Heckuva job, Davy!

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 8, 2009 10:37 AM

The southern fence is still a Fence In Name Only.

The state of the borders is unsound.

Rank-and-file agents are in revolt.

Perfect time for George Shamnesty Bush to give a special bonus to the head of the Border Patrol.

Heckuva job, Davy. Via WT’s Jerry Seper:

The Bush administration has awarded a $61,200 bonus to Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar, whose agency has been criticized in the past year by Congress for delays in a $20 million fence project and for an accelerated hiring program that auditors said threatens to reduce qualified field supervisors.

The chief also has been criticized by his own rank and file for not supporting two agents sent to prison for shooting a drug smuggler in the buttocks as he fled back to Mexico, and greeted with a unanimous “no confidence” vote by the union representing non-supervisory agents.

The presidential merit award, equal to 35 percent of Chief Aguilar’s $172,000 annual pay, is 1.7 times larger than the base starting salary of $36,658 for a Border Patrol agent. The bonus has angered many field agents, some of whom told the chief in a terse, unsigned letter that the agency has been damaged and field agents jeopardized by his “politically expedient decisions.”

The letter, a copy which was obtained by The Washington Times, challenged Chief Aguilar’s job performance since his May 2004 appointment, saying there had “never been a time when our chief has been so out of touch with the field, or a time when our chief has become a politician and lost sight of his most important responsibility: to be an advocate for the agency and its mission.”

This is, of course, in keeping with the Bush tradition of rewarding incompetence , security-undermining negligence, and cronyism, and malpractice at DHS.

But you already knew that.

Some legacy.

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  1. #586262
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:42 am, MtsEdge said:

    Can Pres. Bush slap the American people in the face any more?

  2. #586273
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:46 am, madchef said:

    Tyranny and corruption at the highest levels of government.

  3. #586274
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:47 am, Socky said:

    The Bush administration has awarded a $61,200 bonus to Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar, whose agency has been criticized in the past year by Congress for delays in a $20 million fence project and for an accelerated hiring program that auditors said threatens to reduce qualified field supervisors.

    In other words, he carried out the agenda of the Bush administration precisely.

  4. #586277
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:49 am, JDinTX said:

    Everyone needs to flood the White House and Congress with calls, letters, faxes and e-mails to pardon our two border agents.

  5. #586281
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:50 am, Patronedheart said:

    Un-freakin-believable!
    Why do people in Washington constantly feel the need to celebrate incompetence while at the same time debasing those that actually contribute to our society?
    I feel like I’m living in an alternate universe these days.

  6. #586285
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:53 am, pueblo1032 said:

    I’m sad to say this, but GWB will best be remembered for his betrayal of the people who put him in office with his IMMIGRATION POLICY of the last term… This is a man who should be remembered for his accomplishments, instead I remember his FAILURE… To award dereliction of duty, incompetence and betrayal of his employees is one more thing to remember GWB for…

  7. #586287
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:54 am, Patronedheart said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:53 am, pueblo1032 said:
    I’m sad to say this, but GWB will best be remembered for his betrayal of the people who put him in office with his IMMIGRATION POLICY of the last term… This is a man who should be remembered for his accomplishments, instead I remember his FAILURE… To award dereliction of duty, incompetence and betrayal of his employees is one more thing to remember GWB for…

    At this point, pueblo, I’d like just to forget GWB altogether.

  8. #586290
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:57 am, Jeff2161 said:

    Napolitano, our soon to be, former Governor; Will be no better as Head of Homeland Security. Likely, even worse.

  9. #586294
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 am, Socky said:

    At this point, pueblo, I’d like just to forget GWB altogether.

    We all would, except for maybe Bill Grant.

  10. #586295
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 am, FamilyMan said:

    Repeat after me …….
    WE ARE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
    WE ARE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
    WE ARE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
    WE ARE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
    WE ARE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
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    WE ARE A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.

  11. #586304
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:07 am, tarpon said:

    Has anyone actually put ‘eyes on’ the supposed fence?

  12. #586308
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:10 am, steveegg said:

    OF COURSE Davy deserves a raise; he’s doing the job he was hired to do. Unfortunately for us, we weren’t the ones that did the hiring.

  13. #586309
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am, Socky said:

    I know Bush is shopping his memoirs. I wonder if he’ll even mention Ramos and Compean.

