Are you proud of yourselves, anti-Prop. 8 mob?

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 15, 2008 10:19 AM

I’ve blogged several times about how the anti-Prop. 8 mob hounded the El Coyote restaurant in Los Angeles over the $100 donation of its longtime manager, who happens to be a practicing Mormon.

Now, read this — a closer look at how the mob ruined the manager’s life:

A life thrown into turmoil by $100 donation for Prop. 8

Pat yourselves on the back, tolerance bullies.

(Hat tip – Jane Q Republican)

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  1. #571671
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:22 am, Truesoldier said:

    It would not surprise me to find out that the torching of Palin’s church had to do with Prop 8 too. Remember the MSM made a big deal about her Pastor and her speaking out against gay marriage.

  2. #571676
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:24 am, PercyJ said:

    This just makes me want to donate next time they vote on this. Sore Losers, and it’s even better knowing how big a failure their “Call in Gay Day” was.

  3. #571678
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:25 am, sonofdy said:

    Gay brownshirts…..

  4. #571687
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am, flmom said:

    Sad thing is, they probably are patting themselves on their backs.

  5. #571690
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:33 am, Milwaukee Mike said:

    Some of the 89 employees, many of them gay, have had their hours cut, and layoffs are looming.

    But we don’t want a burrito filled with hate, do we?

  6. #571703
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 am, englishqueen01 said:

    think organized Christian religion reached new levels of hypocrisy in using the Bible to preach discrimination and promote the initiative.

    From the article. Funny how *we’re* the hypocrites for doing exactly what the Bible tells us (when properly interpreted and read…i.e., when not read or interpreted by liberals), but the people who want tolerance and diversity treat us like crap.

  7. #571704
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Hateful Gay bigots.

    Yeah.. tolerance my ass. This woman expresses her political opinion through a donation and the Gay Mob attacks her and her employer.

    The people that are attacking her are a disgrace to the human race.

  8. #571706
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:44 am, sonofdy said:

    But we don’t want a burrito filled with hate, do we?

    But the hate adds such a spicy flavor!!!

    ;-)

  9. #571707
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    We’ve got Eco-Terroists…

    What’s the best moniker for these terrorists? Any suggestions?

  10. #571719
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am, redpeach said:

    Doesn’t the article’s accompanying picture just speak love and tolerance? I can’t believe the LA Times actually ran this article (yet the writer can’t completely focus on this poor woman but HAS TO jab Christians and Mormons somewhere, stil…).

  11. #571722
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am, jangar said:

    Al-Gayda

  12. #571723
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am, CantCureStupid said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    We’ve got Eco-Terroists…

    What’s the best moniker for these terrorists? Any suggestions?

    We’ve been using al-Gayda around here… I can’t remember who came up with it, but it stuck.

  13. #571724
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    think organized Christian religion reached new levels of hypocrisy in using the Bible to preach discrimination and promote the initiative.

    Nothing hypocritical about selectively targeting Mormons. I seem to recall that Prop 8 had many supporters, hailing from all walks of life. Notwithstanding – Muslims whose support of this initiative hasn’t brought out the likes of Steve Lopez to denounce them publicly… cowards. The lot of them.

  14. #571725
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I thought Al Gayda was already chosen.

  15. #571726
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:54 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am, CantCureStupid said:
    We’ve been using al-Gayda around here… I can’t remember who came up with it, but it stuck.

    Big Ange came up with it.

  16. #571727
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Got to type faster.

  17. #571732
    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:58 am, CantCureStupid said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:54 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
    Big Ange came up with it.

    Thanks… Such brilliance should be appropriately recognized. :)

  18. #571740
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am, Anita said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:22 am, Truesoldier said:
    It would not surprise me to find out that the torching of Palin’s church had to do with Prop 8 too. Remember the MSM made a big deal about her Pastor and her speaking out against gay marriage.

    Right on. The MSM – until they start to behave like the “Real” 4-th estate things like this will go on. (At least Iraqi-press had the decency to apologize to W – US press would never do that.)

