Supreme Court turns down Obama citizenship appeal
The high court makes a decision, but the conspiracies will never end.
You know my position on this matter.
Now, the Supreme Court has weighed in:
The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election.
Here’s David Horowitz’s take.
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If there is no conspiracy, then there is no coverup.
Obama would have gone a long way to quiet the conspiracies had he just released his birth certificate. Why didn’t he? What was on the certificate that he didn’t want people to see? Where there’s smoke, there’s fire . . .
I don’t know what I don’t know. And that is part of the problem. I know Obama has refused to release many documents including this birth certificate.
Horowitz declares that “voiding 64 million votes” would shred our constitution. Frankly the document is in tatters already.
Think of the crisis that might come two or four years down the road if someone proves Obama is not eligible? What laws would become void? What SCOTUS appointments would become invalid? What damages would be caused by allowing someone who is NOT eligible to act as president for two or four or eight years?
This could all be resolved in 30 minutes by Obama. He won’t do it? Why?
So Osama Obama gets a free pass and doesn’t have to obey the Constitution?
The issue is so simple — even if Michelle and the rest of the bloggerati don’t think so — and so easy to resolve. It has only three parts:
1. There are questions about Obama’s eligibility to be President based on requirements in the Constitution;
2. Said claims could be answered instantly and for all time by producing a single document;
3. Obama refuses to do so, and in fact has lawyers fighting to keep his birth information secret.
I understand the Supremes being skittish about this. After all, it’s very serious business. But no assault on the Constitution’s authority should go unchallenged. Ever.
Horowitz is wrong on this one. So are you, Michelle. It’s not what you think of as “trutherism;” it’s a simple verification of identity.
We all have to do that on a regular basis. Why not Obama?
This will not go away as much as Michelle and SCOTUS would like it to.
Obama is almost certainly a US citizen. His refusal to release his documents is just his way of suppressing criticism. He’d rather people speculate that his grades sucked than actually have people see that they sucked.
Of course it wouldn’t surprise me if there are other tidbits that he’d rather us not know about, seeing as how we know so little about him right now.
Sore loserism, funny.
This is a spoonful of the filth we’ll have to take over the next four years.
I wonder if the Supreme Court would hear grounds on him being a dipstick instead?
No big suprise.
The Constitution trumps everything-or should.
Now even conservatives are condemning those of us who demand that it be upheld. We’ve reached the point of no return down the road to perdition.
I’ll never vote again.
I’ve said this before, but I’ve always believed that this birth argument was specious. I’ve been far more concerned with whether or not he traveled under an Indonesian passport after age 18.
Did anyone really think that Ginsburg, Souter and Stevens would hear this argument? Not a chance.
This is what happens when the people of this country continue to elect liberals and send them to Washington. I include Bush in that group.
God help us when Obama gets to appoint justices.
This is typical of Obama who has hidden his true self from us. I always found it strange that no one from his past spoke of him during the campaign. All of us have friends and family who know us well and who could speak about us at different periods of our life. Obama had none of that. Who is this guy? We may never know.
America’s undoing will not come from what we choose to fight for – but rather, what we choose to ignore.
Now I hope people will just shut up about this stupid exercise in futility. Let Obama hang himself with his actions, it’ll happen quicker than you think!
I agree with MrScribbler. If there was nothing ‘suspicious’ about it and he truly has nothing to hide he would gladly show us proof of citizenship. He is not above the law and neither am I. God help my country. . .I want it back!!
Prediction:
Big dawg bites USA in butt over naturalized citizen being elected El Presidente of the USA.
( Remember- i also predicted the price of gas hitting 1.50 by spring 2009. )
Bear1909
” I was wrong about her. But I was wrong about many things.” -OneStab, from “Legends of the Fall”
Nail meet hammer. Nuf sed.
Seating a person in violation of the Constitution is worse.
Would you inaugurate the Wizard of OZ if XX million people voted for him?
Not saying the ruling is incorrect. I jsut think Horowitz’s argumemnt is inverted.
