Obama stimulus plan nears $1 trillion

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 13, 2008 10:10 AM

The Wall Street Journal calls the rapidly expanding Obama stimulus plan “meatier.”

Meatier?

I think they mean crappier.

We’ve graduated from Crap Sandwich to Crap Super Stuffed Sub.

The stimulus boondoggle went from $300 billion to $500 billion to $600 billion to $1 trillion in less than a month.

Give me your over/under that it’ll double by the time it gets to the Spreader of Wealth’s desk next month.

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  1. #1
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:26 am, formerwm said:

    I guess we should just sign our paychecks over to Obama and team…that is if we have a paycheck!

  2. #2
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:27 am, Crazy Horse said:

    Can they really be this stupid??

  3. #3
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:28 am, ironman said:

    Crap is the new meat filler….the meatier it is,the crappier it tastes!

  4. #4
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:28 am, Just A Grunt said:

    Who said there were no long term effects from drug use?

  5. #5
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:28 am, FamilyMan said:

    Ah! Excuse me, but where is this money coming from?

  6. #6
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:29 am, Devil's Advocate said:

    I see a $1.5 Trillion by March.

  7. #7
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:31 am, iamsaved said:

    Do I hear 2 trillion? If he’s going to bankrupt the country, why not do it in style?

    I’ll take mine in gold or silver bullion.

  8. #8
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:33 am, DanGrantTx said:

    A government bailout gold mine.

    The companies get the gold, and the taxpayers get the shaft.

  9. #9
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:34 am, FamilyMan said:

    It will never work. This has been tried many times in many countries. Does any one know of historical data where this form of economics is sustainable?

  10. #10
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:40 am, zorro said:

    The Soviet Union has finally won the ideological war. We have become “them”.

  11. #11
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:41 am, seveneleventy said:

    over/under? That’s a joke, right?
    Eventually, wiping your butt with US currency will be more cost effective than using toilet paper.

  12. #12
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:52 am, ajmontana said:

    Cool! He can afford some baseball players! whoooo Hooo!!! :shock: :

  13. #13
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:53 am, TXGator said:

    Hey, look at the good news. Our borders are wide open, those who won’t help themselves are supported for life by the government, and we have a socialist president beloved by 62 million adults.
    What could go wrong?

  14. #14
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:53 am, FamilyMan said:

    Tax the rich.
    Does anyone here remember the luxury tax a few years ago. Yacht sales and construction went overseas.
    GEEESS!!

  15. #15
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:55 am, shooter said:

    double by the time it gets to the Spreader of Wealth’s desk next month.

    Under. By next month.
    BUT, if we look further into the next year? Way over.
    It seems as if B Hussein, the Spreader of Wealth, will buy us completely into socialism by 2011.
    Carter started it, Clinton fed it with super-nitro and Bush seems to have lost his mind and fell in with the liberal socialists and re-fueled the monster.

    My guess is that if B Hussein goes eight years in office, you will not get to pick a job by 2015….since our gov’t will own everything, every school, every business, every bank, etc, they will have a Czar Head Hunter to PLACE your children in their jobs-for-LIFE.
    The Dems think equality means everyone has the same of everything, unless you’re in a union…. then you have a little more. Kinda like the KGB.

  16. #16
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:56 am, madchef said:

    So, this is what they mean by “Going Green”. They will print $100 bills until they aren’t worth a dime.

  17. #17
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:57 am, FamilyMan said:

    I had only three economic classes at a state college. Do these ivy league boys know something I don’t know? How the hell can this work?

  18. #18
    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:59 am, stevevvs said:

    Diana West:
    Snip
    But in no story is what we may one day come to think of as Obama’s invisible man-hood more obvious than in the still-roiling controversy over Obama’s birth certificate.
    What controversy? Anyone who relies solely on MSM outlets (and most conservative outlets) may not even know that Obama has, to this day, not authorized the state of Hawaii to release his Certificate of Live Birth — the “long form” — to prove that he is a “natural born citizen” (NBC), a Constitutional requirement of all presidents. Instead, We, the People, have online access to an Obama document known as a Certification of Live Birth, which, as Randall Hoven explains at American Thinker blog, is a computer-generated short form that is not even accepted by the Hawaii Department of Home Lands as adequate verification of Hawaiian identity. (The Home Lands Department requires “information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth,” or long form.) Further dimming the online document’s Holy Grail aspects, it has been altered — the certificate’s number has been redacted — which, according to a statement printed on the document, actually invalidates it.