    I’ve given up on Bush doing the right thing. Someone should make the case to Obama that pardoning them would open up a lot of goodwill on the right.

  14. #586311
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am, steveegg said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:42 am, MtsEdge said:

    Can Pres. Bush slap the American people in the face any more?

    It’s not noon Eastern January 20th yet. Of course, that reminds me of an old saying; it’s always darkest just before it goes pitch black.

  15. #586312
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am, meatpieandtatters said:

    Another example of misplaced administrative priorities. FAIL!

  16. #586314
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:14 am, Flyoverman said:

    We all have to ignore the border that is never going to be fixed and just take care of things locally.

    Tougher to do, but still doable. All politics is local. Tip O’Neill got that one right. Forget the grand picture and keep your locale in order.

    It’s kind of like when air defense networks get knocked out. Ten it is up to each battery to conduct autonomous operations and defend their individual sectors on their own as best as they can.

  17. #586324
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:20 am, Socky said:

    At this point, the only way illegal immigration will end is if the supplier countries run out of people to send here.

  18. #586327
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:20 am, Cosmo said:

    Relax, people! With Pres. Hope McChange coming, this will all be resolved in a fair and equitable* manner.

    *Fair and equitable for all illegal immigrants

  19. #586331
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:24 am, thejim said:

    George is the reason we now have the “O” and the most arrogant Senate and House in our history. Thanks George. I don’t want to be a “Bush Basher” (like the “crazy left”) but he can’t be defended nor explained, he is a vast dissapointment.

  20. #586334
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:26 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    If you think Bush was bad (and yes, Bush was bad) wait til you see Obama and his lib allies running immigration, border security and customs.

    Every illegal who can enter the country and do same day voter registration and voting, swamping the ability of the system to detect fraudulent ballots among the real ballots, is a possible Obama voter.

    People like college trained European and Indian engineers and doctors, Filipina nurses, prospective immigrants that could actually contribute to this country will be more discriminated against than ever in favor of HIV positive homosexuals and illegal aliens who claim they have an uncle in Minnesota somewhere.

    I have a theory. A large segment of the GOP, especially the “country club Republicans”, like Bush and Kay Bailey Hutchison, favor illegals because they are cheap labor for business. Democrats, looking at the bigger picture, see increasing Democrat majorities.

    And both sides realize that the only way to keep the Ponzi scheme called Social Security from crashing Madoff style for an extra decade or two is to keep new payers coming into the system, and when half the country doesn’t want children because it would interfere with their lifestyle, including their right to uninterrupted sleep, well, amnesty would mean more taxpayers which might keep the final collapse of SSI from happening until all our current leaders are dead and don’t have to deal with the aftermath.

  21. #586339
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:30 am, JHSII said:

    For some reason Bush seems hell-bent on torpedoing his own presidency.

    I find myself in agreement with Tammy Bruce (again) – she gave credit for anything positive from the Bush Administration to Dick Cheney.

  22. #586345
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am, WisCon said:

    Go away and stay way W, you are a disaster.

  23. #586347
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On a micro scale (depending on how you look at it) isn’t he (Bush) fiddlin’ while Rome border burns?

  24. #586358
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Socky said:

    #19 Ed, In other words, things will be not much different than they were under Bush, and exactly the same as they would have been under McCain.

  25. #586363
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:45 am, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am, steveegg said:

    Never before have I dreaded what tomorrow will bring.

  26. #586381
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:52 am, maisy said:

    Bush rewarded him for doing exactly what Jorge wanted him to do..Stall,stall stall…until like those companies too big to fail…the number of illegal interlopers is too Big to deport! Get it? Everything rolling along as planned.

  27. #586385
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:52 am, cheapseat said:

    you would think that those compassionate democrats now in congress and soon in the white house would be trying to put AMERICANS back to work with these new programs, thereby recouping tax money, but if history is any guide, it will be same old-same old which increases the fund transfers to other nations, which lowers our dollar value and increases our deficit. if one assumes we have 500,000 military troops on foriegn soil at any one time, and each one recieves $1000 per month, which is basically privates pay, that is 5billion per month flowing from the u.s. treasury to some country’s treasury every month. that is only paychecks spent on wine women and song.

  28. #586388
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:45 am, MtsEdge said:
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am, steveegg said:
    Never before have I dreaded what tomorrow will bring.

    (shudder) I think we will all get a collective chill up our blains!

