Anti-Christmas moron of the day: Ban Rudolph!

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 15, 2008 09:44 AM


Rudolph Derangement Syndrome

I know. It’s too early on a Monday for Grinches. These people are so tiresome and joyless, they aren’t worth mustering up outrage over — just pity.

Pity the Rudolph-basher:

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was almost grounded at Murrayville Elementary School this week after a parent complained about the classic Christmas song’s inclusion in her daughter’s upcoming kindergarten concert.

The objecting parent was upset about the words “Christmas” and “Santa” in the song, feeling that they carried religious overtones.

That prompted the song to be pulled from the upcoming holiday concert, which in turn upset more parents.

…“They have clearly decided that any other religion or custom is not important,” the objecting parent said after learning about the reversal on “Rudolph.” She asked that her name not be published, to shield her daughter’s identity.

The mother, who is Jewish, said she was trying to have a Hanukkah song added to the musical lineup but had not received a return phone call about it from school officials by mid-afternoon Friday.

…Sean Dwyer, whose daughter is also in the kindergarten class, had complained Friday morning about Rudolph getting muzzled.

Friday afternoon he said he thought school officials had made the right call by reinstating the popular Christmas song.

“It wasn’t my point in the beginning whether it was about religion or not,” Dwyer said. “The children have been learning this for weeks, and some person was trying to push their own personal feeling and agenda for this for their own child alone, and you just don’t do that.”

But until late Friday morning, Rudolph wasn’t going anywhere.

Murrayville Principal Julie Duclos said the school decided to pull the song after the parent complained “to make sure that we were actually paying attention to everybody’s interest, that we were not choosing somebody’s interest over another.”

“If we had enough time in the PTA program to sing a song for every single interest and value system, then we could do it,” she said. “But when you can’t do that, you go to universal values that are agreed on by every faith, every denomination. We wouldn’t want to leave anybody out.”

Like Glenn Beck says, “Happy RamaHanuKwanzMas!” It’s the PC time of year:

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  1. #571629
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:49 am, sonofdy said:

    The PC thought police are watching!!!!

    Crap like this is why I am seriously considering having the twins educated overseas.

  2. #571630
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:49 am, sonofdy said:

    The PC thought police are watching!!!!

    Crap like this is why I am seriously considering having the twins educated overseas.

  3. #571632
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:50 am, sonofdy said:

    Speaking of twins….

  4. #571634
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:50 am, Socky said:

    One nutjob has to ruin it for everyone else. Why is it that the people who get determine the proper level of tolerance are the most neurotically hyper-sensitive people in our society?

  5. #571636
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:52 am, CantCureStupid said:

    She asked that her name not be published, to shield her daughter’s identity.

    Reindeer puckey. She asked that her name not be published so that other people won’t know what a snipe she is.

    People like this (even the cowardly Anonymous ones) are really deserving of pity. I can’t imagine what it must be like to go through life being constantly offended by random nonsense.

  6. #571637
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:52 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was almost grounded at Murrayville Elementary School this week after a parent complained about the classic Christmas song’s inclusion in her daughter’s upcoming kindergarten concert.

    The objecting parent was upset about the words “Christmas” and “Santa” in the song, feeling that they carried religious overtones.

    Wow…holidays must be really fun in this house!

    Seriously – if this parent objects so strongly to her daughter even singing “Christmas” and “Santa”…what a miserable, joyless childhood. Further proof that if you scratch an atheist, you find a fundamentalist.

    And why doesn’t she just respectfully withdraw her child from the program?

    I mean, it’s not like in Canada, where it’s a hate crime to take your child out of a lesson you find objectionable. So stop being a Grinch.

    And – before you liberals even say it – the girl will just have to deal with being singled out. Her mother choses to offend the majority of Americans who either celebrate Christmas for religious reasons, or have sense enough to realize there is a secularized version of the holiday, too. This mother has no right to infringe upon the rights of her 20+ classmates and school to celebrate Christmas as they see fit.

