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1. #1
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 am, Tennessee Dave said:

   Pouring salt into wounds can hurt.
   Pouring salt onto snow can help.
   Common sense to me.
   But then who says common sense resided in Seattle.

2. #2
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 am, Tennessee Dave said:

   And in the spirit of Obama:
   “This is not the salt I used to know.”

3. #3
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 am, d1carter said:

   but, but, but Al Gore said ….

4. #4
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 am, tiefelj said:

   I live near Seattle and must suffer the consequences of these moron’s decisions.

   I was out for my walk today. I notice the amount of dirt and sand on the roads due to the 5 inches of snow we got.

   But then the news media doubles this number, that is the snow amount, but, that’s another story.

   Will the city or state pay for the accident when the autos slide thru a stop sign due to this stupid sand on the road?

   Or better yet, who’s paying for the extra carbon credit that are required for the street sweepers to clean up this mess?

   Mayor, whatever, people want to know. In fact your hero Al wants to know. Street sweepers use a lot of gas and are really polluting-for what? A little salt water?

   Jake

5. #5
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 am, FamilyMan said:

   We’ve had record snow fall for December in Coeur d’Alene Idaho. Thank God 300 miles separates us from that Seattle insanity. Our small town government did a great job of keeping the roads open for the Christmas season.
   SUCKS TO BE YOU SEATTLE.

6. #6
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 am, love2rumba said:

   Liberals love re-election and money…perhaps Nickelhead will learn too that Seattle cannot pre-empt the Washington state law with respect to concealed-carry…but then I am expecting to see mailers coming to my place screaming for more donations to the NRA, GOA and such to fight his moronic proposed attempt to deny me my right to carry a handgun in Seattle parks.

7. #7
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 3:21 am, radio relay said:

   Funny how the enviro-Nazis can ignore Gaia when it threatens their socialist take over.

8. #8
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 4:09 am, LC Scott said:

   At least Seattle is changing there policy, Portland still thinks this is a good idea.

9. #9
   On January 2nd, 2009 at 4:17 am, graysonret said:

   Global warming…isn’t it wonderful? Uh,…hmmm.

10. #10
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 7:29 am, Ralph Gizzip said:

    You get the government you deserve, morons!

11. #11
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 8:34 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    he no doubt hopes knows voters’ memories are short

    …and over 50% are stupid.

12. #12
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 am, tre said:

    It takes a really big, strong, confident man to admit he’s wrong.

    Well, he admitted to being wrong, but he’s still a whiny, yellow-bellied, lilly-livered, pencil-necked, looney, left-winged liberal.

13. #13
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 8:54 am, Flyoverman said:

    A liberal politician is a conservative that has not yet been mugged by the weather.

    He could have used a little global warming. It’s hell when the reality of life smacks you upside the head and you have to make decesions based on actual problems.

14. #14
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 9:05 am, zorro said:

    tre said: Well, he admitted to being wrong, but he’s still a whiny, yellow-bellied, lilly-livered, pencil-necked, looney, left-winged liberal.

    So, he’s a politician.

15. #15
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 9:22 am, Juliethejarhead said:

    I miss Gilda Radner.

16. #16
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 am, johnsteele said:

    The truly sad part is that despite this and numerous other ‘mistakes” I am confident that he will be re-elected. If the people of this nation can go collectively stupid and elect Barack Obama president they can sure as H*ll re-elect a minor moron like Nickels.

    Hope and Change you know.

17. #17
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 2nd, 2009 at 9:22 am, Juliethejarhead said:
    I miss Gilda Radner.

    Be careful Julie, you are dating yourself!

18. #18
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 am, Paul Revere said:

    Shouldn’t global warming have melted the ice and stranded a polar bear somewhere in Seattle?

19. #19
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 am, MooDog2 said:

    Not that it matters, but I was looking for his honor’s party affiliation. Note to self: When party not listed-assume “D”.

20. #20
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 am, USN RET said:

    Its a good start, now he should cancel his moronic tax on plastic shopping bags.

21. #21
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 am, Boomer said:

    All I can think of reading this is the line from Blazzing Saddles: “Gentlemen! Gentlmen! We have to protect our phony baloney jobs!

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!

22. #22
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 11:13 am, TooMuchTime said:

    …he’s still a whiny, yellow-bellied, lilly-livered, pencil-necked, looney, left-winged liberal.

    tre, quit mincing your words and tell us how you really feel.

23. #23
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 am, TooMuchTime said:

    Shouldn’t global warming have melted the ice and stranded a polar bear somewhere in Seattle?

    When will you all learn? It’s not “global warming” anymore. It’s Climate Change!

    If it’s warm, it’s Climate Change. If it’s cold, it’s Climate Change. See? It’s all inclusive! Think about that. Who would doubt that the climate is changing? I mean, first it’s warm, then it’s cold, then it’s warm again.

    Hey! This climate change seems to be happening about every six months!

    I say we send a great deal of money of AlGore, Greenpeace, et.al, to help protect and save us from these bi-yearly climate changes.

    Yeah! More money. That will do it!

