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1. #101
   On December 11th, 2008 at 11:43 am, normsrevenge said:

   14 out of 32 pro-bailout, anti-free market Republicans , also RMSP members, are on your list voting to bail-out the bums, Michelle.

   There are 46 listed as current elected members.

   Soros getting his bang for the buck.

2. #102
   On December 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am, Donut44 said:

   There is no doubt that these trillions of our dollars being given away will go down as the greatest public heist by our public officials in the history of the US. Since the infamous 700B. bailout what exactly has changed for this country? Is letting GM and Ford figure out their own problems really going to hurt the US? Is that 14B+ loan to the car companies going to hire back those they laid off? Has the mortgage crisis subsided? Is unemployment down to 5%? Is my 401K gaining back the 40% it lost?

   When our democrat controlled congress chose to give our republican controlled executive branch the power to give out money to corporations at will, where was the accountability? And since when should we trust a 12 trillion plus debt country to give money away? Maybe I should be happy though, at this new form of bipartisanship (as if both parties haven’t always been happy to join together to give our money away).

   I don’t know who the people are giving over a billion dollars to fuel all of the politicians campaigns, but we all need to stop giving money to this hooligans. It is pretty obvious money floats their boat and it is time for it to sink.

3. #103
   On December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am, dan708 said:

   I’ll definitely be writing Sen Bob Casey (D-PA) and Sen Arlen Magic-Bullet Specter (RINO), even though I don’t think it will have an effect. I live in a terribly blue state with lots of blue-collar jobs.

4. #104
   On December 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, PrestoPundit - Greg Ransom said:

   What’s up with Duncan Hunter voting for the UAW bailout?

5. #105
   On December 11th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, rightisright said:

   The auto industry HAD/HAS to comply with far more government mandates (CAFE, emissions, zero tort reform, and union “protection” are some that come to mind) than banking ever has had.

   This seems to be a problem for the Big3, how is it Toyota, Honda and others don’t seem to have a problem making money while dealing with the same government and union interventions.

   Could it possibly be piss poor management that goes back to the ’70′s. If one goes back to the Japanese car invasion the Big(bumbling)3 never did compete…they put out crap Falcon’s and that GM rear engine piece of crap which was nothing but a bomb waiting to be ignited. They don’t know how to compete and they don’t don’t know how to say no to labor.

6. #106
   On December 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, greenfairie said:

   How sad, a lefty like Bob Filner (D-northern suburbs of Tijuana) has usually voted against these bailouts while RINOs vote for ‘em.

7. #107
   On December 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm, Weary Citizen said:

   On December 11th, 2008 at 10:38 am, Jeff2161 said:
   Quite a few people seem to believe the figure of $73-77 dollars per hour. The breakdown which has been explained by GM was used to show the high pay of current workers. Problem is, the number includes all the retirees pensions divided by total number of current workers. GM has been producing cars here for a LONG time and has many more retirees than current workers.Actual pay difference is MUCH lower.Around 52 versus 45 for Foreign owned plants.

   Thanks. You just made eveyone’s argument that the unrealistic and overly promised retirement benefits extorted by the unions are a huge problem. If taken out of the equation, by your own admission, the Big 3 would be more price competitive. I didn’t make the unions demand or the car companies agree to a guaranteed life long gold plated retiremetn package, but now we are asked to pay for it? Most every competitve company in the US has stopped funding pensions because the future liabilties were so high as to be unaffordable and potentially bankrupt those companies. Instead, like my company, they shifted the same amount of pension paymetns (5% of salary) to a 401K and let us manage, thereby eliminating defined benefits. Why didn’t the big3 do it? Well, UAW of course threatened to bankrupt them wiht strikes if they considered it. At a minimum, the Big 3 should stop piling more future liablites onto their books by stopping future pensions as well. Chapter 11 reorganization is the correct action to take. As far as benefits, well, retirees should do what every other company does. They are cut once you reach medicare eligible age.