  7. #571641
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:53 am, pianoman said:

    Last time I checked, “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” was NOT a religious song. That poor kid is in for years of therapy.

  8. #571642
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:54 am, FilmLadd said:

    The mother, who is Jewish, said she was trying to have a Hanukkah song added to the musical lineup but…

    Where’s Adam Sandler when you need him?

  9. #571643
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:54 am, sonofdy said:

    I mean, it’s not like in Canada, where it’s a hate crime to take your child out of a lesson you find objectionable


    YET…

  10. #571646
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:57 am, pianoman said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:52 am, CantCureStupid said:

    People like this (even the cowardly Anonymous ones) are really deserving of pity. I can’t imagine what it must be like to go through life being constantly offended by random nonsense.

    Bingo, CCS. As I said in another thread, what a sad, pathetic life it must be to feel offense at the slightest provacation, and to feel hatred at the smallest perceived wrong.

    I don’t feel as sorry for the parent as I do the child, however.

  11. #571647
    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:59 am, englishqueen01 said:

    The mother, who is Jewish, said she was trying to have a Hanukkah song added to the musical lineup but…

    Okay…now, wait a minute. She’s Jewish, and wants a Hanukkah song added…but objects to other songs’ “religious overtones” (and a song that isn’t even religious, at that!)

    Now, I’d have no problem adding in a Jewish, Hannukah song to the program. It is a holiday that falls at this time of year and some are really beautiful.

    By why is political correctness always achieved through subtraction? “Oh, can’t offend Jewish students, so no Christmas songs!” “Oh, can’t offend Muslims, so no Jewish songs!” “Oh, can’t offend atheists, so no references to any holidays with even the slightest religious connection!” “Oh, can’t offend the perpetually-miserable, so no joy allowed!”

    It’s a joke. Political correctness creates a desert, a culture devoid of anything but miserable people complaining all the time that they’re “offended” and someone else’s rights must be infringed upon to stop said offense.

    :roll:

  12. #571651
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:08 am, BayStateRepublican said:

    EQ, that was poetry. Well put.

  13. #571653
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:09 am, thefoundingfathers said:

    Reason No. 7845627271…. to homeschool your children. I wonder if the offended mother contributes to the ACLU?

    Is the Dreidel song offensive too?

  14. #571655
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:10 am, jrlingreenbay said:

    Adding to your point, EnglishQueen…

    It’s not okay for 1 Jewish student to sing a Christmas song ( non-religious ), but it IS okay for 20 non-Jewish students to sing a Hannukah song ( most likely religious ). THAT would make the situation ok?

    How about this – agree to sing the Hannukah song & then, in the interest of fairness, add “Silent Night”.

  15. #571658
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:13 am, Bruce said:

    Let me guess … Obama supporter.

  16. #571661
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:15 am, Truesoldier said:

    I am just glad to see that the other parents spoke out and let it be known what a crock this was. Good for them!

  17. #571662
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:17 am, Jaded said:

    You know these schools should have whiplash the way they are constantly twisting their necks to please someone! I think they ought to just shut down schools period because the way they teach offends me!

    I am one person and I should get my way!

  18. #571665
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:18 am, LOBOMAN said:

    What I find most offensive is the knee-jerk reaction because of ONE parents complaint………….

  19. #571667
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:20 am, nbarry said:

    I wonder if this mother realizes that a reindeer is a kosher animal.

  20. #571669
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:20 am, PercyJ said:

    She asked that her name not be published, to shield her daughter’s identity.

    And yet she already outed herself as most likely the kids know who it is.

  21. #571672
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:22 am, DBNinKY said:

    In a related topic: Have any of you noticed how PC ABC Family’s classic Christmas cartoon/stop-action specials have become?

    I tried watching them with the kids a year or two ago, in an effort to share with them what my childhood Christmases were like, and the edits and deletes were so glaring and obvious that many of the shows had little to no continuity, or were just completely unwatchable due to lack of story.

