Richard Viguerie responds to McCain’s new PAC

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 8, 2009 03:47 PM

Here’s the perfect, all-in-one rejoinder to John McCain’s shameless money-grubbing solicitation of the conservatives he snubbed throughout his career and presidential campaign.

From conservative stalwart Richard Viguerie:

Commenting on the new organization, ConservativeHQ.com Chairman Richard Viguerie stated, “I’m not sure what Senator McCain is referring to when he talks about ‘Republican ideals’ but if it’s along the lines of McCain-Feingold, amnesty for Illegal immigrants, carbon caps, ‘gun show loopholes’ or trillion-dollar Wall Street bailouts, I think he meant to say ‘Big Government ideals’.”

All that was missing was a snarky my friend at the end.

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  1. #586715
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, Jeddite said:

    Who has the “OMG ALL MICHELLE DOES IS TEAR DOWN SENATOR McCAIN GRRRRR” rabies today, I wonder?

  2. #586719
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:51 pm, Jeddite said:

    On a mostly unrelated note, after the 2008 election, the bailout mania, and other trangressions, I’ve been seriously considering making the change to a registered Independent. Officially, that is.

  3. #586720
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pm, love2rumba said:

    Senator McCain has his critcism coming. grow up.

  4. #586723
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:53 pm, JHSII said:

    Exactly. The only time McCain reaches out to Conservatives is when he wants money to push his agree-with-the-liberals agenda.

  5. #586726
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:53 pm, JHSII said:
    Exactly. The only time McCain reaches out to Conservatives is when he wants money to push his agree-with-the-liberals agenda.

    He probably coined the phrase “The Stupid Party”. He didn’t realize he was talking about himself.

  6. #586727
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    He forgot McCain-Kennedy and the Gang of 14.

    Is 4 years enough time to constitute a viable Conservative Party?

  7. #586729
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, Jeddite said:

    Who has the “OMG ALL MICHELLE DOES IS TEAR DOWN SENATOR McCAIN GRRRRR” rabies today, I wonder?

    ME! ME!
    Richard Viguerie does not seem to be overly impressed by the Senator’s maverickness, does he?

    My Friends, let me put it this way: Johnny Mac, please shut up.

  8. #586730
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, MTConservative said:

    McCain can go back to being the media’s “Maverick” (whatever that is), now that the election is over. Yeesh! He makes me almost ashamed to be a Republican.

  9. #586732
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, chapoutier said:

    Who has the “OMG ALL MICHELLE DOES IS TEAR DOWN SENATOR McCAIN GRRRRR” rabies today, I wonder?

    Did you know Michelle Malkin is personally responsible for getting Obama into office?

    True fact.

  10. #586734
    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, Jeddite said:

    “Don’t blame me – I voted for Sarah Palin”

    (it’s true, y’know)

  11. #586736
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, Jeddite said:

    ditto here

  12. #586740
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, Bill Grant said:

    Boy, I guess we dodged a bullet by electing Obama… Huh? We sure showed him.

  13. #586743
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, Jeddite said:

    If McCain had wanted to defeat Obama, he would have.

  14. #586744
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I almost choked when I saw McCain’s reference to “Republican Ideals.” What does John “RINO” McCain know about Republican Ideals?” I didn’t vote for the man and I told him so several times during the campaign. I am certainly NOT going to give him my money so he can foist “comprehensive immigration reform” on MY DIME!

    The GOP doesn’t get it and they never will.

  15. #586746
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I think he meant to say ‘Big Government ideals’.

    hammer/nail

    Hey Chap. I watched “Rednack Zombies” last night and now I have no brain. I guess that makes me a liberal now? :lol:

  16. #586747
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, Jeddite said:

    In the three~ months she was on the ticket, Sarah Palin campaigned harder and more charismatically for John McCain than John McCain campaigned for John McCain in the agonizing ~two year run-up to the primary.

  17. #586751
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, chapoutier said:

    Did you know Michelle Malkin is personally responsible for getting Obama into office?

    True fact.

    See Michelle! The ticket should have been Malkin/Jindal 08.

  18. #586752
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, Bill Grant said:
    Boy, I guess we dodged a bullet by electing Obama… Huh? We sure showed him.

    #13On January 8th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, Jeddite said:
    If McCain had wanted to defeat Obama, he would have.

    Jeddite, Bill doesn’t/won’t get this. It’s pointless to argue w/him.

