About that Israeli strike on the UN “school” Updated
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For context, watch this video from the UNRWA boys’ school in Gaza in 2007:
Terrorists from the Gaza Strip fire mortars from an UNRWA boys’ school in Gaza on 29 Oct. 2007. Hamas and other terror organizations in Gaza make deliberate use of civilians living in populated areas as human shields.
Fast forward to 2009:
An Israeli official says Palestinian militants fired on Israeli soldiers from the courtyard of a U.N. school where dozens of people died in fiery explosions.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he said the army is still drafting the country’s official response to the incident.
Palestinian medics said 34 people were killed in an Israeli strike outside a U.N. school in the northern Gaza town of Jebaliya. The United Nations confirmed 30 were killed and 55 injured.
The Israeli official said “hostile fire” was directed at the soldiers from within the school. He said soldiers returned fire and multiple explosions went off, presumably emanating from munitions stored there.
Related: “Hamas operatives are in the hospital and have disguised themselves as nurses and doctors,” one official said.
Flashback – more human shield ploys: Ambulances for terror.
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Lawhawk has more. So does Israellycool.
Update: The Israeli consulate has issued a statement:
Earlier today, upwards of 35 Palestinian civilians were reportedly killed in two unfortunate accidents in Gaza, one at a school run by UNRWA and the second at an apartment in Gaza City. These deaths are indeed a tragedy, and investigations are underway to ensure that further operations continue to avoid civilian casualties.
These initial investigations indicate that Hamas used the UNRWA school to fire at IDF forces, indicating once again that Hamas is more than willing to sacrifice Gaza citizens to promote terrorism. International law recognizes that the presence of civilians in an area of conflict does not delegitimize a military target. Israel and the IDF will continue to abide by these laws and to make every effort to avoid harming civilians in conducting further operations. We urge the international community to strongly condemn Hamas’s cynical exploitation of its citizens and firing of rockets, which remain the most effective way to ensure peace for Gazans and Israelis alike.
Update: Related video and analysis from Allahpundit here.
And more from Jim Hoft, who writes that IDF says the bodies of two Hamas jihadis were found at the school along with a missile launcher with anti-tank missiles.
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Birds of a feather…….
Hamas has not hit an Israeli school or killed her children either…
Like I said before:
Why would they (Hamas) want to harm the press…one of their best assets?
Moonshot – you need to look in the mirror. You killed those kids in the schoolyard. That’s right – Hamas banks on reactions like yours, so they use a schoolyard for a rocket-launching site. They know if innocents are killed, people like you will wail and cry without facing the reality of their evil. If you would face up to them instead, there would be no point in using children as shields. So man up, your attitude is killing children.
If only we had elected Obama, the world would have been healed, and all violence would be gone. Oh, wait… nevermind.
Really, the only thing you managed to do is display how much you don’t give a damn about any of it. How can you say you “care” about the children’s suffering in this, and not acknowledge the reasons for it. It’s like saying you “care” about people dying from a disease or from starvation, from the comfort of you own home, but not doing anything whatsoever to alleviate their suffering.
I am always amazed by people who say that they “care” about one issue or another, they may even support policies that are SUPPOSED to help other people, but when the ignorance and suffering continues because the ISSUES ARE NOT PROPERLY ADDRESSED, they can STILL say that they “care” more about it than the other guy.
Moonshot, your saying that you “care” about children on both sides is meaningless to me, because this is an issue of war, one side (Hamas) is purposefully victimizing children in order to further their cause (the destruction of Israel), and you refuse to acknowledge the true cause of the children’s suffering.
Indeed I do. I’m pretty sure that was clear when I said children on both sides.
The liberal fascist elites in the media and the US electorate reading this blog:
Why deprive the innocents of their “right” to be martyrs for Allah?
Anyone been to Gaza and seen how these “innocents” have been brainwashed by their families and their “leaders” to be martyrs for Islam?
Do you honestly believe the rank and file “palestinian” lets Hamas put military installations in their midst *against their will*? It is part of their religious fanaticism- become martyrs for Islam and Allah.
Israel will continue to kill its enemies because the liberal fascist kabal that runs the UN and all the other neo-Marxist NGOs around the world will side with the Jew Killing Moslems.