  22. #571673
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:22 am, FamilyMan said:

    englishqueen01 said:Political correctness creates a desert, a culture devoid of anything but miserable people complaining all the time that they’re “offended”

    Thank you. I’ve been trying for years to discribe the after affects of PC and ‘CULTURE DESERT” IS PERFECT.

  23. #571674
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:23 am, bj1126 said:

    Reading between the lines here it sounds like this lady wanted a Hanukkah song and used that song as a reason that the Hanukkah one be included. In typical bureaucrat fashion they pulled Rudolph instead.

  24. #571675
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:23 am, iamsaved said:

    Hannuka is a minor Jewish holiday. Kwansa is a fairly recent “made up” holiday by an ex-inmate, and Eid is a moving target based on when Ramadan falls.

    Christmas has been the traditional holiday at the end of December that not only signifies the birth of Jesus but has been celebrated in this country by the giving of gifts; Santa Claus; Christmas carols; and familiar stories like Rudolph the Rednose reindeer.

    Not only is this story a case where the one dictates to the many, it is endemic of the political correctness that is pervading this society. The best example are the stores refusing to use the word Christmas in their decorations and advertisements.

    As far as I’m concerned, since they want to kick Christmas out of their stores, I’d say boycott them and let them depend on the “gift-giving” of those who celebrate Kwansa, Hannuka, and Eid for their sales revenue this Christmas.

    I only purchase Christmas gifts from stores that say Merry Christmas rather than only “Happy Holidays”.

  25. #571677
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:24 am, ladcraig said:

    My nephew, who goes to public school, has been staying with us the past week while he’s out on “Winter” break. He had had a “Holiday” program at school and wanted to sing the songs to us that he had performed at school. Bless his little heart, he had no idea that “We Wish you a Merry Kwanza” was not the original lyric – which is the whole point, I guess. Later my husband said, “I’m so glad that we are homeschooling our son.” To which he added, “Let them get their own songs.” I left out a few words, but he wasn’t exactly feeling the “holiday” spirit at that precise moment.

  26. #571679
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:26 am, CantCureStupid said:
  27. #571680
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:27 am, ctmom said:

    Has this mother not heard of Hebrew school?

  28. #571681
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:27 am, Lan Astaslem said:

    thefoundingfathers said:
    Is the Dreidel song offensive too?

    I have a little dreidel, I made it out of clay
    And when it’s dry and ready, with dreidel I shall play.
    Oh, Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel, I made you out of clay
    Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel, with Dreidel I shall play.

    *snort*

    Seriously though… EQ nailed it. I have to wonder if there is any chance we will ever be able to stop this slide into the abyss.

  29. #571682
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am, WrathOfKhan said:

    The flying reindeer, the sleigh, etc., are all derived from Siberian shamanism.

  30. #571683
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am, Insomniac said:

    The offended mom’s last name isn’t Broflovski by any chance? Does she have a son named Kyle?

  31. #571684
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am, Craig said:

    Rudolph, the magenta-nosed reindeer
    had a very shiny nose.
    And if you ever saw him (or her) you would even say it glows (thanks to neo-con nuclear proliferation)

    All of the other racists, bigots, and homophobic reindeer used to laugh and call him (or her) names,
    They never let the obviously oppressed Rudolph join in any rightwing wacko games

    Then one foggy Happy Holiday’s Eve
    Santa, an icon of capitalism and what’s entirely wrong with Amerikka, came to say:
    “Rudolph with your nose so bright,
    won’t you guide my green powered small carbon footprint sleigh tonight?”

    Then all the reindeer loved him (or her) as they spoke up using their outside voice with glee,
    Rudolph the magenta-nosed reindeer,
    you’ll go down, like most endangered species, in his (or her)tory!

  32. #571686
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:31 am, Socky said:

    Leftists will still claim the ‘War on Christmas’ is a myth concocted by Bill O’Reilly.

  33. #571689
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am, TXGator said:

    I’m a bisexual, pedophilic, sheep-loving, 1/8 Chicano 3/5 aborigini, post-operative tranny Wiccan priest. Where are my songs in the program? Since I have none, no one should have any. Tolerance!
    You better accept me, you @#$#%?! bigots!

