Supreme Court turns down Obama citizenship appeal
The high court makes a decision, but the conspiracies will never end.
You know my position on this matter.
Now, the Supreme Court has weighed in:
The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election.
Here’s David Horowitz’s take.
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“quibbling over minutiae”?!
What a Horowitz-esque statement.
I think you need to get over the fact that there are a lot of us that believe Constitutional requirements are more than ‘minutiae’. Or, at least, they used to be.
On December 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
Seeing as you’ve been proven wrong, yes, they are minutiae. He meets all the Constitutional requirements for the office. I’ve provided a number of links on the subject; perhaps you should read them.
WRONG. This was not the law in 1961. In 1961 in Hawaii, the mother had to be residing in the USA for 5 years from the age of 14 – meaning Obama’s mother would have to be age 19 when he was born. She was 18. Next, being a US Citizen does not make you a “natural born” US Citizen as required by the Constitution.
We repeat these facts over and over and some of you calling us names and setting tinfoil hats on our heads can’t be bothered enough to actual read the facts of the case and why we have the heartburn that we do.
When you take a side in a case, shouldn’t you at least know more than a few surface arguments?
Fat Jolly Penguin said:
I’ve read your comments and your links. You have provided nothing that in any way proves that Barack Obama is a “natural born” US citizen.
In this thread and in ones from last Friday, we have articulated over and over the actual facts which you seem to totally ignore.
1. A Certificate of Live Birth – authenticated by the Secretary of State of Hawaii is NOT proof that one is a Natural Born US Citizen. Hawaii allowed parents to register their children’s births for up to 1 year after they were born. Nothing required documented proof of where the child was born other than a parent’s statement.
If a US citizen’s child was born outside the US by mistake, it would not take much to have them say the child was born in the US – not because of a future presidency but rather because that’s what they wanted. The story is that Obama’s mother tried to come back to the US but was denied because she was too pregnant to fly.
2. How did Obama enter Pakistan in the 1980s?
3. Obama’s school records in Indonesia show that he was registered there as “Barry Sorento”, Indonesian Citizen.
4. Where is Obama’s adult renunciation of this Indonesian Citizenship?
5. Why on earth won’t Barry just show a vaulted copy of his real birth certificate with seal, doctor’s signature, hospital info, etc.?
Some argue that Obama should release his school records. I don’t give a wit about his school records, medical records, marriage license, driver’s license, voter’s registration or any other private document. I merely want to know that the founding document of our country which requires the PONTUS to be a “natural born” citizen is upheld. This because it is the LAW, not because speculation about his religion or anything else.
On December 8th, 2008 at 4:30 pm, katablog said:
I stand corrected. I thought his mother was 19 when he was born.
I never intended to offend, simply to point out the facts.
With respect, your side doesn’t seem to have much more than rumors and hearsay. Obama has produced his certificate of live birth, which is usually the same thing anyway. There’s also the announcement of his birth in the Honolulu Advertiser.
If you can show me something more substantial than what I have been seeing, I’d be more inclined to believe you.
Is he or isn’t he?
If he was popped out in Hawaii. Good enough for government work.
That birth announcement is for August 13, 1961. Haven’t you seen people who lived in your community previously announce weddings, deaths and births even though they no longer live there?
Also, what about if Stanley had attempted to come back to the US for Obama’s birth but didn’t make it? Wouldn’t it still be possible for her to return 3 or 4 days after his birth and place the announcement? Couldn’t the announcement be placed by his grandmother (who by the way says she was at his birth – in Kenya).
Again, if you would read the long tenuous comments in these threads, you might already understand where and why our doubt exists.
Is it really to much to ask for an unbiased party to actually see a birth certificate (see my previous comments about why a “certificate of live birth” from Hawaii doesn’t suffice) with a raised seal and perhaps even provide a copy for US Citizens to see? How would this invade Barry’s privacy? It’s a requirement of the Constitution for God’s sake!
Sorry, in the above post I meant to quote this portion of your message – not the previous one.
I can’t provide you with the answers you’re looking for because I’m not Barack Obama.
This discussion seems to be rehashing the same points over and over again, so I’ll leave you with what evidence I’ve seen and provided, and a repetition of what I said earlier.