  19. #586754
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hey Chap. I watched “Rednack Zombies” last night and now I have no brain. I guess that makes me a liberal now?

    Your Liberal Introductory Kit is in the mail. Ask Aloha about his.

  20. #586757
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Thank you for your service to our country John, but it’s time for you to step aside.

  21. #586761
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, Jeddite said:

    Jeddite, Bill doesn’t/won’t get this. It’s pointless to argue w/him.

    I prefer to egg a mad dog on. Trolly-troll-troll-trollin’.

  22. #586763
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, b4lucy said:

    Term Limits is the only answer to these clueless Senatards….

  23. #586764
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, Jeddite said:

    Have fun!! :)

  24. #586768
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, DanMan said:

    Must admit without Palin on the ticket I probably wouldn’t have bothered to vote for him. On my biggest issues I could not tell McCain from Obama. He at least seemed to track correctly on earmarks I suppose. And I think he truly believes his way is good for America, but I did not agree with most of that. I’ll certainly not consider sending him any money for sure because I grew weary of the constant back stabbing.

  25. #586770
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, chapoutier said:

    Your Liberal Introductory Kit is in the mail. Ask Aloha about his.

    Are the instructions in English? I know, being a liberal now, I have to learn Spanish! ;)

  26. #586772
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
    I think he meant to say ‘Big Government ideals’.
    hammer/nail

    Hey Chap. I watched “Rednack Zombies” last night and now I have no brain. I guess that makes me a liberal now?

    Don’t waste the opportunity! Change your name to Schlockburg and run for Senator! You know?

  27. #586776
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:32 pm, lottadawg said:

    I notice Senator John called for a non-partisan organization. It’s been my experience when you have to say its non-partisan then it isn’t. It usually means Republican gives in to Liberal. Cause everyone knows liberals do not reach across the isle.
    Thats only one reason I remain a conservative. RABID DAWG.

  28. #586781
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, no2pcbs1 said:

    the maverick is at it again. “maverick” another word for lacking political courage.

  29. #586782
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, Bill Grant said:

    Jeddite, Bill doesn’t/won’t get this. It’s pointless to argue w/him.

    Indeed. I don’t get how the country is better off with Obama as president. I think “conservatives” who believe that it is are morons. It is probably pointless to try to persuade me otherwise.

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I almost choked when I saw McCain’s reference to “Republican Ideals.” What does John “RINO” McCain know about Republican Ideals?”

    Anything more ironic than someone who voted for the truther party to be calling anyone else a RINO?

  30. #586787
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, rplatt said:

    I love John McCain for his courageous and selfless Service to his country, but for God’s sake John, get out of politics before you screw up something else.

  31. #586794
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, Paul Revere said:

    Maybe all of them “god’s children” can give him some pesos.

  32. #586795
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, granite said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:32 pm, lottadawg said:

    …when you have to say its non-partisan then it isn’t. It usually always means Republican gives in to Liberal. Cause everyone knows liberals do not reach across the isle.

    You’re right.
    Just tweaked that a bit.
    In dealing with socialists, you have to remember their sense of “nonpartisan”, “bipartisan”, “reaching across…”, blah, blah, blah,…is a combination of “Heads I win, tails you lose;” and “What’s yours is mine, and what’s mine is negotiable.”

  33. #586797
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, 24Klady said:

    And his little memo to us lowly ones to send more bucks never once said what it was really going to fund. No matter, if he thinks he’s going to be the spokesman for the Republican Party he may have way overestimated his popularity meter.

  34. #586798
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Your Liberal Introductory Kit is in the mail. Ask Aloha about his.

    It came all right but was missing the Chateau Petrus. I almost didn’t recognize it though, since it had that huge picture of McCain on it.

  35. #586800
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pm, Laree said:

    Did Collin Powell suggest John McCain do this? Collin Powell’s kind of Republican..is well Barack Obama.

  36. #586801
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, TomB said:

    John McCain, you have served this country with great distinction. You had the opportunity to do much more, but few can claim to have accomplished their every goal and there is no shame in falling short against overwhelming odds. Thank you sir, you have earned a comfortable retirement. Feel free to start it whenever you feel ready. Your relief is waiting for you to depart the cockpit.

  37. #586808
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:57 pm, Dandapani said:

    No money to McCain. No money to the NRCC. No money to any RINOs.

  38. #586809
    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:57 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    It came all right but was missing the Chateau Petrus. I almost didn’t recognize it though, since it had that huge picture of McCain on it.

