Supreme Court turns down Obama citizenship appeal
The high court makes a decision, but the conspiracies will never end.
You know my position on this matter.
Now, the Supreme Court has weighed in:
The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election.
Here’s David Horowitz’s take.
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Frankly, it is very offensive for anyone to state that those of us who want to KNOW that the man about to assume the office of the president is legally eligible to do so.
What is offensive is that so many people who have an obligation to check Obama’s eligibility on our behalf have failed and refused to do so.
I don’t know if Obama is eligible or not. I SHOULD KNOW. I HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW. The government, increasingly ignoring the will of the governed, keeps telling me I have no right. That is offensive.
And Obama could clear this up in 30 minutes or less by producing the birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have on file.
Hey DH! Listen up you toolbag! I’ll explain it so even you can understand it! This is not sore loserism, this is one of many taxpaying citizens trying to find answers about the man that has been ramrodded through to the Whitehouse. No thanks in small part to a watercarrying liberal media. I want the letter and spirit of the Constitution followed. If it means that 64 million votes be disallowed because it turns out he does not qualify, then so be it. Whose fault is that? We rely upon the media to inform us about our candidates. It appears they did not do their jobs. Let me ask you this, how many of those votes might have been swayed the other way, if people knew up front, that the man was not a natual born US citizen? You don’t know and you can’t say. Follow the Constitution, it works every time. Just because you and the rest of the elitist snotpickers don’t have the courage of your convictions, doesn’t mean the same for the rest of us sore loserists!
On December 8th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, mpChops said:
If the father became a naturalized U.S. Citizen before the child was born, then the child was born on U.S. soil with two U.S. Citizen parents, and is therefore a Natural born citizen.
If the father was still a British subject at the time the child was born, then by British law the father’s British citizenship is passed to the child. The child therefore is NOT a Natural born citizen of the U.S., even though the child is a “native born U.S. citizen”.
Read this.
ITookTheRedPill ,
To add to my earlier comment about the father being an English subject, I offer this situation.
If a father is born and England, and his child born in the US and we contend that his child is not a natural born citizen because he owes allengience to England, as the Federalist blog contest, than can the son’s son be a natural born citizen? With the reasoning put forth in the blog, they cannot. Therefore, using that logic, the only way any generation of that family can EVER have legal standing to run for the Presidency is if a female in that family bears a child with a male who’s ancestors were original members of the Colonies.
Please READ Obamas OWN WEBSITE!!!
The Factcheck article…
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Why would he ever have to renounce ANYTHING?
FactCheck.org is an Obama foundation and the copy they have on the net is a forgery.Here is the proof.
Here is what a real Birth Certificate looks like in Hawaii, note they were no laser printers in 1961 because they had not been invented yet.
Literally, there is no one left in the USA with the power AND the will to enforce our Constitution. Let’s just nullify the whole thing to simplify things for our fraudulent president-elect.
ITookTheRedPill,
The Chester Arthur peice doesn’t really tell anything because it doesn’t address the real issue, which is ‘What is a natural born citizen”?
It seems now that argument is reduced to this: If another country says that you are a citizen of that country, you cannot be a natural born citizen of the United States.
Is that correct?
On December 8th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:
Amen!
This is not a partisan issue. There are many patriots from the Democrat, Republican, Constitution, and Libertarian parties (and possibly others) who all want the letter and spirit of the Constitution followed.
I wrote the following almost a month ago:
WarEagle82,
That simply isn’t true. The argument has already morphed away from that. The argument now isn’t that he wasn’t born in the United States, but that since he father was a British subject, Obama is only an “citizen born in the US”, and not a “natural-born citizen”. The birth certificate being released for “public scrutiny” would not resolve that issue, so nothing would be cleared.
You say it as if they are always the same.
Do you feel that, Constitutionally, Hillary Clinton can become Secretary of State?
Almost. It’s not just what someone in some other country “says”, it’s what the rule of law shows.
Obama does not dispute that British law made him a British subject by birth.
Anyone who was a citizen of another country cannot be a natural born citizen of the United States, and cannot be POTUS.
For the Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces, it can be no other way.
No, and I have a hard time believing that is how you think it is framed.
Natural born citizen is not a terribly difficult term and concept for most people to understand–even a Liberal or a Cave Man should be able to.
You ignore the obvious. If Obama produced an original birth certificate almost everyone would be satisfied and simply go about our business. It is the fact that he won’t do so that drives more and more people wonder what he is hiding. There is NO reason for Obama to continue to hide the document. It is the first step in debunking all these claims and law suits. Once a valid document is produced the claims fall apart.