  29. #586398
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:58 am, lgm said:

    OK, they couldn’t build a fence. It’s pretty clear they didn’t want to. Look at the large picture of 8 years of conservative government (most of them with conservatives controlling the house and senate):

    UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
    Then: 4.2% (Bureau of Labor Statistics, January 2001)
    Now: 6.7% (Bureau of Labor Statistics, November 2008)

    DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE
    Then: 10,587 (close of Friday, Jan. 19, 2001)
    Now: 9,015 (close of Tuesday, Jan. 6, 2009)

    SATISFIED WITH THE NATION’S DIRECTION
    Then: 45% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
    Now: 26% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)

    CONSUMER CONFIDENCE (1985=100)
    Then: 115.7 (Conference Board, January 2001)
    Now: 38.0, which is an all-time low (Conference Board, December 2008)

    FAMILIES LIVING IN POVERTY
    Then: 6.4 million (Census numbers for 2000)
    Now: 7.6 million (Census numbers for 2007 — most recent numbers available)

    AMERICANS WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE
    Then: 39.8 million (Census numbers for 2000)
    Now: 45.7 million (Census numbers for 2007 — most recent available)

    U.S. BUDGET
    Then: +236.2 billion (2000, Congressional Budget Office)
    Now: -$1.2 trillion (projected figure for 2009, Congressional Budget Office)

    You guys like to say that Bush is not a conservative. Maybe not. But he’s the one conservatives chose, fed, enabled, flacked for, and abetted all this time. It’s time for conservatives to take some responsibility for where they took the country.

  30. #586408
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, walterc said:

    steveegg said:

    It’s not noon Eastern January 20th yet. Of course, that reminds me of an old saying; it’s always darkest just before it goes pitch black.

    And sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.

    Other than protecting us from terrorist attack, GW has been a disaster. Unfortunatley, compared to the other choices in 2000 and 2004, this was the best we could do.

    Thanks GOP for giving us such a great standard bearer. /sarc

  31. #586410
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Stubby said:

    Am I living in a nightmare? How is it possible that every day gets worse in this country? Who’s grand design is it to overrun our country with illegals, giving them favored status and distributing financial support as well?

    Is it too difficult to build the promised fence? Why do sanctuary cities continue to exist? Why do I have to cough up cash and proof of insurance at the emergency room while surrounded by non-English speaking free-loaders and their l’enfants?

    Sadly, Compean and Ramos have been cast aside by Bush while he plans a breakfast meeting with Juan Hernandez and Dave Aguilar for menudo and tortillas.

    I am convinced there is no more GOP. We are doomed to fend for ourselves and for that we are called racists.

  32. #586414
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    And both sides realize that the only way to keep the Ponzi scheme called Social Security from crashing Madoff style for an extra decade or two is to keep new payers coming into the system, and when half the country doesn’t want children because it would interfere with their lifestyle, including their right to uninterrupted sleep, well, amnesty would mean more taxpayers which might keep the final collapse of SSI from happening until all our current leaders are dead and don’t have to deal with the aftermath.

    There is the reason for continued mass immigration policies (legal and illegal) in the US and Europe. PC also plays a role. But the SS ponzi scheme depends on an ever expanding population to ensure there are enough workers to cover the retiress. Each successive generation requires an absolute increase in the nubmer of workers to support SS. It is a short sided policy that will necessarily end one way or another. Current US population projections put the US approaching 500M by mid century and approaching 1B by end of the century at current immigration levels. I just don’t see how that is good for the country in any way, except it ensures SS treads water, maybe. Also absent is the qulity of those immigrants which has been deemed irrelevant by the gov’t. Educated, skilled, and motivated workers to drive productivity vs. uneducated, unskilled peasants who end up subsidized by the gov’t.

  33. #586423
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, MtsEdge said:

    It’s time for conservatives to take some responsibility for where they took the country.

    You keep confusing Republicans with conservatives.

  34. #586428
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, Cosmo said:

    lgm: “conservatives” didn’t take this country where it is today. Wolves in conservative clothing or “least-painful alternatives” did.

    The non-sensical two-party system has created this: It was Bush v. Gore; Bush v. Kerry. Then McCain v. Obama.

    What we got each time was the lesser of two evils (or weevils, to channel Russell Crowe). Since we’re a year into what should be (historically) a less-than two year recession, then we’ll see how long it is prolonged by the socialist proposals offered by PE Hope McChange.