    Thanks for the heads up – look for a McCain picture. I still need to know if I have to learn Spanish or can I keep the illegal immigrant I hired when I was a former conservative.

  39. #586822
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, right_on said:

    Perhaps McCain should take the lead from the Obama Campaign, take the safe-guards off of the contribution website, and solicit money from foreign sources?

    What will the new Obama Administration do, open up a can of worms and cut their own throats?

    Any American conservative stupid enough to contribute to this sham of a “grass-roots” organization, deserves to lose their money.

    Q: What’s the difference between a toilet, and this McCain “opportunity?”

    A: The hole is smaller, and it smells better!

  40. #586832
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm, chapoutier said:

    Thanks for the heads up – look for a McCain picture. I still need to know if I have to learn Spanish or can I keep the illegal immigrant I hired when I was a former conservative.

    The instruction manual is written in Spanish, Ebonics and Farsi. However, if you don’t speak either of those, a publicly funded translator can be provided for you.

    And remember, the enclosed 20% off all Birkenstocks coupon expires in 90 days, so don’t delay.

  41. #586835
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, Socky said:

    Every time Landslide opens his mouth, the “McCain Derangement Syndrome” I was accused of last spring seems less and less deranged.

  42. #586847
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm, conservativesRus said:

    I really wonder how many dollars McCain will collect. Maybe he can ask Obama for a bailout.
    Since McCain isn’t a conservative, no conservatives will contribute.
    Since McCain isn’t liberal enough, no liberals will contribute.
    The great undecideds generally are those with not enough brainpower to a) have opinions and b) use those opinions to make a decision – therefore, they won’t contribute.
    Who does that leave to send money?
    I’m still at a complete loss to explain what he wants to use the money for.

  43. #586848
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Your Liberal Introductory Kit is in the mail.

    1 race card – to be played when speaking to a conservative
    1 marriage license for “King and King” – to be given to a 1st grader
    1 condom – to be given to a 5th grader
    1 koran – to be given to a 7th grader
    1 Che t-shirt – to be given to a 9th grader
    5 bumper stickers – to be given to a 16 year old

    “Friends don’t let friends vote Republican”
    “Free Mumia”
    “Free Tibet”
    “No War For Oil”
    “Think Globally – Act Locally”

    1 application for a government job – to be given to an 18 year old because life starts when the application is filled out. Otherwise, “it” can be given a very late term abortion. (Exception – inmates on death row)
    1 driver license – to be given to an illegal alien
    1 certifed voter registration card – to be given to an illegal alien
    1 Certification Of Live Birth – to be given to the British Subject of your choice so they can run for POTUS
    1 ticket for items at a KKK linen laundry – to be kept for future use

  44. #586852
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:39 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, chapoutier said:
    True fact.

    Is this as opposed to “false facts”?
    What other kind of fact is there other than true?

  45. #586855
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    What other kind of fact is there other than true?

    Liberal facts. Like –

    humans cause global warming
    evolution
    socialism works

  46. #586856
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, Bill Grant said:

    Boy, I guess we dodged a bullet by electing Obama… Huh? We sure showed him.

    And things would be better exactly how if McCain was president elect?

    Mr Grant – since you seem so confident in McCain – can you explain to me which values McCain wants money to support?
    McCain didn’t do it – maybe you can.

  47. #586857
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm, abstractmind said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, Bill Grant said:

    I think you’re missing the point, though. You’re quick to bash on people who think McCain is/was wrong about a great many things.

    I don’t see the people who disagree with McCain saying Oblahma is better.

    You just don’t want to hear someone else’s opinion on the matter, for whatever reason.

    Seems simple to me.

  48. #586859
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm, Bill Grant said:

    Here is another political E-mail circulating, I found it being ridiculed on a conservative blog. Perhaps ya’all would be more interested. Strangely enough, this solicitation for money doesn’t come with a cheesy photoshopped dead upside down republican elephant. Guess Barack is more understated than Michelle.

    On January 20th, our journey to bring change will officially begin.
    We’re organizing the most open and accessible inauguration in our nation’s history. And we’re doing it without contributions from Washington lobbyists or big corporations.
    Just like we did on the campaign, we’re relying entirely on supporters like you — ordinary people giving whatever they can afford to make this an event for all Americans.
    I know we’ve asked a lot of you. But changing the way business is done in Washington will take a commitment from all of us. Right now, you can help give this administration a strong start.
    And if you make a donation of any amount before midnight tonight, you could be selected to come to Washington, D.C., and be part of the welcome ceremony, the swearing in, the Inaugural Parade, and the Inaugural Community Ball. [..]
    We have a long road ahead of us, and we’re going to face some major challenges as soon as we start. But I know I can count on you every step of the way.
    Thank you for everything you’ve done and happy New Year,

    Barack

    No RINO’s there… Bet you they don’t have any problems raising money either.