I have to produce my birth certificate to get a Social Security card. Do you mean to claim that assuming the office of the president should require any less proof?
Spoken like a liberal. It’s not about how I “feel”. It’s about the rule of law.
Hillary Clinton is not constitutionally eligible to become Secretary of State until two years from now. She can’t take the office immediately after the session in which the pay was increased. A two-year session of congress must pass before she is eligible.
What’s good for the gander (Obama) is good for the goose (Clinton).
RULE. OF. LAW.
Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States.
My head hurts, it’s still early out here in the Pacific….
I’m a simple guy, I like simple explanations, “natural-born” sounds to me like the way someone in the 1700s would say “native”…
(could be wrong of course)
I love where I was born, even though my parents were not from there – I’d never be convinced I wasn’t “natural-born” there.
Perfect forgeries take time. His people have to get original paper, ink, printer, typewriter… I feel confident that eventually we will get to see the “original birth certificate”.
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Posted on the other thread:
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Ok, so MM has doubled the snotty attitude, and now feels that SCOTUS, which looks to other nations to set laws instead of following OUR Constitution, has learned infallibility.
The snotty tone of this post has made my decision for me. I don’t need to come here to keep up with what I need to know to work toward preserving Constitutional Principles.
Goodbye everyone! It was fun to argue ideas with everyone here, but I’m too old to waste time at a place & with a person who professes to love the Constitution but doesn’t even care enough to investigate it. SCOTUS is wrong here, and as everyone was with the Clintons, it will come to light. I won’t look here for MM to admit it, she seems incapable of that. She deals only in condescention, not humility.
Goodbye Michelle. I thought you were better than this.
No, it’s not “morphed”. You are just confused about the fact that there are three different cases at the SCOTUS right now, and the arguments of Berg differ from the arguments of Donofrio and Wrotnowski.
I don’t know about any of you but I’m a little P O’d about being refered to as a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.
Wow Michelle blew it on Saturday and David Horowitz is screwing up today on this. Why should snotty little Obama get a pass on proving eligibility when John McCain lept up immediately and provided proof when challenged?
What’s good enough for Joahn McCain is good enough for Obama. THere is someting wrong on that birth certificate that will bring shame and embarrassment on Obama
Yes I know Donofrio is/was challanging Obama from another angle which I also agree with. Obama is a foreign import. He is not a real American. He’s a socialist citizen of the world type.
Team- Take it from me- I’m working this issue ‘from the front’. There are leads that take us far from where you see this in the media right now- Kenya nor HI are where one needs to be looking.
This is not some whacko effort; if these guys can get away with it, where is our Constitution?
There is much more at stake than you can realize..
Wolf
On December 8th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, AlohaGuy said:
You were “native born” there.
You were not “natural born” there.
I have a hard time accepting Free Republic as credible. Do you have a different source?
I have been very outspoken on this issue: Obama the Dual Citizen is not a “Natural Born citizen” by the text of the U.S. Constitution.
So has SCOTUS punted the issue? Hardly.
First, the DNC and Secs of State for the 50 States around this union were charged under ELECTION LAW to certify the candidates. That is to say, they are NOT ordered to do this by the Constitution. They are only ordered by state law.
Only the Electoral College is, by the text of the Constitution and its Amendments. So, to SCOTUS, the real issue is, what will the Electoral College do? Will they certify the candidates, or simply elect a President-elect and a VP-elect. After that point, CONGRESS must certify the results of the election. Once that occurs, but BEFORE a President Obama could be sworn in, someone in the MILITARY, or a JUDGE, could then, take umbrage with Obama, claiming that they cannot uphold their Constitutional Oath if Obama is seated. This claim would have legal and Constitutional standing in Federal court, as the Constitutional Oath is a Federally-issued one.
Yes, this would be a “Constitutional-Crisis”, which is why the Supremes would be interested.
By the Constitution, a CITIZEN has no say in this matter. Only someone SWORN to uphold the Constitution can object to the seating of a non-Natural Born citizen, as their options become limited at that point. They are charged by law to act to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution. As no one would be allowed by the Secret Service to physically act, the only open option would be a legal recourse.
Donofrio attempted to have the New Jersey ballots invalidated due to the non-certification process exhibited by the NJ Sec of State, which by law as a NJ resident, he could challenge in court. There were flaws in the lower court’s handling of his case, including a mischaracterization of his case by the clerk of the court. With these issues, unfortunately, it’s unlikely SCOTUS would hear the case.
