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		<title>By: Detroit Masters the Bailout Con Job &#171; Teh Resistance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Detroit Masters the Bailout Con Job &#171; Teh Resistance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Detroit Masters the Bailout Con&#160;Job  Jump to Comments First it was the automakers and the UAW, holding a gun against the head of the economy and saying &#8220;Give us $25 Billion dollars or we blow the bitch&#8217;s head-off.&#8221; (Any talk of UAW concessions was abandoned as soon as the checks were signed.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Detroit Masters the Bailout Con&nbsp;Job  Jump to Comments First it was the automakers and the UAW, holding a gun against the head of the economy and saying &#8220;Give us $25 Billion dollars or we blow the bitch&#8217;s head-off.&#8221; (Any talk of UAW concessions was abandoned as soon as the checks were signed.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ushering In The &#8220;Age of Inanity&#8221; &#124; hillbillypolitics.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ushering In The &#8220;Age of Inanity&#8221; &#124; hillbillypolitics.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to do, such as the $700 billion bailout, followed by another bailout for the auto industry so the UAW could keep its golf course, among other things. Now, the new Congress, even more inane than the last one, is set to approve [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to do, such as the $700 billion bailout, followed by another bailout for the auto industry so the UAW could keep its golf course, among other things. Now, the new Congress, even more inane than the last one, is set to approve [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bailout Notes &#171; 36 Chambers - The Legendary Journeys: Execution to the max!</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/24/uaw-to-taxpayers-you/comment-page-2/#comment-578547</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailout Notes &#171; 36 Chambers - The Legendary Journeys: Execution to the max!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The UAW has already thrown out their small concession that they agreed to in order to get a bailout.  Let them fail.  We don&#8217;t need to subsidize the UAW or incompetent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The UAW has already thrown out their small concession that they agreed to in order to get a bailout.  Let them fail.  We don&#8217;t need to subsidize the UAW or incompetent [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spotted: Little Piggy Gettelfinger 12-22-08 &#171; America, You Asked For It!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spotted: Little Piggy Gettelfinger 12-22-08 &#171; America, You Asked For It!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UAW to taxpayers: $%^@ you!&#8211;Michelle Malkin [...]</description>
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		<title>By: America, You Asked For It!</title>
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		<dc:creator>America, You Asked For It!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from Michelle Malkin [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cabrerski</title>
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		<dc:creator>cabrerski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Hook,

You are forgiven because you are correct.  Too bad we can drill basic economic principles into the heads of those in D.C.  Those who believe in their union, usually do so with religious fervor and therefore are unlikely to change.  It is too bad the rank and file do not do what is necessary to marginalize these zealots.

My Christmas wish...common sense rains down from the heavens and affects (infects?) all those who desperately need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Hook,</p>
<p>You are forgiven because you are correct.  Too bad we can drill basic economic principles into the heads of those in D.C.  Those who believe in their union, usually do so with religious fervor and therefore are unlikely to change.  It is too bad the rank and file do not do what is necessary to marginalize these zealots.</p>
<p>My Christmas wish&#8230;common sense rains down from the heavens and affects (infects?) all those who desperately need it.</p>
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		<title>By: allrsn</title>
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		<dc:creator>allrsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who will be the first to whine about socialism? My bet is: the rationalizing ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who will be the first to whine about socialism? My bet is: the rationalizing ones.</p>
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		<title>By: There's My Two Cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>There's My Two Cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;UAW: No Concessions, Thank You Very Much...&lt;/strong&gt;

Well, this was completely predictable.

The White House joined the ranks of socialism in bailout out GM and Chrysler with taxpayer dollars provided the companies change their business model into something resembling a profitable company.  One of th.....</description>
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<p>Well, this was completely predictable.</p>
<p>The White House joined the ranks of socialism in bailout out GM and Chrysler with taxpayer dollars provided the companies change their business model into something resembling a profitable company.  One of th&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: RabbidSquirrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>RabbidSquirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What???? The bubble hasnt burst yet?