  34. #571692
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:33 am, prendad said:

    Let the name of Rudolph be stricken from every book and tablet. Stricken from every pylon and obelisk of Egypt. Let the name of Rudolph be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of man, for all time.
    *snark*

  35. #571696
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am, PBoilermaker said:

    PC bastages.

  36. #571698
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am, FamilyMan said:

    TXGator said:
    I’m a bisexual, pedophilic, sheep-loving, 1/8 Chicano 3/5 aborigini, post-operative tranny Wiccan priest.

    GEE!
    BAD IMAGE FOR THE DAY.

  37. #571708
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am, TXGator said:

    If I had to pinpoint the one thing that was holding this country back from greatness, it was Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
    I pray to Mother Earth, Al Gore, and THE ONE we stamped it out in time.

  38. #571710
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:46 am, CJ said:

    If the very words “Christmas” and “Santa” are so powerful, I hope this woman never lets her daughter leave the house in December. Shopping malls, grocery stores, even gas stations could be places of potential exposure. You just never know when a kid might run into a cardboard cutout of a fat guy in a red suit, and presto, next thing you know, the kid runs off to join the Southern Baptists.

    Better unplug the TV and all radios, too. Who knows what profane words the tiny ears might hear during a commercial.

  39. #571711
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:47 am, joetimek said:

    I’m just curious…what religion is Rudolph part of anyway? Scientology?

  40. #571713
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:48 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I have to wonder if there is any chance we will ever be able to stop this slide into the abyss.

    Yes – we can. MASSIVE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

    Your kid’s school bans red and green colors? Merry Christmas? Cards? Gifts? Flood the school with all of them. Talk to other parents – most (even non-Christians) are likely to agree with you – and get them involved.

    Are they really going to suspend an entire school because 95% of the kids show up in red and green, shout “Merry Christmas” in the halls, and exchange gifts and cards? Maybe. Some might be tyrannical and petty enough when their mandates are challenged.

    Most will give in.

    What’s the saying? “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance”? We only stop this slide into the abyss by fighting back.

  41. #571714
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am, davidjamesduprey said:

    Where’s the Festivus for the Restivus song and the Ramadan song and the Atheist song and the Agnostic song and the Ralians song and the hermit who lives in a cave in the desert and never comes out because he’s afraid of a bomb being dropped on his head’s song…

    You have to be all-inclusive y’know!

    PS: And, why are they only singing in English! Its racist to not sing in Spanish, Mongolian, etc…

  42. #571716
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:50 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    TXGator said:
    I’m a bisexual, pedophilic, sheep-loving, 1/8 Chicano 3/5 aborigini, post-operative tranny Wiccan priest.

    Still need to see your birth certificate if your running for president.

  43. #571718
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am, englishqueen01 said:

    And, why are they only singing in English! Its racist to not sing in Spanish, Mongolian, etc…

    Have you heard Mongolian throat singing?

  44. #571721
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am, sonofdy said:

    TXGator said:
    I’m a bisexual, pedophilic, sheep-loving, 1/8 Chicano 3/5 aborigini, post-operative tranny Wiccan priest.

    AHHHH happy whatever???

    Take this gift and never tell me what happens to it.

  45. #571730
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am, kwyoung said:

    Political correctness creates a desert

    Well put. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw once which read: “I’d rather be right than politically correct.”

    Having gone to a very liberal public school myself, It’s well worth the sacrifices my wife and I make to send our kids to private school.

  46. #571736
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:03 am, Milwaukee Mike said:

    The song about a reindeer who isn’t accepted because he is different, then gains acceptance when everyone learns that everybody has value, is null and void by the tie to Christmas?
    Jerk!

  47. #571738
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am, madchef said:

    The objecting parent was upset about the words “Christmas” and “Santa” in the song, feeling that they carried religious overtones.

    Sure thing lady, as soon as you can show me where in the constitution it says seperation of church and state.