The Cort case remakes Donofrio’s argument, is on Justice Scalia’s desk right now, and could still see the light of day.
For the reasons above, I believe only someone who MUST act, due to the Constitutional Oath, will have proper legal standing, in the eyes of the Supreme Court.
Someone made a very good point about the silence on this issue in spite of all the information to justify Obama is a fraud. All of the voices on the right who are supposed to advocate for our principles have been totally silent. I have stopped watching the news, listening to talk radio and even visiting many internet sites who are supposed to be our voices. I thought this site was one of our advocates for truth and fairness, but am not sure what MM meant by, “You know where I stand on this issue…???”
Just to be clear, Mr. Phillip Berg’s case hasn’t been heard by the Supreme Court yet. This is the same democrat lawyer who sued McCain about his citizenship. McCain showed all the proper documentation and Obama has spent millions blocking release of his actual documents.
I wish the Supreme Court had gone ahead and heard the case.
It would not have reversed the election.
It would have made Obama produce a real birth certificate
It would have put finality to something that will now come up over and over again
I am hanging around anyway and hope things get better. All this talk about “British Law”-”What is a Natural Born Citizen” and such remind me of Is is is?
How easy it is for some to ditch our Constitution as a matter of convenience. Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States? Why? What is left of it? Cheap iPods and sneakers do not impress.
Oh well, 1967/68 is was the Hobo Wood, Nuy Dau Bihn and A Shau Valley/ maybe now my own home. Perhaps William Ayres can get a Brigade of BroBama’s Civilian Defense Farce-The Peoples Liberation Army- and end this argument. Camps, not conspiracies!
In 1945 the peoples of Eastern Europe cheered the arrival of the Red Army-little realizing their long nightmare had but begun.
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“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.
Gee, just think of how much time, effort and angst could’ve been saved by all those folks filing court cases against Obammy. Michelle and David Horowitz could’ve just called them troofers and told them it doesn’t matter and to go away. Sarc off/
Likewise, Mike Musculus, I’ve also enjoyed the witty, educated and sometimes ingenious comments made by the folks who post here. MM used to be my first stop of the day on the ‘puter. No more. I’m done.
When asking for proof of someone’s eligibility to rule the free world is considered “Tinfoilhatville,” that’s more than enough. I’ll check in with Drudge for the latest news until I find a truly conservative,
snark-free blog.
It’s been a slice. Bye, all. SandyB
Can you stop being so sanctimonious for one second. Yes, Rule of Law. However, a phrase in the law is not clear. So to keep saying Rule of Law is besides the point. Putting an absolute rule on an ambigious law serves no purpose. Rule of Law is not an answer, but an escape.
Right now, the British government can legally grant George Bush British citizenship. Not easily, but legally. Would them granting Bush British citizenship make it unconstitutional for Bush to continue being our President? Of course not!
Wow! I just looked at Michelle’s, “You know my position on this matter.” Mostly about Trig and a deflection about Berg’s sanity because he is a 9/11 truther? Wow! Very little about many of the facts surrounding Obama and his actual citizenship.
What about Jerome Corsi MM. Why have you and our conservative brethern been so silent about the Obama Odinga ties? What is it that you are afraid of?
Natural born citizen, as generally understood, meant a citizen being born in this country and its terrorities. Now, we are modifying this meaning to include the parents of the citizen being born. But no, the parents but just the father. And you’re saying that THAT definition is a clear definition of “natural born citizen”?
I realize it. The man was registered at a school in the capital city of the world’s most populous Muslim nation (Jakarta, Indonesia). He was registered under his adopted name, as an Indonesian citizen, and with religion: ISLAM. He traveled to Pakistan in 1981, possibly using an Indonesian passport. He allowed his book to be printed in Indonesia with not a poorly-translated title, but rather a completely new title which implies to Indonesian Muslims:
The only two documents he has released are both forgeries:
Certification of Live Birth
Selective Service Registration
Oh, but MM apparently thinks we tinfoil-hat wearing conservatives should just honor the popular vote, instead of the Constitution, and STHU.
Agreed, why has it become so difficult to show a legal birth certificate, school documents. Why has Odumbo not been forth coming to all Americans and prove who he is. I do not question his citizenship in the hopes he will be determined a fraud and become ineligible to be president. I want all candidates, government representatives, on any level in any branch of government, to abide by the laws of the country and the constitution. That is all, I am not a conspiracy theorist, only an American loving conservative. Without belief and faith in the U.S. Constitution we as the greatest country in the history of mankind, we are doomed to failure.
