Good news from Gitmo
Finally, some national security news to cheer:
A U.S. judge refused to release two Guantanamo terrorism suspects on Tuesday and upheld the government’s authority to keep them, after ordering freedom last month for five prisoners whose case led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling.
Federal District Court Judge Richard Leon said in two separate rulings the government had shown enough evidence to justify holding Yemeni citizen Moath Hamza Amhed Al Alwi and Tunisian Hisham Sliti as “enemy combatants” linked to al Qaeda or Taliban forces.
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The terror apologists in the human rights community are up in arm, of course. They want the dangerous detainees freed immediately.
But as I wrote in my column last month on Obama’s second-thoughts advisers and supporters now refining their position on preventive detention to accommodate reality: “Nothing clarifies the mind like a jihadi boomerang.
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Well, it would have been great from the cRAT’S standpoint if Bush had followed their foolish advise and laid a foundation for another catastrophic terrorist attack.
1)the cRATS mau-mau W into giving the terrorist detainees their “civil rights”
2)subsequently-released terrorists kill a bunch of Americans
3)the MSM connects the dots and excoriates the President for failing to take national security seriously
That would have given the cRATs the White House on a foreign policy mandate (instead of the domestic mandate he handed them by following their advise on economic matters.)
Now that The Messiah will soon be in office, preventative detention suddenly makes sense (go fig.) I have a feeling Durbin probably won’t be referring to Gitmo as a gulag anytime soon.
Good. Maybe they’ll appreciate the Second Amendment.
I doubt it. Most liberals just don’t get it. They still think diplomacy and a rousing chorus of “Kumbaya” will end all the world’s trouble.
Yesterday, I was listening to news coverage of the protests over the Israel/Hamas skirmish and someone who thinks it’s awful Israel is defending itself against repeated Hamas rocket attacks. The woman in the clip had no capacity to understand the notion of self-defense, either personal or national.
It’s been my experience that most liberals think if we put down our weapons, the terrorists will. That they’ll be spared because they’re “pro-peace”…
They won’t.
Freeing the Gitmo detainees is a sure-fire way to guarantee 3,000 (or more) American citizens are killed in a terror attack.
I’ve always been in favor of freeing the enemy combatants from Gitmo. Ship them half way across the Atlantic and let them swim the rest of the way.
Come on Ralph, ships are too slow. Put them on a plane and give them parachutes that they have to pack for themselves. That would accomplish two things for them:
1. freedom
2. a viable new skill – for those that survive
Seriously, it’s good to see that some Federal judges still have common sense, but I wonder how long decisions like this will last after January 20.
….but I wonder how long decisions like this will last after January 20.
That’s the $64,000 question indeed.
I could not agree more. At times (and recently, more frequently than not), I think liberals are retarded, politically if not physically, anyway. They don’t even learn from other’s mistakes (see the conversion of Europe to Eurabia, and the “youth” riots).
The beauty of it all is that the second something happens, it happens on “Obama’s watch.” There are no more George Bush’s to blame for all the ills of the world.
The sad part is, we will all have to pay for this “Kumbaya” view of the world.
Obama knows (or at least I hope he knows) that history will be scrutinizing his every move, the price one pays for being the first of anything. Hopefully, that will temper any reflexive lefty actions that put us all at risk.
Indeed English Queen.
Some people fail to realize that one can’t reason with unreasonable people.
And this non-sense about a “dis-proportional” response. Well, I’ve always heard it said that, if you’re in a fair fight, then your tactics suck. Joe Lewis, Muhammed Ali, George Foreman, et. al. won boxing championships not by being “proportional”, but by going after their opponents with everything they had.
This will break lgm’s heart.
People who defend these terrorists are almost as low as the terrorists themselves. Ask the families who have lost loved ones from terrorist acts. I will bet a dollar to a dime that they hate these useless idiots.
I can’t believe these unlawful combatants (at least according to the International Law of Armed Conflict) have not seen justice served yet. We can’t thank the judges legislating from the bench enough for that. As Dennis Miller has said, “some times you have to thin the herd.” I know the world would be somewhat safer should all of the residents of GITMO taken prisoner on the battle should shake off this mortal coil or better yet make them house guests of the liberal judges and other moonbats that support them.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!
Several European countries have agreed to take in the Gitmo detainees should Barack Hussein, Allah be Praised, BroBama close the prison.
