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	<title>Comments on: Ohio snooper who targeted Joe the Plumber resigns</title>
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		<title>By: Joe the Plumber To Speak At Tea Party &#171; Justbkuz</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-676144</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe the Plumber To Speak At Tea Party &#171; Justbkuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think of a better person to speak about government wealth-spreading.  He knows a little about political intimidation, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vntnrse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vntnrse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM:  Sorry to have been off topic!</description>
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		<title>By: Vntnrse</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-575722</link>
		<dc:creator>Vntnrse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On December 18th, 2008 at 5:45 am, dhalls said: 
Please give our President-elect, BHO, the same love and respect accorded
George Bush.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry!  I have to do this&lt;em&gt;(not trying to start a flame war, just asking the question)&lt;/em&gt; Would that be the same amount of love and respect that GWB received from &lt;strong&gt;Republicans&lt;/strong&gt; or &lt;strong&gt;Democrats&lt;/strong&gt;?

&lt;em&gt;If I recall correctly these were not received in equal amounts&lt;/em&gt;  I&#039;m just sayin&#039;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On December 18th, 2008 at 5:45 am, dhalls said:<br />
Please give our President-elect, BHO, the same love and respect accorded<br />
George Bush.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry!  I have to do this<em>(not trying to start a flame war, just asking the question)</em> Would that be the same amount of love and respect that GWB received from <strong>Republicans</strong> or <strong>Democrats</strong>?</p>
<p><em>If I recall correctly these were not received in equal amounts</em>  I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Politicalguano</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-575705</link>
		<dc:creator>Politicalguano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the lawsuit. It will provide a discovery process under oath and get to who asked for the information and for these villains to admit that they were spying on &quot;joe&quot; in order to harm him and to silence him. Think about the next step for these criminals and enemies of freedom - deleting or adding false information to our records. These villains are effectively the US version of a secret police force used to blackmail and damage voters. There can be no greater threat to democracy than such efforts. Helen needs to be in jail for 20 years if she tells all and life if she doesn&#039;t. I think this kind of domestic spying has been going on throughout the US by democRATS - gee I wonder if the governor of ILLinois and his wife are capable of ordering spying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the lawsuit. It will provide a discovery process under oath and get to who asked for the information and for these villains to admit that they were spying on &#8220;joe&#8221; in order to harm him and to silence him. Think about the next step for these criminals and enemies of freedom &#8211; deleting or adding false information to our records. These villains are effectively the US version of a secret police force used to blackmail and damage voters. There can be no greater threat to democracy than such efforts. Helen needs to be in jail for 20 years if she tells all and life if she doesn&#8217;t. I think this kind of domestic spying has been going on throughout the US by democRATS &#8211; gee I wonder if the governor of ILLinois and his wife are capable of ordering spying?</p>
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		<title>By: kurthanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>kurthanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe still needs to sue for damages in order to teach the state a lesson. This is not over by a long shot.</description>
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		<title>By: MtsEdge</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-575253</link>
		<dc:creator>MtsEdge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is not a case of “guilty until proven innocent”. It is a case of “unqualified until proven qualified”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.  Obama presented himself as if he was eligible, and it is incumbent on HIM to prove it...not for the citizenry to prove him INELIGIBLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is not a case of “guilty until proven innocent”. It is a case of “unqualified until proven qualified”. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  Obama presented himself as if he was eligible, and it is incumbent on HIM to prove it&#8230;not for the citizenry to prove him INELIGIBLE.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Justice For Joe the Plumber &#171; The Salty Pundit</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-574680</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Justice For Joe the Plumber &#171; The Salty Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some Justice For Joe the&#160;Plumber December 18, 2008 at 11:04 pm &#124; In Uncategorized &#124; Tags: Joe the Plumber, Ohio, politics Some Justice For Joe the Plumber: Helen Jones-Kelley, who looked into Joe&#8217;s records, resigned. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some Justice For Joe the&nbsp;Plumber December 18, 2008 at 11:04 pm | In Uncategorized | Tags: Joe the Plumber, Ohio, politics Some Justice For Joe the Plumber: Helen Jones-Kelley, who looked into Joe&#8217;s records, resigned. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: F3 Coalition - [Faith. Family. Freedom.] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama, Warren, and The Intolerentsia</title>
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		<dc:creator>F3 Coalition - [Faith. Family. Freedom.] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama, Warren, and The Intolerentsia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Government official who broke the law in &#8220;Joe the Plumber&#8221; search resigns. (Hat Tip: Michelle Malkin.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: adamsweb&#8217;s blog &#187; Obama, Warren, and the Wrath of the Intolerentsia ::</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-574656</link>
		<dc:creator>adamsweb&#8217;s blog &#187; Obama, Warren, and the Wrath of the Intolerentsia ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Government official who broke the law in &#8220;Joe the Plumber&#8221; search resigns. (Hat Tip: Michelle Malkin.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Obama, Warren, and the Wrath of the Intolerentsia</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-574655</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama, Warren, and the Wrath of the Intolerentsia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] official who broke the law in &#8220;Joe the Plumber&#8221; search resigns. (Hat Tip: Michelle Malkin.)Illinois Supreme Court rejects challenge to Blagojevich&#8217;s fitness. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] official who broke the law in &#8220;Joe the Plumber&#8221; search resigns. (Hat Tip: Michelle Malkin.)Illinois Supreme Court rejects challenge to Blagojevich&#8217;s fitness. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rlwo2008</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/17/ohio-snooper-who-targeted-joe-the-plumber-resigns/comment-page-1/#comment-574532</link>
		<dc:creator>rlwo2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, do it now when it no longer matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, do it now when it no longer matters.</p>
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		<title>By: RetFireman</title>
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		<dc:creator>RetFireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think...if this thug would have donated to &quot;Yes on 8&quot;, he would have been forced to resign a very long time ago.