So much for the “Supreme” Court…upholding the law of the land. What a joke.
There are already rumblings from the extreme left.
extreme lefties on obama
Now that we’ve had this decision from our Supremes, I’d like to apply for Social Security, driver’s license, and passport without presenting my birth certificate. They’ve set a new tone for the erosion of our national sovreignty, and have abdicated their role as gatekeepers of the law.
Corruption at the very core of this country will lead to its inevitable downfall. We are not immune. It’s coming fast, folks.
On the one hand it seems very unlikely that Obama could have gotten something of this magnitude past Hillary’s people. If he was not born in this country, I really believe she would have found out somehow. On the other hand, he does bring all this on himself by refusing to release the certificate.
And I also think Horowitz is wrong on this. He said Obama’s birthplace is a minor detail since 64 million people voted for him and God forbid the SCOTUS invalidate those 64 million votes. Well I’m sorry, but the only person who would be invalidating those votes would be Obama if he defrauded the people of this country. If Obama is not a natural-born citizen, then he shouldn’t have even been on the ballot and those votes would have rightfully gone to someone else. If the charges are true, any resulting crisis is not the fault of the people who discover the truth and insist on appropriate action, it’s the fault of those who hid the truth to begin with.
*…ring, ring*
“hello?… Oh, hi David, how are things at the plaza?”
“Michelle, you need to herd your cats”
*click*
Goodbye Michelle.
Exactly. It’s now the SCOTUS’ bad, not Obama’s? Again, we’re living in a bizarro world. So we do another national election, what’s wrong with that? Maybe we can wind up with a better crop of candidates w/o all the blustering BS for the last 2+ years.
I don’t even want to hear about what it will cost…I’m sure it would be MUCH cheaper (and far more effective) to have another national election than the bailout-palooza that has been foisted on us.
Well, that was kind of my point. Horowitz is ultimately wrong on this point. It would cause a constitutional crisis if SCOTUS overturned this election if Obama was found to be ineligible.
The problem is the crisis that will come later if he is found to be ineligble will be far, far worse than the crisis we might endure if this is discovered before he takes office.
My main point is that neither major party is willing to be governed by the constitution at this point. Neither major party cares what the constitution says on this or any other point. Therefore the document is in tatters and is, for all intent and purposes, invalidated already. 90% of what the federal government does on a daily basis is unconstitutional. Therefore they don’t really care if Obama is eligible or not.
I don’t know if Obama is eligible or not. But, I SHOULD know. I have a RIGHT to know. But the courts keep saying I don’t have that right.
The SecState of all 50 states and territories had the obligation to know about Obama’s eligibility BEFORE they put him on the ballot. As far as I know, none of them made any effort to determine his eligibility.
We are now a nation governed by men rather than a nation governed by laws. The rule of law is dead and so is the constitution.
Now it is up to the Electors to accept one of his passports as evidence of natural born citizenship. All hail President Elect Barry Soetoro.
Trouble is – he’ll still be President and still (possibly) will have subverted the constitution.
And worse, he’ll be taking us with him.
I look for us to be attacked again on US soil in the very near future.
So the Supreme Court refuses to enforce our Constitution once again.
This just proves that our Constitution has become a piece of paper. Maybe it is time the American people use the second Amendment and reform the Militia’s and enforce the Constitution since the Supreme court will not and our Congress will not.
David Horowitz said;” What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on U.S. soil?”
How about the fact our Constitution says he must be a natural born citizen Mr Horowitz.
What is the next part of our Constitution that Mr. Horowitz and Michelle Malkin decide is just another nuisance.
Then he says this:” Conservatives are supposed to respect the organic nature of human societies.”
There you have it, another so Called Conservative that thinks the Constitution is a living breathing document.
We are no longer living in a Constitutional Republic I am sorry to say.
Even if he is not a natural born citizen, this will still not go anywhere. Who exactly do you think runs Washington DC?