    Talk to me in a year. One of us will be eating crow. I certainly hope for all our sakes, that it’s me.

    As for “living in poverty” above: what is poverty? Go to Mumbai and you’ll see it. THAT sort of poverty only exists on Alameda in LA. Two TVs, a car and more than one change of clothes is NOT poverty by the world’s standard. Only by our arrogant American standard. 99.9%* of Americans have no idea what REAL poverty is. So I GUFFAW at the Census Bureau telling me who or how many people are “poor.”

    *72% of statistics are made up on the spot.

  35. #586430
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, JHSII said:

    I hate to be the one to break the news to lgm, but we hadn’t had 8 years of Conservative government – especially with people like McCain in a leadership position in the Senate. The Conservatives haven’t controlled anything since the Republican party decided to cave to the democrats and play “democrat lite”.

    A Conservative Congress would have done to the democrats what the democrats are now doing to the republicans and they would still be in power.

  36. #586433
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, brad_sk said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Weary Citizen said: at 32

    Current US population projections put the US approaching 500M by mid century …

    Is 500M bad…?I mean check out states like Wyoming or Dakotas or western Nebraka…If we can somehow channel more new immigrants to such area, then I think its good for us. Those states are very empty and not much development and not super rich in natural resources in most of the areas. Just my humble opinion….Not that illegal immigration is good but if theres no choice then why not into those states?

    Also absent is the qulity of those immigrants which has been deemed irrelevant by the gov’t. Educated, skilled, and motivated workers to drive productivity vs. uneducated, unskilled peasants who end up subsidized by the gov’t.

    Very true…but legal immigration topic almost always gets buried in the wave of illegal immigrants/topic and hence nobody considers this true aspect.

  37. #586446
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pm, brad_sk said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Stubby said: at 31
    Sadly, Compean and Ramos have been cast aside by Bush while he plans a breakfast meeting with Juan Hernandez and Dave Aguilar for menudo and tortillas.

    C’mon, tortiallas are good…especially with spicy add-ons:)..

  38. #586450
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, Cosmo said:

    GREAT POST!!! The poverty thing gets to me. With open borders allowing M’s of uneducated illegals to enter and a legal immgration policy aimed at diversity and family reunification, the “war on poverty” is a joke. How can poverty levels ever decrease when we import them faster than we can get them out the poverty count? Typical lib thinking. Bail water rather than fix the holes.

  39. #586463
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm, Socky said:

    Is 500M bad…?

    Yeah, let’s become India.

  40. #586471
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, brad_sk said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm, Socky said: at 39

    Is 500M bad…?

    Yeah, let’s become India.

    No…India is already 1 Billion and their area is 1/3rd of US..So even on any aggressive estimate of US becoming 1B by the end of century we are still in much better shape.

  41. #586478
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pm, thirteen28 said:

    That’s W for you – making sure those that keep the borders open and undefended are rewarded while making sure those that actually attempt to defend them are punished.

    Actions speak louder than words, and W’s actions indicate that he is squarely against American sovereignty.

  42. #586497
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, Mister P said:

    Thanks to Michelle and the conservative blogs we get the truth. Bush does what politicians always do, now we KNOW about it.

    I don’t know where he ranks among Presidents, but he gets a grade of F in my book. I won’t miss him for a second.

  43. #586503
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, brad_sk said:

    Is 500M bad…?

    Is it good? I don’t think so. That is 2/3 increase in population in 50 years. Natural resources are already restrained in many areas. Water especially in western states. Pollution, congestion, and crowding will obviously increase. I happen to like to see wide open spaces. It is one of the things foreigners still awe over. Loss of habitat as each new person requires around 10+ acres for new roads, agriculture production, and buildings (shopping, schools, etc). China has 1B people and a larger land mass and look at that hell hole. No country grows its populations to such an extent and not experienced a reduced quality of life. There are so many examples of population saturation being a bad thing, never good. As for the uninhabited areas. There are also no jobs there. All immigrants will head to population centers where the jobs are. Unless we want to provide welfare to stay in “Wyoming”. Plus consider the culture shock to both immigrants and the current residents in those areas. How woudl you like 50K Somali’s moved into your 10K resident community, courtesy of Uncle Sam?

    Now, I might agree 500M is ok if we had a population growth strategy that determined immigration levels based on the organic population growth first (ie non immigrant growth rates). The current system is grow grow grow with no forethought as to “what is a target level”. When do we stop? 1B? 2B? 5B? There must be some end point.

