. Without them … Freedom would be lost.
I hope one day I can join their ranks… and become a defender of Freedom.
Too busy to post much lately. Just finished 24 hour duty at work. In my lap is a framed scrap of grey and red cloth my Grandfather brought from Pearl Harbor. On the back it reads: “Japanese Torpedo Plane #12193 shot down over Pearl Harbor Hawaii December 7 1941.” On 10 DEC, he wrote my great grandparents: “I can’t write very much, but want you to know I’m okay. Had a big time Sunday [the attack]. Also in my stuff, I have a color copy of a second piece of an aircraft that reads “Here is some Rising Sun that will rise no more. Shot down over Pearl Harbor December 7 1941.” (You have to love that 940’s vintage tough-guy talk!)
Sadly, I never met this man, who was on the ground crew of the Hindenburg when it blew up (now those are some letters home), as well as Pearl Harbor, and fought through the whole of WWII. He disappeared in 1947 while flying for the Navy over the Aleutian Islands. Not many men like that any more. I will always regret not having met him.
Indeed you do. Those guys were my heroes growing up as well as the tough guys that played them in the movies (John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, Henry Fonda, etc.). We were blessed to have them at that time. I am sorry to be seeing them go. The generation behind them leaves alot to be desired, IMHO.
This past week I was in Washington DC. The World War Two memorial is a special place to see and honor those who fought for our freedom.
I am the proud daughter of a surviving World War II Marine (Pacific theater).He is 84.
Also, Delta Airlines has impressed me many times since 2001 in showing respect to our soldiers returning to the States, and flying to their deployments. There is always applause and thanks for our men and women in uniform by fellow travelers when the pilot calls attention to them. I have noticed this trend by Delta more than any other airline I take—so I thank them and know many pilots are former soldiers and airmen themselves.
If you are in the DC area in the future, catch the Smithsonian American History gallery displaying the flag that inspired our national anthem. Viewing this flag will make you stand up straighter as a patriot.
May God continue to bless all who serve the United States of America: our military, and may those who have died in the service of our country, may you rest in peace. Thank you all for your service and sacrifice.
Thank you Michelle. For all who serve and served thank you.
God Bless America.
God Bless America and many thanks to those that paid the price that day.
I will never forget.
My late, beloved Father fought the enemy on Guadalcanal. He never spoke of the war with his children. He suffered recurring bouts of malaria the rest of his days. However, other survivors of that massive battle related to us the heroism of our father and thousands of others. Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars and a Silver Star. My hero? My Dad.
I’ve mentioned this before (both here and at Hot Air), I highly recommend reading (if you can find a copy) “Honorable Treachery: A History of US Intelligence, Espionage, and Covert Action” by George J. A. O’Toole. From George Washington to the Bay of Pigs, this massive tome covers it all.
Please, may we always remember the GENERATION that made all our lives FREE… We are losing these BRAVE individuals at an alarming rate… I only hope that as their ranks thin out, we will still REMEMBER… A lot of our younger citizens seem to have a “so what” attitude about WWII… A column by WALTER WILLIAMS, the other day, said the majority of people taking a CIVICS QUIZ, couldn’t name at least 2 of our enemies in WWII… Sad, very sad… Had an UNCLE, who was a SEABEE in the PACIFIC in WWII… As a young boy, I could sit and listen for hours to his accounts of what happened to him and his unit in those HISTORIC TIMES… We now miss him, and all the great generation he represented, who are now gone forever… May we always REMEMBER… Thank you MICHELLE!!!
y father turned 15 the day Pearl Harbor was attacked.
In November 1943, before turning 17 (*), he drove a Higgins boat towards the Tarawa shore, struck a sandbar (as did many boats), and watched as the Marines walked off the end of ramp. After the first off went straight down and did not resurface, the rest dropped their gear, save their weapons and a m m o belts. The Marines then went over the side onto the shallower sandbar, waded, and swam. There was a long pier that was perhaps 1,000 feet to the right of the beach area they were assigned. Japanese machineguns heavily attrited their ranks. The tide rose, more waves pushed ashore, and by sundown most of Tarawa was secure. My father’s boat was towed off that morning, he participated in subsequent waves, and put both Army and Marines ashore on other islands. He died in 1988.