    But that’s not all. Back on Oct. 31, Hawaii’s director of health, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics, released a statement verifying that the Hawaii’s Department of Health has Obama’s “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

    Well, that’s just great. But no matter how many times this statement from “Hawaiian authorities” is cited as the NBC clincher, it doesn’t prove a thing. It turns out, as Hoven reports, that Hawaii issues birth certificates even for babies born elsewhere, so simply having an original Hawaiian birth certificate “on record” doesn’t answer the key questions. Namely: What exactly does this original birth certificate say? And why doesn’t Obama simply authorize the document’s release and be done with the question?

    This is some of the background to the birth-certificate controversy. According to the same MSM reporting that omits Obama from everything, however, the controversy is the sole, self-inflicted creation of people unreasonable enough — no, kooky enough — to be concerned about the issue. This includes citizens who have gone to court (up to the U.S. Supreme Court) in more than a dozen states with various NBC-related complaints, all of which could be resolved by the release of Obama’s original birth certificate. It also includes followers of radio shows or Internet forums including KHOW’s Peter Boyle in Denver, the blog Atlas Shrugs and the news Web site WorldNetDaily.com, which have aggressively covered the story.

    In the MSM’s no-Obama version of events, though, such efforts and interest are mocked as the freakiest kind of lunacy. And this same MSM argument has lately been trumpeted by prominent conservative voices.

    “Shut up about the birth certificate,” David Horowitz wrote this past week.

    Shut up? Is he kidding? Apparently not. Horowitz went on to tell “fringe conservatives” and “birth-certificate zealots” that their “continuing efforts” to “deny Obama his victory” are “embarrassing and destructive.” NRO’s Mark Krikorian, in turn, congratulated Horowitz for “stomping on the ridiculous, bitter-ender efforts to disqualify Obama from the presidency.” Michelle Malkin, too, pooh-poohed the “birth-certificate hunters,” describing them as having “lurched into rabid Truther territory.”

    (“Truthers,” by the way, are people who believe the United States engineered the attacks of 9/11.)

    I disagree. I think it is nothing less than good citizenship to seek to verify that Obama is a “natural born citizen” since our elites, which include the major political parties and the MSM, failed to bring the matter to its extremely simple resolution long ago.

    But while important, this isn’t just a story about whether we as Americans are right or wrong to ask our president-elect the question about his original birth certificate. It is about whether our president-elect is right or wrong not to answer it.

    Once again, Barack Obama is treated as though he were not even a part of this story. Those who seek to resolve the birth certificate controversy draw the fire, but not the man who causes it. Talk shows, court battles and blogs can air the issue, but it is only Obama who can put it to rest. And he can do it simply by authorizing the release of his original, “long form” birth certificate — and quickly, preferably before the Electoral College meets to validate his election on Dec. 15, but certainly before his term of office begins on Jan. 20, 2009.

    Unless, of course, he has something to hide.

  19. #19
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:00 am, FamilyMan said:

    The only way this can work is if there is complete word wide control.
    WOW!
    I JUST SCARED MYSELF.

  20. #20
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:00 am, stevevvs said:

    Yes, I think it should be produced (NBC)

  21. #21
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:01 am, TXGator said:

    Family, why do you continue to let facts and precedent rule your mind? In the New World, we must consider how policy makes us feel. It’s time for the oppressed to get payback, and sticking it to the rich just feels right. Even if it bones themselves. The rules of economics don’t apply in a socialist wonderland, right up until they do.

  22. #22
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:01 am, single stack said:

    The people who caused our economic problems are being touted as the people who will solve the problems they created, using policies that have failed 100% of the times they have been tried.
    It looks like these fools really do believe you can spend your way to prosperity and that socialism will work if only the right people are running things.
    To know whether or not they are going to succeed or fail you only need to look to history.
    I think we’re looking at another 2 trillion plus and economic collapse.