Keep blowing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What???? The bubble hasnt burst yet?</p>
<p>Keep blowing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jbirish</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbirish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the taxpayers to the unions...*&amp;%# you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the taxpayers to the unions&#8230;*&amp;%# you!</p>
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		<title>By: ArizonaNeanderthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArizonaNeanderthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no--the UAW workers only get &lt;strong&gt;95%&lt;/strong&gt; of their wages when laid off-+ all their benefits of course. How about you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no&#8211;the UAW workers only get <strong>95%</strong> of their wages when laid off-+ all their benefits of course. How about you?</p>
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		<title>By: WaterBoyz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;em&gt;On December 24th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, mattymatt10 said:&lt;/em&gt;

    Are the UAW workers still getting money for being out?

&lt;em&gt;I read somewhere, or maybe heard it on Rush, that they will indeed be paid even while the plant is closed.&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Is this one of the &quot;sacrifices&quot; the UAW is doing?  The msm sure seems to be giving that impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> <em>On December 24th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, mattymatt10 said:</em></p>
<p>    Are the UAW workers still getting money for being out?</p>
<p><em>I read somewhere, or maybe heard it on Rush, that they will indeed be paid even while the plant is closed.</em>
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<p>Is this one of the &#8220;sacrifices&#8221; the UAW is doing?  The msm sure seems to be giving that impression.</p>
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		<title>By: mattymatt10</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattymatt10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On December 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, WaterBoyz said: 
So, Chrysler is shutting down for a month.

Are the UAW workers still getting money for being out?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I read somewhere, or maybe heard it on Rush, that they will indeed be paid even while the plant is closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On December 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, WaterBoyz said:<br />
So, Chrysler is shutting down for a month.</p>
<p>Are the UAW workers still getting money for being out?</p></blockquote>
<p>I read somewhere, or maybe heard it on Rush, that they will indeed be paid even while the plant is closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Hook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Hook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both the UAW and the big three management have lost sight of the dictum that the purpose of a business is to generate a profit for the shareholders, whether they be one or ten million. The workers and the management have both been competing against each other to run the company for their own benefits. Overly concerned about golden parachutes and stock prices, the management has not worked to build a sustainable company. They have instead pursued a course of instant gratification. This course of action is irresponsible and never works, in business, relationships, or any aspect of life. Nor has management bothered to reign in the unions. Lockouts and moving some production overseas could have helped the American car companies maintain a viable business and sent a message to the UAW that they cannot kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Counterintuitively, this would have actually protected the American worker by insuring that labor prices stay competitive and jobs would then be kept here.

Think of the UAW as a business which provides labor to car manufacturers.  The UAW has priced their labor so high as to become uncompetitive. They are now reaping the benefits of what they have previously sown. To borrow an expression, their chickens have come home to roost. In a capitalist economy, this cannot last and will end in some fashion. Absent government intervention, this will happen. Absent-minded government intervention, this will continue with the taxpayers footing the bill. The UAW is killing the jobs it allegedly wants to protect by killing the company that provides them. They have only to look at the steel industry to see their future.

In a capitalist transaction there is a voluntary exchange of goods and services for the mutual benefit of both parties. There are two failures in regard to this principle. The first is the labor-management relationship mentioned above, and the second is in the producer-consumer relationship. Concerning labor-management, the exchange is not voluntary, nor is it mutually beneficial. The labor laws in this country insure the big three must deal with the UAW labor pool and not go elsewhere. I doubt that the manufacturers would voluntarily hire employees that cost as much and behave the way the union workers do. This is also not mutually beneficial, but parasitically beneficial. Labor is a necessity, but the only labor pool available is a parasite to the company. Labor becomes a necessary evil to be controlled, as opposed to a valuable asset to be nurtured and protected. The failure of the relationship to the consumer is being played out in the loss of market share. Ultimately, the consumers win. They take their money and purchase a car they think gives them what they want for the price they are willing to pay. If the American autos don’t give them what they want for the price they want they will buy a foreign car. The only way the government can alter this relationship is to place tariffs on the imports. This will then skew the voluntary part of the relationship. 