Wakey wakey…
Isn’t that what’s already happened? Isn’t that Bill Ayers operating the Wizard-Elect from behind the curtain?
Not even just his BC.. but school records.. which haven’t been released, would say if BHO is a foreign student, in state or out of state..
the cover up is on their end of the deal..
Maybe the TV show “24″ *was* a preview of things to come and a “conditioning” of public opinion:
The Great Birth Certificate Scandal/Cover-Up of ’08
By Joan Swirsky
Monday, 24 November 2008
Why won’t Obama just release his birth certificate and be done with it? There’s obviously SOMETHING there that he doesn’t want people to see. I suspect it is something less sinister than his place of birth being somewhere other than the USA. But there is definately something (his real name might not be “Barack” but just Barry, religion might be identified as Muslim, etc.).
I have to admit this one really is beginning to bother me. My hope at this point is Obama comes forth with the proper documentation and ends this once and for all.
The problem with this issue is we have millions of us who very seriously took an oath to “support protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
I admit, if Obama cannot prove he meets the Constitutional requirements and if others say give him a pass, I do not believe I could. Then what? That oath is all that ever mattered secularly to me.
This could really get ugly.
Sadly we are now universally ignorant and debauched in our manners. The deliberate ignoring of the constitution is a sure sign that America as I knew it is fast disappearing and will never more be the beacon to the rest of the world.
Obama; produce the proof and let us move on. Your actions indicate that you cannot produce the proof!
What is this “constitution” thing?
If someone on here is Fluent in Spanish… Could you PLEASE VERIFY this video… I feel it is VERY IMPORTAND!!!
http://patdollard.com/2008/12/bill-richardson-says-obama-is-an-immigrant-does-he-know-something-we-dont-with-video/
Richardson KNOWS SOMETHING…
Time to spill the beans.
Obama (may peace and blessings be upon Him) Will be able to walk on water and bring us world peace. He has convinced Michelle Malkin and the Supreme Court — He must be the ‘Obeyed One’.
Don’t use Obama’s (may peace and blessings be upon Him) middle name, or question his qualifications for he is the One born to save us from our sins of being conservative and republican.
Obama (may peace and blessings be upon Him) Brings the country together even before he takes office, time to bring all American war criminals to justice.
Obama (may peace and blessings be upon Him) Brings the Price of Gasoline Down even before he takes office, time to bring all American war criminals to justice.
Obama (may peace and blessings be upon Him) Brings the Iraq War to End, just like he said he would even before he takes office, time to bring all American war criminals to justice.
Republicans & Conservatives – Give it up, you have been beaten by the better man. Time to re-educate yourselves and take stock of where our country is now. It’s not your grandparents country anymore, things have changed.
NO — I’m not happy with it either, but I refuse to be crazy like the liberals have been for the last 8 years. The voters, Congress, Senate, John McCain, George W Bush, Supreme Court, even Michelle Malkin apparently want what they are going to get and while I do feel sad about this, things change —
Obama (may peace and blessings be upon Him) Indeed Brings Change (just like he said he would do).
To me the likely scenario is that he’s hiding his school records because he applied for and received financial aid as a foreign student claiming he was either Kenyan or Indonesian. He’s a US citizen but needed money for the Ivy League and someone suggested that he claim being a foreign student due to his father’s or step-father’s citizenship. So he took advantage of the system and he doesn’t want it to come out because it would cast him in a REALLY bad light as far as his character is concerned, not to mention the non-citizen crowd would take it as proof they’re right absent a birth certificate.
Right now the hidden birth certificate keeps a vague cloud of doubt over everything and Obama knows that many of his supporters would rather not know too much so they can pretend it doesn’t matter. He’s also banking on our side being too scared to cause trouble. I’m guessing there are some pretty ugly truths swirling around him and he knows he’s in deep trouble if it all comes out.
Horowitz’s spin is an odd one. Denying the vote of 64 million citizens? Were they all citizens and how many voted more than once? But I digress. Horowitz begs the question – would people have voted for Obama prior to the election his eligibilty was known to be compromised?