  49. #586874
    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, JHSII said:

    I see a certain unnamed poster is still bitter over the fact that McCain told Conservatives “I don’t need you” all the way up until he figured out that he really needed us – and by then he had thrown enough daggers in our direction that it was too late.

  50. #586877
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:03 pm, Solo said:

    I see a certain unnamed poster is still bitter over the fact that McCain told

    Conservatives “I don’t need you” all the way up until he figured out that he really needed us – and by then he had thrown enough daggers in our direction that it was too late.

    Bill is a true believer in all things republican. It wouldn’t shock me if he worked for the RNC.

  51. #586882
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm, Speakup said:

    if it’s along the lines of McCain-Feingold, amnesty for Illegal immigrants, carbon caps, ‘gun show loopholes’ or trillion-dollar Wall Street bailouts, I think he meant to say ‘Big Government ideals’.”

    Why wouldn’t Conservatives vote for McCain?

  52. #586883
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, JHSII said:

    I’d venture (though not waste time researching) that McCain started publicly throwing daggers about the first day he was in public office – it got him attention.
    His goal was to “get things done” – whether or not those things were good.
    Although it’s very dangerous ground to tread, one could argue that up to this point, McCain has enacted far more dangerous legislation than Obama. (Of course, you do have to consider that empty suit hasn’t ever accomplished anything other than a popularity contest)

  53. #586886
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:11 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm, abstractmind said:

    You’re quick to bash on people who think McCain is/was wrong about a great many things.

    Nope. I just resent the fact that during this whole debacle and indeed, even after it is over and LOST I had to defend this geezer from not only the idiot Kos kids from supposed conservatives have helped to diminish conservatism in this country by tirelessly working to elect a genuine, appeasing socialist who has nothing but contempt for the ideas of American exeptionalism. It’s one thing to be driving down to Virginia to try to lure old folks to the polls with goddamn tapioca pudding packs in order to keep Obama out. Getting it in the back at the same time from the likes of Malkin is a bit much.

    I don’t see the people who disagree with McCain saying Oblahma is better.

    conservativesRus doesn’t think there is any difference at all.

    You just don’t want to hear someone else’s opinion on the matter, for whatever reason.

    I see us going down the same exact road that lead us to, and lets face it, complete defeat. The notion that conservatives can abandon the Republican party and have conservatism be a factor in the USA in the mid or long term is idiotic. The notion that we can win elections by not contributing money or insisting that we get 100% of everything we wanted is also going to bring us back here. This country is too important to me to quietly sit back and watch what is happening to it and it is made more galling by the fact that the people who are supposedly advocating for solutions have actually helped the problem. If it makes you feel better to kid yourselves that you are doing something out of conservative principals by not sending money to any PACs, trashing the GOP on the internet and sulking on election day there really isn’t a lot I can do about it. Just be advised that 1) it is hurting the country and 2)I am out of tapioca pudding.

  54. #586889
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, JHSII said:

    I see a certain unnamed poster is still bitter over the fact that McCain told Conservatives “I don’t need you” all the way up until he figured out that he really needed us

    You are not a conservative. You are a proven liar.

  55. #586890
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    And if you make a donation of any amount before midnight tonight, you could be selected to come to Washington, D.C., and be part of the welcome ceremony…

    “Don’t hesitate! Call now! Operators are standing by! And, if call in the next 10 minutes, you will get a complete set of Ginsu knives! A $100 value – FREE! Call now…you could be selected!”

    I knew I’d seen that commercial somewhere before.

    BARF.

  56. #586902
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm, abstractmind said:

    Fair enough bill…but in response…

    Getting it in the back at the same time from the likes of Malkin is a bit much.

    I’m not always about vengeance, but i will point out where something seems like it was due.

    If you think this is backstabbing, I would reference McCain’s KEYNOTE SPEECH at a meeting around the 4th of July last year…with LA RAZA.

    I can STILL feel THAT knife solidly in my vitals.

    I see us going down the same exact road that lead us to, and lets face it, complete defeat.