We can all see just where their morals and values truly lie, can&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think&#8230;if this thug would have donated to &#8220;Yes on 8&#8243;, he would have been forced to resign a very long time ago.</p>
<p>We can all see just where their morals and values truly lie, can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: ITookTheRedPill</title>
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		<dc:creator>ITookTheRedPill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fulldroolcup,

&lt;blockquote&gt;...natural-born citizens, are those &lt;a href=&quot;http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/born-in-the-country-of-parents-who-are-citizens/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;born in the country, of parents who are citizens&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But &lt;a href=&quot;http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;don&#039;t just take my word for it&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

The Supreme Court has, by their denial of the stay applications, made it clear that they are not going to intervene in the Presidential Election process at THIS POINT, but they have also made it clear (by discussing multiple cases in conference and NOT denying Certiorari in any of them) that they are leaving options open to act if the Congress fails to uphold their oath to support and defend the Constitution.

I guess &lt;strong&gt;the appropriate title for Obama now is&lt;/strong&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;strong&gt;President elect who has failed to qualify&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;20th Amendment&lt;/a&gt;, Section 3&lt;/strong&gt;

... if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is not a case of &quot;guilty until proven innocent&quot;.  It is a case of &quot;unqualified until proven qualified&quot;.  

The 12th amendment makes it clear that both the the Vice-President must qualify, as well:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately for Obama, he has already proven that he is UNqualified because he openly admits that both his father and he were British subjects at the time of his birth.

Since the Congress has already made it clear that they believe John McCain is a natural born citizen, the correct thing for them to do is to certify John McCain for President and Joe Biden for Vice-President (assuming that Biden can prove that he qualifies as a natural born citizen).

The Supreme Court could still rule that McCain does not qualify as a natural born citizen.  If that happens, we would have the first time in our nation&#039;s history when all of the candidates for President who received Electoral College votes are constitutionally ineligible to hold the office.  There would be no eligible Presidential candidates on the &quot;list of those voted for as President&quot;, so it would be impossible for &quot;the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President&quot; from this list.

The 20th Amendment gives Congress the freedom to 
&lt;blockquote&gt;by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But the 20th amendment does not make it clear how to get a qualified President when the list is empty.  

Perhaps the states would be told to recall their Electors and vote again for President, this time only voting for qualified candidates.

By the way, most people think there are only three qualifications for President:
1) natural born citizen
2) 35 years old or older
3) minimum 14 years residence in USA.

There is something else that can disqualify a candidate...

Violation of Section 3 of the 14th amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fulldroolcup,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;natural-born citizens, are those <a href="http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/born-in-the-country-of-parents-who-are-citizens/" rel="nofollow"><strong>born in the country, of parents who are citizens</strong></a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>But <a href="http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx" rel="nofollow"><strong>don&#8217;t just take my word for it</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court has, by their denial of the stay applications, made it clear that they are not going to intervene in the Presidential Election process at THIS POINT, but they have also made it clear (by discussing multiple cases in conference and NOT denying Certiorari in any of them) that they are leaving options open to act if the Congress fails to uphold their oath to support and defend the Constitution.</p>
<p>I guess <strong>the appropriate title for Obama now is</strong>: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<strong>President elect who has failed to qualify</strong>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
<strong><a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am20" rel="nofollow">20th Amendment</a>, Section 3</strong></p>
<p>&#8230; if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not a case of &#8220;guilty until proven innocent&#8221;.  It is a case of &#8220;unqualified until proven qualified&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The 12th amendment makes it clear that both the the Vice-President must qualify, as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately for Obama, he has already proven that he is UNqualified because he openly admits that both his father and he were British subjects at the time of his birth.</p>
<p>Since the Congress has already made it clear that they believe John McCain is a natural born citizen, the correct thing for them to do is to certify John McCain for President and Joe Biden for Vice-President (assuming that Biden can prove that he qualifies as a natural born citizen).</p>
<p>The Supreme Court could still rule that McCain does not qualify as a natural born citizen.  If that happens, we would have the first time in our nation&#8217;s history when all of the candidates for President who received Electoral College votes are constitutionally ineligible to hold the office.  There would be no eligible Presidential candidates on the &#8220;list of those voted for as President&#8221;, so it would be impossible for &#8220;the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President&#8221; from this list.</p>
<p>The 20th Amendment gives Congress the freedom to </p>
<blockquote><p>by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.</p></blockquote>
<p>But the 20th amendment does not make it clear how to get a qualified President when the list is empty.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the states would be told to recall their Electors and vote again for President, this time only voting for qualified candidates.</p>
<p>By the way, most people think there are only three qualifications for President:<br />
1) natural born citizen<br />
2) 35 years old or older<br />
3) minimum 14 years residence in USA.</p>
<p>There is something else that can disqualify a candidate&#8230;</p>
<p>Violation of Section 3 of the 14th amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel-Chai Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tel-Chai Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ohio agency head who snooped on Joe the Plumber re...&lt;/strong&gt;

Finally, that disgraceful woman has left her post. She was first just given a mere suspension, but now, it looks like she&#039;s been forced to walk (Hat tip: Hot Air):...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ohio agency head who snooped on Joe the Plumber re&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Finally, that disgraceful woman has left her post. She was first just given a mere suspension, but now, it looks like she&#8217;s been forced to walk (Hat tip: Hot Air):&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ardmoor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardmoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why no prosecution?  Resignation is a quiet exit out the back door.</description>
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