Kill or be killed. Playground “be nice” rules that govern the rhetorical ethics of liberal fascists do not apply to a nation’s survival. And survive the Israeli nation will.
The empty suit that the US elected President Elect has pledged to stand by Moslems if necessary.
If Moslems had pledged to kill you and your family- which they have already pledged to do in large numbers around the world-what would you do when they began to succeed? Trust a closet Moslem sick-o-phant to protect you?
Stop smokin that whacky tobacky and sober up. Moslems seek to conquer the world and they are succeeding.
Time to tame this scourge like it has been necessary to do in centuries past.
You’re not wrong at all.
Other-worldview holders like our latest clown poster assume things just “are”.
On the domestic economic front, they assume the economy just “is there”, and that goods and services are just “there”, without acknowledging, or even considering, the risks, rewards, effort, trial & error, etc that led to the functioning economy and the provision of goods and services.
On the social interaction front, they believe that everybody is innately “good”; and, unless ruined or stimulated by bad experience(s), will always act as a “good” person; and that all cultures/worldviews/lifestyles are equally “good”; who are we to judge, etc, etc…without acknowledging or considering the centuries of previous experience and history that led to a moral/good society.
These clowns have tunnel vision; and are what I call “present tense” people.
They know and/or care squat about history; value history even less than that, to the point of disdaining it; and care not a flying fig about the future.
Similarly, these idiots think that wars just “are”, without acknowledging/considering the preceding history.
And they never, for a moment, believe that one side might be good and the other evil, because those are foreign and unknown concepts to their adolescent, immature, warped minds/worldview.
Multiple choice? Does All Of The Above count?
Sympathies for the young but it is their friends and families putting them in harms way. I would imagine the Fires of Hell burn a little hotter for these Canaanites who sacrifice their children to a false idol.
But I do worry: will it be the United States that offers Seven Years of Peace?
On January 6th, 2009 at 3:43 pm, moonshot said:
On January 6th, 2009 at 3:23 pm, frostrt said:
Ladies and gentlemen: Moonshot just admitted to caring about Hamas killing Israeli children!
Indeed I do. I’m pretty sure that was clear when I said children on both sides.
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You did; however, the tone of your posts seemed to be “blame America/Israel” as well as “If you blame Hamas, then you don’t care about Palestinian children”.
Again, no one here ever said they “didn’t care” about civilian casualties, especially children, on either side. You made that assumption.
I did? hmm. Let me go inform my Israeli girlfriend of this so she can be disgusted with me for blaming her people for all this death. *eye roll*
I’ve had 7 friends killed by Muslim terrorists and another acquaintance killed by FARC. Frankly, I don’t care how many terrorist thugs the Israelis have to kill. They want to die anyway so if the IDF introduces them to Allah it is fine with me.
However, it is beyond despicable to hide in schools and mosques and hospitals and use those same places as ammo dumps and strong points. Of course, the MSM never points that out.
Call the Israeli Embassy and express your support at 202-364-5500 or get an email address at this page: http://www.israelemb.org/contact_us.html
I will NOT submit!
On January 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm, moonshot said:
On January 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, frostrt said:
I did? hmm. Let me go inform my Israeli girlfriend of this so she can be disgusted with me for blaming her people for all this death. *eye roll*
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I apologize if I misinterpreted anything you wrote. You say you visit sites on both sides of the aisle; I guess you must be an open-minded person.
And caring for children, whatever their race or religion, wherever they come from, is something we should all be able to agree on. You say you do not blame all this on Israel; I believe you.
Ah, the old reliable “some of my best friends are…” shield, favored by bigots, racists and anti-semites since roughly the dawn of time.
Do not feed the trolls.
Someone with an israeli girlfriend probably would have known what they were talking about.
Trolls are tasty. With bar-b-que sause.
On January 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm, moonshot said:
Uh-huh.
On January 6th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, sonofdy said:
Trolls are tasty. With bar-b-que sause.
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Taste like chicken?
I’m in!
Dont feed them ROFLMAO
I actually do the same as you guys and read other blogs out of nosiness.
I wouldn’t be caught dead posting on HuffPo and was being a smartypants comparing.