    Very true…but legal immigration topic almost always gets buried in the wave of illegal immigrants/topic and hence nobody considers this true aspect.

    Well, I was aiming that comment at legal immigration. The majority of legal immigrants today are due to “reunification” policies. This policy considers only the family ties, not the skills/education/etc of the immigrant. Many will end up being a drain on the system. What about he Visa Lottery? 50K chosen at random. What about “preferred” immigrant nations? Of course it excludes every 1st world country. All I want are some minimum standards to apply. We are not getting hte best and brightest on the whole. They are the exceptions today.

  44. #586504
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm, Mister P said:

    OK, they couldn’t build a fence. It’s pretty clear they didn’t want to. Look at the large picture of 8 years of conservative government (most of them with conservatives controlling the house and senate):

    This is the criminality of using stats to prove some nebelous point. Those last two years were dominated by liberals in the house and senate. Those NUMBERS are the result of these last two years. So LGM if you have an ounce of honesty, you will put down the numbers as of the end of 2006.

    Secondly most conservatives I know do not confuse Bush with conservative.

  45. #586508
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, Socky said:

    I think what brad_sk is saying is that our schools are not overcrowded enough, our health care systems are not yet completely broken, and, goshdarnit, there just isn’t enough urban sprawl. Bring on 500 million… or a billion… what the hell.

  46. #586512
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, Socky said:

    Secondly most conservatives I know do not confuse Bush with conservative.

    You got that right. Bush is “conservative” the way Sarah Jessica Parker is “attractive.”

  47. #586517
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, Cosmo said:

    lgm and others (on both sides) simply practice Huffian Statistical Theory.

    I especially like the Dow stat…”down” over the past six months. At an all-time record during the middle of Bush’s presidency–even after 9/11.

    Oil isn’t mentioned, either. All-time high last summer…major low currently.

    Darrell Huff would be proud! Apt pupil!

  48. #586521
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pm, thirteen28 said:

    So LGM if you have an ounce of honesty, you will put down the numbers as of the end of 2006.

    Don’t hold your breath.

  49. #586531
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm, lgm said:

    MtsEdge said (#33):

    It’s time for conservatives to take some responsibility for where they took the country.

    You keep confusing Republicans with conservatives.

    There is some truth to this, but there is truth in the other side as well. Look back at the record: Bush was the choice of conservatives in 2000, even though Krugman was pointing out that his budget figures were incompetent lies. Conservatives chose him despite the fact that he was obviously a creep. Look back at Counter, Kristol, Limbaugh, … (any conservative). They were comparing Bush to Churchill and Lincoln.

    They were either lying or stupid then. Don’t you think they should be discredited along with the guy they enabled? They were not the drunk drivers, but they put the drunk driver in the car.

  50. #586538
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm, MBuck said:

    brad_sk said:
    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Weary Citizen said: at 32
    Current US population projections put the US approaching 500M by mid century …
    Is 500M bad…?I mean check out states like Wyoming or Dakotas or western Nebraka…If we can somehow channel more new immigrants to such area, then I think its good for us. Those states are very empty and not much development and not super rich in natural resources in most of the areas. Just my humble opinion….Not that illegal immigration is good but if theres no choice then why not into those states?

    Heeyyyy….
    Forced busing….

    I think I just felt a tingle up my leg….

  51. #586546
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    brad_sk wrote

    ..So even on any aggressive estimate of US becoming 1B by the end of century we are still in much better shape.

    What you say is true. But the real question is, will be better off than we are TODAY? If not, then why do it? If so how?

  52. #586554
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pm, brad_sk said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, Socky said:

    I think what brad_sk is saying is that our schools are not overcrowded enough, our health care systems are not yet completely broken, and, goshdarnit, there just isn’t enough urban sprawl. Bring on 500 million… or a billion… what the hell.

    Nope…what I am saying is if illegal immigration is unavoidable, then lets have the illegals work in super empty states where there more people moving out (especially educated college kids of ranching parents) than coming in & work in harsh conditions (Dakotas, Wyoming…hello?). Regarding schools, we need to build more and not crowd into existing ones.

    Yes, open space is good – but there will still be lot of open space in those state even with population increase. Heck if theres more oil in the cold barren lands of Dakotas, why not have illegals work there? Of course only if not many Americans are ready to work in such places.