What worries me about this most of all is the fact that the issue has been ignored by the MSM from the start. I’ve heard no commentator ask why Obama refused to show the vault birth certificate. I only hear cries of ‘racism’ etc. if one dares ask that question. Compare that to the energy devoted by the MSM to obtain documentation about Bush’s military record… and there are magnitudes of difference in the consequences between the two issues.
I fear that the media is not only demonstrably biased, but is unwilling to even address an issue that may be detrimental to Obama. I doubt if 1 in a 100 people know about Obama’s refusal to produce the vault certificate. I doubt if 1 in a 1000 know the difference between the vault birth certificate and a certification of birth or why the difference is important.
How many other issues will not be touched by the media?
God save America. We know the liberal media won’t, the liberal courts won’t, and the politicians won’t.
Actually, Happy2BeHere, the voters would not have been able to vote for Obama if any of this was proven as fact – that he either was not born in the USA *or* had his citizenship changed by his mother because the SecOfState of the individual states would not have been able to list him as a viable candidate.
Republic = Rule of law
Democracy = Rule of mob popular opinion
Our nation was founded as
A Constitutional Republic, NOT A Democracy.
The MSM and Educational system have repeated the lie of
“the USA is a Democracy”
so many times that now many people believe it.
They believe that the popular vote should determine the next President, even though the Constitution says no such thing.
The Electoral College Electors are scheduled to meet in their respective states on December 15th and vote for Constitutionally-eligible candidates for President and Vice-President.
Obama may be a “native” born citizen of the U.S., but he is not a “natural” born citizen.
He is not eligible for the office he seeks.
Our founders knew that every Democracy in the history of the world had failed. (Notably failing at the point in time at which the majority realizes that they can vote themselves money from the Treasury).
It is shocking that our Republic has been turned into a Democracy in front of our very eyes. The Constitution and the Rule of Law no longer seem to matter… the only thing that seems to matter is that Obama won the popular vote.
As strange as this may seem to some,
at the same time that I weep for my country,
I give thanks.
With all that is at stake here we need to stand and be counted. It is We The People >Who must demand that all of our elected officials do one thing that we have let slide for far far too long. Upon taking office they all swear to uphold the Constitution Of The United States from all enemies including from within.
The SCOTUS is not a lifetime Appointment, if you read the actual Constitution. They can be and have been removed for as little as drinking in public ( conduct unbecoming a Justice) so we must hold them to their OATH OF OFFICE to uphold as written the Laws of The Land. They DON’T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE OR MAKE LAW FROM THE BENCH. EACH WRITING FROM THE COURT IS A “OPINION” AND THAT IS WHAT 9 MEN HAVE…. ONLY A OPINION!!!!!!!!
Even though it is a legit question this issue will not get traction. Might as well let it go.
What’s really interesting is the sorts of stories starting to come out now in the MSM. We are hearing about the fanatic left getting upset with Obama. We are seeing questions being presented to him that were not presented during any portion of his campaign.
To think a network program would question Obama’s bad habit of smoking was not even an option a few weeks ago.
The medial loves to build up and then it loves to tear down what it has built.
I hope someone does an FOIA on the birth certifiate and school records, if possible.
This is the point Michelle and other’s miss. IF the TRUTH comes out and it shows that Obama was not constitutionally qualified to run for president, then we have a crises. Any citizen can claim that the government is no longer legitimate. That would also include the military which could then say that they no longer need to take orders from him.
So to avoid this we would see the coverup. Remember where there is a coverup, there is a conspiracy.
#45 Thank You, I do know that – it was a rhectorical question. However, your point is a very good one.
At this point in time, the SCOTUS Docket for the Donofrio case has not been updated.
Man, have I got the typos today!
Ordinarily I respect Horowitz but this is a pretty bad editorial. Sounds like something out of Slate or New Republic.
What the hell does that mean? Is he arguing for a “living constitution” or what? Conservatives are supposed to respect the Constitution.