It reminds me that seeming miscalculations during battle planning costs lives in the short term and can affect the outcome of war. That is not a knock on our military per se. While a post-Tarawa investigation did find that planners miscalculated the tides, the data about offshore conditions they had to work with was both flimsy and from surveys several decades old. In addition, the investigation found that the Japanese had prepared underwater obstacles by dumping material at the maximum range of their heavy machineguns to add to the build up of sand offshore.
Wars are fought come as you are, meaning, with the troops, situational assessment, and equipment available. Intelligence about the battlefield and the enemy on it changes over time, by attrition, and obviously through the enemy’s own ongoing efforts. You cannot know some things — despite continuous gathering — prior to an operation. Ultimately, our victories have always come down to boots on the ground, a gunfight, and bravery under fire.
Mostly, when I think of this day, I think of how my father’s world changed on Decmeber 7, 1941, and what that generation of Americans did in response.
* Note: An estimated 60,000 Americans patriotically altered their birth certificates and enlisted, underage, during World War II.
My father turned 15 the day Pearl Harbor was attacked.
In November 1943, before turning 17 (*), he drove a Higgins boat towards the Tarawa shore, struck a sandbar (as did many boats), and watched as the Marines walked off the end of ramp. After the first off went straight down and did not resurface, the rest dropped their gear, save their weapons and a m m o belts. The Marines then went over the side onto the shallower sandbar, waded, and swam. There was a long pier that was perhaps 1,000 feet to the right of the beach area they were assigned. Japanese machineguns heavily attrited their ranks. The tide rose, more waves pushed ashore, and by sundown most of Tarawa was secure. My father’s boat was towed off that morning, he participated in subsequent waves, and put both Army and Marines ashore on other islands. He died in 1988.
It reminds me that seeming miscalculations during battle planning costs lives in the short term and can affect the outcome of war. That is not a knock on our military per se. While a post-Tarawa investigation did find that planners miscalculated the tides, the data about offshore conditions they had to work with was both flimsy and from surveys several decades old. In addition, the investigation found that the Japanese had prepared underwater obstacles by dumping material at the maximum range of their heavy machineguns to add to the build up of sand offshore.
Wars are fought come as you are, meaning, with the troops, situational assessment, and equipment available. Intelligence about the battlefield and the enemy on it changes over time, by attrition, and obviously through the enemy’s own ongoing efforts. You cannot know some things — despite continuous gathering — prior to an operation. Ultimately, our victories have always come down to boots on the ground, a gunfight, and bravery under fire.
Mostly, when I think of this day, I think of how my father’s world changed on Decmeber 7, 1941, and what that generation of Americans did in response.
* Note: An estimated 60,000 Americans patriotically altered their birth certificates and enlisted, underage, during World War II.
Those are some amazing Photos Michelle. Thanks!
Its amazing to see The Battleship…. at that time people used to go ga ga over them…. not realizing the Aircraft Carrier time has come.
IS that a Nevada or Maryland class battleship?
My favorite ship out of all WW2 era ships is …
The Essex Class Carrier – Shes beautiful through and through.
Im lucky enough to have The USS Intrepid right here in NYC. I wonder how many other carriers are museums now?
Don’t know about other carrier-museums, but if you’re ever near Wilmington, NC, they have the battleship USS North Carolina.
One of my uncles did that, joining when he was 16. They found out he was underage when he was in the hospital, wounded. They kicked him out. A few months later he turned 18 and enlisted again. He served for another 30 years, seeing action (and getting wounded) in both Korea and Vietnam.
I love Carriers, but I have to admit when I see a battleship… I get really motivated. Just seeing the gleam of sunlight reflect over those huge guns… makes me feel sorry for anyone whos on the recieveing end of em.