The Police in Britain, France and Holland do have experience watching the jihadist burn their cities. Rebuilding their cities, subways, buses and hospitals after the jihadists bomb them could be a stimulus to the European economies. All those dead people would lower unemployment.
And now WE have nothing to fear; the jihadist have seen us elect the Man From Kenya-or is it Indonesia?-our chattering class is damning Israel and now all will be Peace and Love and the Age of Aquarius. (tear) Yes Dear People all Hold Hands OPEN the gates of Gitmo and sing LET THEM SWIM, LET THEM SWIM, LET THEM SWIM.
As for me? Back to the re-loading bench making my own Home Land Security Devices. Lock and Load Good People, our Country has need of you. (2nd tear)
Couldn’t we put all the Gitmo inmates on an aircraft and then have the aircraft accidentally crash? Into the ocean? In a storm?
Trouble is, there will be more of these folks to be held the rest of our days. What to do with them?
Chicago’s Citizen of the Year 1997, the unrepentant terrorist, William Ayers, came to mind as I read that line.
We could put them in a really big rocket and shoot them into the sun…. nah too expensive. We could put them in a smaller rocket and shoot them into the ocean…..
I’ve liked this situtation to poking a stick in a hornet’s nest. Do you suppose there response would be “dis-proportional”?
I’m with you Boomer. Let’s just “Git ‘er Done” already!!
Torabora, you would waste a perfectly good airplane on those people?
Like the great Robert Duvall said in Broken Trail when his partner hung a man:
“A man like that isn’t worth the food he eats, let alone the cost of a good rope.”
If any country does accept them, I am sure that the U.S. will pay the freight. In other words, we’ll take’em, but you have to pay for their keep. I’m sure it will all be done under the table so nobama will look like the wonderful, outstandidng diplomat that the msm has made him out to be.
everything will revert back to the Bush Administration and their policies. The left will never accept any blame that easisly. They’d rather shift it than accept it. Ask Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and the ever lovely (BUUUUUIIICCCK) Pelosi.
Also, rest assured that the next four years (please God, not
All this talk of rockets and planes in a time when our country can’t afford such niceties. Close the base but leave the prisoners locked in their cells. Things will work themselves out in time.
Not finishing the job.
Letting the enemy remain viable
Letting the enemy get behind you
As in:
Korea
Viet Nam
Gulf War 1
Israel v Hezbollah 2006
“Humanitarian Cease Fire” allowing arms and ammunition to flow in.
Should have been , please God, not 8.
There you are, John. I was on the field on honor this morning waiting for you, but you didn’t show. So I win by default.
I cleaned and oiled my pistols for nothing!
I don’t know why we can’t just set them up in an apartment in some left wing city that welcomes illegal aliens. Berzerkley maybe? San Fran, Seattle, New York, etc. Etc.
Actually, I can imagine a big turn around on the left as soon as it’s proposed.
“Set em free, just not in my neighborhood.”
I think we should drop em off in Gaza city with “Go Israel” tee shirts on. Maybe add a picture of a plane dropping bombs.
Better yet, lock them all in one cell and drop in one knife. Come back in a year
Sorry, eagle never came by to pick me up. Wonder why?
Oh well, I still owe you a beer.
This is a victory for the rule of law. In this case, the judge ruled that there actually was evidence.
Liberals are not against fighting terror. They are against destroying American values, and our system of justice, to do so.
Now you see liberals were right — the courts and not the President — should decide who is innocent or guilty. The courts can do that.
Looks I might get to be the first one to refer to the metaphors about the “blind squirrel”, or the “broken clock”.
I call bull$hit.
No they were wrong, most of the jihadis release have gone on to fight again. Some have even killed americans.
Granite, squirrel will suffice. They run around chattering, puff themselves up but don’t really do anything.
Liberals are against fighting terror – especially if by fighting those that are fighting terror destroys American values, and our system of justice to do so.
Liberals would have had us deliver warrants to the Japanese embassy on Dec 8, 1941.
These “terrorist apologists” apparently have a death wish. That would be fine if the deaths were always their own. Unfortunately, it is always innocents who are hurt by turning these evil creatures loose on the public! Why do liberals continue to want these horrible people freed? I know, I know, questioning the motives of the liberals is like delving into a bottomless pit of mental deformity. It really is just pure insanity!