  23. #23
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:03 am, prendad said:

    Two of my strongest beliefs are being proven here.
    1. The correct solution to a problem is usually the hard one, NOT the easy one. and 2. Most, if not all, evil comes from laziness and human beings are basically lazy.
    So now I hear that people are starting to purposely miss their house payments so that they can get a free handout. I also see that the auto industry is claiming that it cannot exist another month without a multi-billion handout. Hmmmmmmm. What it REALLY sounds like to me is that more and more people are ready to settle for the blue pill like in the science fiction movie MATRIX. Ignore reality. Just keep thinking that more and more money is the answer to everything. It reminds me of an old war movie where two high ranking Nazi officers are discussing Hitler’s idiotic war strategy:
    Field Marshal Erwin Rommel: You seem perfectly willing to accept this nonsense, Jodl. Why?
    General Alfred Jodl: [chuckles] Because I am not prepared to dispute the Fuehrer.

    Field Marshal Erwin Rommel: You can afford to be an optimist. I can’t.

    Col. Gen. Alfred Jodl: In 15 minutes, we meet with the Fuhrer. He will want to know how you intend to deal with Patton’s forces.
    Field Marshal Erwin Rommel: I will attack and annihilate him…!
    [long pause]
    Field Marshal Erwin Rommel: …before he does the same to me.

  24. #24
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:03 am, pueblo1032 said:

    #1 FORMERWM had it right… Under SOCIALISM (communism) you just give the GOVERNMENT all your money, they give you what they don’t NEED… I don’t understand the POWERS THAT BE, thinking that we can spend our way out of this “PROBLEM”… All of us, at one time have found ourselves in a position of “in over our asses”… Whether it was from an unforeseen EMERGENCY, or a stupid DECISION on our parts… We all know you do not SPEND your way out of it, you adjust your SPENDING according to your NEW ASSET LEVELS… But of course that was when we ALL practiced RESPONSIBILITY for OUR ACTIONS… What a unique IDEA!!!

  25. #25
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:08 am, ironman said:

    The Dems think equality means everyone has the same of everything, unless you’re in a union…. then you have a little more.

    Hence the ‘unionization’ of the entire country.

    ___________

    Romans 1:22 “Professing themselves wise,they became utter fools”

  26. #26
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:08 am, TXGator said:

    A great percentage of our populace hasn’t been responsible for quite a long time. The Great Depression made Americans tough and resilient. Almost be worth another one to change the mentality of take, take, take so many Americans cling to today.

  27. #27
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:10 am, FamilyMan said:

    TXGator said:
    Family, why do you continue to let facts and precedent rule your mind?

    Something about rational linear thinking thats addictive. Because it’s addiction, I need to purify my body of such archaic dogma. I must need the really smart people from the truth squad.

  28. #28
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:12 am, single stack said:

    and quickly, preferably before the Electoral College meets to validate his election on Dec. 15,

    The electoral college won’t meet to “validate” his election. They will meet to elect the president on Dec.15. The presidential election hasn’t been held yet.
    The presidential election is not on Nov. 4, it is on Dec. 15. The president is not elected by popular vote. See Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution.

  29. #29
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:16 am, madchef said:

    Obama’s strategy seems to be, spend money until we are all living in mud huts, then when his brother moves here from Kenya he will feel right at home.

  30. #30
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:19 am, TXGator said:

    Family Man said:
    “I need to purify my body of such archaic dogma.”

    You sure do, but don’t worry. Its’ nothing that can’t be cured by a little re-education. The first step is to toss away common sense, historical study, and those pesky and mean stone cold facts.

  31. #31
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:19 am, Fat Jolly Penguin said:

    So this is how he plans to destroy America — by spending us into oblivion.

  32. #32
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:23 am, TXGator said:

    The Truth Squad will be much like the Geek Squad from BestBuy, except their vans won’t open from the inside. That, and they only install new governments.

    Anybody else wondering why they’re paying the mortgage? Besides being responsible and all that jazz?

  33. #33
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:29 am, FamilyMan said:

    TXGator said:
    The Truth Squad will be much like the Geek Squad from BestBuy,

    I thought BestBuy was in financial trouble.

  34. #34
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:30 am, Pat said:

    May the good Lord help us. We’ll soon be carrying dollars in a wheelbarrow to buy bread.

  35. #35
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:30 am, Paul Revere said:

    The Dems think equality means everyone has the same of everything

    And by that we all know you mean equal misery for everyone…except the uppity folks in DC and various other uppities

  36. #36
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:31 am, Kevin K. said:

    FamilyMan said: (#9)

    It will never work. This has been tried many times in many countries. Does any one know of historical data where this form of economics is sustainable?

