Sickblogging

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 18, 2008 02:15 PM

Sorry for the light blogging. I’m in bed after getting hit with the same awful bug that sent my son to the ER on Monday and behind on filing my syndicated column for tomorrow. Just one of those days! Got a couple of posts for you in a bit. Talk amongst yourselves.

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  1. #574487
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:19 pm, DagneyT said:

    I know almost nothing about guns.

    And yet you claim to be from Texas?

    Chapoutier, I’m in Texas. I wasn’t born here, but I got here as fast as I was able! BTW, I carry! I like the concealed thing, as a 5′ blonde female, they still don’t know if I carry or not, but it makes them wonder! Hubby got me a special purse. It has a built-in holster!

  2. #574489
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:23 pm, love2rumba said:

    Rorschach the rest of your post though I admit is very spot-on from my personal experience. Kudos!

  3. #574490
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:25 pm, Divapalooza said:

    (I had to reset my password to get it to work. Thanks for allowing me to participate in the discussions.)

    So sorry you and your son have been sick. I hope this passes soon and that you are feeling 100% fast.

  4. #574492
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:27 pm, FamilyMan said:

    With our Michelle being sick, does that mean we won’t be aborted if we use bad language on her blog?

  5. #574494
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:38 pm, pclevenger said:

    The rationale for a revolver over a semi-automatic was that it can be fired one handed should one hand or arm become incapacitated. Admittedly things have gone sour by that point.

  6. #574496
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm, rowsdower said:

    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:27 pm, FamilyMan said:

    With our Michelle being sick, does that mean we won’t be aborted if we use bad language on her blog?

    Hey, yeah.We can get away with all kinds of cool stuff.Unless we get a mean substitute.

  7. #574499
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:45 pm, FamilyMan said:

    rowsdower said; We can get away with all kinds of cool stuff.

    Use it only on liberals.

  8. #574501
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:52 pm, Kevin K. said:

    TexasT, you’ve received good advice on your planned trip to the gun show. Rohrshach gave you some good links in #93. I have also admired (which is a link from the link he gave you) the Cornered Cat website.

    My suggestion is to use this trip for research, and then find friends or ranges who will let you try different options. Guns are very personal–what is good for one may not work for another, although none of the advice here is bad.

  9. #574503
    On December 18th, 2008 at 6:58 pm, Mookie said:

    Lots of snow heading this way. Our French Toast Alert level is high.

  10. #574504
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:02 pm, madmonkphotog said:

    My cat has been to the vet for the second time this week. Total of services this week? Over $1,100. I’m unemployed with no prospects. I’m up to my eyeballs in debt and have $.59 in my account.

    Darn pet healthcare system. We’re finding the money somehow, but there should be universal healthcare for pets.

    (Seriouly, my cat is doing much better and his hopefully on his way to better days.)

  11. #574505
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:06 pm, chapoutier said:

    My cat has been to the vet for the second time this week. Total of services this week? Over $1,100. I’m unemployed with no prospects. I’m up to my eyeballs in debt and have $.59 in my account.

    I feel ya. We had one of our kittens two months ago suffer total renal failure (but has bounced totally back, miraculously enough). That has been about 2K total.

    And then 4 weeks ago, we had an older cat diagnosed with diabetes. Another 1.2K and growing every month with the insulin, test strips, etc…

    We have made due by robbing liquor stores, but I wouldn’t suggest that for everyone.

  12. #574507
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:12 pm, Hardcore Conservative said:

    Get Well soon Mrs. Malkin

  13. #574508
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Hey chap and Mad;
    FamilyWomen bought pet health insurance six months ago at $16 a month. It’s already saved us $500 for our bichon frezies vet bills.

  14. #574510
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:18 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hey chap and Mad;
    FamilyWomen bought pet health insurance six months ago at $16 a month. It’s already saved us $500 for our bichon frezies vet bills.

    I know…I used to think this was dumb. And now we can’t get them insured because of their conditions.

    I would definitely recommend it to pet owners out there.