Hundreds of Iranians storm British compound in Tehran over Gaza attacks
We are told Israeli fighter jets can not reach Tehran and back with out refueling mid air–a vulnerable moment. How about B1, B2, can they make a round trip Israel to Tehran?
It is way over due to level our Embassy while full of jihadist and what ever else the Israelis might need to target.
There is a unique new philosophy that I suggest be used…”TAKE NO PRISONERS! Problem solved.
By failing to actively fight our enemies and support our friends’ in battle against their enemies, i.e., Israel’s taking to task Hamas, the Left is sacrificing those very ideals.
You got that right!
Cannot disagree with that.
The “nitty-gritty” point is fast approaching us; it will be either us or them.
You can’t prove it by anything I’ve seen in the last 40 years.
But certainly, lgm, you’re welcome to provide evidence for my consideration.
Thata why we have the double tap!!!
I agree. I’ve called for this before in regards to our “peaceful islamic opponents”. No quarter! NO QUARTER ASKED NOR GIVEN!
Don’t even try, lgm! Don’t even try to insult this audience with self-righteous BS. We all know liberalism here – we all recognize how liberalism has eroded American values to the point of electing a socialist president. Liberalism is a cancer on American values. It’s shallow in substance but deep in negative effect. Please, do NOT try to redefine liberalism on this forum – won’t work.
I don’t know what that is, sonofdy. Please explain.
WOW!! YES!!
sonofdy, why don’t you collect eaglehaslanded and go to scrapper’s house for a demo.
Sounds dirty. I don’t think wifeofsonofdy would approve.
Yo, IDIOT, these are NOT Americans.
Yo, IDIOT, you are a math teacher. What would you know about rule of law as it applies to our enemies killing our citizens?
Yo, IDIOT, liberals want rights for terrorists.
Yo, IDIOT – awe – nevermind. You are not worth the trouble to go on. Suffice to say, the victims of terrorists would slap you on the face and me on the back.
That’s probably why I don’t understand, Chap! I have a very clean mind!
HMMM
Do you mean U.S. Constitutional Law?
World court law.
Natural law.
Positive law.
Military law.
United Nation law.
LGM. Have you ever considered that all international law is made by those who are the most powerful, which happens to be us.
THE DETAINEES ARE WAR COMBATANTS AND WE ARE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
GEEEES!
If you do, please wear a large name tag so I don’t shoot the wrong person!
Double tap is two shots quickly fired, aimed at the chest. Since pistol shots usually have a 25% accuracy rate, this increases the odds of stopping your threat immediately.
TRANSLATION: Liberals are still “stuck on stupid” because terrorists are fighting an unconventional war without rules, while they play Cops and Robbers.
The people at GITMO are “prisoners of war” captured on the battlefield, not robbers or arsonists. Some have committed war crimes others have not. HOWEVER, all of them should be held until hostilites end. If hostilites do not end, sucks to be them. They are enjoying a better fate than the Americans their friends captured.
They are foreign soldiers who have ZERO rights in US Courts. They are a matter for the military….period. Any “rights” afforded these captives are those agreed to through international treaties. Domestic courts can bay at the moon. The Commander in CHief, should tell the courts to rotate on their single point of contact.
I see no sympathy or outrage from LGM or any other liberal over the butchering, torture, and disfiguring of US soldiers captured.
LGM, be thankful there are warriors and people like George Bush between you and the bad guys. These idiots coming in on January 20 are going to get a lot of Americans killed with their stupidiity.
Don’t shoot the one wearing pink. It’s that easy.
Except the ones that weren’t captured on a battlefield, of course.
That is rather funny…I wrote comment #48 before I knew what double tap even meant! Apparently, in addition to being incredibly intelligent, I am also psychic!
You mean the lawyers of course?
LGM and all visiting liberals.
Try spening a month in the field with people intent on killing you. It will give you a whole new perspective on life.
I was unaware of our capturing enemy combatants on the moon.
They made the entire planet a battlefield so they can deal with our holding them to that definition when we capture one of them.
They made the rules; we will play the game. As mentioned, sucks to be them.
OPPS
speningspendingOn December 31st, 2008 at 11:50 am, Flyoverman said:
Great point! Of course, that concept makes too much sense for most liberals to grasp.
My own view is you keep shooting until the sob is dead, but I do not wish to seem harsh.
With the M-16 and M-4 a triple tap might be more feasible. With a belt fed weapon it would be a “whole bunch of tap”.