    You’re forgetting that this time The One, the one his followers call Messiah, is in charge. Thus, history schmistory, all will be right.

    Also known as: “Economics? We don’t need no stinkin’ economics.”

  37. #37
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:34 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 10:52 am, ajmontana said:

    Cool! He can afford some baseball players! whoooo Hooo!!!

    What I want to know is how are people still maintaining a high end lifestyle in this economy. I make a pretty good salary and even with living single I still blow away the two income middle class standards. But even I cant afford baseball, football or hockey tickets.

    I dont keep up with sports… but they are still offering some kid a 5-yr $82 million pitching contract?

    Who has all this spare money????????

  38. #38
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:35 am, FamilyMan said:

    This is opportunity folks. Lets all mortgage ourselves to the max and buy hard assets. The economy will hyper-inflate and we’ll all be rich.
    OPPS!
    I forgot Obama wants to tax the rich to the max
    Forget it
    GEEESS!!

  39. #39
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am, rightisright said:

    2 items, both very important to the future of this once great country.
    1. is there not more than a few, 5 to 10 legislators that actually know enough basic economics to realize what causes inflation? ‘Free to Choose’ by Milton and Rose Friedman should be mandatory reading in order to hold office in government on any level…and take a test on the book.
    2. I don’t appreciate being told to shut up or to be quiet when my concerns about the constitution are possibly being violated. I don’t believe the birth certificate in question is so much an attempt to block Mr. Empty Head from becoming president, as it is citizens that believe in the constitution. The constitution is not a living piece of tripe like most dems like to imply it is, actually it’s the document that provided the governmental ground work that made this country the greatest in history of mankind. Now let’s live by it…all of it, not just the parts we like.

  40. #40
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:38 am, FamilyMan said:

    RabbidSquirrel said: I make a pretty good salary.

    Ah good an Obama tax target.

  41. #41
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:42 am, FamilyMan said:

    rightisright
    Amen!!
    Our Constitution was written to limit the powers of the federal government.,

  42. #42
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:42 am, TXGator said:

    All this pessimism about Obama can only be attributed to one thing:
    Racism.

    Why can’t you believe a black man can overturn history and the structure of economies throughout recorded time?

    Racism, pure and simple.

    Obama can do anything….I look for him to create a perpetual motion machine soon. Maybe cold fusion is in the works, too.

  43. #43
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:45 am, beenthere said:

    It is very easy to stop inflation. It is impossible to stop deflation, and world-wide deflation is what is happening right now, the ~70% drop in oil prices over just a few months being the best measure of it. I suspect at some point next year the governments of the world that now officially love us (e.g. China), will tell us to STOP! Get a grip of your currency. We are not going down with you. However it is done, the spending spree will come to a halt.

    Obama is a fool, at least as big as Bush, which is saying a lot. Worse, he is a kind of fool “magnet” much more so than Bush, his goal being what Steyn calls the “Cook Countyfication” of America. Destruction is all that he will achieve, all that he can achieve.

    Fortunately, come 2010 the Republicans will . . . Well, what will they do? Be absorbed into what I whimsically term the Neo-Socialism Democrat American Party (NSDAP)? The way things are going, we will be lucky to have elections in any form come 2010. Obama is crazy talking. An all out nuclear attack on Iran after it hits Isreal? He’s lying of course, but still when is this man going to get real?

    As Sowell has hinted and I agree with, nothing but a military take-over, not the happiest of options obviously, can save what is left of the country.

  44. #44
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:46 am, TXGator said:

    Again, I take issue with all you cold-hearted conservatives that keep insisting on the “rule of law” and following the provisions of the “Constitution”.
    It’s about time you racists got with the program and learned the most equal form of government(socialism) will be the fairest of all. Equality in every way for everyone! YAY!

  45. #45
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:49 am, ajmontana said:

    rabbid,
    I dont keep up with sports… but they are still offering some kid a 5-yr $82 million pitching contract?

    Who has all this spare money????????

    The Yankee’s alone just picked up 2 players at the winter meetings in Vegas for a cool 243.5 million.
    My team, the Angels just made an 8 year offer to Mark Teixeira for at least 160 million…. :shock:

  46. #46
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:49 am, Valiant said:

    Remember when a trillion bucks in government spending was a lot of money?