  19. #571745
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am, greenfairie said:

    The left has no real conscience to feel bad about anything. It’s easy when you ditch right and wrong and use ideology instead. It’s easy when you dehumanize your target and use the excuse that they are haters to project your hate unto them.

  20. #571749
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:13 am, happy2behere said:

    I vote with my feet when I am annoyed by the overt poltical expression of an artist or business owner. It is every person’s right to do so. But loud angry mobs over a personal donation of $100? That’s intimidation.

  21. #571756
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:19 am, tpitman said:

    How many African-American and Latino -owned businesses and churches have been the target of protests? Apparently Proposition 8 was overwhelmingly opposed by the black community, and by the majority of Latinos, all of whom strangely have not been received the “attention” of the Pro 8 crowd. Curious. It must simply be an oversight, since the gay community so ardently promotes “diversity”. I guess the rainbow is missing a few “colors” when it’s pitchfork and torch time.

  22. #571757
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am, combat18 said:

    Of course they are proud, the hate anyone who disagrees with them. They are totalitarians, just ones who engage in buggery, unlike Stalin, but Stalinesque the same.

  23. #571759
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:21 am, happyscrapper said:

    Pretty soon, they will want permission to try and recruit straights to the gay lifestyle and if you refuse, you are a bigot. They will want Federal funding to set up recruiting stations, demanding equal space such as the military has. They are destroying any credibility they had for their “cause”. People are so fed up now, the gays are going to start feeling a backlash and their cause will be set back for years. It is that old saying, “give them an inch and they’ll take a mile”. I always felt we should have tolerance and they should have the ability to live their lives as they choose. But now, I feel like I want them to go back into that closet and STAY there! Yeah, they are definitely not helping themselves.

  24. #571762
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:23 am, DanGrantTx said:

    Disgusting that these hypocrites consider themselves martyrs when they are not the ones paying the price for sticking to their personal beliefs.

  25. #571763
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am, BKennedy said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Rogue Cheddar said:
    I thought Al Gayda was already chosen.

    Personally I prefer The Gaystapo, coined by Mike Adams.

  26. #571766
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am, ChicagoRobb said:

    The article came up with a great idea though. Why don’t we who support traditional marriage boycott Apple? If we start hitting the left in their wallets, they may wake up. Worked with Ford.

  27. #571767
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:30 am, right_on said:

    Heterophobia? Discrimination? Intolerance? Envy? Coveting? Hatred? Jealousy? Injustice?

    The gay crowd and their supporters are nothing, if not emotional. Yet…these people want us to act, live, and think rationally in the face of this vitriole?

    I think they’re on to something here! What would I do, and how would I act if I wanted to get people to like me, or take my side of an argument? Yeah, that’s the ticket!

    Yep, they’re changing MY mind alright!

  28. #571770
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 am, tpitman said:

    Additionally, I’d suggest that the owners close on Thursdays. The gay clients that normally frequent the restuarant on that particular day can get their cheap eats somewhere else. It would also be nice to see a more visible and audible presence of the gays who find those whose protests border on riots detrimental to the gay push for societal inclusiveness.

  29. #571773
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:36 am, sonofdy said:

    The nazi brownshirts where also proud of themselves as they drove out those hate filled intolerant jews.

    :roll:

  30. #571780
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:43 am, happyscrapper said:

    My husband’s nephew is gay, and he is angry and embarrassed by this. He lives his life quietly and honestly, and feels like these extremists are destroying all the good will the rest of them have worked so hard to get. Just remember, these wackos do not represent the majority of gays, they are just the most visible.

  31. #571781
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:43 am, frostrt said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:36 am, sonofdy said:
    The nazi brownshirts where also proud of themselves as they drove out those hate filled intolerant jews.

    —————————————-

    Here, here. To compare rioting, extortion, and harassment to people choosing not to listen to the Dixie Chicks is ludicrious.

  32. #571786
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:50 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

    Personally I think the protesters should be identified and then have their lives ripped apart and torn inside out. Protests outside of their work place, death threats in their mail, shouting mobs outside their house.