No, I am not confused at all. Again, I said that things wouldn’t be cleared up with just a release of the birth certificate, as others believe. If I am being unclear, maybe you can help them see that releasing it would not clear up the dispute regarding Obama’s impending presidency.
The US Constitution does not require him to release those documents, and he has satisfied his qualifications for Presidency to the branches of government put forth in that document.
What you desire has nothing to do with the Constitution.
Considering that Obama has NOT been straight forward or truthful about ANYTHING, why do you so quickly assume that he was born in Hawaii Michelle?
You seem to be the one in the tin foil hat now.
I have a suggestion FOR EVERYONE…
Call or Email your States Secretary of State and ASK… Have ALL the Electors been given FULL DISCLOSURE…
I mean by rights, they are the ones SPEAKING for ALL THE PEOPLE (even the ones who lost). I would think if ANYBODY deserves to know who is who, The ELECTORAL COLLEGE should. Right?
Ah, I see the mindset that you’ve brought with you. The documents that have released: forgeries. The stories told: lies. Obama is in fact a Muslim, and we must do everything in our power to protect ourselves from him, Constitution be damned.
I particularly enjoyed this one sentence from the site you linked to:
And this, from a person so intent on “Rule of Law”. You’re full of it.
The British government can not change the fact that George W. Bush was a Natural born citizen at birth.
The British government can not take away George W. Bush’s U.S. citizenship.
Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama can not change the fact that he was a British subject at birth.
Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama may very well have renounced his U.S. citizenship if he used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981.
On December 8th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, madchef said:
Um, because the document has long since been released?
Oh, and if that’s not good enough for you, how about this?
This is not a case of “innocent until proven guilty”.
This is a case of “ineligible until proven eligible”.
Obama’s fraudulent COLB does not prove he is a natural born citizen.
I guess if Obama can get away with it, why not Arnold Scwartzenager if he choses to run for President? Now that we know that the clause in the Constitution is a suggestion and not a legal requirement.
He won’t have to produce a birth certificate. Why should he? Obama didn’t have to. Oh wait, I guess he can pay someone to photoshop someone else’s and post it on his Arnold for President web site.
Pay no attention to his heavy accent – he only has it because he was born in the deep dairy country of Wisconsin where he learned to yodel and that’s how they talk there. Or maybe he can claim he was born in Maine or Massachusetts – they have funny accents there that could be passed off as Austrian sounding.
Barack Hussein Obama II (also known as Indonesian citizen Barry Soetoro) is one of the most “undocumented” Presidential Candidates in history:
2) Despite his blatant betrayal of his promise to be “open, honest, and transparent“, there is still sufficient evidence in the public record for a reasonable person to question whether Obama is both a Crypto-Marxist and Crypto-Jihadist.
Ignore the warning signs at your own peril.
Don’t claim later that no one “connected the dots”.
The Constitution can protect us from this usurper, but only if we support and defend the Constitution.
Fact check is run by Annenberg.
Remember Annenberg?
As in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge?
You know, that board where Obama and his “family friend” Bill Ayers served together.
Stop hiding behind Fact Check. Produce the vault copy birth certificate (to satisfy part of the Berg lawsuit) and let the Supreme Court rule on the Natural Born issue w/r/t the British citizenship (Donofrio and Wrotnowski lawsuits).
To quote Michelle Malkin:
to coin a phrase….”For the first time in my life I am ashamed of my country and what it has become”. Never before in our history has a man ascended to the presidency who so little is known about…truly scary in MHO….where’s the pukey icon…
I’m far from being a conspiracy theorist… but I must say that I do find it strange how after all of this controversy not one hospital staffer has spoken out to say that Barack Obama was born at such and such hospital in Hawaii?
Wouldn’t it be a badge of honor for a hospital to be able to claim that their facility was the birthplace of a US President??
A mere seven years after 9/11, I am shocked at how flippantly some people treat this.
Soetoro/Obama has done everything in his power to suppress all evidence of his past.
Do you really believe that Soetoro/Obama wasn’t supported by any Communist and/or Jihadist money when he disabled credit card security on his web site?
Wake up, Neo…
Your reply had nothing to do with my statement you have hi-lighted, you went off in another direction.
It certainly does, one has to be eligible to become president, he has not proven he is.
On December 5th, 2008 at 11:09 am, jangar said:
A long overdue “Thank you” to you, jangar.
On December 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, Fat Jolly Penguin said:
On December 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, ScottyDog said:
I have a hard time accepting Free Republic as credible. Do you have a different source?