We should have at least 1 Battleship on Reserve or Active Duty in The Navy. Just so we can bring her alongside the Chinese, Russian, Korean, etc. coast… and let em know… whos in charge.
Gunboat diplomacy in the age of Obama? I doubt we’ll see any of that!
Jean,
Coprus Christ has the Lexington carrier as a museum on Corpus Christi bay. They have several aircraft on the deck from WW11 also. It is very interesting to see the tiny rooms the sailors had to deal with. I liked the Dr. office and dental office.
L
Wow the original USS Lexington… The one from Coral Sea / Midway?
Thats amazing!
Why is it you Texas always have the the top best…
Good Laws
Texas State Guard – State Defense Force
Strong patriotic people
And alot of conservatives
I salute these guys for their heroism & and also those brave ones that serve now.
As for gunboat diplomacy, Obama will probably turn those ships into cruise ships for the poor who can’t afford to travel like they obviously deserve. Look where being well travelled got him.
The USS Missouri is docked in Pearl Harbor as a museum. It was an active duty battleship through ‘92, but is most famous for being the vessel on which the Japanese signed the surrender agreement to end WWII. I would assume that most of you knew that, but there’s no underestimating the decay caused by public education. Anyway, the ship is pointed toward the USS Arizona Memorial. When you’re on the section of the deck where the papers were signed, you can look out at where much of the destruction from that horrible attack took place, and know that we answered with a total, unapologetic triumph, finalized right where you stand.
Jean,
If you go on Lexington aircraft carrier you will find out all the information on the ship. Come see it sometime, we would love to have you in TX.
L
It is sad to see the last of that generation fade away. I hope that kid Quinn thinks of recording those talks. The opportunity to hear it first-hand from these people is disappearing.
Jean said (#15)
My recollection that the battleship USS Wisconsin on display in Norfolk is in the Fleet Reserve or some kind, so can theoretically be called back. When I was last there, one could only go above decks, although I think one can now see a bit more.
They are impressive ships, and I, too, would like to have at least one prowling around.
(Oh, and the USS Alabama is on display in Mobile, Alabama. She gets a whole park.)
I had the privilege of sitting on my dad’s knee (I’m 50, now) and hearing his WW II combat stories first hand. He was humble, and he spoke with reverence and he always had a good word for the other guy (other US or Allied soldiers).
Because I took interest, and learned how to ask the right questions, I mined a fortune of stories from my hero dad – who fought on the front limes in Italy. Bronze Star, and in an elite unit, too.
Ask two questions: “What was your job in the military?” and “Where did you go?” You will be surprised at how much these sincere and simple questions will take you.
You’d better believe that my young first-grade son knows who the WW II belligerents were! He can name Germany, Italy and Japan – and he also knows that they are our friends now.
Andrew Higgins, the inventor of the Higgins Boat, was born in my home town. Andy was smart enough to move at a young age. (I’m still here.)
The city park has a fine memorial with a model of the craft and some fine bronze statuary.
The memorial was proposed by one of the high school teachers, sorry, I’ve forgotten his name, and the funds were raised by his students.
Not quite a battle ship but an important contribution to our success in WWII.
I know at least a couple of times in my life I got into a fight with somebody and we developed a lasting friendship afterward. I know from talking to other people it’s not unusual. I suspect the same is often true of nations.
I too am a proud daughter of a surviving WW2 Army sergeant stationed in Hawaii. Dad is 87 and was part of the invasion force that would have attacked Japan, had the war not ended as it did. He was on the ship when the Japanese surrendered. Dad noticed upon landing in Japan, the islands were very heavily fortified. Nuff said there. He wouldn’t talk about his service until he hit his 80s when I almost forced a pencil into his hand to make him write about his service from his enlistment quitting VPI (Va-Tech) to hitch-hiking his last 200 miles home.
I suggest to anyone with a relative who served anywhere and anytime to encourage them to write down their experiences – we must always remember.