Jolly,
All Obama would have to do is allow the State of Hawaii to release something that looks like this.
20 million illegals have entered this country and now some want to make them citizens after the broke the law. Get over it and move on!
Millions of Germans allowed the Nazi government to kill millions of Jewish people. Get over it and move on!
FJB-
NOT NEARLY the same thing. Only the hospital and attending physician can sign and CERTIFY the birth cert; the Cert of Live Birth will NOT get you a Driver’s license nor a passport= it is not a certified true document in the eyes of the law. Period.
Wolf
The letter I’m sending to the Editors of the National Review:
Dear Editors,
I have to take issue with David Horowitz’s characterization of those of us who would like proof of Barak Obama’s Constitutional eligibility to hold the office of President as “a fringe group”, “zealots” and “sore losers”.
He says:
“What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on U.S. soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for president trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if five Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?”
I’m shocked that Mr. Horowitz can be so flippant about the US Constitution– the Supreme Law of the Land. What difference does it make whether Obama was born on US soil? It’s the difference on whether or not the US is still a place where the Rule of Law matters! Yes, absolutely, Constitutional principles trump all others! Mr. Horowitz should be asking himself how viable our Constitution would be if five Supreme Court justices decide to ignore the Constitution they swear to uphold. If Mr. Obama is eventually found to be ineligible to hold office, it will he his own actions, and those of the election officials responsible for certifying eligibility requirements, that will have invalidated those 64 million ballots.
“The birth-certificate zealots are essentially arguing that 64 million voters should be disenfranchised because of a contested technicality as to whether Obama was born on U.S. soil.”
Provisions of the Constitution are not “technicalities”! They are the Supreme Law of the Land! I’m curious to know what other parts of the Constitution Mr. Horowitz believes are technicalities. If Mr. Obama were 34 1/2 years old, would the 35 year minimum age requirement be a ‘technicality’? Is Mr. Horowitz’s First Amendment Right to Free Speech a technicality? The Constitution, as written and intended by the Founders, must be upheld. There is an amendment process that can be followed if Mr. Horowitz feels a certain provision should be changed.
“Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation.”
I agree. But, the underlying assumption is that those on the ballot are constitutionally eligible to hold the office for which they are running. If the only proof of eligibility is a signed statement from the candidate, the door is open for abuse… As has happened in the case of a Nicaraguan national being listed as a candidate for President!
There seems to be enough credible evidence that leaves Obama’s “natural born citizenship” to be in doubt. When questions about McCain’s “natural born” status were raised, he provided all the necessary documentation. Mr. Obama can put all these doubts to rest by simply producing the original birth certificate with the attendant’s signature and place of birth. That’s much less than he is requiring of people applying for employment in his administration.
Still waiting for one of the Democrats who comment here to please tell me how the agenda of the Democratic Party differs from the agenda of the Communist Party USA (Program, Constitution).
Obama spent his life seeking out relationships with Communists, and he says his journey is part of a bigger journey to bring an Empire to its knees.
But I guess we are supposed to STHU and “get over it”.
Lan astaslem!
I won’t put on the tin foil hat, but I’m not going to rule out the possibility until I see a birth certificate. I think he is an natural born American, but that little glimmer of doubt in my mind, and that large conspiracy in the mind of others, will always exist until Obama does the simple little action of producing a birth certificate.
Is that really so much to ask?
Yea, that paperwork was probably processed as an IN/OUT basket item by a government employee is some dark cubicle somewhere on Friday afternoon.
Really? Do tell. Which “branches of government” have bothered to check on this issue? Please provide names of those who were involved in these branches. What did they require as proof? Do they know the difference between a “certificate of live birth” and a birth certificate? Did they know the law in Hawaii which would have allowed the former to be issued to a US Citizen who was not “natural born”? Were they aware that Obama’s mother could not confer citizenship on her child at the time of his birth? Did they know about Obama’s grandmother’s statement that he was born in Kenya and that she was at the birth?
or did they accept a 9 day old classified ad as their “proof”.
Oh and since when should be put faith in the likes of crooks and liars like Barney Frank, Nancy Peolosi, Harry Reid, John Murtha, and William Jefferson?