I don’t blame a single thing on Israel and support what they are doing…but I can still care about innocent children on both sides…and I don’t need to explain them away with political crap.
A Hamas rocket penetrated farther than ever before into Israel on Tuesday, landing in the town of Gadera, about 23 miles (36 kilometers) north of the Gaza border, the Israeli military said. On Monday, a rocket hit a kindergarten in Ashdod, about 16 miles (26 kilometers) north of Gaza.
Hamas had fired 30 rockets at Israel by Tuesday afternoon, the Israeli military said. Hamas spokesman Abu Obeida has warned Israel that the militants will continue rocket attacks “for many months” and vowed to strike deeper into Israeli territory.
Hamas fire rockets not caring where they land. Or, rather, only care that they kill Israelis regardless of age.
The IDF, much like the American military, take great pains to avoid civilian casualties.
Hamas deliberately create the conditions to ensure casualties of their own civilians.
Sick. They should be squashed like bugs.
On January 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, moonshot said:
I actually do the same as you guys and read other blogs out of nosiness.
I wouldn’t be caught dead posting on HuffPo and was being a smartypants comparing.
I don’t blame a single thing on Israel and support what they are doing…but I can still care about innocent children on both sides…and I don’t need to explain them away with political crap.
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Good to know about Huffpo
. And it’s true; one of the greatest evils of war is that ANY innocents have to get caught in the crossfire, especially children.
There are three big-time liberal “conventional wisdoms” (probably more) that they’ve used to advance their cause that are 100% fabrications:
1) Liberals (otherwise known as “the left”) advanced the Civil Rights Movement, and conservatives (otherwise known as “the right”) opposed it.
The Republican party in the 1950’s and ‘60’s had more to do with advancing civil rights legislation than did the Democrats, many, by the way, who actively attempted to stand in its way.
Truth be told, the left opposed Dr. Martin Luther King because he wasn’t radical enough (King was a registered Republican), while conservatives embraced him.
2) Fascism is a “right-wing” phenomenon, rather than a leftist-socialist one.
The term “Liberal Fascism”, by the way, wasn’t coined by Jonah Goldberg (who wrote the book about it), but H. G. Wells, a leftist-socialist author who embraced fascism’s supposed virtues, and hoped for what he called “enlightened Nazism.” The “right-wing” in America cares about personal freedom and liberty (our founding principles), while fascism cares only about the state, and how everything ought to be focused upon its perpetuation and advancement. Who then is a fascist, when “the right” cares about personal liberty and freedom, and “the left” cares about growing the Federal government so huge that it now controls every aspect of our daily lives?
3) That “Palestine” is a nation of people who deserve their own state, and that Israel ought to capitulate to all “Palestinian” demands.
The fact is that “Palestine” is a word derived from a HEBREW term meaning “invader” or “outsider” (plishtim–from whence we get the word “Philistine”). There never EVER have been such a people as “the Palestinians,” apart from what the Jews THEMSELVES referred to people who were attempting to invade and destroy their land. It is a term used solely to for the purpose of degrading and marginalizing Israel’s right to exist by people who wish to destroy Israel. If there is a government who has forbidden these people access to their own land, it is Jordan. They took what lands were partitioned for them after World War 2, and created the so-called “Palestinian refugee” crisis in the Middle East. Israel had nothing to do with it.
The left has been extremely successful in advancing their cause, because they have been able to secure these lying myths as fact, and have taught them to three generations of people world-wide. As long as these “conventional wisdoms” are allowed to be propagated, then liberalism (fascist slavery) will continue to flourish, and human freedom and dignity will continue to be assaulted.
In Britain, Prime Minister Gordon Brown called it “the darkest moment yet for the Middle East.”
This will get buried by the MSM.
yohannbiimu, great post! The democrats have been spinning their lies since their attempts to keep slavery alive.
Unfortunately, when you throw money at people, you can pretty much guarantee their vote. Which is why the majority of blacks vote democrat.
Here i go feeding trolls. ROFLMAO
Care. I care.
That sentiment is the real political crap. Liberal political crap. The seed of the nanny state.
I care. How exactly? Besides bloviating about people you have no connection with other than what is up in your own head.
That is political crap.
Bear1909 out.