My Dad enlisted in the Navy the week after Pearl Harbor–he had to eat 10 pounds of bananas and water to make the minimum weight requirement. He was a navigator on a cargo plane in the South Pacific during the war.
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My uncle flew Pan Am Clipper seaplanes before the war–he flew transports during the war in the Pacific.
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I attended church with many WW2 vets over the last 40 years–and worked in the radar / missile business with a lot of them also in my engineering career.
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They were almost all good hearted, decent people. They didn’t feel that they did much–even though I pointed out that we might be speaking German or Japanese if they and our country had not entered the war. The evil empires would have won if we hadn’t done so then. German rocket and A-bomb science would have probably gotten us in the 1950’s.
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We owe so much to the Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard men and women who have given this country to us and defended it through the 232 years of our country’s existence. Their courage, vision, and sacrifice gave and give us our freedom and lives. Thank a military person or veteran when you see one. May God bless them (living) and their souls (deceased)–THANK YOU!
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John Bibb
I remember Sunday December 7, 1941. That day was a warm and sunny in the fog belt of San Francisco. A neighbor first told us about the attack.
That the Japanese were going to hit was a given-that is why the fleet was at Pearl Harbor. Most, but not all, Army and Navy officers believed it would be in late spring–weather conditions off Japan traditionally would not allow assembling an attack fleet in December. It was also thought the Japs would hit the Philippines first.
One of the great mysteries is WHY did General MacArthur let the B-17s in the Philippines get caught on the ground by the Japs after he knew Pearl Harbor had been attacked?
My father was the last WWII veteran in my family; he passed in 1996. It is a generation missed.
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Don’t sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me
Thanks for the story link. I’ll be using that in class tomorrow!
My students have a project due every six weeks. I didn’t give them a due date; instead, I told them it was due the day after Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day. That gives me an opportunity to discuss the day with the students.
As a side note, if you haven’t seen Ken Burns’ series The War, do yourself a favor and check it out. It is amazing. There was also a tie-in to the documentary where local PBS stations interviewed WWII veterans. You can see the interviews from my area at http://www.kacv.org/war.
My students learned so much. One student planned to interview his great-grandfather, and he died before my student got to meet with him. That sadness gave all of us a reminder of how important it is to ask the questions and get those stories down on paper or film.
His parents raised a good kid.
Hooah
I am fortunate enough to drive by the USS Arizona and USS Missouri every day on the way to work. I can never resist the temptation to look over at them and feel a sense of pride.
A Modern Day Pearl Harbor
The people who were here in Honolulu that day don’t say much. The most I’ve ever gotten out of anyone was “well, you could see the smoke.” The shock and fury must have been enormous. If you are ever in Honolulu, the official tour is a must.
On 7 December 1941 my father had just finished up primary flight training in Corpus Cristi Texas. He ended up going from Texas all the way to to Tokyo. He was 50′tall to me.
Mom was at a skating rink. When they announced over the radio that Pearl Harbor was being bombed no one knew where it was. She would go on to work at NAS Alameda across the country where she met dad.
Everyone tried to do something to help the country after the Japanese Bombed Pearl Harbor… When islamists attacked us on 9/11 killing more Americans we were told to go out and shop.
ArizonaNeanderthal #30:
Actually, when McCarthur first heard of the attack on Pearl Harbor he launched everything he had into the air, knowing that he was next. However, the Japanese planes on Formosa (now Taiwan) scheduled to attack the Philippines were grounded by fog and couldn’t take off. By the time the fog cleared, McCarthur’s planes had to land for fuel.
That’s why the Japanese caught them on the ground.
That’s the simple version. You can find the longer version on Wikipedia.
Bill gets 9/11 wrong again – no surprise here. He does a good job as a liberal plant.
Pearl Harbor: Final Judgement by Henry C. Clausen and Bruce Lee used declassified American and Japanese codes to put to rest all these conspiracy theories.
One problem that came out was the hoarding of information by the services. The Army Air Corps commander was not cleared to receive secret information, so the Navy did not share it. We did know that the JAPS destroyed their code machines about two weeks before the attack.