  15. #574511
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:21 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Hey Chap;
    We agree on something!!!!!!!
    It must be the holiday spirit.

  16. #574512
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:22 pm, Mookie said:

    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:02 pm, madmonkphotog said:

    My cat has been to the vet for the second time this week. Total of services this week? Over $1,100. I’m unemployed with no prospects. I’m up to my eyeballs in debt and have $.59 in my account.

    Darn pet healthcare system. We’re finding the money somehow, but there should be universal healthcare for pets.

    (Seriouly, my cat is doing much better and his hopefully on his way to better days.)

    Gotta take care of teh kittehs.

  17. #574513
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:26 pm, twofoot said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081218/ap_on_bi_ge/madoff_scandal_taxes

    It always strikes me as infuriating and hillarious at the same time that Ponzi schemes are so dangerous they are illegal. Except when the federal government does it (social security).

  18. #574515
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:31 pm, RetFireman said:

    I feel for you Michelle. I came down with the worst bout of flu in 9 years on Sunday night and it was not until today that I finally began to feel somewhat normal again.

    The hot and cold flashes with sweating was the most fun.

    Just get as much sleep as you possibly can, and hopefully your hubby is taking care of things and letting you rest.

  19. #574521
    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:48 pm, madmonkphotog said:

    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:06 pm, chapoutier said:

    We have made due by robbing liquor stores…

    We live in Texas, so we’ve knocking over taco vendors.

    On December 18th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, FamilyMan said:
    Hey chap and Mad;
    FamilyWomen bought pet health insurance six months ago at $16 a month. It’s already saved us $500 for our bichon frezies vet bills.

    We looked into pet health insurance, but because our cats have pre-existing conditions, diabetes, or because of their ages, we can’t get coverage.

    But we have been discussing adding all five to our taxes.

    Hey, everyone else is getting bailouts. We want our taste.

  20. #574524
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:17 pm, kwyoung said:

    Just tuned into the weather channel seeing how there’s another storm moving toward the northeast. I am surprised to find they are actually reporting on what the weather is doing, not what the weather did in the past. Hopefully (with new owners? NBC?) they will stick to reporting the weather, not dying polar bears, melting ice caps and “Storm Stories”.

  21. #574525
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:18 pm, love2rumba said:

    The rationale for a revolver over a semi-automatic was that it can be fired one handed should one hand or arm become incapacitated. Admittedly things have gone sour by that point.

    That is one rationale I’ve never heard of before…However there are ways around that one (as I have discovered in training).

    The bottom line I’d like to communicate is that the average new shooter thinks they are ready to protect themselves after firing a few shots, and feels they don’t need anymore defensive/tactical gun training… this to me is a BIG mistake.

    I can’t remember how many times I’ve taken a newbie to the range, teach them how to shoot this or that, advise them to get professional shooting instruction from here on out (the kind that keeps records of your actual training knowledge in case you are hauled into court) only to get a “thanks, but that really isn’t necessary for me” look on their face…and all I can do is shake my head.

  22. #574529
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:37 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Sometimes Family Time isn’t all that good.

    Revolver V Auto-loader

    A quality piece-not expensive-should do fine if maintained well.Yes the revolver is less prone to a jam, but it could happen-a back up piece is faster than a reload. Practice is ALWAYS the number 1 issue-live fire, dry fire, one hand, two hand, on the floor.
    Visit
    http://www.spw-duf.info/ for some pointers.
    and then The Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry by Massod Ayoob

    Shotguns: I have found the pumps more reliable–A Benelli Semi-automatic civilian can be $1200-$2500. A Mossberg 930 semi-automatic goes for about $500. Their 500 8 shot pump sells for less than $400.
    The Marines have more money than most of us. But for any shot gun spend the $10, get the rubber butt pad and be nice to your shoulder.

  23. #574530
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:39 pm, bjc said:

    *Get well soon Michelle!
    *Cat, the other white meat!
    *There are a variety of bugs going around these days; They are painful, debilitating, and potentially fatal; There is the bank bailout bug, the auto bailout bug, the pay to play bug, the stimulus package bug; You get the picture.
    *Coming soon to a showroom near you, from Congressional Motors, the Dodge Bureaucrat and the Pelosi Prowler!