Of course there is a union card check law fight coming and a socialized medicine fight coming. But this is what people on the “right” are getting bent out of shape about.
If Stanley was a citizen so is Barry. If he was born in Hawaii he is a citizen. That is the law. This is a waste of time.
They are just laughing at this whole thing.
The REASON I put Factcheck on my post (#104) is because IT SAID HE WAS NOT A NATURALIZED CITIZEN !
His own website admitting it by spilling the beans on HIS DAD…
Did his dad renounce his British Citizenship? If not… Barry is British.
I think you know that we will be prepared to battle again on both fronts.
If you think it’s just people on the Right then you clearly haven’t been paying attention. I guess we should all wait around for people in the know to tell us what we should stand up and fight for… or against.
Yep. You haven’t been paying attention.
My thoughts exactly! Think of the bucket loads of cash the lucky Hawaiian hospital involved would be able to generate in donations by laying claim to such an historic event – strange that not one has stepped forward to accept the honor…very strange!
1) It is factually incorrect to call Obama “President-elect”. The Presidential election has not been held yet.
2) My guess is that the Islamic capital where Obama wants to speak is…Jakarta, Indonesia. That was, after all, the starting point of his “Assault Hope”.
The Great Obingo is acting as though he is above the rule of law.
The FEC and the DNC have been remiss in their duties by not submitting an authentic BIRTH CERTIFICATE (which is not the same as a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH)…..this is massive election fraud.
Give HoHo Dean and orange jumpsuit. I dont care if some conservative wannabeez call me a tin foil hat wearing whatever.
Produce the paper Obingo.
Sharia here we come.
I think we need to have some patience. Obama is a problem, that by all indications, will take care of itself.
Here is a man, thrust into the limelight from one of the most politically corrupt areas of the country. His assendence carries with it, baggage, of which is already over-stuffed. It will certainly spring open sooner rather than later.
He is an amatuer who is surrounding himself with myriads of corruptocrats. The opportunity for impeachment is going to be wide open, unless some crazy gets to him first, God forbid!
The unproductive of this country wanted “change,” but like many things in life, when liberal politicians are involved, it pays to get their definition of words before you lend support. Obama’s supporters wanted him to “spread the wealth” and it will tickle me no end when they realize they are going to have to share the pain as well.
Not just the hospital, but also a doctor or nurse in attendance would be on Oprah in a heartbeat.
No this guy was born in Kenya and the birth was recorded in Hawaii.
While I normally love Michelle’s point of view, the idea that we citizens are buying into a conspiracy theory rather than working with available facts on this does not make sense, and it actually adds impetus to an all out effort to skirt the Constitution.
We are going to be left with a situation for another eight years potentially where again a significant portion of the population considers the president to be illegitimate.
Read more Citizen Lite V Citizen Rights
HIPPA protects the privacy of records for people who are alive, and not those who are deceased.
Barry’s mother should have been a patient at a hospital if Barry was in fact born in hospital there (as his sister has said he was). Another blogger surveyed each and every hospital on the island of Oahu, and not a single one of them had any records of Stanley Ann being a patient there in August 1961.
Yet we know there Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was there when Barry was born at a hospital in Kenya.
On December 8th, 2008 at 2:19 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:
You wouldn’t happen to have any proof of your own, would you? You know who else does that? Troofers.
How can our troops be expected to put their lives on the line for a Commander-in-Chief who hasn’t even put his original Birth Certificate on the line?
There have been a few commenters on this blog who have tried to put down those of us who have legitimate concerns about his place of birth by saying to the effect, “Well, why would his mother SAY he was born in Hawaii if he wasn’t? Did she somehow know he would run for President one day?”
To which I say, I doubt that any such thing crossed that 18-year-old’s mind. However, despite her views about this country, she still knew the US was the best place to bring up a child. Which is why she sent him back to the US from his home in Indonesia. She also had enough sense to realize that she could take advantage of Hawaii’s lax birth “certification” law to shoehorn her son into US citizenship.
I expect to be pilloried, but here goes….
Can someone explain to me what difference the natonality of Obama’s father makes, considering that the United States does NOT legally recognize dual citizenship? According to U.S. law (I think it’s Title 8 USC, but I’m mobile right now and can’t check), Obama’s citizenship passes to him through his mother, and would have no matter where his father was from.
I’m also perplexed by the natual born vs. native born argument. I couldn’t find any U.S. case law which differentiates between the two terms.
Personally, I think that Obama using an Indonesian passport to travel abroad after attaining the age of majority is a FAR more compelling argument, but that’s just me.