The biggest surprise for me as I researched the attack was following up the number of reports that had the Japanese also bombing Honolulu itself!!
The real story was that the USN antiaircraft shells had been fused improperly.
Pearl Harbor was a tactical victory for the Japanese, but a strategic defeat for them as well.
Pearl Harbor marked the end of The Axis… once The United States entered the war it was only a matter of time before the Allies would win.
The Industrial might of The United States *at that time was unparallel. We were commissioning ships as if they were on a factory assembly line.
Unfortuately now we arent even close to what we had in WW2. Most of our industries and industrial might has declined. Everything now comes with a label… Made in China.
From The State Defense Forces – http://www.statedefenseforce.com – to The Coast Guard Aux, Civil Air Patrol… and to our lost industrial might… much has changed. There once was a time when we had a large Military reserves ie. State Defense Force, National Guard, etc., and were able to deal with any long war. Today we are forced to struggle to hold a small military together.
I never forget to humbly pay tribute to those whose world was drastically altered on 7 December 1941. My grandfather and uncle enlisted in the US Navy while my dad was too young to join deciding to go into the Army Air Corps in 1947 and stayed with the newly formed US Air Force on 18 September 1947.
My grandfather served his time in WWII and returned to duty for the Korean War rising to Chief Petty Officer, but sadly I never learned about his experiences in those conflicts. My uncle served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam retiring as a Master Chief Petty Officer. During his WWII experience he had two destroyers sunk out from underneath him. The first caused him to spend 10 days hiding on a Japanese held island until rescued and the other one was torpedoed as it left port and they almost made it back to the pier they launched from. Thanks to there sacrifice and service along with countless others our way of life was preserved.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!
On December 7 my father was working at the power plant. My mother said, she stayed at home at ironed all afternoon, listening to the radio reports about Pearl Harbor and crying.
I said, “Did you cry, because we were at war and the attack was so bad?” She said, “No, I was crying, because I was so angry. Just who in the h*** did those little ba****ds think they had attacked? We were going to kick their a**.”
Now you know why they were the Greatest Generation. No one was going to defeat them no matter what it took.
P.S. Yu can only imagine what my 91 year old mother thinks of “the war is lost” Harry Reid.
I have nothing to say beyond what others have done here. I’ll just say this…… you bled, I bled….. who will next? No, I want no liberals to answer because I know your limitations.
My wife’s uncle was assigned to either Hickam or Wheeler field (or maybe another field I can’t remember which one he said – it was years ago) as an Army photographer the Friday before the attack. In true enlisted fashion he spent all of Saturday surveying the watering holes in the vicinity. There’s some dispute whether he made it back to his cot or passed out on the lawn Saturday night, but he says he was awoken by the sounds of the attack.
He raced to his photo hut and grabbed a camera, but forgot film. When he realized his mistake and tried to return to his hut but it was destroyed. He was able to locate film after the attack and was able to record the damage to his field. He later transferred to artillery, so he could return the favor. He never spoke of his experiences other than this.
His brother (my father in law) enlisted the next day, but since their family had recently immigrated from Eastern Germany he requested to be assigned to the Pacific Theater so he couldn’t possibly end up fighting against family. He too never spoke of his experiences other than this.
My Great Uncle, Father Theodore Daigler, had recently taken his sacred vows as a Jesuit and was in the Philippines on Mindanao. He was a teacher at the Ateneo de Cagayan (Ateneo is a word the Jesuits in the Philippines use for “School”, it also means “College) teaching English Literature, Advanced Grammar, Educational Psychology, and was Prefect of the students library. When the Japanese invaded he went into the hill country behind the Malindang Mountain Range in Zamboanga del Sur. There he built a hut but he didn’t hunker down and sit out the war. He traveled from village to village saying mass and administering sacraments and medical attention. It is said that survivors of the Baatan Death March were brought to him for medical attention. Father Teddy refused to talk about that time, he instead preferred to talk about after the war when he returned to Cagayan and found the Ateneo de Cagayan was destroyed. With the local people he rebuilt the Ateneo de Cagayan, then he went to Devao City and founded the Ateneo de Devao of which he was the first principal.