  48. #571739
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am, TXGator said:

    Let’s make this one lady happy by telling her Rudolph was a North Polish Jew.

  49. #571744
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am, Veretax said:

    You know I hate to say it, but stuff like this is going to result in many school districts pulling most if not all music supports. Which is sad because of how music enriches the lives of people everywhere :/

  50. #571746
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:10 am, FamilyMan said:

    Excuse me, but isn’t Christmas a federal holiday and therefor protected. If these PC crowds want to remove Christmas from our culture, they can petition congress. That should fun to watch.

  51. #571747
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:12 am, b-cat said:

    Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was almost grounded at Murrayville Elementary School this week after a parent complained about the classic Christmas song’s inclusion in her daughter’s upcoming kindergarten concert.

    The objecting parent was upset about the words “Christmas” and “Santa” in the song, feeling that they carried religious overtones.

    Okay, I have to ask. What about the rest of the “Holiday” songs in the concert. Is Rudolph the only Christmas somg or the most religious?

  52. #571753
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:17 am, mojoe said:

    Sorry for the violent imagery, but…I’d like to see the Abominable Snowman and Yukon Cornelius yank this woman’s head off and put it on top of the Christmas, er Holiday?, Winter Solstice tree.

  53. #571754
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:19 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    …“They have clearly decided that any other religion or custom is not important,” the objecting parent said after learning about the reversal on “Rudolph.” She asked that her name not be published, to shield her daughter’s identity.

    Grow up. What a terrible example she is setting for her child.

  54. #571758
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    “to make sure that we were actually paying attention to everybody’s interest, that we were not choosing somebody’s interest over another.”

    Well, you just took everybody’s interest away…except for one lady.

  55. #571764
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:27 am, rambler said:

    Part of living in a free society is the right to be offended. These nuts need to get over themselves. We can’t take everthing out of the public area which might, at some time, be perseived as offensive to some super thinskinned wacko who wants 15 minutes of fame. The rest of us might like to enjoy the season without being reminded that not everyone is a christian.

  56. #571774
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am, b-cat said:

    Everybody I know celebrates Christmas including the Jewish and secular progressive people.

  57. #571779
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:42 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    She should be sent to the Island of Misfit Toys

  58. #571795
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:58 am, IndyRich said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 9:54 am, FilmLadd said:
    The mother, who is Jewish, said she was trying to have a Hanukkah song added to the musical lineup but…
    Where’s Adam Sandler when you need him?

    Right here, Ladd!!

  59. #571796
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:58 am, frostrt said:

    Ridiculous.

    May his beak keep blinkin’ like a blinkin’ beacon forever!

    “I’m cute, I’m cute, she thinks I’m cuuuuttteee!”

  60. #571799
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Hopefully some bold individual will break into Handel’s Messiah and let “objecting parent who wished her name with held” deal with it.
    A number of years they made a movie about Objecting Parent: The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. I would put that Objecting Parent’s name all over town. Objecting Parent denigrates Gene Autry’s version of Rudolph the Red Nosed Raindeer.

    Saddle up Saturday Matinee cowboys-we ride at dawn!

  61. #571805
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, b-cat said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:
    Gene Autry’s version of Rudolph the Red Nosed Raindeer.

    Saddle up Saturday Matinee cowboys-we ride at dawn!

    I grew up with that song, my mother had it on LP. She was a huge Gene Autry fan when she was a child!

  62. #571809
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    Ah me, always the peace maker…
    Here’s some songs to celebrate the “Winter Festival” and not outrage the intolerant fools ’secular assertive’ among us:

    “We Three Leaders of Unspecific Gender From An Unnamed Asian Community Are.”

    “Hark The Herald Imaginary Creatures Sing”

    “I’ll Be In A Homeless Shelter For Kwanzaa”

    “I’m Dreaming of a Race Immaterial Non-Religious-Specific Celebration in Winter”

    “Guiding Influences We Have Sensed on High”

    “Oh Come all Ye of Extreme Loyalty to Non-Material Evidence”

    “Oh Population Challenged Suburban Village In Evil Jewish Occupied Palestine”

    Come on! Everyone sing along!!!