What do these problems have to do with whether or not Obama is constitutionally allowed to be president? Is he saying that because socialists and collectivists have been successful enough in their propaganda to cause “profound disagreements” in society that we shouldn’t be concerned about the Law?
Geez. Give us a better argument than THIS.
The whole point of the Supreme Court is to adjudicate matters of constitutionality, 64 million votes or not be damned. In fact the electoral college was designed by the founders as a counterpoint TO those 64 million votes.
We are a system of checks and balances, not just between the three branches of government, but between the GOVERNMENT and the PEOPLE (and their 64 million votes). Otherwise we are a MOBOCRACY, not a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
Horowitz, give me something better than this emotional drivel. You argue against constitutional examinations of the matter at hand, in order to save the constitution. That is the worst kind of illogic.
Here is the SCOTUS document showing the denial.
One other thing:
This part is not an argument, it is deflection and is used every minute of every hour of every day by collectivists on MSNBC.
It’s disgusting, Horowitz. How could you?
I made the same argument, I could not believe that he is arguing for a living breathing Constitution. I guess his liberal upbringing is coming back to haunt us all.
Wow – the American economy lost 533,000 jobs last month and look what you people are talking about – are there any true patriots on this web site?
I understand the fraud that Obama is and that we don’t know who he is( well we do, but you get my drift). But I’m just saying this tact that ended up with the expected SCOTUS ruling was wrong from the get go. You remember how easy it was to get info on Joe the Plumber? Well, in Hawaii perhaps there is such an industrious employee at the government. (I’m just sayin…..)
I really don’t like the stupid theories of conspiracy , however, I do have an issue with using a State Law to deprive me and my country of a Constitutional ditate that determines if my president is qualified or not. It is a simple requirement and is spelled out very carefully. I would even think the Supremes could read it and not have to interpret it with difficulty.
The feds can blackmail states with unfunded or funded mandates. OK with the Supremes. They managed to remove property rights by legislating from the bench.
So Supremes who exactly is supposed to have authority to make sure my President is qualified under a very simple Constitutional requirement. Uh , I had to produce my birth certificate when I let my drivers license expire, in order to get a new one.
If this is the way of the future , then, Auhnold the Californian can run for president. All he has to do is say he was born in Mass. and he doesn’t have to prove it.
Pretty spineless for a court with such great courage on other issuies.
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BREAKING NEWS:
Obama-appointee Bill Richardson tells media, “Obama is an immigrant.”
He says it in Spanish: “Obama esta uno immigrante.”
VIDEO:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/huh_what_does_bill_richardson.html
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Howowitz argument that it’s not up to the court to “invalidate” invalid votes? Then by that logic, certainly the CA court can’t hear any challenges to Prop 8 now can they?
I’d rather have 64 million votes voided by the Constitution than have 64 million votes void the Constitution without the due process defined in the document.
I think it’s time for us to stop quoting the Constitution. We let it go too far, and we lost.
On December 8th, 2008 at 11:41 am, ITookTheRedPill said:
Republic = Rule of law
Democracy = Rule of mob popular opinion
Our nation was founded as
A Constitutional Republic, NOT A Democracy.
The problem here is that you all haven’t decided on one Conspiracy. I respect that you’re covering all ground, but really?
I mean, is his birth certificate fake? Is the document he produced real but not his birth certificate, only his certification of birth. Regardless of his birth certificate or his certifcation of birth, are they moot because he lived in Indonesia? His he British because his father was British? Did his adopted father renounce Obama’s American citizenship in Indonesia? Is Obama a American, British AND Indonesian citizen? Was he born in Kenya, but had the presence of mind to add a birth annoucement to an Hawaiian paper just in case people had questions in the future?
Looks like Michelle has a new chapter for her Unhinged book.
Constitution? We don’t need no stinkin Constitution. We can be like the Brits and French and do whatever we want. Rights? You mean those privileges the Powers give you at their discretion?