BTW, we know one branch of government that refused to look for proof so far – the judicial branch. Look forward to your answers.
Ah yes, but shouldn’t respect for the founding document of this country, the Constitution, by which elections are held in the first place trump respect for a possible illegal election?
I’m not following this story closely but I still think it’s not settled. Dual citizenship and place of birth may not be an issue at this point in time, but the natural born issue rings true. Call me a kook, but my sense is that a “natural born” citizen is born to parents who are US citizens. Since Obama’s father was not a US citizen, Obama is not natural born. If Obama’s father had been a “naturalized” citizen then Obama would be a natural born citizen. As it stands now, from what I have read, he is just a citizen that does not meet a basic constitutional requirement for the presidency. I’ve also read in the section “brief history of the citizenship laws” #4 that Obama should have been naturalized, since his mother did not meet the age requirements to have a child with a foreigner and pass US citizenship automatically.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winnah!
There are
1615 cases throughout the country…Tell me why B Hussein Obama WON’T provide his real birth cert?
What is he hiding?
Is he an Arab? not an African American black man?
Not a citizen of the US?
His name is not Obama?
His entire life is a lie?
From his birth and then for 22 years around college til his state senator spot he has hidden everything.
I will not trust this man nor any of his words, look at his associates and we KNOW those are real.
They are the worst of the worst, seditious people who you would not want your family anywhere near.
I don’t know what the truth is, but I do know we don’t yet know it.
To all-
‘Natural Born’ is NOT the same thing as being born to US Citizen parents. If your parents were native French, got naturalized and became US citizens (by fact of renouncing French citizenship- US does NOT allow dual-citizenship) and were in France visiting relatives, and said parents had a child in France, that child would NOT be a ‘natural born’ citizen. BUT, under the law, the naturalized parents could petition to have the CHILD become NATURALIZED in a process similar to what they underwent.
Now, if those naturalized parents were in the US instead, their child would then be a ‘natural born’ citizen by nature of WHERE the child was born.
NATURAL BORN means you were BORN ON US SOIL- irrespective of WHO your parents were! Why do you think those illegals that come across the border want to bear children here? THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS, but the CHILDREN THEY BEAR HERE ARE.
Exceptions are: DoS and DOD personnel ON ORDERS working overseas who bear children- those children are considered ‘NATURAL BORN’ by virtue of federal law- by serving the US Gov’t in some capacity they are ‘covered’.
Wolf
ps- SOMEONE out there reading this column has to be a lawyer… where are you?
I’m assuming that the stay that Donofrio originally requested was a stay of the November 4th election (since that is why he rushed it and filed November 3rd).
When this went to SCOTUS, was the application for stay updated to request a stay of the Electoral College vote on December 15th?
If not, it’s perfectly logical that the SCOTUS would deny that application, as it is obviously too late to stay the November 4th election.
Donofrio’s case was not denied (or yet granted) certiorari and is still listed as under “PENDING CASES”. Again, only the application for stay was denied, NOT CERTIORARI.
I’m beginning to think that what happened today is actually good news, not bad news. I think the media is getting the story completely wrong (but what else is new?)
Drudge headlines “SUPREME COURT REFUSES TO HEAR OBAMA CITIZENSHIP CASE…” but that is not accurate at all.
Friday may turn out to be a very, very big news day.
Why are Israeli citizens voting in US presidential elections if the US does not allow dual citizenship? The children of illegal immigrants have not been given US citizenship—this is an issue that has not been settled in the courts.
Thank God that the USA is not like China (yet)
As long as we are discussing phony forged documents put up on the net by Factcheck.org and KOS, how about the fact that Barry’s (aka Obama’s) Selective Service Registration form looks to be forged too.
Debbie Schlussel had this story back on November 13, 2008 she says; “if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter”.
Question for the denial crowd; How come every official document found is irregular in this charlatans history?
On December 8th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
I think you know that we will be prepared to battle again on both fronts.
Okay. What do you have to back up this assertion?