    They have all gone mad led by Bush and his cronies.

  47. #47
    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:54 am, FamilyMan said:

    jmontana said:
    The Yankee’s alone just picked up 2 players at the winter meetings in Vegas for a cool 243.5 million.

    How many dollars would they make per hit if they bat 400.
    GEEES!

  48. #48
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, JHSII said:
  49. #49
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, txvet2 said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:49 am, Valiant said:

    Remember when a trillion bucks in government spending was a lot of money?

    To misquote Dirksen, “A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon you’re talking real money”.

  50. #50
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, FamilyMan said:

    If a $100,000,000 player bats 400 and is around for 20 years and plays every game in the season he will make $25,000 per hit. Obama can then tax him $15,000 per hit.

  51. #51
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, FamilyMan said:

    All we need is 30,000 highly paid baseball players to pay all or our taxes.
    Works for me. I love baseball.

  52. #52
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, txvet2 said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, FamilyMan said:

    All we need is 30,000 highly paid baseball players to pay all or our taxes.
    Works for me. I love baseball.

    Where do you suppose the owners get the money?

  53. #53
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, Patrick Britton said:

    Meanwhile, in the White House, the Republican Party’s presidential pride is bailing out the world. We’re so afraid of Obama but Bush is no better. Nationalize the bank industry, now the car industry, what’s next Mr. so-called conservative?

  54. #54
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, FamilyMan said:

    txvet2 said:
    Where do you suppose the owners get the money?

    From $1,000 gate for left field and five hours of commercial per game.

  55. #55
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Ah come on Patrick . How can we ignorant masses possibly understand big financial decisions. They know better. They’re Ivy league educated.

  56. #56
    On December 13th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, Surveyor said:

    The bailout, a different perspective…

    “Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country to a pack of nit-wits who couldn’t make money running a whore house and selling booze?”

    idiots.

  57. #57
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 11:38 am, FamilyMan said:

    Ah good an Obama tax target.

    Ohhh, in any administration I am a tax target. I subsidize EVERYONE.

    Other than dumping to a 401k and the standard deduction, I receive no tax breaks. Stimulus check? Never seen one.

    This week I calculated my disposible income – basically I am on par with a teenage Wal-Mart worker who lives at home with their parents.

    Sometimes I just wonder why I dont say screw it and go live like Ted Kaczynski (without the bombs lol)

  58. #58
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, shooter said:

    The Great Depression made Americans tough and resilient. Almost be worth another one to change the mentality

    Ya know, that might be the simplest smartest comment in weeks. Almost is key.
    The full depression can be avoided with Chapter 11 when and where needed. Chapter 7 for total train wrecks.
    More than half of the Washington Pols are paid ‘employees’ of Fannie, Freddie, unions, etc. Until that is smashed to bits, we can’t fully come out of this.

    The main causes of Fannie/ Freddie and UAW / the Big 3 IS the Democrat party. If we don’t recognize and fully grasp this, we won’t even get started.

    The defining moment(s) of this century was Chris Dodd calling for the firing of a CEO.
    Barney Frank chastising others for impropriety. Pelosi blaming others for failure. And the MSM was pretty much silent.

    We could start by removing all unions. There must be hundreds if not thousands of laws to protect workers.
    Unions are 50 years past there usefulness yet they arrogantly blame everyone else.

    How much is spent on unions? In one year?
    Anyone know?

  59. #59
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, ajmontana said:

    They know better. They’re have Ivy league educated growing out of their ears..

  60. #60
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    If his grandmother’s condo is available, I’ll settle for that as my stimulus.

  61. #61
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    They know better. They’re have Ivy league educated growing out of their ears..

    To be fair to the Ivy League, they do hate their own Business Schools. Don’t they stand up and turn their backs at Harvard when the B School people get their diplomas? At least they cling to their delusions as religiously as Pennsylvanians do their guns.

  62. #62
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, RetFireman said:

    We’ve graduated from Crap Sandwich to Crap Super Stuffed Sub.

    Are you kidding?

    We have now opened up the “Hometown Buffet”.

    Step right up and stick out your plate and demand the government hand-out that you are entitled to. Obama Bless US ALL!!!!