If defending the constitution is a conspiracy so be it. Why will the man not let his birth certificate be released? We HAD a rather rigid and stern procedure for amending our Constitution–but Mr. Horowitz and such seem to feel it can be amended and repealed by a mere majority vote in any single election. Oh dread the thought, but it has come to that. Conspiracy Theory?
Well my Conspiracy Theory deniers think of this: after 9/11 Congress passed the Patriot Act. Any Federal law enforcement agent can self write a search warrant and rummage around you life, seize assets, persons and papers. Our Fourth Amendment is toast. Now Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder has that power.
McCain-Feingold put a serious blot on the First Amendment as it applies to Freedom of Speech – a fine precursor to the new Fairness Doctrine and Ministry of Truth.
And when the next Emperor Diocletian comes after we Christians we can chalk it up to a Conspiracy Theory. But at least the Jews will be gone first. No messy Constitution-that Bill of Negative Rights it is-to get in the way. Dance with the Devil Mr. Horowitz and you just might get burned.
Remember Rudy Ridge-that was a conspiracy too.
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Are my eyes deceiving me? “What difference does it make?” Mr. Horowitz, the Constitution does trump 64 million voters. If it is that important, let the 64 million work on an amendment.
The wording of the released statement from Dr. Chiyome Fukino is very exact. Something that the Clintons excelled at.
I have highlighted my area of question which does not answer the true question.
And this has been overlooked as well.
http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/hawaiian-health-department.html
Can someone please tell me what a “natural-born citizen” is?
Waterboyz,
This is a good point. Despite Hawaii’s laws concerning privacy and your birth certificate – this is a Dem machine state, and I think her people could have gotten a look.
But it’s very odd the US doesn’t require proof of birth…
Waterboyz,
Specifically, what information is being sought?
Has anybody made a list of stuff that Mr. and Mrs. BO has refused to make public?
Worship of the false prophet trumps the U.S. Constitution.
JD… Can you Verify Richardson said ” Obama is an Immigrant”?
I do not speak or understand Spanish.. I speak American quite well tho…lol
Yes.
They SAW a BC. They did not report what they had read. Like the difference between “heard” and “listened”.
Richardson says, “Obama esta uno immigrante.” That’s what I hear.
Google translate says this means:
“Obama is an immigrant.”
But I took French in high school.
I was floored by the poor reasoning Horowitz laid out in his editorial. It is pure emotion with no logic. It is not the kind of argument I expect from him. We are in for a mess when good conservative minds start spouting this kind of nonsense.
It has been clear for many years that corruption has found it’s way into the very highest reaches of our government. So this latest decision comes as no suprise, we are being ruled, not governed. When we demand secure borders, we are told NO. When we demand fair and honest elections we are told No. When we demand Less government, we are told NO. So until Americans get angry enough to take action, we will continue to be RULED.
So you’re implying that those Hawaiian offficials are hiding the fact that Obama was indeed born outside of the United States, and that the birth certificate says as much. You believe that this indeed is a conspiracy.
ODS ODS ODS ODS ODS ODS ODS ODS…one post after another
Not sure which challenge this was, but the article states:
Which is the one by Berg and the only one I knew about before.
Futheremore, the reason why the put out that statement regarding that they saw a birth certificate originally, the complaint was that he did not have a Hawaii birth certificate. After he produceed his certification of birth, the complaint changed to that not being enough. After the Hawaiian officials confirmed that he does have a birth certificate, the complaint is now that we don’t know what information is ON the birth certificate, that we first accused him of not having.
I have no idea what the truth is on this issue. Maybe Obama is a natural-born citizen, maybe he’s not. I just know that it’s a little weird that he could clear this whole thing up so, so easily and he hasn’t done it.
I was stunned when the RNC lackeys came outlast year and called Conservatives pariahs.
Now, I am stunned that Conservative media is calling its listeners pariahs for questioning Obama’s citizenship.
This is a very sad day for me. I am very disappointed in Michelle and the others for painting average Conservatives like me and others as some kind of fringe kooks.