  24. #574531
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:41 pm, Jean said:

    I hope you and your son get better Michelle.

    Best wishes
    Jean

  25. #574535
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:49 pm, shooter said:

    My cat and dog vet bills are killing me too.
    Lots of scarring. (kidding)

  26. #574536
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:51 pm, shooter said:

    White Tiger kittens for a slow not feeling well day.

  27. #574537
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:51 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Can you get life insurance on cats? This cat drags one more ornament off the tree I think Mrs. Neanderthal will lose it-she is calling him Beelzebub now! That was for the angel he stole.

    Get well soon Michelle. Sometimes sharing with family is NOT all it is cracked up to be.

  28. #574538
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:51 pm, WaterBoyz said:
  29. #574539
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:54 pm, travlinman said:

    Get well soon Michelle. Please. Our favorite libs (chappy and the mookster) are playing nice in your absence!

  30. #574540
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:55 pm, zorro said:

    I hope you feeling better now, here’s another version of that Asian Penicillin recipe I forwarded to you last year! Thai Chicken and Rice soup… yum yum.

  31. #574543
    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:59 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Hi Michelle, I’ve been sick going on two weeks (some say decades). It has been absolutely awful. Your empathy has brought me some cheer. (Misery loves company) I hope I get better soon, so that you will too. Warm toddys all around.

  32. #574546
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:02 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Frigid Storm Closes California Freeways, Drops Snow in Malibu

    Damn Right Wing Global Warming/Climate Change deniers did this! I hope algore hops on his private jet, flys to Malibu and gets to the bottom of this- Just as soon as they clear the snow off the runway.

    It is cold in Phoenix too-I had to get out my cold weather Bermuda shorts to play golf today. :evil:

  33. #574548
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:05 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On December 18th, 2008 at 8:51 pm, WaterBoyz said:
    Coleman’s lead is down to 2.

    The Republican Party utterly spineless. Ann Coulter nailed it. Why would anyonecontribute money to them if Coleman’s seat is stolen by Franken.

    The found votes are just fancifal. It’s criminal.

  34. #574553
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:13 pm, love2rumba said:

    We looked into pet health insurance, but because our cats have pre-existing conditions, diabetes, or because of their ages, we can’t get coverage

    I’ve never heard anything like this…insuring pets as if they were people. Frankly if a pet gets sick you take ‘em to the vet..if its chronic like diabetes etc. then it’s time to take fido or sylvester and put them out of their misery in the cheapest way possible.

  35. #574561
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm, Gull said:

    Here you go —- a cute holiday video for kiddies and pets and adults (especially those who don’t feel well):

    http://www.dogwork.com/dogsnow/

    Merry Christmas and get well soon!!!

  36. #574562
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:36 pm, chapoutier said:

    I’ve never heard anything like this…insuring pets as if they were people. Frankly if a pet gets sick you take ‘em to the vet..if its chronic like diabetes etc. then it’s time to take fido or sylvester and put them out of their misery in the cheapest way possible.

    That is dumb. They are not in misery. They just need treatment, and when you adopt them you agree totake the good and the bad. Now obviously you shouldn’t care for a pet at the expense of a human, but that is not the case with the vast majority of pet owners.

  37. #574563
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:41 pm, tre said:

    blockquote>On December 18th, 2008 at 7:02 pm, madmonkphotog said: I’m unemployed with no prospects. I’m up to my eyeballs in debt and have $.59 in my account.

    I Pray for you everyday that God will send you a job. I was once unemployed for almost a year.

  38. #574564
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:43 pm, chapoutier said:

    The Republican Party utterly spineless. Ann Coulter nailed it. Why would anyonecontribute money to them if Coleman’s seat is stolen by Franken.

    The found votes are just fancifal. It’s criminal.

    What “found” votes, exactly? I don’t think even the Coleman campaign itself is saying that there has been any fraud as yet.