8. #108
   On December 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm, TooMuchTime said:

   House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said it represented “tough love” for U.S. auto companies, and “giving a chance — this one more chance — to this great industry but to the even greater United Auto Workers union, to whom, many of us in congress owe our jobs and votes.“

   There, Nan. Fixed it.

9. #109
   On December 11th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, mojack420 said:

   i have heard a few reports that ford wont take the bail out money. if they don’t take the money im going to buy a 1000 shares .

10. #110
    On December 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    i have heard a few reports that ford wont take the bail out money. if they don’t take the money im going to buy a 1000 shares.

    Great! Out of the 3, I like Ford cars the least. Looks like my next car is a new Mustang.

11. #111
    On December 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Like him or not, Ron Paul speaks the economic truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhOtMbuNIYo

12. #112
    On December 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, Mister P said:

    Like him or not, Ron Paul speaks the economic truth:

    Paul is the modern day Casandra. He has been right all along, but it won’t stop the fall of Troy.

13. #113
    On December 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, ChrisFromGermany said:

    Sen. DeMint says people could “riot” over unfair car company bailout:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLKOkmmRIKc

14. #114
    On December 11th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    I heard Kyl of Arizona last week suggest a possible government guarantee of the warranties, when Hugh Hewitt suggested Chapter 11 reorganization would kill the aotimakers because people wouldn’t trust the warranty and wouldn’t buy a car from a company in Chapter 11.

    Do that, which costs nothing if the companies survive, let them reorganize, cut new deals with retirees and active UAW to reduce the onerous burderns the unions put on them, and they’ll come out of Chapter 11 in much better shape.

    I don’t like the idea of the government dictating what kind/how cars should be built.

    Post-war German government designed car…

    Pre-war German government designed car, aka ‘The Peoples Car”.

15. #115
    On December 11th, 2008 at 2:03 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On December 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, ChrisFromGermany said:

    Sen. DeMint says people could “riot” over unfair car company bailout:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLKOkmmRIKc

    Just a pleasant afternoon here in the sunbelt. What would they do up north-throw snowballs?
    But I am game. Protest the Bailouts-attack Democrats and trolls!

    God Bless America-except for the blue states.

16. #116
    On December 11th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    From what I see, RINO Weasel Tom Davis from VA didn’t even bother to vote. I guess he is just collecting his paycheck for the month and staying home. Must be nice to be able to milk the taxpayers for a few more weeks and do nothing. I wonder why he isn’t trying to squeeze in one last “steroids in baseball hearing.”

17. #117
    On December 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, crashemt said:

    Simply 237 traitors to the Constitution, whose names are now recorded for all to see their crimes.

    For you, WarEagle, I will happily add our “do-nothing” waste of tax payer dollars, Mr. Davis. Not that his replacement, Mr. Gerry “SAIC can’t give me enough bribes, and Mexico can’t give me enough slaves dedicated illegal votes victims” Connelly, will do us any better.

18. #118
    On December 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, Bill Grant said:

    Ask yourself your own question: “Why is there a Republican Party?”

    Nothing like spelling it out. (Albeit awkwardly.) Hey, a few more elections where conservatives decide not to show up and there wont be. Then what?

19. #119
    On December 11th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Sen. DeMint says people could “riot” over unfair car company bailout:

    Fat chance. We’re not Thai, you know.

20. #120
    On December 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    As bad as RINO Tom Davis was, Gerry is going to be worse! No question there. Two words: TERM LIMITS!

    On December 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, crashemt said:
    Simply 237 traitors to the Constitution, whose names are now recorded for all to see their crimes.

    For you, WarEagle, I will happily add our “do-nothing” waste of tax payer dollars, Mr. Davis. Not that his replacement, Mr. Gerry “SAIC can’t give me enough bribes, and Mexico can’t give me enough slaves dedicated illegal votes victims” Connelly, will do us any better.

21. #121
    On December 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, marsouin said:

    As these bail-outs continue, the more disgusted I am at being an American. What sort of country and people have we become? Are there any truly great leaders left (business, government, etc.)? Would modern America even want or appreciate such an individual? Sadly, I think not.