    All we have to do is post their pictures on the internet with the caption “Supports Japanese Whaling Fleets” (or something as equally heinous to the left)

    It’s going to be unGodly ugly.

  33. #571793
    On December 15th, 2008 at 11:57 am, fmfnavydoc said:

    Gay terrorists…maybe butt pirates???

    /sarc

    I’m so tired of hearing the mantra of “tolerance for me, but not for thee” from all of these extreme “special interests” groups – as far as I’m concerned, they’re hypocrites for their stand. If they truly believed in “tolerance”, they would not resort to harassment or violence when they don’t get their way.

  34. #571800
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, FireBlogger said:

    Margie tried to smooth things over last month by inviting gay clients to a free lunch to talk it over, but she left in tears when asked if she would write a check to the group challenging Prop. 8.

    These people are effed up. This is the America our troops are fighting for?

  35. #571801
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Typical hypocrisy. They want tolerance, yet they’re unwilling to have any towards those that oppose their views.

  36. #571802
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, madshark said:

    Back when I was in high school and studying vocabulary words that I usually forgot within an hour of taking the test in English, there was one phrase that I learned that has remained with me through the years.

    Quote from Wikipedia:

    A Pyrrhic victory (IPA: /ˈpɪrɪk/) is a victory with devastating cost to the victor.

    The phrase is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. After the latter battle, Plutarch relates in a report by Dionysius:

    The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.[1]

    In both of Pyrrhus’s victories, the Romans lost more men than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers, so their losses did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus’s losses did to his.

    I can’t help but think that this whole episode has been a Phyrric victory for the same sex marriage movement.

  37. #571803
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:05 pm, Gorebot said:

    Gayness per-se is a non-issue (as long as it stays private); however, these birth defects are an abomination.

    Since they seem to love having things crammed up their posteriors, they should be obliged. All that need be done is change the instrument to a telephone pole (with splinters, no vaseline).

    Short of that, anyone able needs to patronize this restaurant as often as possible!!!

  38. #571807
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pm, Jvette said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 10:25 am, sonofdy said:

    Gay brownshirtsshorts

    FIFY

  39. #571808
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, Politicalguano said:

    Sounds like Americans who are gay are revealing that they do not deserve any consideration, sympathy, or support. In fact, they are giving average Americans a real reason to dislike them – by invading our right to political privacy. The invasion of the voting booth is a privacy issue that will not be tolerated and gays can expect consequences for harming voters and behaving like members of the KKK. I have zero tolerance for anyone who: (1) is rude to me; (2) violates my legal rights; (3) violates my privacy; (4) threatens me with violence. This also applies to any harm to my family.
    I hope these victims of gay hate will file complaints with the appropriate legal authorities as it seems their voting rights are being attacked. For the rest of us, we can start with boycotting those companies and agencies that donated $$$ for the anti prop 8, and to oppose gay political issues and politicians. It won’t take long for the message to sink in.

  40. #571810
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, JConrad999 said:

    The more I see this behavior by the forced views liberals, the more I realize that voting against their agenda is the right thing to do.

    I almost wish I lived in California, so I could proudly display how I would have voted against the abomination of gay marriage.

  41. #571811
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    It’s only harrasment when an abortion clinic is being peacefully picketed. Move along, nothing to see here.

    Many of the help, who are gay are about to be laid off. How does this help them?

    The Neo-Bigots are out in force.

  42. #571816
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, Southpaw said:

    Where this is all headed:

    There is an article on SFGate about Emirates Airlines flying into San Francisco. Here’s the link.

    “A couple of quotes from the article:
    “We don’t like it – it’s awful, but we have no jurisdiction outside the U.S.,” Brinkin said.
    “And while he’s not happy about it, Ammiano says, the “Muslim world won’t change overnight.”

    I expect any day now SF Mayor Newsome and a gay rights delegation will be heading over to Saudi Arabia to have a talk with the Imams about their views on homosexuality.