    And just an FYI, it is Coleman who petitioned the Minnesota Supreme Court to discount ballots that were improperly rejected. Those are people who did everything right and had their vote originally rejected because some official mistakenly threw it out. Thank goodness the court saw fit to ensure that these people’s votes WILL be counted.

    Sorry if you don’t like the increasingly inevitable result but that does not mean the seat was “stolen.”

    And in any case, Coleman is as dirty as Blagejovich or Stevens.

  39. #574565
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:43 pm, Mookie said:

    I’ve never heard anything like this…insuring pets as if they were people. Frankly if a pet gets sick you take ‘em to the vet..if its chronic like diabetes etc. then it’s time to take fido or sylvester and put them out of their misery in the cheapest way possible.

    If a pet gets a chronic but treatable disease, it should be put to sleep? So much for pro-life.

  40. #574566
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:44 pm, love2rumba said:

    That is dumb. They are not in misery. They just need treatment, and when you adopt them you agree totake the good and the bad. Now obviously you shouldn’t care for a pet at the expense of a human, but that is not the case with the vast majority of pet owners.

    I never heard of a vet in my youth even give a test for diabetes to a pet Chappy.

    So no my statement is not dumb.. I think its one more insane way to have animals equal people-in other words to push forth animal rights…next we will have living wills for FIDO and SYLVESTER

  41. #574567
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    I never heard of a vet in my youth even give a test for diabetes to a pet Chappy.

    Then you need a vet that was trained in the last half century.

    So no my statement is not dumb.. I think its one more insane way to have animals equal people-in other words to push forth animal rights…next we will have living wills for FIDO and SYLVESTER

    If you can’t properly care for a pet, don’t get one. To somehow equate caring for a creature that puts its entire life in your hands, and a creature which you have agreed to care for, with some stupid notion of “living wills” or some other nonsense is inane.

  42. #574568
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:55 pm, Gull said:

    Having recently put my four-legged companion of 16 yrs to rest — I assure you, if you have never loved an animal or considered one as a member of the family — you can’t understand the affection one shares …. I wish I had had pet insurance, but have no regrets about the $$$ spent on her care. She saved my life 3 times —- I was as indebted to her as she was devoted to me. She was a therapy dog who served and entertained hundreds of disabled and critically ill youth/elders … The day she was euthanized, 32 of her friends were here with her (and my family). Now look what you’ve done —- got me crying again. Scrooge.

  43. #574569
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    OK, I’ve been gone all day and you guys are mixing shotguns and sick pets…

    BTW – I’d be interested if you can actually find a Mossberg 500 or a Zombie thrashing M4 anywhere. Obama has done an amazing job selling guns in this country, especially zombiearms.

    I myself am planning on going to a sick-pet show over the weekend. No license necessary, no 5 day waiting period, and you’ll definitely want to carry them concealed.

  44. #574571
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:56 pm, chapoutier said:

    OK, I’ve been gone all day and you guys are mixing shotguns and sick pets…

    Don’t forget zombies.

  45. #574573
    On December 18th, 2008 at 9:58 pm, chapoutier said:

    And I have to say that I was really expecting and hoping that some exasperated person would call me out and ask me what weapon I, as a liberal, would use for zombie defense.

    Cause I had a really funny answer.

  46. #574575
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Cause I had a really funny answer.

    We trust you.

  47. #574576
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I’m hitting the road, may check in later..

  48. #574577
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:02 pm, twofoot said:

    Lost track of the number of animals I have put down. Part of living in a rural area I suppose. As much as I have loved some of my pets, they are pets, not people.

    Out of curiosity, who gets to decide what is “proper care” for an animal? The vet? Yea, good choice there. I am sure the vet would be completely objective. An emotional kid that doesn’t understand Fido just got kicked by a cow and broke his spine? A lawyer for a scummy animal “rights” group?

    Pets aren’t people. They’re property.

  49. #574578
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:02 pm, chapoutier said:

    We trust you.

    Shouldn’t you be at work or having breakfast or something right now?