    The root of all our current troubles: the Progressives on the US Supreme Court who flushed all the hard won wisdom of the Founders and flushed it down the toilet because they thought they could do better. Now, rent-seeking, whether economic or socio-ethnic in origin, has corrupted our society as the Radical Whigs of the 17th and 18th centuries said would happen if the State goes beyond its core tasks. As Algernon Sidney said, the more rules a society has, the more corrupt the people become.

22. #122
    On December 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm, paboperfecto said:

    I am shocked, SHOCKED, that Tom Udall from my state of New Mexico voted against the bailout before the election and switched to supporting bailout after he won the senate seat. A quote from him before:

    Regardless of whether or not this legislation passes, Congress must work on a new framework for our financial system. In this hour of crisis, we have a rare opportunity to protect future generations from the turmoil we have seen. We must seize this opportunity, not simply bail out the very people who created this crisis.

    What’s changed Tom?

23. #123
    On December 11th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, CantCureStupid said:

    I can happily report that McCrery is a lameass duck Representative who is retiring, and this is his last opportunity to give conservatives the finger.

24. #124
    On December 11th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    FWIW, I sent an email to Doug Lamborn thanking him for his principled vote against the bailout.

25. #125
    On December 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pm, JHSII said:

    I have to wonder why the republican party keeps thumbing its nose at its Conservative base – when that very same Conservative base is pretty much the only reason the party ever had any power in the first place?
    When the republican party wants Conservatives back, they’ll do things to bring us back. Voting for these bailouts only shows the republican party as the democrat party lite.

    Leadership not Management!!

26. #126
    On December 11th, 2008 at 5:21 pm, misterbee241 said:

    If we can give the AIG’s and the Wells Fargos and the JPMorgans of the world — each of those individual companies — between $40 and $45 billion,” then certainly the carmakers deserve a $15 billion bridge loan.

    And therein lies the keyword – “give”.

27. #127
    On December 11th, 2008 at 5:33 pm, misterbee241 said:

    On December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am, dan708 said:
    I’ll definitely be writing Sen Bob Casey (D-PA) and Sen Arlen Magic-Bullet Specter (RINO), even though I don’t think it will have an effect.

    One of my senators is a democrat and the other one is a RINO who is leaving office after 40 gazillion years to be replaced by a real democrat. No use contacting those two.

28. #128
    On December 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, misterbee241 said:

    On December 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, crashemt said:
    Simply 237 traitors to the Constitution, whose names are now recorded for all to see their crimes.

    And it wont matter one iota to the voters come election time.

29. #129
    On December 11th, 2008 at 5:50 pm, walterc said:

    I noticed that my Congresswoman (Barbara Cubin) pulled another (one of MANY) no show. Oh well, that’s better than the yes vote she made in September for the Crap Sandwich Banker feeding frenzy.

    G’bye Babs. DLTDHYOTWO.

30. #130
    On December 11th, 2008 at 11:24 pm, winemkr said:

    No bailout!

    They must restructure.

    Our tax dollars are going to go to the bloated union demands, not he modernation of the production facilities.

31. #131
    On December 12th, 2008 at 1:29 am, vatodio said:

    Simple rule of the nature:

    Survival to the fittest.

    The end of the Big three is not the end of our economy.

    Absence of cars from the big three in the market will be supplemented by Nissans and Toyotas building more cars in their US plants.

32. #132
    On December 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am, MtsEdge said:

    I have to wonder why the republican party keeps thumbing its nose at its Conservative base – when that very same Conservative base is pretty much the only reason the party ever had any power in the first place?

    JHSII, it defies logic. I was very disappointed to read about Udall (above) who changed his position AFTER being reelected. To me that seems to be a prime example of the problem…pols who use conservatives to gain office, then stab them in the back when it’s time to actually stand up for conservative principles (I realize Udall is a D, but there are a few good ones out there ).

    Good news, too, that the Senate canned the bill!!