  43. #571817
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, sonofdy said:

    One of these idiots was trying to attack me for interfering in california politics when I am from Utah. What he doesn’t understand is that this will not stop until it is forced onto every state in the union. Every single one.The peoples will be damned. We must change everything to suit every single political entity EXCEPT conservatives. They can go to hell.

  44. #571822
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Totally OT

    Did Trib blow Fitzgerald’s Blags/Illinois corruption investigation to save a favorite son?

    http://patterico.com/2008/12/15/wsj-chicago-tribune-may-have-blown-fitzs-chance-to-capture-the-sale-of-obamas-seat-on-tape/

    I was thinking Fitz ended it early, to save Obama or his close associates bacon, but now I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Trib didn’t blow this on purpose to keep someone they like, maybe Jesse Jackson Junior, or maybe one of Obama’s associates, from being nailed.

    On Nov. 4 we’re going to elect a president to lead us through a perilous time and restore in us a common sense of national purpose.

    The strongest candidate to do that is Sen. Barack Obama. The Tribune is proud to endorse him today for president of the United States.

    On Dec. 6, 2006, this page encouraged Obama to join the presidential campaign. We wrote that he would celebrate our common values instead of exaggerate our differences. We said he would raise the tone of the campaign. We said his intellectual depth would sharpen the policy debate. In the ensuing 22 months he has done just that.

    Many Americans say they’re uneasy about Obama. He’s pretty new to them.

    We can provide some assurance. We have known Obama since he entered politics a dozen years ago. We have watched him, worked with him, argued with him as he rose from an effective state senator to an inspiring U.S. senator to the Democratic Party’s nominee for president.

    We have tremendous confidence in his intellectual rigor, his moral compass and his ability to make sound, thoughtful, careful decisions. He is ready.

    The change that Obama talks about so much is not simply a change in this policy or that one. It is not fundamentally about lobbyists or Washington insiders. Obama envisions a change in the way we deal with one another in politics and government. His opponents may say this is empty, abstract rhetoric. In fact, it is hard to imagine how we are going to deal with the grave domestic and foreign crises we face without an end to the savagery and a return to civility in politics.

  45. #571830
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, bansharia said:

    Prop 8 gays have sent white powder
    to Mormon Temples as well. I haven’t
    seen that in the media at all, perhaps
    missed it……

  46. #571831
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    net helpmsg 4006

  47. #571832
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, sonofdy said:

    It was on the news here. But I bet you didn’t hear about the white powder sent to the utah governor.

  48. #571834
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, sonofdy said:

    net helpmsg 4006. Replication with a nonconfigured partner is not allowed.

    he he he

  49. #571835
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pm, bansharia said:

    If they got their hands on a dirty bomb would they use it? sadly not so far fetched.

  50. #571837
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    “Muslim world won’t change overnight.”

    That doesn’t mean they won’t eventually get around to trying to PC-ify them into approving.

    Or maybe they’re still hoping the radical Islamists will off the Christians and give liberals a pass for being allies.

    Or maybe they know that many in the Muslim world think it’s okay to kill gay men and women…but it’s easier to bully and harrass Christians and Mormons.

  51. #571838
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, bansharia said:

    Son, I did not hear that from my friend.
    Her Temple had gotten powder as well as assorted death threats and had to close for a few days, she said Salt Lake
    had gotten powder as well.
    Thank God Son it was not the real thing.

  52. #571841
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, sonofdy said:

    That doesn’t mean they won’t eventually get around to trying to PC-ify them into approving.

    They are more likely to get a 777 right in the kisser.

  53. #571845
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, sonofdy said:

    Son, I did not hear that from my friend.
    Her Temple had gotten powder as well as assorted death threats and had to close for a few days, she said Salt Lake
    had gotten powder as well.
    Thank God Son it was not the real thing.

    Its actualy happened to a few local governors, it has only ever been on the local news. I wonder why.