Truly, the end of America as we knew it is at hand.
I disagree that he could clear things up so easily. What specifically would you want him to do? Release his birth certificate and his certification of birth? If so, to whom? If they do indeed say that he was born in Hawaii, what does that clear up? We’ve already have had allegations that the documents already released are fake.
Futhermore, that would only prove that he has an Hawaiian birth certificate, not that he was born in Hawaii, as some posters pointed out. What then?
We have already gone way down the rabbit hole, and for some people, there is no coming out.
On December 8th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, mpChops said:
Defining Natural-Born Citizen
Natural Born Citizen vs. Native Born Citizen
“STAND BY ME…”
the State of Hawaii issued ‘certificate of live birth’ throughout the early ’60s, regardless of place of birth. It was routine. It is not the same as a birth certificate.
No, we are asking him to make his birth certificate available to public scrutiny. If you can not see the difference take two aspirin, drink plenty of fluids and rest.
When The Gulag Archipelago-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, came out we were told that too was a conspiracy–it never happened. The talk of famine in the Ukraine was a conspiracy too.
The world is indeed turned upside down.
Or as JerryBoy Wright might say “God Damn America-It is in the Bible”.
A ray of hope? Donofrio says:
I am really offended at the classification of “nut” or “truther”
ALL PEOPLE ALL PARTIES should want the complete release of all his information. Everything he sealed, (college transcripts, health records, selective service, passports, attorney client records etc.) should be available.
That I am painted as a nut for wanting this by fellow conservatives makes me think I have gone to crazytown. Most of us (i think) are not clinging to some notion that we can invalidate the election and save the country from Obama. BUT we do think that if we have to endure his presidency starting out like this is grievous insult to injury.
Why “conservative” pundits are not banging the drum for release of everything concealed for PRINCIPLE’S SAKE is beyond me.
ITookTheRedPill,
I’ve read the extensive Federalist site previously, and this one line catches my eye:
Emphasis mine.
They base the rest of their assertation on that premise, which itself is a assumption.
The reason i asked initially is because the phrase “natural-born citizen” is ambiguous. Are we really suggesting, as some would like to argue, that if a man’s father is born in England, marries and impregnates an American woman in Philadelphia with the baby being born in Philadelphia, that baby is not legally able to become the President of the United States?
On December 8th, 2008 at 12:36 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:
Indeed. And how about this:
He wasn’t wrong; he was right. And I contend the problem is worse now than it was then.
For the Democrats who comment here:
Please tell me how the agenda of the Democratic Party differs from the agenda of the Communist Party USA (Program, Constitution).
What is “public scrutiny”? It’s an empty, feel good phrase. Do you want him to mail you it with the promise that you’ll mail it back?
The Supreme Court decision doesn’t surprise me. They’ve been avoiding definitive answers on many subjects, constitutional or otherwise, over the years. When they do rule, they leave enough ambiguity to not correct the root problem before it.
Just because the Supreme Court didn’t hear the case or even comment on it doesn’t validate those, including Michele Malkin, who consider this just a “conspiracy”. The question of where Obama was actually born and his meeting the Constitutional requirement to be President still is not answered.
With our Constitutional rights slowly being whittled away; close elections that can’t be trusted because of voter fraud; and more and more government intervention into all aspects of our lives, people should not be surprised when the apathy sets in and fewer and fewer participate in the so-call “Democratic” process.
Hawaiian officials have contended they do indeed have the birth certificaet that you refer to. However, the contention now is that the birth certificate does not say he was born in Hawaii, and the officials are misleading us.
FactCheck.org
“Why didn’t he?”
It is in his and the Dems best interest to have it out there so they are able to point at and ridicule what they will label “Right Wing Conservative Republican Nuttiness” (Any or all)
No matter what ones political leanings, we all end up carrying the stink of “Truthers”….be it 9/11 Bush did it!, Obama Birth, JFK Theories, Davinci Codes, etc.
I long for the old days when it was just Lyndon Larouche followers.