Infantry school: keep firing until the hostile is no longer a threat.
Excellent points.
Well said!
Then reload.
I am sure it would. But I hope that it would not force me to abandon any principles.
I just do not understand why it is so controversial for the government to have to show some sort of evidence, not a lot mind you…just some, that the people they capture and detain indefinitely are actually a threat. And evidence does not mean “take our word for it.”
Don’t forget Hobbes’ fourteenth and fifteent laws of nature, familyman:
When the terrorist apologists and Gitmo-phobes get up in arms, I get up in finger.
I don’t know a lot of people who have a problem with this… the controversy is whether civilian courts are appropriate venues to review said evidence (IMHO they are not).
I think that is fair and obviously a lot of common ground and compromise can be found in exactly how to handle the trials or tribunals or whatever you want to call them. But the system as initially established by the Administration was an absolute joke and no changes came about until the Courts pointed out what a farce they were and forced change.
Not surprising that the administration did not do it right until people complained. That seems to be the way they do things all the time! The government today is rather a joke and I have stopped expecting them to do the right thing for the people. Very sad.
Chap and lgm,
Sun Tzu said, “If you know yourself and you know your enemy in a hundred battles you will be victorious.”
Want to know your enemy? While you discuss the “rights” of the poor oppressed at Gitmo their friends in Hamas are also discussing “legal rights.” Here is an excerpt from the Jerusalem post.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230111707087&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
On Tuesday, Hamas legislators marked the Christmas season by passing a Shari’a criminal code for the Palestinian Authority. Among other things, it legalizes crucifixion.
Hamas’s endorsement of nailing enemies of Islam to crosses came at the same time it renewed its jihad. Here, too, Hamas wanted to make sure that Christians didn’t feel neglected…..
Doesn’t sit well with Hobbes fourteenth and fifteenth laws now does it? They never heard of them and they don’t care, because it’s not Sharia Law.
I don’t know, you grab them on the battlefield with weapons in hand…seems like prima facie evidence to me.
I don’t care much about it either, but FamilyMan seems to.
I agree. And if that were how all of the detainees were captured, we’d have no issue.
But we both know that is not the case.
Good use of the term prima facie, though.
Agree with Boomer and I’d go further – if anyone is foolish enough to want these animals released they should be the first to step forward and offer them shelter. Seems only right.
But then, that double tap thing solves a miriad of problems.
1. I am sure the contractors who were beheaded got this same consideration…
2. We should take the words of our great men and women in our military over some lawyers.
3. Is it just plausible our fighting forces are doing a proper job or must we run everything through the courts for approval?
4. Who, when asked if they are guilty, is going to say yes? If that is the whole of your case, there are none guilty – take their word for it!
5. Could it be disastrous to let the wrong “innocents” go? Has it been?
I will agree with your assessment chap, as long as we can run it by the victims of terrorists first, you know, for their approval.
R O T F L M A O !!
It’s bizzaro world palooza!
I’d really like to know what lgm or one of our other non reasonable liberals think of attorneys representing these prisoners pro-bono.
How can you justify defending someone that is sworn to kill our troops?
Please, no altruistic BS about defending human rights. Nobody really believes that.
Well in this case – according to the ACLU lawyer quoted – the evidence was presented in a closed hearing because it was classified. So a judge heard evidence and ruled against the two. Presumably these two heard the evidence against them. If they heard the evidence and had competent counsel, I don’t see a problem with not blabbing to the rest of the world the “classidfied” part of this.
Oops typos again.
Thanks but Georgetown Law still hasn’t graduated me, despite graduating everyone else…
I wish liberals would just admit what they really think. The liberals will always justify their candidates lies because they know they wouldn’t be elected if they told the truth about what they believed. They think they are smarter, and they are fighting for the unfortunate dumb who don’t know what’s good for them.
Swell.
I just wrote a long post answering soap’s questions and it didn’t post.
I really don’t understand how that happens sometimes.
Oh well. I am sure there will be another time and thread and I am too lazy to rewrite it.
By using prima facie properly and in context, I have it in my authority to grant you an honorary JD.
Oh and btw, one of those reporters over your way scoping out Obama is a friend of mine from law school. The beautiful Ms. Savannah Guthrie of MSNBC. I apparently missed the class on the law of presidential pec ogling.
FamilyMan Natural Law #1
Those with the biggest teeth are the law makers.