    Deck the halls with artificial boughs of non-endangered plant species
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    ‘Tis the season to be self-actualizing,
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    Don we now our alternate-lifestyle apparel
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    Toll the ancient non-denominational-winter-solstice-holiday carol
    Fa la la la la, la la la la

    See the blazing log of on-denominational-winter-solstice-holiday- non-endangered wood before us,
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    Play the harp without unnecessary brutality and join the chorus
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    Sing we emotionally stable in a collective group effort
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    Heedless of the weather patterns despite the effects of global warming
    Fa la la la la, la la la la

    Fast away the chronologically challenged year passes
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    Hail the new year without any implicit ageism, ye persons
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    Dance in a non-hierarchical manner in merry measure,
    Fa la la la la, la la la la
    While I tell of non-materialistic, non-denominational-winter-solstice-holiday treasure
    Fa la la la la, la la la la!!!

  63. #571812
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, It's Vintage, Duh said:

    If you’re going to ban Rudolph, ban it because it’s boring and depressing, not because it talks about Christmas.

  64. #571813
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    The objecting parent was upset about the words “Christmas” and “Santa” in the song, feeling that they carried religious overtones.

    Seriously people – many issues here, but would someone pleeeaaasse show me the organized religion that involves Santa?

  65. #571815
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    …“They have clearly decided that any other religion or custom is not important,”

    Let’s start by explaining Christmas…

  66. #571824
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, frostrt said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:
    Ah me, always the peace maker…
    Here’s some songs to celebrate the “Winter Festival” and not outrage the intolerant fools ’secular assertive’ among us:

    —————————————-

    LOL! :)

    “We wish you a green, eco-friendly, vegan Winter Solistice . . . and a funless New Year . . . “

  67. #571833
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, LarryD said:

    And – before you liberals even say it – the girl will just have to deal with being singled out. Her mother choses to offend the majority of Americans who either celebrate Christmas for religious reasons, or have sense enough to realize there is a secularized version of the holiday, too. This mother has no right to infringe upon the rights of her 20+ classmates and school to celebrate Christmas as they see fit.

    The only country I know of where Jews aren’t a minority, is Israel. Jews have had to deal with being a minority for nearly two thousand years. Did she lose the memo?

    Here’s a secret ;-) A lot of the liturgy and lyrics used in Christian services come from Jewish sources. Jewish Psalms? Used every Sunday in the liturgy. And quite a few Christian hymns use Jewish Psalms for lyrics, either directly or by inspiration.

    So who is it who has issues here?

  68. #571836
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, Southpaw said:

    This is a classic example of why the PC culture is doomed to failure, it involves a clash of values that can’t be resolved:

    Rudolph has a physical deformity, his shiny nose. Banning songs about him is a violation of his civil rights under tha Americans With Disabilities Act.

  69. #571839
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, sonofdy said:

    This is the problem with this country, people think they have the right not to be offended.

  70. #571842
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, Jvette said:

    Actually there are some Christian overtones to the Rudolph story.

    Rudolph=Christ, both were rejected by the mainstream of society and gathered around them the weakest and least expected heroes.

    Rudolph, like Christ wandered about, without a home, unwelcome where they came from. During their wanderings, they meet characters who were sick and also rejected by society because they didn’t fit in.

    Like Christ who searched for the lost sheep and came for the sinners and healed the sick, Rudolph, rescued the misfit toys, healed the Abominable Snowman and cured Cornelius of his hate and anger.

    Christ is the light of the world who brought the gift of forgiveness and salvation. His birth was heralded by the angels who sang, “Peace to men of goodwill.”

    Rudolph’s nose lit the way so that Santa could bring gifts to all the good little girls and boys.

    Rudolph was then accepted by everyone as a savior. Christ, of course, is the Savior and one day, every knee will bend in praise of His Glory.