  50. #574579
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:04 pm, love2rumba said:

    If you can’t properly care for a pet, don’t get one. To somehow equate caring for a creature that puts its entire life in your hands, and a creature which you have agreed to care for, with some stupid notion of “living wills” or some other nonsense is inane.

    At what point do you stop caring for the pet Chappy? When Fido becomes of equal importance to one’s child? Will I have to see on TV the spectacle someday of some poor (liberal) having to choose between saving their beloved pet or the child they made? If that weren’t a serious possibility, I’d be laughing at such a spectacle.

    That is the point.

    If a pet gets a chronic but treatable disease, it should be put to sleep? So much for pro-life.

    Pro-life is very optional when it comes to animals Mookie…think hunting for example, and the fact that other cultures who would have no problem eating your pet or mine.

  51. #574580
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:06 pm, chapoutier said:

    Out of curiosity, who gets to decide what is “proper care” for an animal? The vet? Yea, good choice there. I am sure the vet would be completely objective. An emotional kid that doesn’t understand Fido just got kicked by a cow and broke his spine? A lawyer for a scummy animal “rights” group?

    This makes zero sense. First off, it is usually owners that selfishly prolong a pet’s life, not a vet. And what to even make of that silly “lawyer for animal rights” comment.

    You know, you can recognize that a pet’s life is not the same as a human’s without then just throwing them into the same category of chattel as a freaking dishrag. It is not an either/or thing.

    Jesus, I don’t get some of you sometimes.

    And by the way, I grew up “rural” too. On a dairy farm, so I am well versed in the sometimes harsh realities of the lives of animals.

  52. #574581
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:08 pm, chapoutier said:

    At what point do you stop caring for the pet Chappy? When Fido becomes of equal importance to one’s child? Will I have to see on TV the spectacle someday of some poor (liberal) having to choose between saving their beloved pet or the child they made? If that weren’t a serious possibility, I’d be laughing at such a spectacle.

    That is the point.

    No. That is a strawman.

  53. #574582
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:09 pm, twofoot said:

    …and the fact that other cultures who would have no problem eating your pet or mine.

    Cat ain’t bad, same goes for dog. It’s all in the seasoning.

    What? Meat’s meat. You spend a year and a half in the Far East and you would be amazed at some of the things you’ll eat in that time.

  54. #574583
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:10 pm, Mookie said:

    Pro-life is very optional when it comes to animals Mookie…think hunting for example, and the fact that other cultures who would have no problem eating your pet or mine.

    Hunting is completely different than putting down a pet because it has treatable health problems. My pets are part of my family. In fact, I like them more than most of my relatives. :lol:

  55. #574584
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:10 pm, love2rumba said:

    No. That is a strawman.

    Its my response to your comment and a valid one-answer it.

  56. #574585
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:12 pm, chapoutier said:

    Its my response to your comment and a valid one-answer it.

    No it isn’t valid because no one here is saying the life of an animal is equal to that of a human, nor does my position rely on such a stance. So it is a completely absurd and meaningless argument to make that you made simply for the ability to refute it.

    That is a strawman.

  57. #574586
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:13 pm, twofoot said:

    This makes zero sense. First off, it is usually owners that selfishly prolong a pet’s life, not a vet.

    You’re the one putting out nonsense about taking “proper care” of a pet or not getting one. Guess what, it’s not your decision to make. Given a choice between thousands of dollars in vet bills or a .29 cent bullet… Well, cats and dogs aren’t exactly scarce.

  58. #574587
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:15 pm, chapoutier said:

    You’re the one putting out nonsense about taking “proper care” of a pet or not getting one. Guess what, it’s not your decision to make. Given a choice between thousands of dollars in vet bills or a .29 cent bullet… Well, cats and dogs aren’t exactly scarce.

    Nor are jackasses.

  59. #574589
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm, FamilyMan said:

    chapoutier said:
    what weapon I, as a liberal, would use for zombie defense.
    Cause I had a really funny answer.

    OK Chappy I’ll ask.
    What weapon would you use?