On January 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, moonshot said:
Then your whole reason for making those posts was to prove that you care more than everyone else? Good for you. You care for the chillren on both sides. You’re such a good person.
Feel better now?
On January 6th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, bear1909 said:
Here i go feeding trolls. ROFLMAO
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Sometimes you just can’t help yourself; I obviously couldn’t.
Wow, talk about hyperbole. I guess that when Israel declared their independence in 1948, and the combined armies of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Lebanon moved in to destroy it (strategically, the Arabs had ALL of the advantages against the Israelis), that was just a spat compared to what’s going on right now.
People with NO historical knowledge and perspective will make ignorant statements like this.
nah, that is Christian crap as you call it. I used to only care about myself and no one else until I was saved. If that makes me a troll then so be it.
Israel will not rest until the Arab_Persian Moslem cartel is destroyed and left in ruins.
If the US had any nads it would help out by abandoning Saudi Arabia and microwave the entire sand pile. Cut off the head of the hydra.
Oh! but we are better than that. ROFLMAO BWA-KWOK!!!!
Bear1909
Wrongo! LMAO
Christianity doesn’t teach “caring”. It teaches LOVE thy Neighbor as thy self.
Strap on a pair and commit, Dude.
Care is for sissies. Like i said: Political crap.
Bear1909 out.
Please tell me how much Muslim terrorists care about “innocent” children. Four of my kids’ playmates and three of their parents were locked in their wooden apartment building while it was deliberately set on fire by Muslim terrorists! The four children and three adults, one of whom was pregnant, all perished in the flames. Yeah, these monsters “care” about “innocent people.”
Muslim terrorists don’t think ANY civilian is “innocent” and they will kill your kids and my kids and their own kids any time they like.
Israel is doing us and the world a favor and the Hamas thugs will drag down as many “innocent Arab civilians” as they can in the process and Israel will get the blame for yet another despicable act of Muslim terrorism!
Peace comes through superior firepower. I doubt Hamas will ever realize this but maybe some of those legendary “moderate” Arabs will figure it out and decide to get rid of Hamas on their own. Then they can have Peace with Israel. Until then, they will reap the rewards of electing the government they deserve!
On January 6th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, bear1909 said:
Israel will not rest until the Arab_Persian Moslem cartel is destroyed and left in ruins.
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And they shouldn’t.
And I am the troll today?
On January 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, moonshot said:
If you really cared you would go tell Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. to stop using their chillllren as human shields.
Do it in person.
In Gaza.
Go ahead.
Grab the first guy wearing a black skimask and the Hamas arm band and tell him that you just care so much, that he should lay down his arms before innocent children get hurt.
Go on.
No?
Declarations of your “caring” on this site about “both sides” is just cowardly and pathetic. You’re not fooling anyone.
On January 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm, moonshot said:
Bingo. At least until you go to Gaza and ask Hamas to stop using the children (you care so much about) to stop using them as human shields.
Some of you people are beyond silly. I love reading Michelle but I guess she can’t help who signs up to comment.
Try less emotional blackmail and more logic. Go on. I dare you.
I hope they don’t. I hope they keep doing what they’re doing, until the Hamas (and every other “Palestinian” terrorist) scum are brought to their collective knees, or sent to straight to hell. However, chances are they’ll be “convinced” to stop just prior to reaching their objectives, and things will continue on as they have for the past 60 or so years.
No doubt, the imbecile who “negotiates” the “peace settlement” will get the Nobel Peace Prize. Would anyone like to bet on who it will be?
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:05 pm, moonshot said:
So, now everyone who finds fault with your overflowing fountain of caring for the chillren (on both sides) is beyond silly?
What’s wrong with telling Hamas to stop using the chilllren (on both sides) as human shields?
I thought you cared so much about the chilllren (on both sides).
Explain yourself. Who and what exactly has been said by someone else that is “beyond silly” to you? A blanket statement like this only harms yourself, not anyone else.
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
Try less emotional blackmail and more logic. Go on. I dare you.
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“Emotional blackmail” is right; I see that now. I will not be guilt-tripped out of my convictions, or told I don’t care about the chhhiiillldddreennn when I know that isn’t true.
Trust me…there are others reading this and scratching their heads like I am. I’ll just move along now.