  71. #571846
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, tre said:

    Alright then. Replace that with Your a Mean One, Mr. Grinch.

    And all of the students can say EXACTLY who inspired it!

  72. #571851
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, Stewed Hamm said:

    I’ve been in this lady’s situation, and while I probably wouldn’t have handled it the same way as she did, I’d rather have all sides of the story before I pass judgment on her. Reading the full article makes it clear the the officials tried to put on a secular program, and not refer to one specific faith over another.
    The problem is that while Santa and Rudolph aren’t religious figures, they aren’t exactly secular either. No they’re not based on scripture, BUT they pretty much give out gifts to one specific group of kids, and there’s only one religion I know of that has saints. To everyone that isn’t Christian, Santa is very much a religious figure.

    Still, I don’t think that’s the meat of her complaint. It’s not that they didn’t include a Hanukkah song, it’s that they were supposed to be putting on a secular program, but when she finally finds out which songs they’re singing there’s a Christmas song included.
    I deal with this issue every year, and I make it clear to the music faculty that while I don’t want to be “That Guy” who shits all over the kids’ concert, but non-scriptural does not equal secular.

  73. #571853
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    Rudolph has a physical deformity, his shiny nose. Banning songs about him is a violation of his civil rights under tha Americans With Disabilities Act.

    Only if his shiny nose substantially limits a major life activity.

    I am not sure being unable to participate in reindeer games would qualify.

  74. #571856
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, Elizabeth said:

    My grandson’s third grade put on a “Holiday” concert. It was the most PC program I had ever heard. The theme was “gifts without wrappings.” The first song alluded to how much trouble is in the world (with the kids chanting “Tsunamis, disasters, hunger…” in the background and how noble it was to give. The kids wore white shirts, no Jesus, no carols, just Santa Claus.

    I didn’t say anything to him, but my eldest grandson and I just looked at each other, shook our heads, and sang Christmas carols on the way home.

  75. #571859
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, b-cat said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    C’mon now, they used to laugh and call him names!

  76. #571862
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, Socky said:

    I am not sure being unable to participate in reindeer games would qualify.

    I’m pretty sure Title IX covers that.

  77. #571872
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, Insomniac said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, Socky said:
    I am not sure being unable to participate in reindeer games would qualify.
    I’m pretty sure Title IX covers that.

    They ended up eliminating the reindeer games because they didn’t have gender-based parity in participation and funding. It’s a shame, really.

  78. #571874
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, TXGator said:

    The train with the square wheels was definitely disabled. The cowboy riding the ostrich was living an alternative lifestyle. The Bird Fish in a Hindu god. The Unwanted Doll had all sorts of psychological issues stemming from her fear of abandonment and crippling depression.
    All victims in our society, deserving of special treatment and entitled to help from the government.
    On the other hand, Rudolph was straight, able to work, and used what the good Lord gave him to better his life.
    If anything, we’d be taxing Rudolph as a working citizen. We’d also make him buy carbon credits, as his nose would most certainly give off heat, warming the planet to unsustainable conditions.

  79. #571875
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    if ya don’t like what’s on change the channel….it’s not like there isn’t more than 3 network stations on the air anymore…geeze…PC is and will be our undoing…

  80. #571877
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, TXGator said:

    Was Yukon Cornelius Canadian? That might qualify as a disability, what with their high tax rates and nationalized health care.

  81. #571879
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, NJRepublican said:

    That’s why as soon as my daughter was born, we started saving for Catholic school. I just wish 50% of my property taxes didn’t get sent to the public school. They don’t even like to mark Christmas on the calendar.

  82. #571886
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    It’s probably a good thing that schools are generally not in session on July 4. Imagine the outrage from the left if schools allowed kids to even read the Declaration of Independence let alone celebrate it?

    They simply HATE AMERICA including just about every single piece of American history and tradition that got us here going back to the Pilgrims.

  83. #571889
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, John Deaux said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am, TXGator said:
    I’m a bisexual, pedophilic, sheep-loving, 1/8 Chicano 3/5 aborigini, post-operative tranny Wiccan priest.