I certainly don’t think anyone is “chasing their tails” as far as this issue is concerned. We are divided on the issue… such is life. Obama’s stock and trade, whoops, rise to fame is based on deception. However, there will come a time when the lies catch up to him. There is something here and you are free to ignore and look the other way. Why slam those who have presented thorough and might I add, sound reasoning for pursuing this?
Let’s not rehash this…please!!
Amen!! That is exactly how I feel. Why is this such a big deal? Just provide a copy of the vaulted BC already. The man is in Hawaii for Xmas, run down to the courthouse. I have a copy of my birth certificate right here and I don’t care who sees it. For that matter BHO, how about a real copy of your medical records, other than a feel good letter from a doctor. How about college transcripts, and who paid for your education. If I hear anyone else tell me that Bush has had the most secretive administration in history i am going to lose it, this BHO guy is hella shady!! Added some thug thizzle for you guys.
Press Release 12/08/08: U. S. Supreme Court
U. S. Supreme Court asked to issue an injunction to stay electorial votes on December 15, 2008..
until Obama proves he is “qualified” to be President
as this is the largest “HOAX” in 200 years.
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
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http://www.obamacrimes.com/
according to affidavits presented in the Berg v. Obama to the Supreme Court, Sarah Obama,
Mr.Obama’s paternal grandmother has repeatedly stated that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and she was present at the hospital, when he was born,
which means that Mr. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen and not qualified for Presidency.
For those who have not read it, this is well worth reading:
On July 25th, 1787, John Jay wrote to George Washington, then Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention:
John Jay was the First Chief Justice of the United States, among many other things, and (according to the post linked in my last comment) it was this letter that caused Clause 5 of Article II to exist.
The Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces cannot have anything other than 100% loyalty to the USA. There can be no divided loyalties or dual citizenship. That is the very reason for the Natural born citizen requirement for POTUS.
On December 8th, 2008 at 9:22 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
Well, What’s the plan then? What arewe going to do about the card check law? The coming amnesty and the lack of immigration enforcement? The ruinous defects and the bankrupting of the USA and the socializing of entire industries? I would be interested to hear about how “we” are actually prepared to take on the obamanation on everything from an “assault weapons” ban to regulating the curve in bananas like the EU does.. Do convince.
Which one? that they are bent out of shape about everything? Does this cover everything? Or that you might be paying too much attention to them? That you would consider their rantings in your opinion making at all means that you have given them too much attention.
Fair enough.
Simply put, the contemporary announcements of his birth in the papers couldn’t be faked because they would have to fake them in the microfilm records in most major cities around the country. It is my opinion that this is just loopy… and that is coming from someone who would do just about anything to not have an Obama presidency.
On the whole “rehashing” thing.. well, I am afraid we are going to have to be divided on that issue as well.
I am still rather amazed no one either cares or is willing to have proof Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii officials only said the certificate was a live birth certificate. I have yet to see anyone show proof you “couldn’t” get a live birth certificate if you were born outside the state during the year Obama was born. The fact anyone could put an ad for his birth in the paper seems to also be proof. Besides they say so many voted for him, the constitution be damned. You get what you ask for. Michelle, don’t complain about the “living constitution” if you aren’t concerned about this.
The fix is in.
And the time is nigh to go out to the garage and untarp my standard issue Black Helicopter. We need to blend in with the power elite, because they are coming for us
If a fox stole your chickens… Would you slaughter your pig because he saw the fox? No. You would hunt the fox… You would find where it lives and destroy it! And how do we do this? Become a fox.
Wolverines!
I think that Obama was actually born in 1960, NOT 1961 as the paperwork claims. I say this because Obama has repeatedly said he was 8 years old when Ayers bombed the Pentagon in ‘68. So, either Obama is so stupid that he can’t ad or is telling the truth. It is something he has repeated several many times.
On December 8th, 2008 at 10:34 pm, Bill Grant said:
In my initial response I told you that we would be prepared to fight Obama on all fronts. You indicated that you didn’t believe we would. I am not here for the sole purpose of explaining to you why that isn’t true. If the past is any indicator – we fought “one of our own” on amnesty – G.W. Bush. Therefore, whatever it is that is causing you to believe it would be any different with Obama doesn’t have anything to do with me.