  63. #63
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, rplatt said:

    Obama told the press that the treasury had plenty of ink and lots of paper and he just doesn’t understand why people are concerned . . . not to worry, if we run out of money we’ll just print more.

  64. #64
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, lgm said:

    The only Republican President post WWII worth a darn was Eisenhower. He invested in infrastructure — the interstate highway system.

    Now I want to give up a little to build America for my kids. I’m willing to invest in the infrastructure of tomorrow. Only the greedy refuse to pay taxes.

  65. #65
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, wrcnossen said:

    You’re looking at this all wrong! Just think of the time that will be saved by putting every earmark, boondoggle, and payback in one bill. Then they can just put effort in The People’s Business.

    /sarc off

  66. #66
    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, wrcnossen said:

    Much of this spending is not going to infrastructure. Unless you count bike paths, museums, and a multitude of small legislator- named projects as infrastructure. this is one huge payback for unions and others who supported The One.

  67. #67
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, GaryG said:

    A trillion is a lot of money but if you keep spending it, amazingly soon, there will be no more…this country is run by a bunch of dopes and taking us with them.

  68. #68
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:08 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    Oh, come on. What’s all the whining about? It’s not like this is REAL money, it’s TAXPAYERS money! Every Democrat knows that Taxpayers money is free! It’s primary purpose is to buy votes.

    BTW – the bidding on Hillary’s senate seat starts in a few hours on Ebay.

  69. #69
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I’m willing to invest in the infrastructure of tomorrow.

    Your PT Cruiser is on the way.

  70. #70
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm, ajmontana said:

    and how many of the “jobs” will be of the illegal persuasion? and to low bidders for inferior work? or overpaid contracts? whose going to be overseeing all this? Congress? rofl.
    Waste will be monumental. Obama’s an idiot.

  71. #71
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, calamityville said:

    Hey lgm. When was the last time you voluntarily paid extra taxes? If you and all your demtard pals would pony up some more tax money the rest of us would not have to suffer as much.

  72. #72
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, single stack said:

    Only the greedy refuse to pay taxes.

    That’s the most idiotic, asinine statement I’ve read in a very long time.

  73. #73
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, flmom said:

    That’s the most idiotic, asinine statement I’ve read in a very long time.

    You’ve obviously not read any of lgm’s other posts. Par for the course for lgm.

  74. #74
    On December 13th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, RockyR said:

    lgm, do you toque up before every post you make to this board?

  75. #75
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, madchef said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, lgm said:

    Only the greedy refuse to pay taxes.

    Spoken like a true LOOTER.

  76. #76
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, otcconan said:

    Bad, bad move.

    The sooner we let existing businesses fail, the sooner we allow those with better business models to succeed.

    As the Stars and Stripes editor in Full Metal Jacket said, it’s a big s*** sandwich and we all have to take a bite. I’d rather take my bite and vomit quickly than be forced to sit down to a full-course 4-s*** meal.

    Let the business fail when it fails and succeed when it succeeds. Any and all contrary arguments may be addressed by forcing the opponent to read Adam Smith.

    I may have only got A’s in macro and micro-economics on the way to my degree, but it’s simple. Make a crappy product and your business fails. GM made a crappy product for 30 years and now we ALL have to suffer? To hell with that. Who should suffer are the union bosses who foisted this on us when they negotiated un-managable legacy costs on the auto industry.

    Let GM fail. Toyota, Honda, and Nissan are expanding operations in this country and there’ll be plenty of jobs for those workers (provided they swallow the crap they have been trying to force US to swallow).

    No sympathy for those companies. And I drive a Ford.

  77. #77
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, lgm said:

    The only Republican President post WWII worth a darn was Eisenhower. He invested in infrastructure — the interstate highway system.

    The interstate highway system was designed for National Defense and the quick mobilization of troops/arms to and from strategic ports, not for commerce or a jobs program. Commerce was a side benefit and the Interstate was not meant for Priuses.

    Hmmm, Republicans::National Defense what are the odds.

  78. #78
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, Socky said:
  79. #79
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Your PT Cruiser is on the way.

    My childs mom died in a PT Cruiser a couple of years ago. Seriously. Head-on collision that didnt even break the windshield. Seat belt was fine too. (not looking for sympathy, its just a anecdote)

    I traveled for a living at the time. And guess what are the FIRST TWO RENTAL CARS I got assigned to.