My dad tried to enlist but he was only 6 so his attempt was less than successful.
My sister in law’s father survived the attack on the Arizona. He passed away last decade, but his wife still attends the reunions.
My Dad served in the Pacific campaign. Also, an uncle served in the Pacific, and was wounded twice. Dad used to comment that, sometimes, a Japanese soldier would come down and join the hot chow line. I guess the smell of hot food to a starving soldier was too much. A cook would hold a knife to him with one hand, and serve him with the other. A sniper nearly ended our family history, but missed by “a couple of inches”. The new generations know nothing of sacrifices made during a major war…the shortages, rationing, stars in the windows, etc.. Their wars are Hollywood and msm biased reporting. I wonder if they could face a major conflict today with the threats of invasion and ships sinking off the coast. I hope so, if the left will not “surrender” right away. It will come, if history proves anything.
My father was a WWII Veteran.He never talked about it,and he passed away in 1983.About all I can say is this :
At least we knew who our Enemy was back then,Today I’m affraid our Enemy is our own Goverment.Our Heroes are in Arlington and many Cemetaries across America… Not in Washington DC.
My uncle was a Pearl Harbor survivor and headed up the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association for many years.
Rest in peace, Uncle Bud.
I once asked a Veteran of the Pacific campaign why the guys who fought in WWII didn’t talk about it any more than they did. He said, “I served on two aircraft carriers and they shot both of them out from under me. How would you feel if you were floating around in the water and there were friends of yours out there begging for help and you couldn’t do amything for them? That’s what I think about when I think of WWII.”
I never broached the subject with again but I will always be grateful.
My father-in-law was 14 at the time and watched it from Pearl City.
BTW: The Japanese in Hawaii were never interned.
On December 7th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, JHSII said:
Hey idiot, what did I get wrong about 9/11? I wrote:“When islamists attacked us on 9/11 killing more Americans we were told to go out and shop.” What was “wrong” about that statement? Is it your point that the US population was rallied to the same degree to fight islamist terrorism as they were to fight the totalitarians in WW2? Or once again, do you just not have a point?
You have some psychological need to embarrass yourself, don’t you? You seem to thrive on humiliation.
And Bill Grant starts with the attacks, lies, trolling, and projection in this thread too.
Is there any thread that Bill won’t pollute?
Gee, surprise surprise, that wasn’t an answer to the questions. No one around to tell you what to think?
So are you going to latch on to anything I post like a tic on a dogs ass and… not have a point?
Bill follows me around with his lies and personal attacks and complains that I’m latching onto him!!
Malignant narcissist indeed.
On December 8th, 2008 at 10:44 pm, JHSII said:
Who posted first here and who chimed in with an out of nowhere, nonsensical statement that I 1) got “9/11 wrong again” (WTF?) and that I am a “liberal plant.” (WTF?) So to say that I am following you is just the wishful thinking of a humiliation freak.
Where have I lied?
You are an idiot.
Like a creepy stalker.
Bill projecting here too. Can he do anything else?
On December 8th, 2008 at 11:31 pm, JHSII said:
A brief history of JHSII shiny new word:
On July 10th
You keep on projecting Irish Rose. Don’t let threats of intelligent conversation get in your way!
On June 23rd,
If you say so. I see you’re still projecting as well.
On July 27th
I see Irish Rose is projecting again….
On August 27th,
to dakine: Stop projecting.
On December 6th,
You are projecting – and no, I didn’t learn that term from you
On December 3rd,
and he follows that by projecting! …
On July 1st,
Wade #37, Stop projecting.
On June 24th,
I see you’re projecting again.
On June 25th,
“More projection from irish Rose. “
On August 27th,
And dakine trolls in ad hominums and projection.