I don’t disagree that they are bent out of shape about everything. I could careless about what the issue of the day is for them. We’ve (Republicans/conservatives) got to get our act together…that’s what concerns me most. And it seems that’s your issue as well. However, attempting to unite everyone behind one central message by telling them that they are tinfoil hate wearers is the same as McCain’s punchline about falling in line and you see how well that worked out for him.
Well, the onus is on Barack Obama to quell this issue. What better way to showcase he leadership skills and actually fulfill one of his campaign promises give people the transparency they are asking for. You may think the issue is loopy and the person driving may not have the best intentions. So what? If they have a case against him – let’s hear it.
Horowitz is like many other shallow thinkers about this issue. He argues that if Obama is not a natural born citizen, we should let it pass because the people obviously want him. Apparently Horowitz thinks the vote is a mandate to ignore the constitution. The serious flaw in Horowitz’s argument is that if Obama is not qualified to be president, then the people didn’t know who they were voting for, because he hid the truth. Most Americans would not have voted for someone who is not qualified, but, more importantly,they would not have had the opportunity to do so, because he would not have been on the ballot. The constitution should not be set aside, no matter how many people were hoodwinked. Bank robbers would never be let off the hook just because they initially got away with the crime.
The issue is so muddled now that the average citizen can’t really fully understand it. I certainly don’t. Obama and the courts are not forthcoming. Obama’s behavior is despicable. He is treating Americans like children who shouldn’t ask questions. As many have said, he could easily clear this matter up, and his refusal to do so, and his thousands of dollars spent on hiding documents that most of us have to produce and show all the time creates suspicion. The arguement that producing the documents would not end the suspicion is nonsense. If the courts examined the documents and gave a clear response, that would end the matter for everyone except the clearly deranged. I am sorry Michelle, but the millions of Americans who want this matter cleared up are not all deranged conspiracy freaks or fanatics. None of my many friends who are concerned about this have ever been even close to being called a “truther”, “deranged”, etc., and none of them have ever been interested in fomenting conspiracy theories or controversy.
However, this potato is too hot to handle, and I doubt if any judge will ever have the guts to consider it openly. Judges, like administrators and other authorities, only want to make decisions about non-controversial issues that have no political consequences for them. We already had one usurper president (Chester Arthur), and it appears that we will be stuck with another one if it turns out that Obama is not a natural born American.
Because Israel recognizes dual citizenship. The United States does not. As far as U.S. law is concerned, an American is an American.
They have if their mom was quick enough to cross the border and give birth on U.S. soil. I hate it and I think it’s dead wrong, but it happens all the time.
One more time. There is a direct connection between Obama’s lack of being a natural born citizen and his refusal to release any of his college records. Releasing these records has been demanded in the past of presidential candidates, if for no other reason other than to laugh at their low grades. Obama? all hidden, including the admission records that show him IMO to be a “foreign student” with citizenship other than US. And it also unveils the source of the money that allowed him to attend mega-buck schools….
Why is no one interested in any of this?
On December 9th, 2008 at 9:35 am, BOB said:
A lot of us ARE interested in this.
Obama promised to be “open, transparent, and honest“,
but he has been anything but that.
From over five months ago:
Obama can ignore “We the People”, but he can’t ignore the Supreme Court.
What Country Is This?
Lest you take offense to this, it is a mirror image of something Obama himself said:
Obama must produce the critical documents that prove he is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States.
I read this this morning on American Thinker. It was refreshing to see.
30 pcs,
Thanks for that link. It’s a very good read. However, they, like many others, have misinterpreted what happened yesterday in Donofrio’s case.
The Supreme Court did not deny certiorari to Donofrio. They only denied the application to stay the election. I believe the election that Donofrio had been trying to stay was the November 4th election (he hurriedly filed his case on November 3rd to do so).
So, it is logical that the court would, on December 8th, deny an application to stay an election that already happened on November 4th.
Donofrio’s case is still PENDING.
Donofrio’s case is NOT listed under CERTIORARI DENIED.
Everyone should take another look at the order list.
ITRP (or should I say my fellow tin-foil hat wearer
), thanks for the follow-up.
I notice that this subject consistently garners the most comments.
Something is going on that those whom influence us seem to know, as they wish for everyone to drop the subject so badly.