Truth: The Adhan is the Islamic call to prayer, and begins with four recitals of the words “Allahu Akbar” ([translated] “Allah is The Greatest”), followed by two recitals each of [translated] “I bear witness that there is no deity except Allah” and [translated] “I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”.
Truth: Barack Hussein Obama chose to proudly recite, repeatedly, with a first-rate accent, the same words (“Allahu Akbar“) that were the last words of the 9/11 hijackers whose intended target was the US Capitol Building.
Truth: Barack Hussein Obama chose to proudly recite, repeatedly, with a first-rate accent, the words that convince many Muslims that he is a Muslim. [Again, translated]:
Question: Has Barack Hussein Obama ever proudly recited, even once,
I’m really beginning to think that people like David Horowitz and (dare I say it) even Michelle are in the business of “conservatism” not for the actual passion and practice of it, but for the money and opportunity it brings.
When Horowitz has the gall to say that “voiding 64 million votes” destroys the Constitution, his own statement wreaks with irony in that allowing Obama access to the office of the Presidency while he could be Constitutionally ineligible destroys our founding document anyway! I’m starting to question the conservatism of Michelle and other bloggers (Medved lost my readership months ago with his support of moderates like McCain and Guiliani) when they ignore a law (a fricking requirement!!!) in our document, and then pass tinfoil hat judgement on people who want that law verified to determine the eligibility of the incoming candidate.
This issue could have been a huge gaping hole in the Obama presidency if it had been pounced upon by these “pseudo-conservatives”. The documents that have been provided have very strong evidence to be forgeries. There’s actually another argument with the alleged fraudulent documents that nobody wants to talk about…read this blog from Lame Cherry about what makes the certification even more fraudulent: political correctness. If somebody could verify that this blogger’s information is accurate, it only adds fuel to the fire on this issue.
On December 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, ScottyDog said:
Your first link is Philip Berg’s website. Have you heard some of the crap behind Berg? Start here. (Courtesy of LGF.)
As for the second link, Atlas Shrugs? You mean the white nationalist sympathizers? Their credibility is shot.
For those of you who are freaking out about FactCheck.org, here’s Snopes saying the same thing.
I’m willing to listen, but I’m not hearing anything but conspiracy theories.
All of which I’m very well aware of. Is it proof that his birth certificate is forged or non-existent?
So for standing up for reason and rationality in the face of unproven conspiracy theories, we’re now “pseudo-conservatives.” Gee, thanks. Not.
Fat Jolly Penguin,
See http://www.Obamaforgery.com
“Certificate of live birth” — Isn’t that what Kate Jackson obtained every time she “had a baby” in that Lifetime movie Empty Cradle?
Red Pill,
I am not sure. But, being the Constitutional scholar that you are, I am sure you are aware of this little clause:
IRONY ???? LOL, how about this:
A Democrat loses an Election by 250 votes and thinks HE ACTUALLY WON!!! So He has the GALL TO QUESTION THE VOTERS… DEMANDS a RECOUNT… And ANOTHER… AND YET ANOTHER!!!
But We The People cannot question a Politician about His/Her qualifications for a position?
IRONY AT ITS WORST!
So on the same day that SCOTUS denied Donofrio’s case:
Justice Scalia referred Wrotnowski’s case to the court and distributed for conference this Friday:
It sounds like Donofrio may have called this correctly earlier today:
On December 8th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:
I see a lot of speculation and doomsdaying, but little or no evidence.
“Does the Constitution still matter?”
“One last chance to fight for our Constitution!”
“The end of the Constitutional republic?”
“Last chance for Constitution?”
In addition, it has articles from the likes of Alan Keyes, who is quite possibly more extreme than Obama on foreign policy in that he wanted to turn over military operations in Iraq to the UN; and Jerome Corsi, someone that I’m frankly astonished so many conservatives are willing to ally with seeing as he’s a 9/11 Troofer and — surprise! — another white nationalist sympathizer.
How do these people have any credibility in your eyes?
Maybe you folks in here can learn a little lesson. Very often on this site I see comments from regulars that attack anyone who disagrees with them and they do it with name calling and disparaging remarks. Now that Michelle has called you all tinfoilhats you can see how insulting comments like that can be and how it does nothing to advance political discourse.
chapoutier,
Of course I’m aware of that.
I never said it was a constitutional requirement.
But the voters of this country would not knowingly vote for a Muslim for President, a mere 7 years after 9/11/2001.