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:11 pm, yohannbiimu said:
Yeah, unfortunately, you’re probably right… the current Israeli government was installed by the Clintons & Carville… and they’ve acted like it! In fact I suspect they started this because Netanyahu was leading in the polls. Even so I hope Israel kicks butt.
My bet at the moment for the “nobel” winner: it’ll be the big O himself, with Hillary on his right arm.
In fact I bet he’s hoping that the fight will last until his inauguration so that he can swoop in and “save the day…”
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, moonshot said:
Who? You and Roseanne Barr?
The Israelis have got to finish the job once and for all. This is like Groundhog Day. Retake the West Bank and Gaza, and make the Jordanians responsible for the “palestinians”. Enough already.
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, moonshot said:
That’s right, move along now. Take your caring straight to Hamas, and let us know how that worked out for you.
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, FilmLadd said:
Who? You and Roseanne Barr?
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Ah, yes, I heard about Roseanne’s always astute analysis of the current situation. What a brilliant philosopher.
Sarc/
And you can take a wild guess at where you can take your uncaring straight to…
Where it belongs.
You aren’t just an idiot, you’re a cowardly idiot. You come here talking about “I’m sure when they (Hamas terrorists) meet Jesus, he’ll explain to them that’s what they get for being born in Palestine”, tell US we’re being “beyond silly,” and then won’t respond when confronted with your blanket statements?
Yes, folks (like you) won’t get it until you get your heads out of your hinds, so keep scratching–perhaps an particle of sense might work itself loose.
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:27 pm, moonshot said:
O
And you can take a wild guess at where you can take your uncaring straight to…
Where it belongs.
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I have to ask again; who among us has said we “don’t care” about civilian casualties, especially children? On what do you base that accusation?
Situations like this are exactly why the geneva convention specificaly forbids using protected sites (ie schools) for military operations. Hamas by using this school as a military base commited a clear war-crime. Liberal condemnation in 999,999,999,999,999 999,999,999,999,998 999,999,999,999,997 999,999,999,999,996 999,999,999,999,995…
This could take a while…
Here is the difference between Israeli children killed in war and and Palestinian children killed in war. Israeli children are killed by Palestinian terrorists who either target them directly, or indirectly with rockets that they cannot control. Palestinian children are killed by Israeli armed forces because Palestinian terrorists sit right next to the children, hoping that the Israelis will not fire or that if they do fire they can claim outrage at the children who are killed. Of course it would be great if no children were killed, but it seems logical that if the terrorists weren’t scared of fighting they would be as far away from their own children as possible. But to the terrorists it is a propaganda coup if their own chilren are killed in these strikes. One side is civilized (the Israelis), the other side is not (the Islamonazi Palestinians)!
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:27 pm, moonshot said:
Oh ho! I thought you cared about the chillren on both sides? Why sound angry all of sudden?
Why aren’t you taking your caring to the attention of Hamas? You care about their chilllren, right?
Surely you can swallow your pride over your fountain of caring long enough to go to Gaza and tell the first Hamas jihadist you find:
“Stop – in the name of caring!
Before you break my heart…”
(sung to “Stop in the Name of Love” by the Supremes)
Or is it that you know they’d cut your head off?
The simple fact is that Hamas doesn’t care about inflicting casualties on Arabs living in Gaza. And they actually want Israel to inflict more casualties. If Israel somehow managed to avoid killing civilians I believe Hamas would stage such attacks and blame the results on Israel. And the MSM would carry their water for them.
Hamas knows CIVILIZED people care about civilian deaths in war and they use that to divide us. Conservatives seem to get this and others do not. And these others then harp on “needless” deaths CAUSED by the IDF. Either leftist morons don’t realize this just causes more civilian deaths or they don’t care!
Yes, the loss of “innocent life” is deplorable. But, ultimately, Hamas enagages in practices that MAXIMIZE the loss of “innocent lives” mainly because they don’t believe there is such a thing as “innocent lives” and HAMAS believes all life is expendable as long as it advances their cause.
Spending an entire afternoon attacking a person who had the audacity to say they feel bad for both sides. And the only way I can care is if I go to speak to Hamas about their terrorist actions. Yeah, I think that sums it up pretty much.