  60. #574590
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm, love2rumba said:

    Hunting is completely different than putting down a pet because it has treatable health problems. My pets are part of my family. In fact, I like them more than most of my relatives

    Actually I agree with your above statement…as I understand it diabetes in animals occurs only when it is old (unless you seriously overfeed it-in that case since the owner or previous owner abused the animal in that way, you should try to save it).

    But if it is old and subsequently diabetic I have no problem with euthanization for the pet.

  61. #574591
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:20 pm, love2rumba said:

    No it isn’t valid because no one here is saying the life of an animal is equal to that of a human, nor does my position rely on such a stance. So it is a completely absurd and meaningless argument to make that you made simply for the ability to refute it.

    Thank you for your complex response-no sarcasm

  62. #574592
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:21 pm, chapoutier said:

    And lets be clear, here, shall we?

    The side that was attacked first here was the side that simply wanted to do for their pets what they had the means to do.

    I never said that one had to spend thousands of dollars. I know that is not a realistic option for all owners, and that should not preclude one from seeking the love of an animal.

    But I also know that a pet is not “property”, nor is it equal to a human life. It is however a life and a responsibility that one voluntarily assumes and which should not just be tossed aside the second it becomes a little more inconvenient than one originally hoped.

  63. #574594
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:21 pm, love2rumba said:

    That is Chappoutier w/r/t post #158..thank you for your answer.

  64. #574596
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    Actually I agree with your above statement…as I understand it diabetes in animals occurs only when it is old (unless you seriously overfeed it-in that case since the owner or previous owner abused the animal in that way, you should try to save it).

    Unfortunately not always true, as was the case with ours. Only six years old and always around 9-11 pounds.

  65. #574598
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:23 pm, love2rumba said:

    …I also know that a pet is not “property”, …

    If a pet is not property but not equal to a human life than what is it?

  66. #574599
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:26 pm, Prime Director said:

    MM, I have it on good authority from an old squaw (Mom) that violet leaf tea will help with your flu symptoms.

    After you feel well enough to wake up early, eat a bowl of Froot Loops and watch cartoons with your kids, you should be OK :D

  67. #574600
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:27 pm, chapoutier said:

    OK Chappy I’ll ask.
    What weapon would you use?

    See…I was going to say simply:

    “Empathy.”

    which I would have considered a funny, self deprecating bit of satire on the perception of liberals in general, but in particular the threads regarding Obama’s statement that the 9/11 terrorists lacked empathy, and this board’s interpretation of that answer.

    It would have been doubly witty because of the long tradition started by George Romero of using zombies as a metaphor for the real threats of modern society, i.e., communism, consumerism, etc..

    But now I am just bummmed out.

  68. #574601
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm, love2rumba said:

    Unfortunately not always true, as was the case with ours. Only six years old and always around 9-11 pounds.

    OK I note the exception.

  69. #574602
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:29 pm, chapoutier said:

    If a pet is not property but not equal to a human life than what is it?

    You really think there is no room for a middle position?

    I just don’t even know what to say to that.

  70. #574603
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:31 pm, love2rumba said:

    It would have been doubly witty because of the long tradition started by George Romero of using zombies as a metaphor for the real threats of modern society, i.e., communism, consumerism, etc..

    But now I am just bummmed out.

    Don’t be bummed out Chappy…I thought the zombie reference was both funny and an observation that people can get too worked up over a perceived threat…it happens to both sides of the political isle.

  71. #574604
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:31 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Chap said: I grew up “rural” too. On a dairy farm, so I am well versed in the sometimes harsh realities of the lives of animals.

    Milking times of 5AM and 7PM seven days a week. I was always happy when those cows became steak dinner.

  72. #574607
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:34 pm, love2rumba said:

    You really think there is no room for a middle position?

    I just don’t even know what to say to that.

    Chappy… Ok you say it is a middle position between those two extremes..can you clarify and articulate “why”?

  73. #574608
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:35 pm, twofoot said:

    I was always happy when those cows became steak dinner.