  53. #586560
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pm, McCloud9 said:

    Throwing the DOG A BONE!!!
    And he knows how to roll over too.
    I wonder what Sutton got for a reward?
    EVERY Politician should be required to take a Lie Detector Test!!!
    If they fail… STRAIGHT TO PRISON!
    No appeals,No “But he made me say it”…Romos and Compean would agree with me I’m sure.

  54. #586568
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pm, McCloud9 said:

    BRAD_SK… I LIVE IN SOUTH DAKOTA!!!! And WE DO NOT WANT THEM HERE… NONE OF THEM (legal English Speaking is OK).
    Otherwise, KEEP THEM IN CALIFORNIA!!!

  55. #586577
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm, Cosmo said:

    McCloud9: Why the crap do you think I left California in ‘06? Even in my “enclave” (read: community with laws which were enforced) we had our share of problems (property values, oddly, wasn’t one of them).

    All we needed was a hospital to be placed within our city limits so we didn’t have to go to the crapholes where hospitals were located and wait for ten hours with a broken limb because illegals were using the ER as their primary care facility.

  56. #586589
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm, Socky said:

    I stand corrected. brad_sk was talking about forced relocation of undesirable minorities to places white people don’t want to live.

    Sounds vaguely familiar.

  57. #586597
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, Wade said:

    Good Grief. 12 more days for Boosh to FU.

  58. #586599
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pm, PhredE said:

    “Is 500M bad…?I mean check out states like Wyoming or Dakotas or western Nebraka…If we can somehow channel more new immigrants to such area, then I think its good for us. Those states are very empty and not much development and not super rich in natural resources in most of the areas. Just my humble opinion….Not that illegal immigration is good but if theres no choice then why not into those states?”

    Although I have heard this line of reasoning on this topic numerous times before, it is not based in any population demographic trends nor population geography that I know.

    If you look at current growth areas and corresponding growth rates, you’ll quickly discover that the areas where population is increasing most rapidly tend to be areas where there are already high densities of people. Further, there is already a strong and well-understood tendency of the movement of rural to urban. So, you’ll see the largest population growth taking place in places like Florida, California, Georgia etc.- and especially in the large cities of those states. While the idea of infilling those sparsely populated rural areas might sound good, in practice, it just isn’t happening and probably won’t – anytime soon…

    That line of reasoning (above) is made by Open Borders and Illegal Alien advocates and is not based in any current objective analysis of population trends in the US at the present time.

    More people (adding more bodies) almost always equates to greater congestion, pollution, and degrading quality of life for the ALREADY densely populated urban areas – with an ever-increasing layer of suburban sprawl to boot.

  59. #586606
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm, lgm said:
    MtsEdge said (#33):

    It’s time for conservatives to take some responsibility for where they took the country.
    You keep confusing Republicans with conservatives.
    There is some truth to this, but there is truth in the other side as well. Look back at the record: Bush was the choice of conservatives in 2000

    lgm, not so fast. There were concerns about his ideology even in 2000. Look @ the April 15, 2000 NY Times article re his considering a pro-abortion running mate, this article recapping the political mood after 2 terms of Clinton and fear of a Gore term. He has made many missteps along the way, and those of us who voted for him have continued to support him for the conservative principles that he upheld–but that support has been stretched mighty thin these days.

    Saying he was the conservatives’ choice implies that he was hands-down ushered into office. In fact, he may have been more of a LOTE @ in 2000, since Gore was the most likely alternative. Bush Sr. lost to Clinton by being a lib in conservatives’ clothing.

    BTW, it’s funny how libs like to point to WJC’s “high” approval ratings after he left office, yet his VP didn’t get the nod for the next term.

  60. #586610
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, PhredE said:

    “Is 500M bad…?

    Short answer: Yes.

  61. #586626
    On January 8th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Ok, Sarah Jessica Parker has hit every tree running through the ugly forest, but from the neck down she isn’t bad.

  62. #586642
    On January 8th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    I have a bonus for Davy – unfortunately, I may have some problems walking if it’s too difficult to get my foot out of his @$$.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  63. #586653
    On January 8th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, Mister P said:

    I would say the economy tanked ONLY after the Pelosi and Reid took over the Congress. I would blame them for the SEVERE recession.