Obama claimed to be a “committed Christian” in order to be elected.
His words and actions, however, reveal him to be much friendly towards Muslims than towards Bible-believing Christians.
Then why are you posting it on a thread discussing Constitutional requirements for presidency?
Let’s see if I can get this to post again, because I can’t see it. Apologies if it’s just my computer wigging out.
On December 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, ScottyDog said:
Your first link is Philip Berg’s website. Have you heard some of the crap behind Berg? Start here.
As for the second link, Atlas Shrugs? You mean the white nationalist sympathizers? Their credibility is shot.
For those of you who are freaking out about FactCheck.org, here’s Snopes saying the same thing.
I’m willing to listen, but I’m not hearing anything but conspiracy theories.
Let me add fuel to the fire:
As to the purported ‘cert. of live birth’ put forward, as you see the document number has been REDACTED; this prevents confirming that the document is indeed valid and legitimate. IF, say, the number is A-123456, and purports to be from 1961, then A-123455 and A-123457 would ALSO likely be from 1961, and that there is no OTHER A-123456 with any different names on it.
Otherwise, A-123456 may be shown to be from say, 1974 or some OTHER time, and not be any such ‘proof’ his mother was in HI at the time of the birth.
Compare this to say, some illegals using forged or ‘borrowed’ SSN’s and documents that actually belong to other people..
Wolf
Ever hear of “identity theft”? Someone could cause a crapload of trouble pretending to be the President.
Snopes? Are you kidding me?
Michelle: You surprise me on this one. As does the NRO. The NRO argues that because 64 million people cast ballots for Barack Obama, the Supreme Court shouldn’t overturn the election.
That’s the same argument used to try to turn around and legalize 20 million illegals – because they are already here, ignore that they entered the country illegally and make them legal after the fact.
These lawsuits started before 64 million people cast ballots for Obama. There has been an attempt for at least 6 months to get Obama to prove that he meets the constitutional requirements. Some of the suits attempted to remove his name for state ballots. At that time, the MSM, Malkin and NRO marked us all as crazies and ignored the situation.
Now that the founding document of the United States has been ignored, we should just shut up and go away?
As someone else said in other discussion threads – if wanting the Constitution to be upheld makes me a truther – then I’ll gladly wear the badge.
On December 8th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
Honestly? Not at all.
The left is bent out of shape about everything. You are perhaps paying too much attention to them.
I think this has been perpetuated by the Obamanation in order to have his enemy’s chase their tails. If you want to chase your tail you certainly don’t need anyone else’s permission.
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
Honestly, there are better constitutional arguments against his presidency than this. The whole “aid and comfort” section in the 14th amendment (Bill Ayres actually declared “war” on the USA.) would probably be better suited to get you to where you want to go.
The best way of keeping him out was to have prevented him from being elected. Some folks were too obsessed with “McShamnisty” to get on board with that though.
On December 8th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, greysheepdog said:
What do you want, then? What would you consider a credible source?
I know that I am late to this ball but I can’t keep silent about this. This makes my blood boil!!!
ODS my arse!!! If this man had been vetted properly BEFORE the election we wouldn’t have this problem. Why is it so much to ask to see an original vault copy of this document? Why is it sealed? It’s the highest office in the in the land if not the world.
And why is asking for this so looked down upon. He hasn’t released ANY information about himself.
To say this is no big deal because votes were already cast and people would be disenfranchised is unacceptable. Why have laws and a constitution? Why not let Schwarzenegger run like he wants to.
DOESN’T ANYONE UNDERSTAND THE DANGEROUS PRECEDENCE THIS SETS???
You can’t undo what’s already been done. Whining about what should have been done over the last two years does absolutely nothing to stop the very bad things I fear he will try to pull on us, starting in a few short weeks.
Worrying about a birth certificate should, at this point, be among the least of our worries. Remember Michelle’s names for the parties? The Republicans are the Stupid Party, not the Democrats. They’re the Evil Party. This guy is everything they’ve dreamed of for at least the last eight years, and likely since Jimmy Carter’s epic fail of a term. They would not make him their candidate if he’s ineligible, not when everything else about him fits so perfectly into their twisted worldview.
Enough evidence has come up to convince me he’s a US citizen. Technically, he’s a US citizen by birthright, as his mother was a citizen. I see this as a complete distraction from everything else he wants to pull on us. We should be gearing up to fight him and the loons in Congress over the next four years, not sitting back and quibbling over minutiae.
In short: he won. Get over it and move on. Do the best you can with what you have.