I don’t feel sorry for hamas at all. I do feel sorry for thier human shields. But that doesn’t mean Israel should stop shooting back because I blame hamas for the palestinian deaths.
Moonshot,
What you evidently don’t get is that you feel bad about the deaths of the civilians. I feel bad about civilian deaths. The thugs of Hamas, who sit next to the innocent women and kids in a school and fire their weapons against IDF targets, DO NOT CARE IF FIRE IS RETURNED AND THESE WOMEN AND KIDS ARE KILLED. In fact, if they are killed by return fire, the Hamas thugs gain sympathy. These monsters believe they “win” some small battle every time a woman or child is killed by the IDF even though it was Hamas fire that caused the IDF return fire!
These terrorist thugs don’t look at life like you or me. They are NOT western. They did not experience the Enlightenment. They don’t believe we are created with “certain unalienable rights” like “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
You can and should feel bad when you see a dead woman or child. But these people don’t.
But, I don’t think it makes sense for anyone here to attack a person soley because they said they deplore the death of innocents on both sides.
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm, moonshot said:
Spending an entire afternoon attacking a person who had the audacity to say they feel bad for both sides. And the only way I can care is if I go to speak to Hamas about their terrorist actions. Yeah, I think that sums it up pretty much.
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Actually, your first post implied – in a rather harsh, sarcastic way I see now – that the rest of us don’t care about Palestinian children. Perhaps you felt attacked by some of us; that’s because WE felt attacked by your implication that we are uncaring about the innocent victims in this conflict.
On January 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm, moonshot said:
You haven’t even begun to sum it up.
Let’s get it straight.
There’s only reason I can think of that anyone would run around crying about “the children on both sides,” only one reason to cry about it WITHOUT addressing the role Hamas has played in placing those children in harm’s way in the first place.
Only one reason.
To weaken the will of those fighting the perpetrators.
You want to guilt the defenders of freedom, liberty, democracy, into stopping their fight. To errode their capacity to continue fighting.
Whether you mean to do it consciously (as a propagandist for the jihadists) or subconsciously (because you care oh so much, or have a problem with your parents, or are just a stupid collectivist liberal) is irrelevant.
The effect is the same, and it is evil.
Assuming your intent was solely to express concern for dead children on both sides of the conflict you might have worded it more appropriately. It is easy to see that comment as something else than the sentiments you say it represents.
My first post was frustration and being sick of the topic when everything I’ve been reading is one side only or the other.
Some people have bluntly stated that they don’t care. Others have attacked and assumed that if I care…then I must be with the terrorists. Some claim I must go to Gaza if I care. Good grief, not every one is so extreme.
So, this entire situation is basically an excuse for you to show how superior you are by claiming empathy for both sides?
Get over yourself, princess. This isn’t about you.
Maybe, just maybe, this topic is a little too “hot” to deal with in such a flip manner. I have learned that dead children is not a subject that is served well by flippant comments or sarcasm.
You would be a member of the Silly Brigade. Dude, lighten up.
Actually I should thank you for making me realize I am superior.
I can read Michelle and skip the comments from now on.
Moonshot,
At this point a reasonable person might apologize for posting an initial comment in such poor taste and then move on to another topic.
I bet everyone here would like to conclude that you are a reasonable person who simply exercised poor taste this afternoon.
Do you want to help us along toward that conclusion?
Well, I am beginning to suspect that Moonshot may not simply be a reasonable person who exercised poor taste this afternoon. What a shame.
On January 6th, 2009 at 6:11 pm, moonshot said:
Really. Let’s pretend it’s WWII and you’re running around saying “Gee, I feel sorry for all those Italian kids,” or “Gee, I feel sorry for the Nazi’s kids” or “Gee, I feel sorry for those poor Japanese kids.”
Let’s pretend you’re doing it in a bar filled with GI’s about to go overseas. The reaction at first would be, “sure, me too, I feel for those kids.”
But then you keep on doing it. Refusing to acknowledge that Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, or Imperial Japan had anything to do with the war starting. Maybe one of the G.I’s eventually says, “well, maybe Japan shouldn’t have bombed Pearl Harbor. Then their kids wouldn’t be in harm’s way!”
But all you do is respond, “I just feel for those poor children.”
Good luck getting out of that bar unharmed.
Dude.