  54. #571848
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, bansharia said:

    English,
    “but it’s easier to bully and harrass Christians and Mormons.”

    they cherrypick the Bible at their own risk, perhaps they need to read the Good Book ;)
    what will response be?
    oh CRAPPPP RUN for your life “girls”

  55. #571849
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, Cicero said:

    Pinkshirts.

  56. #571850
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, bansharia said:

    Son,
    doesn’t fit the storyline. Just like Palin’s Church didn’t.

  57. #571855
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, bansharia said:

    I find pleasure in seeing the vast majority of employees there are gay and will lose their job due to their own protest!
    dogs don’t…..

  58. #571858
    On December 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    they cherrypick the Bible at their own risk, perhaps they need to read the Good Book

    True.

  59. #571869
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, L.N. Smithee said:

    Southpaw wrote:

    Where this is all headed:

    There is an article on SFGate about Emirates Airlines flying into San Francisco. Here’s the link.

    “A couple of quotes from the article:

    “We don’t like it – it’s awful, but we have no jurisdiction outside the U.S.,” Brinkin said.

    “And while he’s not happy about it, Ammiano says, the “Muslim world won’t change overnight.”

    You can bet that Brinkin — enforcement chief of the “Human Rights Commission” — and Ammiano — a former schoolteacher, stand-up comedian, school board member, and city supervisor, and was just elected to the State Assembly — did the best they could to keep Emirates from coming into S.F.

    Years ago, it was Ammiano and former supervisor Mark Leno (also gay, no relation to Jay) who pioneered using financial association with the city of San Francisco as a lever to demand domestic partner benefits. Their biggest coup was threatening to hold up renewal of United Airlines’ lease at SFO if they didn’t change their benefits policies worldwide. In 1999, after fighting S.F. in court for the better part of two years, United — based in Chicago — folded like a tent and settled after an appeals court said a municipality had the right to step in where corporations were regulated federally. United announced its revised rules (affecting all 97,000 employees worldwide) like it had come up with the idea on its own.

    Leno, at a celebration of the victory, said to a crowd: “We have changed the world. We have done no less than that.”

  60. #571873
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    The Leather and Lace crowd with their S&M masters can be some nasty people. Paul warned them and us of their perversions. These people HAVE TO DAMN CHRISTIANITY, the family and anything decent to justify their life styles.

    There will no reasoning or accommodating them short of total submission. There are more like the jihadist then may wish to think they are. Damn them to Hell, the only answer it NO. But then they have created their own Metropolitan Church to lead them to perdition. They not only mock Jesus Christ but also the Holy Ghost.

    But this has always been since the Fall.

  61. #571876
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, Ron said:

    Steve Lopez of the LA Times is a condescending bigot who is mocking this poor woman (blubbering in a corner) despite his seeming disapproval of the boycott. But he’s all about bashing anybody who believes in the Bible, mind you. I think the woman’s husband is on to something. Maybe those who disagree with the treatment of Prop 8 supporters should boycott Apple.

  62. #571882
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, twofoot said:

    The Leather and Lace crowd with their S&M masters can be some nasty people.

    What does this have to do with S&M? Not all gays are into S&M and not all people who are into S&M are gay. Can we at least keep the ire focused on where it belongs?

  63. #571883
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, huggybear said:

    *we’re* the hypocrites for doing exactly what the Bible tells us

    No, your not hypocrites. You’re just a little inconsiderate for thinking other people should have to live according to your religious beliefs. In the United States, we have separation of church and state for a reason. Not everybody does what a book tells them.

    People just want their families to have the same legal protections as everyone else. That is all.

  64. #571884
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, twofoot said:

    In the United States, we have separation of church and state for a reason.

    Funny, I am looking in my handy pocket sized copy of the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution, and I can’t find any mention of “seperation of church and state”.

    You’re just a little inconsiderate for thinking other people should have to live according to your religious beliefs.

    It could also be said that homosexuals are inconsiderate for thinking that roughly 5% of the population should get to dictate to the other 95% what is “normal” and “acceptable”.