I didn’t get a memo as to why.
This subject is not just going to die a natural death now however, as too many people believe they are being deceived and the U.S. Constitution is in grave danger without the truth coming out.
On December 9th, 2008 at 7:42 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
What you stated was “I think you know that we will be prepared to battle again on both fronts.” and I said that I am not so sure of that. After seeing how easy it is for the opposition to split the right I don’t have a lot of faith in our ability to counteract Obama’s plans. Your non answer isn’t bolstering my faith.
Obama isn’t “one of our own”. He has his whole party backing him and control of the executive and legislative branch of government. That is in some part due to the fact that “our” side couldn’t/wouldn’t get it’s act together.
It aint going to get you to where you want to go.
No… We didn’t “fall in line” and we elected Obama.
No it isn’t. He would just love it if it never ended because it diverts time, energy and resources away from fighting him.. Which was my point to begin with. He would love it if you kept this up.
Is that a joke?
You may have the best intentions in the world. That is irrelevant to the overall level of loopyness.
Just trying to give you a heads up.
According to the courts they don’t.
I don’t have to prove one single solitary thing to you. It’s laughable that you think I owe you any explanation at all.
Again, I’m soooooo not interested in rehashing this debate. It’s been done to death.
Clearly.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
Thanks, but no thanks. So condescending and snarky but sooo not clever.
Whatever.
On December 9th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, Bill Grant said:
Think again.
-K… Victor Frankel called this “the illusion of reprieve” but good luck with that.
OK…so call me a conspiricy nut, foil hat guy or whatever, Michelle..though I am not really a big fan of all that is going on around this and had no idea that there were so many lawsuits and what not…however…
When a person goes to great lengths in order to hide something from people, that is a HUGE indication that there is most definately something there to hide.
The Obama Campaign could have ended this entire thing by simply presenting the media with a Xeroxed copy of the actual, genuine, certified Birth Certificate. Not some computerized gabage paper called “Proof of Live birth”. That is NOT the same thing.
So maybe he is a citizen, having been born in Hawaii, L.A., New York, or anywhere else in the U.S.A. or on American held soil somewhere else. If that is the case, then why the hell are they continuing to hide the BC?
Considering the outcry and demands from the Left for every scrap of paper that has ever been officially created on Governor Palin, her daughter, he new-born child etc., it is hardly keeping away from hypocrisy to claim that when people are demanding he produce a BC is not in keeping with equality.
It is also not “Sour Grapes”. or trying to keep him from having his victory or any other accusation that is being tossed out there. You have to remember, that the vast majority of these lawsuits and whatnot were begun BEFORE the election, in several cases MONTHS ago. That is how it got to the Supreme Court in this incedence.
Also, when you look at how Capt. Big Ears had a legally sealed divorce proceeding and outcome unsealed and presented to the press in order to humiliate and destroy one of his former opponents and all the other back-handed B.S. that Obama and his cronies have done in order to intimidate, threaten and abuse so that he can have his way and ascend the throne to become the Liberal Messianic Powerhouse he has become, he and the rest of his cult members do not have a single leg or toe to stand on in which to complain or whine about this.
Just like the troglodyte who is demanding tht Governor Palin and others produce papers to prove that her youngest child is indeed hers, and all the others carrying on about that, this can all go away if he were to just release his BC and allow people to see that he is what he claims to be.
With his track record of NOT being who and what he claims to be, his record of saying one thing and doing another, of the people he calls family and friends until such time as weveryone finds out just exactly who and what they are etc., he should NEVER be allowed to go just on his word about any damn thing at all.
Again, whether he is or isn’t can all be dispelled by stopping all the secrecy.
Someone would only go through the efforts he and his “crew” have gone through ONLY if there is something incredibly damaging to him were it to be found out. I, along with a great many others, would like to know just what that is.
RetFireman-
Agreed! Friday look for another SCOTUS decision on another lawsuit. To compare something like this to fake pregnancy suits is disrespectful to our Constitution. If this is something to scoff at, we may as well wipe our azz with the document. I think the KosKids hacked into Michelle’s site and wrote this piece. How’s that for a conspiracy theory?