24. #24
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 am, conservativesRus said:

    I’ve noticed that we also have daylight changes…and in spite of congress mandating we change our clock, the amount of daylight continues to change. We need to stop this. Please send money to all registered members of MM.com. We need this money to study this matter and to make recommendations. Maybe some “daylight” credits.

25. #25
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 am, happyscrapper said:

    Well, he admitted to being wrong, but he’s still a whiny, yellow-bellied, lilly-livered, pencil-necked, looney, left-winged liberal.

    Tre, I love this description! May I plagerize it?

26. #26
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 am, BobonStatenIsland said:

    I believe it was New York City’s Mayor Beam that lost an election due to his poor response to a major snowfall. The voters couldn’t get to work, couldn’t make money….off with his head.
    Now it’s time to rid New York of Nanny Mike.

27. #27
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm, tre said:

    Sure thing, Happy Scrapper. But, acknowledge me everytime you use it!

    Too Much Time, if I said how I REALLY feel, Michelle would ban my GRANDCHILDREN from this blog!

28. #28
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm, lgm said:

    “We decided not to utilize salt because it’s not a healthy addition to Puget Sound.”

    How do you know this is wrong. Maybe salt is bad for the Sound? MM didn’t even bother to say. My guess is that there is a very good reason not to use salt. Please provide links to the contrary.

29. #29
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm, rightisright said:

    Liberalism is a disease and it kills. My 1st thought was how many emergency cases did not make it to the hospital in time due to snow packed roads.
    I can’t believe why so many people vote these dumb ass libs into office…oh, wait, answered my own question. Dumb a$$ voters vote for dumb a$$es…got it. You only have to look to the U.S. Congress and the president-elect…wow! we’re in trouble.

30. #30
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm, ChicagoRobb said:

    In 1979 Mike Bilandic of Chicago botched the city’s response to a a blizzard. He lost the next election

31. #31
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm, CWinNY said:

    lgm said:

    “We decided not to utilize salt because it’s not a healthy addition to Puget Sound.”

    How do you know this is wrong. Maybe salt is bad for the Sound? MM didn’t even bother to say. My guess is that there is a very good reason not to use salt. Please provide links to the contrary.

    Yeah, adding salt to the roads that drain off into an arm of the ocean (salt water) could cause irreparable harm. /sarc off

    lgm, where do you think the salt came from in the first place? Here in NY they use more salt per mile than any other state – it is leaching into the ground water and will eventually be a huge mess. In Seattle where it drains back into salt water – no so much of a problem.

32. #32
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    But then who says common sense resided in Seattle.

    The Second Amendment Foundation is headquartered in Bellevue, Washington and they have a saying about Seattle: “America is only fifteen minutes away in any direction”.
    I am sure Seattle has a good reason not to salt: PC silliness.
    There are alternatives. Flagstaff, Arizona can not salt as the city sits higher than it’s reservoir. So Flagstaff uses cinders; they don’t just hard scape the the ice and let people die. Flagstaff sits at 7,000 feet so it does get cold and lots of snow.

33. #33
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm, lgm said:

    CWinNY said (#31):

    In Seattle where it drains back into salt water – no so much of a problem.

    I’m guessing that there’s something about road salt and the Sound that you don’t know and the Mayor of Seattle does. I’m guessing there’s a reason nobody with any credentials objected to the Mayor’s statement about salt and the Sound.

34. #34
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:43 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm, lgm said:
    How do you know this is wrong. Maybe salt is bad for the Sound? MM didn’t even bother to say. My guess is that there is a very good reason not to use salt. Please provide links to the contrary.

    Please don’t waste time providing lgm with anything! We all know it isn’t worth feeding, and nothing positive comes of any discourse with it.

35. #35
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm, conservativesRus said:

    sorry scrapper – I can’t resist.

    lgm – do you know the difference between road salt and table salt?

    I’m guessing neither does the Mayor of Seattle.

    When you learn that difference, please come back and report to us so we all can know why salt is bad for the oceans.

36. #36
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm, tre said:

    This just in: next summer, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickles will ban car washes and lawn watering, since the water could drain into Puget Sound.

37. #37
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On January 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm, conservativesRus said:
    sorry scrapper – I can’t resist.

    O.K. Good post!

38. #38
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I guess they could just solve the problem by using kosher sea salt to treat the roads in Seattle.

    And if the Moonbats out there complained about putting sea salt back in to the sea we could just tell them it was a program to return captive salt crystals to their native habitat…

39. #39
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On January 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    HA!!

40. #40
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm, The_Real_JeffS said:

    LGM, road salt is mined from deposits left by evaporation, what’s called an “evaporite“, such as at the Bonneville Flats.

    In other words, rock salt is a natural mineral, much like what is already dissolved in the waters of Puget Sound. There might be valid concerns in raising the natural salinity on the Sound around the Seattle area, but that would be a short event, thanks to the currents and surface run off.

    It’s not that much of an issue, except to people who don’t know what they’re talking about.