On July 8th,
more projection from Irish Rose…
On May 27th
lgm #20, projection at its best (or worst, depending on your point of view)
On October 25th,
nyc123me,You’ve passed the point of projection and have become delusional
August 26th,
More projection from chapoutier.
On October 31st
Thanks for the object lesson in projection, Mookie.
On April 26th
that’s nothing but projection from you
On October 12th
Standard typical liberal projection
On October 17th,
Absolute projection from Barbara Mikulski.
On October 25th,
…and the projection continues…
On and On and on… Could you be a bigger idiot?
Here idiot, why don’t you learn what your shiny new word actually means before you try to use it when asking people if they would like to super-size their meals:
Psychological Projection.
Noting the above definition methinks the lady doth protest too much… Eh projection boy?
Bill continues to make my point. I’m not the one with the problem.
As if you had a point.
I do have a point. Two points actually. You are a troll and a liar.
Thanks for your help!!
Where have I lied, idiot? Show me the lie.
Don’t you tire of beclowning yourself?
You lie in just about everything you post. You say I’m “beclowing” myself. That’s a lie – even assuming that beclowning is a word.
You have a problem, Bill. Maybe some medication can help.
Specifically? You idiot?
My points are that you’re a liar and a troll. I’ve shown where you’ve lied – including a very specific example.
The problem is yours. Don’t keep trying to project it off on me.
That is a lie. Liar.
Moron.
Bill doesn’t even read his own posts.
My points are that you’re a liar and a troll. I’ve shown where you’ve lied – including a very specific example.
The problem is yours. Don’t keep trying to project it off on me.
JHSII said:
So.. when I wrote “…be sure to follow this up with some non-sequitur effluence[…] Make sure that it is cut and paste-able so that you can post it over and over like the brainless parrot that you are. That will prove MY point; that you are an idiot” you must have taken that very seriously
When you do that over and over that is spamming.
As you have done here, here and here…
Wonder how the moderators feel about you spamming.
No spamming from me. I wonder how the moderators feel about your continued and repeated violations of the TOS, Bill.
I have been copying and pasting today because you seem to be posting the same lies and attacks over and over again, and I don’t feel like typing in my responses anymore like I have been doing.
The problem is yours, Bill. Stop trying to push it off on me.
(and yes, I’ll copy and paste this one too as long as you continue to prove my points about you.)
On December 9th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, JHSII said:
Another lie.
Sure it isn’t because you are a moron who is incapable of originality and who has nothing of value to say?
So it’s a LAZY a moron who is incapable of originality and who has nothing of value to say…
The creepy stalker problem? No worries, you aren’t much of a problem.
So you admit to spamming.
Bill has now turned three threads into nothing more than his trolling, lies, and personal attacks on me.
It looks like it’ll continue too.
Anyone who wishes to read the threads will see that you have been latching on to my posts to not make any kind of point other than you don’t have enough to do.
Anyone reads the threads will see that you’ve been attacking me as often as you can hit “refresh”.
They will also see that my points about you being a liar and troll have been repeatedly confirmed by your posts.
next…
You are a spamming moron. If saying that is an “attack” too bad. If you don’t want to be attacked as such don’t be an idiot.
Another post of lies and trolling from Bill.
Another unoriginal lie from the stalking idiot…
More projection from the troll and liar.
And the drooling retard adds another to the projection list…
More trolling and lies from Bill.
Nothing new here either.
More spam from the moron.
Then STFU.
And another post of trolling and lies from Bill.
Why can’t he take his own advice?
I admit his advice – when directed at others who think for themselves is bad advice – but in his case it would probably be very good advice.
Happy Trails!!
Where is the lie, liar?
If you thought at all you would have realized that you are just making a fool out of yourself in front of the very peer group who you crave approval from.
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
Another post, same old trolling and lies from Bill.
Thanks for the spam, moron.
More lies and trolling from Bill. Yawn.
More baseless charges and stupidity from the crybaby who likes to humiliate itself.
Bill never changes. More trolling and lies.
More spam and stupidity