    There’s the problem. Nobody thinks twice about slaughtering a cow to make a steak. But Rover? Oh the humanity!

    It’s a matter of pets having a better PR department.

  74. #574609
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:35 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On December 18th, 2008 at 4:47 pm, lgm said:

    Be well, MM.

    …a kind word. That’s good to see. Good job, lgm.

  75. #574611
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:36 pm, chapoutier said:

    Milking times of 5AM and 7PM seven days a week. I was always happy when those cows became steak dinner.

    I was happy when my dad gave it up and we moved.

    Though there is no place quite as unique and fun as a hay barn, with bales as life size lego blocks, to grow up around.

  76. #574612
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:37 pm, FamilyMan said:

    twofoot said:
    Nobody thinks twice about slaughtering a cow to make a steak. But Rover? Oh the humanity!

    I never had to milk a dog.

  77. #574613
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:38 pm, chapoutier said:

    Chappy… Ok you say it is a middle position between those two extremes..can you clarify and articulate “why”?

    Why? Because when you take in a pet you agree to make it more than a piece of property. It puts its life in your hands and presumably provides you with love and companionship. In exchange, you agree to care for it and not treat it as the equivalent of a dixie cup.

  78. #574615
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:41 pm, realitycheck said:

    Get well soon Michelle!

  79. #574616
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:43 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Hey Chap. How can you be an old farm boy and call yourself a liberal?

  80. #574617
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:43 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hey Chap. How can you be an old farm boy and call yourself a liberal?

    I have a complex psyche.

  81. #574618
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:44 pm, chapoutier said:

    I have a complex psyche.

    Or psychosis. Whatever.

  82. #574620
    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:47 pm, chapoutier said:

    Or maybe it was that time my sister and I were playing in the hay barn and she was going down the ladder. Being an annoying little brother, I started throwing chafe at her (basically little bits of hay residue, which itches like heck when it gets in your clothes) and slipped off the edge of the hay chute and dropped about 8 feet onto the hard, concrete barn floor below, knocking myself unconscious and giving me a pretty good concussion.

  83. #574621
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:00 pm, love2rumba said:

    Or maybe it was that time my sister and I were playing in the hay barn and she was going down the ladder. Being an annoying little brother, I started throwing chafe at her (basically little bits of hay residue, which itches like heck when it gets in your clothes) and slipped off the edge of the hay chute and dropped about 8 feet onto the hard, concrete barn floor below, knocking myself unconscious and giving me a pretty good concussion.

    If you wanted a concussion that would do it, Chap…by the way how many fingers am I holding in front you?

  84. #574622
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:01 pm, Kevin K. said:

    Chapoutier said (#164)

    I was going to say simply:

    “Empathy.”

    which I would have considered a funny, self deprecating bit of satire on the perception of liberals in general, but in particular the threads regarding Obama’s statement that the 9/11 terrorists lacked empathy, and this board’s interpretation of that answer.

    It would have been doubly witty because of the long tradition started by George Romero of using zombies as a metaphor for the real threats of modern society, i.e., communism, consumerism, etc..

    I liked “zombies”, both from the generic threat side of it, but I kept having images of bad guy after bad guy after bad guy coming at me for me to protect myself from. This is why either re-loading ability and aiming are so important. I’m afraid in my reading laziness I missed completely the George Romero angle as I never read him. (But I would have been merely confused by an un-explained answer of “empathy”.)

  85. #574623
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:02 pm, FamilyMan said:

    I shouldn’t bring this up Chap, but growing up in the sticks, gave me the foundation to understand Natural Law.

  86. #574625
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:06 pm, chapoutier said:

    I shouldn’t bring this up Chap, but growing up in the sticks, gave me the foundation to understand Natural Law.

    LOL

  87. #574626
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:07 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On December 18th, 2008 at 10:44 pm, chapoutier said:

    Or psychosis.