    And nyk thought she was the only one.

  84. #571896
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, feebiebabe said:

    This time last year in the business district of San Francisco they had a Sit with Santa Photo display up for only two days.

    Instead of the usual elves and reindeers they had Polar Bears and Seals…. uhhh, OKAY!!!! :roll:

    Happy PCdays!!!!

  85. #571903
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am, TXGator said:
    I’m a bisexual, pedophilic, sheep-loving, 1/8 Chicano 3/5 aborigini, post-operative tranny Wiccan priest.

    How much government funding does THAT bring in? You could give Jesse Jackson 1 & 2 a run for the title! You could be Secretary of Something for BroBama.

    I assume you’ll be moving to Illinois or Massachusetts? I would suggest New York but Caroline Kennedy would gut you like a fish.

  86. #571906
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    This time last year in the business district of San Francisco they had a Sit with Santa Photo display up for only two days.

    Dude, would you let your kid sit in a stranger’s lap in SF?

  87. #571910
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Every since I heard this story I have been suspicious of Rudolph. I think we all ought to take a second look at him before singing his praises…

    Prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union, my wife and I had an opportunity to visit Moscow. It is a beautiful city with friendly people, all eager to help us enjoy our visit, including Rudolph Karnekov, the personal guide assigned to us by the concierge of our hotel. Moscow-born and bred and a former member of the Politburo, Rudy was very knowledgeable about the city and every aspect of Russian life, as well. We spent every moment possible out exploring the city, despite the often unpredictable Moscow weather.

    One day, as we prepared to leave the hotel for a visit to a winery on the outskirts of Moscow, it began to rain/sleet/snow. I, at least, was sure it was snow. My wife was equally sure it was rain, and insisted upon a visit to a local department store, to purchase an umbrella. I thought the shopping spree was a waste of time – who needed an umbrella for a little snow? (Besides, I really wanted to get to that winery!) Well, a lengthy argument ensued which threatened to ruin the day’s excursion, until my wife suggested we defer to someone whose judgement about local weather conditions was sure to be above reproach — namely, our Muscovite guide. “After all,” my wife insisted, “Rudolph, the Red, knows rain, Dear!”

  88. #571913
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Marauder said:

    Rudolph is, like, the least religious Christmas song ever.

    The extreme secularization of schools just gets dumber and dumber. One year when I was in college and Easter and Passover were on the same day, the school still wouldn’t schedule spring break during that time period. Wouldn’t acknowledge anything religious even if it was a special day for two different major world religions.

  89. #571931
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    This kind of PC stupidity has reached moronic levels. The idea that the state cannot acknowledge that Christians exist and celebrate holidays is beyond comprehension. The fact that Christmas has become highly secularized and is celebrated by Hindus and Jews and others of different faiths seems to make no difference to the PC crowd. It is now meaningless, non-religious symbols like Rudolph the red-nosed Reindeer they object to. This is nonsense and lunacy.

  90. #571942
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, sonofdy said:

    merry freaking christmas. ugh….

  91. #571949
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, roadrage said:

    Excuse me, but isn’t Christmas a federal holiday and therefor protected. If these PC crowds want to remove Christmas from our culture, they can petition congress. That should fun to watch.

    Careful, man. With the nutjobs that are running both houses of congress now, and the republicans who just roll over for them, this kind of thing could actually happen.

  92. #571950
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, roadrage said:

    Excuse me, but isn’t Christmas a federal holiday and therefor protected. If these PC crowds want to remove Christmas from our culture, they can petition congress. That should fun to watch.

    Careful, man. With the nutjobs that are running both houses of congress now, and the republicans who just roll over for them, this kind of thing could actually happen.

  93. #571953
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, docflash said:

    Maybe we just need to do away with schools.

  94. #571998
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    We have done away with public schools in my home. Our house is a “public school free zone” and our kids are learning about faith and religion and all manner of subversive ideas like the constitution, original intent, limited federal government, etc.

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