  65. #571887
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    It was on the news here. But I bet you didn’t hear about the white powder sent to the utah governor.

    Was it floral scented?

  66. #571888
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    In the United States, we have separation of church and state for a reason. Not everybody does what a book tells them.

    Trouble is huggybear they insist WE not follow our Christian beliefs either. You may not think so, they may not think so, but they do demand we abandon our beliefs.

    And ok twofoot I’ll allow your knowledge of the alternative lifestyle is greater than mine.

    :evil: :evil:

  67. #571890
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    People just want their families to have the same legal protections as everyone else. That is all.

    BS. In California they have a domestic partner law that gives them the exact same legal rights.

    It is not all.

  68. #571892
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, huggybear said:
    People just want their families to have the same legal protections as everyone else. That is all.

    Civil ceremonies give them that protection. Why do they want to sabbotage the marriage sacrament? This is a big issue with the Christians, and the gays are making a big deal out of it because they do not respect the sanctity of Christian beliefs. So I think the inconsiderate lable applies to them!

  69. #571893
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    In the United States, we have separation of church and state for a reason.

    Funny how that idiom – which does not appear anywhere in the Constitution – is always used when religious people – gasp! – express their faith publicly. But it’s never used when “tolerant” groups use the government, through the courts, to dictate policy to churches.

    You’re just a little inconsiderate for thinking other people should have to live according to your religious beliefs.

    Prop. 8 was a legal, democratic vote. In a just and democratic society. DEAL. WITH. IT. It’s not our fault that many Americans oppose gay marriage, or that many have religious beliefs.

    The alternative – bigoted rioting and harrassment of non-PC thinkers – is unappealing. Wonder who’s to blame for that…?

  70. #571897
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Cicero said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, huggybear said:

    People just want their families to have the same legal protections as everyone else. That is all.

    Gays have exactly the same right to get married as straights do. Everyone can marry someone of the opposite sex. Gays want different rights; they want marriage to be changed to accommodate their preferences. That isn’t wanting “the same legal protections as everyone else.”

  71. #571898
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Mookie said:

    It was on the news here. But I bet you didn’t hear about the white powder sent to the utah governor.

    You mean the exact same powder that was sent to the governors of Alaska, Florida, Hawaii, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Vermont, etc? The powder that was sent to the governors of 30 states?

  72. #571900
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Major O said:

    We’ve got Eco-Terroists…

    What’s the best moniker for these terrorists? Any suggestions?

    I don’t know about a moniker for this crowd, but their attitude and antics make me think of the title of a book/article that is itself a take off on Jonathan Edwards’ famous sermon–”Sinners in the hands of an angry God.”

    The title turns Edwards’ sermon idea on its head and so becomes “God in the hands of angry sinners.”

  73. #571901
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, Laree said:

    The L Word 25 men who look like old lesbians the Blago edition.

    http://getoffmyphone.blogspot.com/2008/12/l-word.html

  74. #571904
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, Flyoverman said:

    There just comes a time when you have to tell someone or ones to take a flying leap.

  75. #571905
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, Mookie said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, Laree said:

    The L Word 25 men who look like old lesbians the Blago edition.

    http://getoffmyphone.blogspot.com/2008/12/l-word.html

    Laree, Blago does have a bit of a k.d. Lang vibe going there, doesn’t he?

  76. #571907
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, sonofdy said:

    Yes mookie, that powder. You would think that would be in the news…

    You’re just a little inconsiderate for thinking other people should have to live according to your religious beliefs.

    You’re just a little inconsiderate for thinking other people should have to live according to your non-religious beliefs.

  77. #571908
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, DannoJyd said:

    The lesson learned by this is to never give an inch to special interest groups like these despicable gay interest loons. All that does is to give them reason to make more demands of freedom loving Americans.

    I used to be respectful of gays. Not going to happen from now on though!

  78. #571912
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, ChrisFromGermany said:

    These people are only protesting small and helpless donors. As the article shows, $100,000 were donated by Apple Computers. No protests against Apple so far – simply because it would be useless. No people to ruin. Also there are no protests against the so called black churches or against any Muslim clerics, who also advocated Prop8.