On December 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm, dadinseattle said:
I notice that this subject consistently garners the most comments.
Something is going on that those whom influence us seem to know, as they wish for everyone to drop the subject so badly.
You may be on to something there.
I never have felt so let down by conservatives such as Michelle than on this issue. Even the local conservative radio shows here in Charlotte have toned down discussion on Obama’s location of birth…even Rush Limbaugh has not commented on it.
From reading Michelle’s and Hot Air’s comments on the issue and listening to many of the radio hosts, they’re all trying to avoid the perception of being tinfoil-hat-wearing nutjobs like Ron Paulists. They seem to be comparing apples to oranges with 9/11 and Palin trutherism (which ARE complete horse manure) to the birth certificate issue, which has strong merit and more importantly, is a complete, concise, and clear requirement for being President dictated in our founding document.
I am very disappointed with Malkin, Morrissey, Horowitz, and other so-called conservatives in their complete negligence of addressing this issue.
Bravo!
Not only is Obama hiding his vault Birth Certificate, but the COLB that was posted at DailyKOS is a forgery!
I thought so the first time I looked at it on June 12th, and it has since been conclusively shown by a forensic document expert.
Obama clearly has something to hide, and is willing to spend huge sums of money to keep it hidden.
But this even goes beyond the vault Birth Certificate. It is incorrect to say
There are several different issues, and different lawsuits cover them differently.
1) Birth location: Was Obama born in the US? The COLB (even if it were authentic, which it’s not) cannot prove Obama was born in the US, because COLBs were given to people born outside of the US (like Obama’s sister Maya)
2) British citizenship via father: If Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. truly is the father, then the son was a British subject at birth.
3) Indonesian citizenship via adoption: Lolo Soetoro adopted him and made him Indonesian citizen Barry Soetoro
4) Indonesian citizenship might have been used to travel on an Indonesian passport to Pakistan, as an adult, in 1981.
It’s bigger than just the Birth Certificate. But the fact that he’s hiding it makes everyone wonder what else he’s hiding.
Bravo and amen!
I feel the same way. I’m going to re-post two comments that I posted in the previous thread.
Let me get this straight…
A U.S. Presidential candidate allows his book to be published, in the world’s most populous Muslim country, with the title:
That same U.S. Presidential candidate previously attended school in that capital city (Jakarta) of the world’s most populous Muslim country, and was registered with his citizenship belonging to that country (Indonesia) and his religion: ISLAM.
That same U.S. Presidential candidate has said
That same U.S. Presidential candidate is now talking about making a major foreign policy speech from an Islamic capital during his first 100 days in office.
And now Michelle Malkin, who told us after the Nov. 4th elections:
This same Michelle Malkin now mocks us for standing up for principle and fighting?
Lan astaslem!
ITookTheRedPill, great posts and excellent insight.
I think that quote from Michelle speaks VOLUMES in terms of her inconsistency.
Is letting this subject go considered “girding our loins”? “Locking and loading our ideological ammunition”? “Recommiting ourselves to our constitutional republic”?
Hardly. It’s more like tucking our tails between our legs and bowing our heads down in subservience.
I agree that “fire doesn’t melt steel” and “Trig is really Bristol’s baby”
ARE complete horse manure.
But there is A Different “9/11 Truth” that is not horse manure.
Each of those Truth statements are verifiably true, and even though that page has been viewed thousands of times in the last three and half months, the only thing someone questioned was the meaning of daughter Malia’s name.
Connect the dots.
Just say “NO!” to unqualified crypto-Marxists and crypto-Jihadists!
This is bigger than 9/11, folks, but political correctness is blinding some people and keeping them from digging deeper.
This has nothing to do with the color of someone’s skin. It has everything to do with the content of their character, and the preservation of our Constitutional Republic.
On December 10th, 2008 at 10:49 am, ICBMMan said:
Thank you for your kind words.
ObamaForgery.com
Donofrio’s Blog:
NaturalBornCitizen.wordpress.com
I also recommend this link from a blog called Lame Cherry. The information about this issue is pretty obvious and blatant, especially how political correctness virtually screams that the alleged Obama certificate is a forgery.