  64. #586667
    On January 8th, 2009 at 2:54 pm, maisy said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090108/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_france_new_capitalism

    check out the DRUDGE caption….
    .New World Order..then start sneering as Bush fulfills that very agenda

  65. #586690
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pm, tomshup said:

    McCloud: I agree with every comment you made. You took the words right out of my mouth and then some! Well done!
    I’m encouraged by most of the comments as it proves there are still some real conservatives left in this country. We better try to instruct our kids and grandkids what conservatism really means.

  66. #586693
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, MarkD said:

    A $61,000 bonus is enough to confirm that Bush is no conservative, fiscal or otherwise.

    If the guy walked on water, it would still be obscene with what’s going on in this economy. Why does Bush have the authority to pass out our money like it was candy?

    Conservativism is the answer, not the problem. Take the money out of DC, and the rats would leave.

  67. #586699
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:37 pm, Solo said:

    How woudl you like 50K Somali’s moved into your 10K resident community, courtesy of Uncle Sam?

    Good question, good luck getting an honest answer from the PC crowd.

    I would love it if the press would ask Bush, McClandslide, Obama, and the rest of the pc crowd two questions.

    Do you support legislation to create a path to citizenship for people living here illegally?

    If so, would you still support said legislation if that path led MS-13 and other 3rd world criminals to your front door?

    I know it will never happen but I can dream, can’t I?

  68. #586722
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:53 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:37 pm, Solo said:

    Yep!!! Most of the open borders crowd (at least those with no vested interest in cheap labor or ethnic greivance groups) are the classic NIMBY folks (NOT IN MY BACK YARD). “Build the low income housing in Joe’s neighborhood, not mine”. “Ah, we must help those poor Somali refugees with assylum here. But don’t move them to my community. Put them in that powerless rural community over there.” I am sick of the hypocracy from all libs frankly.

  69. #586745
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, Cosmo said:

    Most of the pro-illegal crowd (liberals for votes, others for cheap labor) never go to the neighborhoods where illegals live save to purchase illicit drugs or if they inadvertently get off the 110 freeway in South Gate or the 710 in Compton.

    NIMBY is an absolutely correct portraiture of these fools. Forget “Day without a Mexican.” I’ll take “Life Without an Illegal.” You’re welcome to come to MY country if you follow the rules to get here. You’re welcome to legislate in MY country if you follow the laws that are on the books now.

    Unfortunately, this country is full of people who do neither.

  70. #586749
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:11 pm, Cosmo said:

    “I do not lift my voice against the great and glorious Government guaranteed to every citizen by the Constitution, but against those corrupt administrators who trample the Constitution and just laws under their feet.”

    That wonderful piece of wisdom courtesy of 19th-century LDS Church leader Brigham Young. It’s as relevant today in this struggle as it was for he and his followers then.

  71. #586750
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:11 pm, graysonret said:

    I ought to give up my medical career and go to work for the U.S. government. It would be nice to sleep on my desk and get bonuses for incompetence, wait 20 years, then double-dip my naps.

  72. #586947
    On January 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm, brad_sk said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:37 pm, Solo said:

    How woudl you like 50K Somali’s moved into your 10K resident community, courtesy of Uncle Sam?

    I am fine with that if my community can provide space/utilities for so much. I know that my community can easily sustain 1K Soamlis which I am definitely fine with. Please don’t just throw some straw man arguments…Argue with real practical numbers.

  73. #587176
    On January 9th, 2009 at 8:20 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.

    And drug dealers deal.
    Damn Mr. Bush. Damn John McCain.

  74. #587401
    On January 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm, brad_sk said:

    You are a lot more tolerant than I am then. Even at 1K into a town of 10K would most likely lead to: 1) higher crime 2)many new “affordable housing” projects since most will probably be unskilled and don’t speak English while living on welfare 3) most are muslim so hello to new mosques 4) property values will most likely decline as most people will not voluntarily choose to move with the above issues prevalent etc….. I assume this because there has been several reports about this same scenario in Tennessee (if I remember correctly) where Somali refugees were put. But same could be said of Detroit (high muslim population). Culture clashes always follow. I may be wrong but ther eis the risk I am right. So why take that risk when there is nothing to gain for my family from it.

    But as for “practical” scenario, I would like you to respond to my question above. Reposted here for convenience.

    brad_sk wrote

    ..So even on any aggressive estimate of US becoming 1B by the end of century we are still in much better shape.

    I asked:

    What you say is true. But the real question is, will be better off than we are TODAY? If not, then why do it? If so how?

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