The only solution lies in the free market. Unfortunately, this does not exist in America to the extent it needs to.

&lt;i&gt;Apologies for practically writing my own blogpost&lt;i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the UAW and the big three management have lost sight of the dictum that the purpose of a business is to generate a profit for the shareholders, whether they be one or ten million. The workers and the management have both been competing against each other to run the company for their own benefits. Overly concerned about golden parachutes and stock prices, the management has not worked to build a sustainable company. They have instead pursued a course of instant gratification. This course of action is irresponsible and never works, in business, relationships, or any aspect of life. Nor has management bothered to reign in the unions. Lockouts and moving some production overseas could have helped the American car companies maintain a viable business and sent a message to the UAW that they cannot kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Counterintuitively, this would have actually protected the American worker by insuring that labor prices stay competitive and jobs would then be kept here.</p>
<p>Think of the UAW as a business which provides labor to car manufacturers.  The UAW has priced their labor so high as to become uncompetitive. They are now reaping the benefits of what they have previously sown. To borrow an expression, their chickens have come home to roost. In a capitalist economy, this cannot last and will end in some fashion. Absent government intervention, this will happen. Absent-minded government intervention, this will continue with the taxpayers footing the bill. The UAW is killing the jobs it allegedly wants to protect by killing the company that provides them. They have only to look at the steel industry to see their future.</p>
<p>In a capitalist transaction there is a voluntary exchange of goods and services for the mutual benefit of both parties. There are two failures in regard to this principle. The first is the labor-management relationship mentioned above, and the second is in the producer-consumer relationship. Concerning labor-management, the exchange is not voluntary, nor is it mutually beneficial. The labor laws in this country insure the big three must deal with the UAW labor pool and not go elsewhere. I doubt that the manufacturers would voluntarily hire employees that cost as much and behave the way the union workers do. This is also not mutually beneficial, but parasitically beneficial. Labor is a necessity, but the only labor pool available is a parasite to the company. Labor becomes a necessary evil to be controlled, as opposed to a valuable asset to be nurtured and protected. The failure of the relationship to the consumer is being played out in the loss of market share. Ultimately, the consumers win. They take their money and purchase a car they think gives them what they want for the price they are willing to pay. If the American autos don’t give them what they want for the price they want they will buy a foreign car. The only way the government can alter this relationship is to place tariffs on the imports. This will then skew the voluntary part of the relationship. </p>
<p>The only solution lies in the free market. Unfortunately, this does not exist in America to the extent it needs to.</p>
<p><i>Apologies for practically writing my own blogpost</i><i></i></p>
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		<title>By: Phiber0p</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On December 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, WaterBoyz said:

So, Chrysler is shutting down for a month.

Are the UAW workers still getting money for being out?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bah! Most large manufacturers close for 2 - 4 weeks at year end for yearly facilities maintenance, i.e. painting, re-sealing floors etc... things that normally can not be done during production times. They have tried to make a huge deal out of a customary yearly shutdown to scare unknowing people into thinking they are about to close their doors for good. And yes, during these shutdowns they will be paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On December 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, WaterBoyz said:</p>
<p>So, Chrysler is shutting down for a month.</p>
<p>Are the UAW workers still getting money for being out?</p></blockquote>
<p>Bah! Most large manufacturers close for 2 &#8211; 4 weeks at year end for yearly facilities maintenance, i.e. painting, re-sealing floors etc&#8230; things that normally can not be done during production times. They have tried to make a huge deal out of a customary yearly shutdown to scare unknowing people into thinking they are about to close their doors for good. And yes, during these shutdowns they will be paid.</p>
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