    HEY!!! That was my line! :)

  88. #574629
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:09 pm, love2rumba said:

    Or maybe it was that time my sister and I were playing in the hay barn and she was going down the ladder. Being an annoying little brother, I started throwing chafe at her (basically little bits of hay residue, which itches like heck when it gets in your clothes) and slipped off the edge of the hay chute and dropped about 8 feet onto the hard, concrete barn floor below, knocking myself unconscious and giving me a pretty good concussion.

    If you wanted a concussion that would do it, Chap…by the way how many fingers am I holding in front you? :-) (I’m kidding by the way-I should have put that in earlier)

  89. #574630
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:10 pm, Kevin K. said:

    I liked “zombies”, both from because of the generic threat side of it, but I kept having and the images of bad guy after bad guy after bad guy coming at me for me that I would have to protect myself from. This is why either re-loading ability and aiming are so important. I’m afraid in my reading laziness I missed completely the George Romero angle as I never read him. (But I would have been merely confused by an un-explained answer of “empathy”.)

    Sorry, I must have been thinking of something else when I reviewed my slightly earlier posting.

  90. #574631
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:14 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Chap. Most true knowledge doesn’t come from books. Especially law and philosophy books. Words and rational thought have their limitations.

  91. #574632
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:16 pm, chapoutier said:

    Words and rational thought have their limitations.

    But is what also makes us unique and something above nature.

  92. #574633
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:17 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Ok, I’m back and now what – pet vitriol? Wait’ll your mother Michelle hears about this!!

    Personally, I think you can measure someone’s character by the compassion they show for their animals.

    Can we get back to the zombies? I’ve tried showing them empathy, but then they hang around the house and make noises while you’re trying to watch TV. I would have missed both your points, but think empathy stands on it’s own as a funny answer.

  93. #574634
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:21 pm, chapoutier said:

    Can we get back to the zombies? I’ve tried showing them empathy, but then they hang around the house and make noises while you’re trying to watch TV.

    After we moved off the dairy farm, we lived immediately adjacent to a cemetery, in what used to be the caretaker’s house. Our driveway led right to the morgue where bodies were stored in the winter.

    As I considered myself the first line of defense in the eventuality of a zombie attack, I have given the issue lots of thought.

  94. #574635
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    I would have missed both your points, but think empathy stands on it’s own as a funny answer

    I believe Van Gogh was misunderstood in his time as well.

  95. #574636
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:24 pm, love2rumba said:

    After we moved off the dairy farm, we lived immediately adjacent to a cemetery, in what used to be the caretaker’s house. Our driveway led right to the morgue where bodies were stored in the winter.

    As I considered myself the first line of defense in the eventuality of a zombie attack, I have given the issue lots of thought.

    That is so d@#n funny..Chap you should have been a comedy writer

  96. #574637
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I believe Van Gogh was misunderstood in his time as well.

    The good news is – he couldn’t hear you when you talked stink about him.

  97. #574638
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    The good news is – he couldn’t hear you when you talked stink about him.

    And I just skip over txvet’s and emjem’s comments, so we’re square there too.

  98. #574639
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:27 pm, love2rumba said:

    I believe Van Gogh was misunderstood in his time as well.

    Ok now …please nobody cut off their own ear and give it to a prostitute, ok?

    (My reference is to Van Gogh’s weird and injurious act to himself)

  99. #574640
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:28 pm, FamilyMan said:

    But is what also makes us unique and something above nature.

    Words distorts nature. As you know in the practice of law, words can have many meanings. Legalese is attempt to describe accurately the situation at hand, but can only approach truth, but can never find it.
    Going beyond reason is where I’ve found truth.
    OK Chap lay it on me.

  100. #574641
    On December 18th, 2008 at 11:28 pm, Kevin K. said:

    chapoutier said: (#190)

    [W]e lived immediately adjacent to a cemetery, in what used to be the caretaker’s house. Our driveway led right to the morgue where bodies were stored in the winter.

    I don’t think I would have liked that. I often find civilian cemeteries a bit disquieting towards dark. I never think that about military ones though. (Yet I’m planning on being buried in the family plot, in a civilian cemetery that has townhouses on one side and a golf course on the other.) Thinking about zombies therefor make sense for you.

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