  80. #80
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm, RockyR said:

    It’s hard to refute the benefits of the Interstate Highway system. It’s also quasi-difficult to refute the benefits of NASA. Not all government investment is bad, just most of it. It is has to be limited and rational.

    The issue at hand here is that our current problem does not stem from limitations imposed by our infrastructure. Our current problems stem from structural flaws in our system that are redirecting capital to unproductive and value-destroying uses. Reallocating capital to “create jobs” through make-work by taking the money by force and redistributing it to the unproductive does nothing to address these structural imbalances and does nothing to create sustainable, GDP-enhancing enterprises – it only further exacerbates the problem at the eventual expense of our currency.

    Government needs to remove itself from as many parts of the economy as possible, and let people put their minds to work creating sustainable businesses based on value-creating products and services and let them get rich in the process.

    Just my 2 cents.

  81. #81
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, Socky said:

    So, how well is lgm’s “tax ourselves into prosperity” plan working in California? From what I hear, not so much.

  82. #82
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, lgm said:

    Only the greedy refuse to pay taxes.

    Then go ahead and pay all of your income in taxes. Invest in America until you drop dead from starvation, you little patriotic altruistic collectivist.

  83. #83
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, rambler said:

    He’s just building the economy from the bottom up. He just hasn’t figured out that welfare recipients don’t create jobs and neither does the gov. Oh, well!
    Lame duck POTUS and he hasn’t taken office yet.

  84. #84
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Socky said:
    So, how well is lgm’s “tax ourselves into prosperity” plan working in California? From what I hear, not so much.

    I think their debt is at 40 billion dollars now. Their budget has grown by 40% in just 4 years. YUP! lgm stimulus must work.
    OH! I’m sorry they can’t print their own money like the feds. That would make it work.
    GEEESSS!

  85. #85
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Punishing the successful to reward the non-successful is a recipe for failure. Punish success and you’ll get less of it. Reward failure and you’ll get more of it. How long can you bleed producers to feed non-producers before the leeches suck all the blood from their hosts and everyone starves to death?

  86. #86
    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Well, look at that. I can admit when I have not fully done my research. I amend my original position and stand corrected by myself.

    Original Intent: Purpose of the Interstate System 1954-1956

    My perception was based on Eisenhower having been in the Army and how he had done the research in the US and had seen it be implemented as the Autobahn in Germany. I neglected to update my position with regard to domestic political concerns of the time or that Eisenhower had become a Commie.

  87. #87
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    A City Perspective

    Beginning February 21, 1955, Senator Al Gore, Sr., Chairman of the Subcommittee on Roads of the Committee on Public Works, began hearings on the National Highway Program.

    Did not know this little tidbit of information……

    Al Sr. invented the Interstate Highway and Al Jr. invented the Information Highway (e.g. the internets)

    [actually to be fair, Al Jr never said he invented the Internet – only that he helped to enable the funding of the roll out of it)

  88. #88
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, lgm said:

    Socky said:

    So, how well is lgm’s “tax ourselves into prosperity” plan working in California?

    California, despite it’s present deficit, is the most prosperous state in the union. It has the largest economy. Silicon valley is one of the only things keeping America competitive. Or you could look at a solid Republican state like Mississippi — one of the poorest in the nation despite it’s balanced budget.

  89. #89
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:09 pm, RetFireman said:

    You know…lgm has an unbelievable track record for saying some of the most ass-inine, ridiculous, foolish and unbelievably uninformed things on the entire Internet…and that is without embellishment. Yet this last statement of his has severely outdone every single one of them.

    Making a statement about a President and what he has done without knowing ANYTHING about that President or the reasons things were done (Every couple of miles on an Interstate it is to be…by law…so many feet of straightaway so that military aircraft can have a runway should the need arise)and then follows it up with a statement about taxes that shows absolutely NO understanding of the system in general, what his messiah is planning on doing with said tax monies or what raising taxes to the levels it will take to pay for all of his false god’s plans would do to not only this country’s economy, but to the entire global economy in general.

    Every time I see a post by him I think two things:

    1. Why is it that Michelle continues to leave this uber-troll on here to spread his foolishness and nonsense when it is offensive to anyone with even a room temperature IQ and

    2. No one…and I mean NO ONE could POSSIBLY be this absolutely ignorant, stupid, uninformed and an all around d-bag and still have the faculties required to care for themselves on a daily basis without the assistance of trained medical personel.