I’ve been a very strong supporter of MM’s over the years…..she could do no wrong in my eyes…unfortunately, I no longer hold MM in such high regard…she is just like the rest of the sheeple unfortunately….this issue is important on such a fundamental level, yet she unceremoniously dismisses it…throws it in the conspiracy-theory trash heap…..how dare she so blatantly condescend to those who feel otherwise……
There is no conspiracy theories here and no need for tinfoil hats either. All people are asking for is proof that the President elect refuses to provide.
IF he takes the oath of office he will swear to uphold the Constitution. If he will not provide proof that he has a constitutional right to be the President how can we, the people, expect him to uphold the constitution on any level??
Obama has hired several legal FIRMS to keep all this previous legal records away from the public-ALL of them including his medical records. Why would he do that? The medical records dont have a GPA but they do have history all the way back to his birth. Common sense states that there is something HE doesn’t want the public to know. Why not when he has promised transparency, openness, forthwrightness, etc etc.
A bigger question is how did he travel on an Indonesian passport in 1981 unless he is an Indonesian citizen?? His “selective service” app was filled in in 1980 so to me that brings forth another question. Where is the lie???
If you don’t like the rules in the constitution then there are ways to amend it—as of today the Constitution requires the POTUS be a natural born citizen.
There are still two more cases before SCOTUS so this is not a dead issue just yet. If it turns out they choose NOT to hear it based on standing, which is what I suspect will happen as an easy out, then it still doesn’t mean Obama is legimate.
You know that people cannot keep their mouths shut for very long so at some point in the future the truth will come out–probably AFTER he is inaugurated. The truth will be an embarassment to the democrats if it turns out he is NOT a legal citizen,
I can guarantee that from here forward each party will demand legimate proof of eligibility of every candidate before they are ever put out there as a candidate.
“quibbling over minutiae”?!
What a Horowitz-esque statement.
I think you need to get over the fact that there are a lot of us that believe Constitutional requirements are more than ‘minutiae’. Or, at least, they used to be.
On December 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
Seeing as you’ve been proven wrong, yes, they are minutiae. He meets all the Constitutional requirements for the office. I’ve provided a number of links on the subject; perhaps you should read them.
WRONG. This was not the law in 1961. In 1961 in Hawaii, the mother had to be residing in the USA for 5 years from the age of 14 – meaning Obama’s mother would have to be age 19 when he was born. She was 18. Next, being a US Citizen does not make you a “natural born” US Citizen as required by the Constitution.
We repeat these facts over and over and some of you calling us names and setting tinfoil hats on our heads can’t be bothered enough to actual read the facts of the case and why we have the heartburn that we do.
When you take a side in a case, shouldn’t you at least know more than a few surface arguments?
Fat Jolly Penguin said:
I’ve read your comments and your links. You have provided nothing that in any way proves that Barack Obama is a “natural born” US citizen.
In this thread and in ones from last Friday, we have articulated over and over the actual facts which you seem to totally ignore.
1. A Certificate of Live Birth – authenticated by the Secretary of State of Hawaii is NOT proof that one is a Natural Born US Citizen. Hawaii allowed parents to register their children’s births for up to 1 year after they were born. Nothing required documented proof of where the child was born other than a parent’s statement.
If a US citizen’s child was born outside the US by mistake, it would not take much to have them say the child was born in the US – not because of a future presidency but rather because that’s what they wanted. The story is that Obama’s mother tried to come back to the US but was denied because she was too pregnant to fly.
2. How did Obama enter Pakistan in the 1980s?
3. Obama’s school records in Indonesia show that he was registered there as “Barry Sorento”, Indonesian Citizen.
4. Where is Obama’s adult renunciation of this Indonesian Citizenship?
5. Why on earth won’t Barry just show a vaulted copy of his real birth certificate with seal, doctor’s signature, hospital info, etc.?
Some argue that Obama should release his school records. I don’t give a wit about his school records, medical records, marriage license, driver’s license, voter’s registration or any other private document. I merely want to know that the founding document of our country which requires the PONTUS to be a “natural born” citizen is upheld. This because it is the LAW, not because speculation about his religion or anything else.
On December 8th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, katablog said:
I stand corrected. I thought his mother was 19 when he was born.
I never intended to offend, simply to point out the facts.
With respect, your side doesn’t seem to have much more than rumors and hearsay. Obama has produced his certificate of live birth, which is usually the same thing anyway. There’s also the announcement of his birth in the Honolulu Advertiser.
If you can show me something more substantial than what I have been seeing, I’d be more inclined to believe you.