Drop the cussing and it will go through!
On December 31st, 2008 at 12:53 pm,
Chap…I have that problem a lot. I have now started to copy my post before trying to post it. Then, if it is lost, I can just go back and do it again by pasting my comments back in. Since I tend to ramble and post long comments, it has really saved me a lot of frustration.
This is similar to the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
Just because it sucks doesn’t mean it isn’t so.
sonofdy said (#28):
Correct except for the most and some, which should be some (less than ten) and none. If you think otherwise give a link to a site with numbers.
swmntman said (#40):
Don’t forget the part about “precious bodily fluids” — a reference to the movie Doctor Strangelove.
On-my-soap-box said (#45):
Liberals want rights for people accused of being terrorists, until they are convicted in a legitimate trial.
FamilyMan said (#47):
Yes.
Flyoverman said (#50):
Some people are guilty of these crimes, but there is little or no evidence against most of the people in Gitmo.
I agree relative innocents should be treated fairly and not held without cause. As for the rest,torture them with the Barney Theme song.
Check out HuffPo, DU, and Daily Kook and you’ll notice that seems to be about half of a liberals vocabulary.
Excuse me LGM, but if you are fighting on the side of people who do those things, you are one and the same!
Barney Theme, Storm Chaser!?!?
Even Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin would wonder how you could possibly do such a thing to another human!
Please excuse us little people, but we haven’t been privy to all the evidence against all the people in Gitmo as you have.
I must admit your posts are getting better, though.
HAHHHAHHAHHAHHAAAAAA – that’s rich coming from an idiot who has never linked to a sight with statistics. I do remember you linked to a yahoo answers once. IDIOT.
P.S. you had us at “Correct”.
Fixed
Link please.
As my instructor on the M9 explained double taps:
“If the first one doesn’t kill ‘em, the second one will and if the first one killed ‘em, then the second one ain’t gonna hurt ‘em any more.”
Seemed logical at the time and still does.
Remember – gun control is a proper grouping of your shots.
Thanks, soap!
YW b-cat. The thought of lgm taking that comment seriously was problematic.
MSNBC? No wonder no one has seen her since law school…for those who wish to check her out - I seem to provide the service MM does not. Links to beautiful women. Hey, somebody’s got to step up…
The B2s made the round trip to Baghdad from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri. They and the B1Bs could fly from Israel to Tehran and hang around for a few hours without refueling.
ECS
Armor school: If it doesn’t blow up, shoot it again. Repeat as necessary.
The .50 Cal on my tank was my personal weapon; the .45 was for keeping crap off the back deck.
ECS
lgm,
Why are you stuck on “evidence?” It is irrelevant. One more time lgm; this is NOT Cops and Robbers. The people we have captured are Prisoners of War captured in combat zones. If some are criminals that is a whole different manner.
10% of the Gitmo crowd may be criminals, but 100% of them are POW’s and until hostilities cease there they stay. If hostilities do not cease, well they die of old age. Sucks to be them, but they should have considered that when they chose to pick a fight with us.
I noticed that for all of your pontificating your response to my statement, “I see no sympathy or outrage from LGM or any other liberal over the butchering, torture, and disfiguring of US soldiers capture,” remains TOTAL AND COMPLETE SILENCE from you regarding ANY critcism of terrorists or their conduct.
Your silence speaks volumes about how you view of Americans in uniform, terrorists, and your support of what they are trying to do to this nation and its citizens.
You remind me of William Kunstler, the “progressive” lawyer who defended the Chicago 7 in the 70′s. When asked why he had not denounced the butchering of Cambodians by the Khmer Rouge (1.8 million people, 25% of Cambodia’s population), Kunstler responded, “I make it a point to never criticize the actions of a socialist country.”
Kunstler would be very proud of you lgm. Like Kunstler, in your world view I am your enemy so those who oppose me, like those wonderful jihadists are justified in doing anything that puts me and those like me where we belong up to an including a grave.
The Left does not dissent; they sympathize. That is why their actions are treasonous.
Artillery School: Why quibble when you can take out the grid square.
Happy, Aloha, Flyover -
Actually, it was proven that a lot of the Gitmo detainees were actually just out hunting pheasants and got caught in the cross-fire (I think it was researched by a good-looking reporter from MSNBC).
lgm – your response in #84 is a reference to Dr. Strangelove? Really? Poor effort.