    And then he posts something like this and I figure the only reason she allows him to post is to have a permanent record for all to see of just how stupid and ignorant etc., etc., that Liberals are on a generalized basis.

    On December 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    the PT Cruiser used to have…though since I have been retired I have not kept up on the stats the last two years…the absolute WORST safety rating of any car on the road. It was so bad that I wondered how they could possibly be allowed onto the road. I think they have improved them, but they pretty much failed every crash test they had. Yet people continued to buy them because of their looks.

    My condolences, friend, for your loss. I write this stat only as a warning to others to check the crash ratings on cars before they buy. they really do matter.

  90. #90
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm, FamilyMan said:

    lgm said:

    California, despite it’s present deficit, is the most prosperous state in the union. It has the largest economy

    Not if you measure the per capita earnings sport. Try again

  91. #91
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm, Socky said:

    California, despite it’s present deficit, is the most prosperous state in the union.

    Translation: My house is burning down, but it has very nice furniture.

  92. #92
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    While I am on a roll…

    I am not against NAFTA (in theory) or the North American Union itself. I am against how the politicians are manipulating us in order to eventually get toi that Union. Its going to happen eventually no matter what we, the American people, say.

    The Politicians cant tell us that we need a National Defense Security Initiative but then tie our hands behind our back.

    They cant say we need secure borders and homeland security but then not fund it.

    They cant fire up Nationalistic phobias and not expect the Amercian people to react negatively when they shoot us down as clingy extremist right-wingers.

    Washington needs NEW MARKETING. Sell the people on where we are going, but dont tax us into oblivion and dont decimate us on the world stage. If I step back, the Obama team is kind of doing that BUT they are doing it with a socialist/class warfare theme rather than a capitalist theme.

    If people want to immigrate here, we would more than love for them to do that – as long as they assimilate and are pro-America. I have no problem annexing other countries under the capitalist banner so that everyone gets a piece of their own pie. Not take my pie and divy it up.

  93. #93
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:17 pm, Socky said:

    lgm may be dumb enough to think government bureaucrats can spend his (and by *his* he means *mostly other people’s*) money more effectively than he can… and in his case, he may be right.

    I would choose freedom, instead.

  94. #94
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, seveneleventy said:
  95. #95
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    California sliding toward $41.8B budget deficit

    All that does is tell me there is about to be a tsunami of Silicon Valley companies/engineers, middle class peoples and gang bangers that are about to swarm the rest of the US.

    And get ready for a lot more idiots to try and California-ize the rest of us. Hopefully most of the libs go north and not east.

    My advice is to invest in U-Haul!

  96. #96
    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:39 pm, seveneleventy said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    All that does is tell me there is about to be a tsunami of Silicon Valley companies/engineers, middle class peoples and gang bangers that are about to swarm the rest of the US.

    And get ready for a lot more idiots to try and California-ize the rest of us. Hopefully most of the libs go north and not east.

    My advice is to invest in U-Haul!

    I’m trying to verify a report I heard on cable that 144,000 people pay 50% of the taxes in California. I was hoping they’d repeat it, but they haven’t. It just doesn’t seem feasible, but…

  97. #97
    On December 13th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    I heard on cable that 144,000 people pay 50% of the taxes in California.

    Ive paid all the income taxes to them that I will EVER pay to them again. And only a couple more months of another matter in my favor and I never have to deal with them again.

    good riddance

  98. #98
    On December 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, FamilyMan said:

    seveneleventy said:I heard on cable that 144,000 people pay 50% of the taxes in California.

    That’s about right.

  99. #99
    On December 13th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    My childs mom died in a PT Cruiser a couple of years ago.

    I’m terribly sorry to hear that RabbidSquirrel. I picked that car from the Big 3 because I too have rented them and was totally undwerwhelmed by them. I apologize if my remark hurt in any way. The best to you and your child.

  100. #100
    On December 13th, 2008 at 5:24 pm, seveneleventy said:

    On December 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, FamilyMan said:

    That’s about right.

    It may be correct, but every time I hear numbers and statistics reported on television, they are usually contradicted within a couple of days. I like to be able to link to an article, otherwise…well, you know, you’ve commented on blogs.

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