    This is just bullying. Pure and simple.

  79. #571914
    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Cicero said:

    If this continues, the anti-Prop 8 idiocy will do for gays what 9-11 did for muslims.

  80. #571916
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, huggybear said:

    You’re just a little inconsiderate for thinking other people should have to live according to your non-religious beliefs.

    What??? You make no sense. This is the United States. Church, state, separate. End of story. Now please explain how gay people getting married affects you personally.

    I will believe Prop 8 is about the sanctity of marriage and not about bigotry when someone spearheads a constitutional ammendment to ban divorce.

  81. #571917
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    For some reason, none of you people seem to understand that bigotry is no longer acceptable in America.

    All that bigotry your parents taught you is wrong – You people are not the victims.

  82. #571918
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, Kevin K. said:

    happyscrapper said: (#68)

    …Why do they want to sabbotage the marriage sacrament? This is a big issue with the Christians, and the gays are making a big deal out of it because they do not respect the sanctity of Christian beliefs. …

    They seem not to respect the sanctity of Christian marriage (actually, marriage in any religion), but do understand the importance of it without understanding it. Thus, they either want what marriage represents or will destroy it–they may not care which.

  83. #571923
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:03 pm, Mookie said:

    Yes mookie, that powder. You would think that would be in the news…

    It has been, especially in the major newspapers.

    On December 15th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, ChrisFromGermany said:

    These people are only protesting small and helpless donors. As the article shows, $100,000 were donated by Apple Computers. No protests against Apple so far – simply because it would be useless. No people to ruin.

    Why would gays protest Apple? They donated against Prop. 8.

  84. #571924
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, HeatherRadish said:

    Some of the 89 employees, many of them gay, have had their hours cut, and layoffs are looming.

    To “improve the lives of gay people” they’re destroying the jobs of gay people?

    Does this make sense to anyone?

  85. #571926
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    For some reason, none of you people seem to understand that bigotry is no longer acceptable in America.

    That’s why marriage needs to be redefined in terms of livestock. That small minority out there needs their – uh – “rights” protected…

  86. #571929
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, twofoot said:

    What??? You make no sense. This is the United States. Church, state, separate. End of story. Now please explain how gay people getting married affects you personally.

    Can you point out that “seperation” thing in the Constitution?

    Also, can you explain how society does not have an interest in who is raising children?

    Then, if you would be so kind, can you explain how, considering California already has a law that protects gays and lesbians in a civil union, that this whole thing is not about forcing the religous to accept what their faith tells them is a sin?

  87. #571933
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:14 pm, b-cat said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    For some reason, none of you people seem to understand that bigotry is no longer acceptable in America.

    All that bigotry your parents taught you is wrong – You people are not the victims.

    Your religious bigotry included. I wouldn’t discuss parental guidance if I were as misguided as you seem to be.

    You are not the victim, either.

  88. #571934
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:14 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    For some reason, none of you people seem to understand that bigotry is no longer acceptable in America.

    Tell that to pretty much 95% of the liberals here and elsewhere who have no problems with biogtry when it’s directed at Christians and Mormons and conservatives.

    Also, get a better dictionary. “Bigotry” does not mean disagreeing with someone and you are not the victim of bigotry if you don’t like someone else’s views and are “offended”…

    All that bigotry your parents taught you is wrong – You people are not the victims.

    Sorry, but I – and every Christian and Mormon in this nation – have a First Amendment right to free expression of religion.

    Now, I know to liberals, that “free expression” does not apply to any public place, school, university, government building, home, blog, newspaper, radio station, or pretty much anywhere outside the respective heads and hearts of Christians because you think the First Amendment provides a “separation of church and state” (it doesn’t). When folks like Prop. 8 protesters try to usurp that right so they feel good or think they’ve achieved “equality”…yeah, we’re the victims. Our ACTUAL rights are being violated.