41. #41
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 2:46 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    lgm said:

    My guess is that there is a very good reason not to use salt. Please provide links to the contrary.

    bzzzztttt… wrong answer numbnutz… the onus is on you to disprove commonly held wisdom… It’s laughable to think that you expect others to disprove your nutzroots beliefs… ROTLMAO

42. #42
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On January 2nd, 2009 at 2:46 pm, Tazed and Confused said:
    bzzzztttt… wrong answer numbnutz… the onus is on you to disprove commonly held wisdom… It’s laughable to think that you expect others to disprove your nutzroots beliefs… ROTLMAO

    Yes!! lgm has this tactic where “it” tries to hijack the thread by trying to make us go and find links to prove our points to “it”. Looks like we are finally catching on to that somewhat transparent attempt. If lgm wants to prove “its” point by linking, fine. Otherwise, “it” needs to STFU.

43. #43
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 5:04 pm, Socky said:

    I’m guessing that there’s something about road salt and the Sound that you don’t know and the Mayor of Seattle does. I’m guessing there’s a reason nobody with any credentials objected to the Mayor’s statement about salt and the Sound.

    Blind, unquestioning deference to environmental activists … it’s the liberal way.

44. #44
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 5:11 pm, CWinNY said:

    There are millions of people living around the Puget Sound area. There are thousands of miles of roads in the drainage basin around the sound. Most of the population is in Seattle, but not the majority of roads. Banning the use of salt in Seattle without limiting its use in other towns and cities around the sound or limiting its use by other road crews including the state DOT is clearly just a political ploy and not at all effective. In other words typical liberal, feel good, stupidity.

45. #45
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 5:46 pm, huggybear said:

    the onus is on you to disprove commonly held wisdom…

    It’s commonly held wisdom that salt kills things.

    There is no right or wrong answer here. If you think it’s okay to damage the environment in exchange for clear roads, that’s an opinion (And trust me — in Upper Michigan, where salt is regularly used to melt ice, many roads are lined with dead trees.) but that does not make it “right.” And just as Jack Bogdanski is not an obstetrician, I’m guessing you are not an ecologist. You’re welcome to have an opinion, but that doesn’t mean your opinion is worth any more than anyone else’s.

46. #46
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 6:05 pm, The_Real_JeffS said:

    
    

    There is no right or wrong answer here.

    Huggybear, there is indeed a right and wrong answer here. It depends on your priorities and values.

    In this case, Mayor Nickels admitted that placing the environment ahead of the lives and welfare of the people who live and work in Seattle was a mistake. Which is just another way of saying “We were wrong”.

    Your “There is no right or wrong answer” is just fence sitting at best, and enabling bad decisions by not calling people on them at worst.

    In this case, the Seattle administration made the wrong decision. Made, perhaps, with the best of intentions, but still the wrong decision.

    And too much of anything can kill. For example, too much snow can kill people, vegetation, and wildlife. Too much water can kill as well. There’s always a balance, with a certain amount of leeway, all throughout nature. The Sound’s ecology might not tolerate a constant influx of salt, but for a few days every year or two? It probably can. I wouldn’t go out of my way to do it, but for weather conditions that are fairly rare of Seattle? Not a major problem. I’d worry more about oil getting dumped into drains.

    Nature doesn’t practice moral equivalence; that’s a purely human characteristic.

47. #47
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On January 2nd, 2009 at 5:46 pm, huggybear said:

    There is no right or wrong answer here.

    Ummm – actually yes there is. If by action or lack of action you create a situation where a human life is needlessly threatened then YOU ARE WRONG. It’s not hard, try considering human life as the most precious thing on Earth – it’s an eyeopening experience.

    If you think it’s okay to damage the environment in exchange for clear roads, that’s an opinion (And trust me — in Upper Michigan, where salt is regularly used to melt ice, many roads are lined with dead trees.)

    The roads in upper Michigan are lined with dead trees because THEY DROWN. There’s no drainage up there because of the roads, especially US 2 – so they are standing in stagnant water and they DROWN.

    And just as Jack Bogdanski is not an obstetrician, I’m guessing you are not an ecologist.

    There’s no requirement to be an obstetrician nor a ecologist to point out governmental stupidity. In fact it helps if you’re not an ecologist. I’m a conservationist. We’re smarter than ecologists because we consider the value of human life.

    You’re welcome to have an opinion, but that doesn’t mean your opinion is worth any more than anyone else’s.

    Actually since I spent my life reclaiming deforested areas, my opinion is worth more than a lot of people’s when it comes to environmental matters. Especially the know nothing, do nothing, whine about everything, not in MY backyard watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) who sit on their hands and demand laws to enact their silly daydreams rather than getting off their dead asses and getting their hands dirty.

48. #48
    On January 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 pm, thefoundingfathers said:

    OK, stating the obvious for most of us here and a complete mystery for the rest, salt comes from salt mines in the earth. Therefore, salt (NaCl) is a naturally occuring element in the earth’s biosphere.

    BTW too much of anything can kill. Too much oxygen in the air can kill, drinking too much water can kill, etc. Hopefully, you get the picture, but I am not holding my breath.

49. #49
    On January 3rd, 2009 at 9:42 am, rightside said:

    Michelle,

    her last name is spelled Litela.