On January 6th, 2009 at 6:18 pm, WarEagle82 said:
Yeppers… it’s someone trying to boost a meme, and getting frustrated that we’re not letting the meme stand..
FilmLadd,
That was a very good point and a good analogy.
The implication of such a comment in this situation could easily be taken as “Gee, I feel sorry for all those kids YOU ARE ABOUT TO KILL.” Maybe the person in question didn’t INTEND that but a reasonable person could infer such a meaning.
Exiting the bar would not be a problem. In fact, the speed of exit might be a major factor in the injuries received.
Well, now that Zawahiri has thrown open the gates and called for jihadis to attack both U.S. and Israeli holdings worldwide we might be seeing a bit more excitement in our own backyards.
Obambi-in the headlights- will be the first to throw Israel under that overcrowded bus. It simply doesn’t fit into his plans for utopia on earth and he as it’s leader. Whatever Israel does, it absolutely must be finished by the 19th. Come the 20th, they will be standing alone.
Well, Joe Biden predicted Obamessiah would be tested within his first six months in office. And Old Joe predicted that we wouldn’t think Obamessiah was doing such a great job with the crisis. I never thought Joe was too bright but he might be prescient, at least in this case.
And a pretty self-centered individual at that. (”People are dying, but the main thing is, *I* feel good about *me.*”)
Gee, I would have thought Julia Roberts had better things to do than post here.
I have instituted a personal “zero tolerance policy” against terrorist thugs, at least in my personal space.
I feel no sympathy for these islamo-fascists. If they bring a pox on their own house by their actions then it is ultimately there fault. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
“when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us”.
Golda Meir
No end in sight…………..
It is strange to see Hamas raise their children to be bombers, than cry when Israel attacks a place that fired first.
Anyone with a brain knows Hamas is a terrorists group, yet the world points the finger at Israel.
I hope Israel destroys every moon god worshiper in the Gaza strip holding a weapon.
When Gaza is Stripped of Moonies Israel can turn her attention to the West Bank.
And the Ishmaelites are still at war with the whole world be they true Arabs or grafted onto the thorn bush by submitting to mohammedanism.
The Christian Arabs are ours and the only ones I care about. With Barack Hussein, Allah be Praised, Obama in the White House it will not be well for Israel or the U.S. for awhile.
The thing is, if somebody else’s kids are being raised and indoctrinated to kill my kids, then it’s better that they should be killed before they have the chance.
*In my best movie director voice*
You are using logic when what we need is more emotion. Annnnnd action.
From organized, orchestrated chaos, to just plain old chaos. Of course, the situation for Gazan Palestinians was NEVER dangerous when the Hamas thugs had leadership present, right?
The only surprise is how long it took for that statement to be made.
Is that a promise or a threat?
Don’t tease us, now.
While you’re at it, you can take your ball, glove, and bat home; and you can hold your breath until….
CSPAN has the UN Gaza Strip cease-fire resolution discussion on live right now. Lots of talk of Israel’s “agression” and “hostility”.
This resolution was drafted by the Arab states and has gotten lots of support from other nations.
At this point, the Hamas friendly media has sucessfully painted Israel as the bad guy.
Moonshot,
Make very sure you read this before you post on this topic again. It explains a lot.
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP109206
Have the Isrealis ever been wrong? Or is it always the fault of the “others”?
Truly funny, that! I have never heard of a military engagement that was “submissive” and “friendly.” No wonder the UN’s military missions are referred to as “Peace Missions.” These clowns are willing idiots who have no clue.
On January 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
Have the Islamists ever been wrong? Or is it always the fault of the infidels?
don’t want to anger our arab friends, now do we??
NO. next question.
you mean the jew-hating arabs? those others??
or the jew-hating europeans, russians, left-wingers world wide…
ever notice its only the christians that don’t hate the jews…and then only the fundamentalist christians (those dread fundamentalists
) who do NOT hate the jews??
yeah there is…read Ezekiel 37-39….iran and russia are in for an UGLY surprise…
This is a clear violation of the Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC) Geneva Convention rules. Second, it has exposed the capabilities of Israel to detect the international terrorists-criminals. Whether this may turn international favor remains to be seen. It does expose them, once again to the the liars they are.