    My parents taught me to respect the authority of God before Caesar. And, likewise, my parents taught me there was behavior that is – and always will be – unnacceptable. I will never compromise my religious convictions in the name of political correctness.

  89. #571935
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:15 pm, Kevin K. said:

    huggybear said (#80)

    …This is the United States. Church, state, separate. End of story. …

    That is not what the Constitution says, it says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Which means there will be no official Church of the United States, nor will any church be prohibited. It does not say that the moral teachings of religions will be banned because of their source.

    I have forgotten the exact quote, but the Founding Fathers believed that the Constitution would only function for a moral (they didn’t say Christian) people.

  90. #571936
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, sonofdy said:

    What??? You make no sense. This is the United States. Church, state, separate. End of story.

    So the 1smt amendment means nothing to you?

    For some reason, none of you people seem to understand that bigotry is no longer acceptable in America.

    Let me guess, you get to decide what is “acceptable” speech?

  91. #571938
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    For some reason, none of you people seem to understand that bigotry is no longer acceptable in America.

    All that bigotry your parents taught you is wrong – You people are not the victims.

    It is not bigotry. It is discrimination.

    While it is unacceptable to be bigotted, in certain contexts it is perfectly to be acceptable to discriminate. You do have the right to discriminate based on CONDUCT.

    Smokers are routinely discriminated against. It is the conduct, not the person that is dicriminated against. I have the right to discriminate against people whose conduct I find morally objectionable. Gays and I both have the right to disagree with one another. However, they do not have the right to surpress my right of free expression.

    You need to understand that freedom of expression is still allowed in this country. Disputes are resolved or mutual understanding is reached through civil debate; not by calling another person bigotted or attempting to shout them down.

  92. #571939
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, BKennedy said:

    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    For some reason, none of you people seem to understand that bigotry is no longer acceptable in America.

    All that bigotry your parents taught you is wrong – You people are not the victims.

    I don’t imagine the Prop 8 mobsters got their penchant for bullying, extortion, and vandalism from their parents, but I could be wrong. After all, the stoned hippies of the 60’s and 70’s did manage to procreate, and I don’t think the vagabond left them when they had to raise children.

    Although I wonder why you incessantly speak of victims. Is being a victim a good thing? I was always taught that being a victim was bad. Seeking it then, would be especially stupid.

    The victims here are the people extorted by the Prop 8 mob, and unlike gay activists, they don’t relish in their victimhood. They’d rather not be martyrs for a cause.

  93. #571940
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    You make no sense. This is the United States. Church, state, separate. End of story.

    This is what the First Amendment says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    That’s it. You cannot read or imply more to it than what’s written there. And what’s written there is pretty explicit:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

    There are no exceptions to that rule. The government cannot do anything to prohibit the free exercise of religion. The ONLY thing the First Amendment does is prohibit the government from establishing a singular church and requiring all to support or condone it.

    Now please explain how gay people getting married affects you personally.

    Let’s see – when I’m called a ‘bigot’ and ‘homophobe’ for voting my beliefs, that personally affects me. When my faith and my church is attacked, and when the faith and churches of my brothers and sisters in Christ and God are attacked, that personally affects me.

    When I see that Catholic Charities in MA, or a Christian photog in NM, can be forced by the government to condone homosexuality, it affects me. When I see – in Canada – I could be hauled before a “Human Rights Commission” for crimes of ungoodthink, that affects me.

    When my children could be exposed to lessons in sexuality that I find objectionable, that personally affects me (especially if, like in Canada, removing my kids from the classroom over those objections is a HATE CRIME).

    When a structure of society – the traditional nuclear family – which exists in many cultures and nations, including those uninfluenced by the Bible and Christianity, is threatened and mocked and degraded, it affects me personally.

    When someone – like a commenter here did – threatens to take my children from me and “make” them politically correct, it affects me personally.

    Shall I continue? Or do you get the point…?

  94. #571941
    On December 15th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, sonofdy said:

    I would just like to ask our resident liberals if they think churchs have any right to express thier views.

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