I’m sure I’ll be called a racist just by the very nature of the fact that the racial classification on the certification for Obama’s father is a dead giveaway.
And yet still, Michelle and others refuse to look at it.
Didn’t you get the memo from Ruppert Murdock on Obama:
Hear no Evil
See no Evil
Speak no Evil
Oh it most DEFINITELY goes so much farther than just a BC.
The implications of the National Crisis that would occur were it to be found that this has been covered up, the amount of people that are and were to be involved, having a non-citizen actually becoming the President of the United States of America, the amount of idiots out there that would willingly throw the Constitution into the toilet claiming that it was outdated etc. in an effort to keep him in etc., etc., etc., could, in fact, lead to the most bloodshed on American soil since April of 1865.
All this and more would be the EXACT reason why so many people are working so hard, so dilligently to keep all of this covered up and silenced.
This is why so many people are desiring to have this all go away, swept under the rug and work towards making anyone who would question, who would demand that anyone who would become the President of this great country, the Leader of the Free World, arguably the most powerful and influential person on the planet who can wipe out every living thing save for cockroaches with the swipe of his Cross pen, be held accountable and be made to open up ALL his papers in regards to exactly who and what he claims to be, demonized and called “Conspiracy Kooks”, and “Nutters” and any other number of names that seem to be entering into the American lexicon.
Just tell me why it is that people who are demanding that the POTUS be completely transparent, that his records of his birth be open to inspection are to be demonized?
This is not anywhere near a bizarre request. It is not the same as requesting that he produce his war records to show whether or not he was injured three times and justly left his comrades after three months of service in Vietnam.
This is not like asking him to prove whether or not he is the father of his children.
This is something that is in the Constitution. This is one of the few things that the Constitution lists as the requirement to become the President of the United States.
It does not require military service. It does not require an education of any kind. It does not require that the person come from any type of wealth, or aristocrasy. It does not require any particular sex, nor does it require any particular race, nor religious belief.
It does, however, require that the person who is to become the President of the United States, et al, be an American Citizen by birth. Whether he/she be born in the Continental United States or on U.S. occupied soil such as on an military base or embassy.
Thus, it is our right, nay our DUTY to demand that the person PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are EXACTLY who they claim they are and that they indeed have been born an AMERICAN CITIZEN.
Anyone who wishes, as an AMERICAN CITIZEN to see said proof should be welcomed and allowed to see that proof, not mocked and laughed at or called names. It is the DUTY of each and every citizen of this country to be vigilant and demand such proof of everyone seeking the Highest Office in the World if for no other reason than to avoid such things as I have listed and to defend the Constitution that so many men and women have shed blood and died for, and that has made this country all that it is and is destined to be.
People who would do so should NEVER be mocked in such a way, but instead those who would hide from scrutiny over something so important and easy to prove should be the ones who be put to scrutiny.
Demand that your President…or the Head of the Office of the President-Elect, stop hiding from the people he was hired by. He serves us at our whim. We do not serve him, nor does he rule us. Read the Constitution. He is not a king, nor the Messiah nor is he to be accorded anything special just because he is the President.
Show us the BC, or be prepared to always have that doubt remain. It may not go beyond simple request…or it may become something so large as to destroy everything that has come before.
Just for the record, here is a SIDE BY SIDE comparison of an ACTUAL certificate from Hawaii dated 1963 next to the forged piece of garbage the Obama has presented and caused people to label us and “kooks”.
Go on, let’s discuss this some more as to why we have no grounds to stand and demand the truth on.
Also, up until 1972, anyone who was one year or younger could ask for and receive an Hawaiian Birth Certificate
RetFireman,
EXCELLENT comment!
And thanks for the link to the side-by-side comparison of:
The forged Certification does not prove Obama is a natural born citizen.
It only proves Soetoro/Obama’s intent to deceive.
The language of the 20th Amendment (ratified less than 76 years ago) makes it clear that the burden of proof is on the Presidential Candidate:
The silence on this subject from the media and the punditry is really starting to tick me off. When Obummer is found to be ineligible for office, they’re all going to be pointing fingers at each other for not covering it. Journalism, RIP.
Why, indeed?
Wasn’t it Obama himself who promised transparency?