    To be fair, i said the same thing. But I’ve said this before, and i’ll say it again…i sincerely believe both of them (mccain and obama) to be cancer. obama is brain cancer, mccain is lung cancer. Both of them will kill you, just one doesnt take as long normally.

    This country is too important to me to quietly sit back and watch what is happening to it and it is made more galling by the fact that the people who are supposedly advocating for solutions have actually helped the problem.

    I absolutely, 200% agree. Our country IS too important to let it go to the wayside. But there HAS to be a better way. I don’t believe McCain is that better way. What is? To be frank, your guess is as good as mine. But I’m convinced its not with him.

    I really wish I could say i had a better idea. I wish i had something i could put in his place to represent something better. Truth is, at present, I dont. And while I do respect mccain for his military service, and i applaud his years of public service, i think in the end he’s doing us all a disservice with changes he wants to make.

    I avoid calling him a RINO (usually anyway..i might have said it once or twice, but not very often) simply because sometimes he has the look of a good conservative, but…lately thats not been the case. And since illegal immigration is my keystone issue…well, i have a hard time agreeing with someone who wants to open our borders up like a floodgate and let them all come in.

    If it makes you feel better to kid yourselves that you are doing something out of conservative principals by not sending money to any PACs, trashing the GOP on the internet and sulking on election day there really isn’t a lot I can do about it. Just be advised that 1) it is hurting the country and 2)I am out of tapioca pudding.

    Fair. I would say find a PAC that DOES hold these views, and post it here for people to see. If anyone has one, i’d be happy to look at it. And it might give others something to think about.

    At this point, there’s nothing we can really do but limit the damage these idiots taking power do, until we have a better solution.

    And use butterscotch pudding, its SO much better…at least, it motivates me.

    Or cheesecake.

    :)

  57. #586911
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, Cicero said:

    I think McCain’s going to be the only member of his new little club, unless he can get the NYT editorial staff to show up.

  58. #586921
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, Bill Grant said:
    Jeddite, Bill doesn’t/won’t get this. It’s pointless to argue w/him.
    Indeed. I don’t get how the country is better off with Obama as president. I think “conservatives” who believe that it is are morons. It is probably pointless to try to persuade me otherwise.

    Bill, I’ve kind of lost interest in debating with you, b/c I haven’t seen anything affirmative from your posts. I’m waiting for you to tell us all what would satisfy you in a candidate. Your line is that we all “helped” Obama get elected by not voting for McCain (even though many of us did vote for the R ticket–that goes sailing over your head)…but then you don’t say why McCain is such a good choice, either. Those of us who voted for him had to contort ourselves ideologically to do so, of course the addition of a genuine, boots-on-the-ground conservative to his ticket helped tremendously, and now you are bashing those of us who resent McCain’s blatant obnoxious grab for handouts from the very people he let down the most. That’s why I told Jeddite it’s pointless to argue with you. We all know Obama is not going to be good for this country, many of us voted for McCain (points on which you seem to agree), but we reserve the right to criticize the man where it is due. He did not distinguish himself from Obama ideologically. Obama filled the HUGE void left in the debate with conservative-sounding rhetoric, and it worked to his advantage, winning over even some conservatives, certainly enough to put him firmly in the winner’s column. Why can’t you accept that McCain was McCain’s worst enemy, not Michelle and others who called him out for his foolishness and arrogance?

  59. #586923
    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:58 pm, MtsEdge said:

    P.S. Bill, if we can’t get to the point where constructive criticism can be applied to a candidate, we will continue to wallow in defeat. I don’t think you want that any more than do any of the other conservatives on this site. Time to recognize where the flaws are (there were many), regroup, and DON’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN.

  60. #586931
    On January 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm, abstractmind said:

    i sincerely believe both of them (mccain and obama) to be cancer.

    McCain had some bad ideas but he was not cancer. He also showed that he could be pushed into doing the right thing. Would it have been better to have someone who wouldn’t have taken any work? Sure. That wasn’t the situation though and Obama is downright dangerous.
    I know well where John McCain came from and while I disagree with his conclusions and inclinations on several issues I can see how his allegiance to certain ideas and principals brought him to believe what he does… Even if he has misinterpreted the honor codes and taken points of etiquette to an absurd extreme. (Especially in dealing with people who would gleefully relieve themselves all over his notions of duty.) That said, he cares about the country and Obama resents it. Whatever, it’s over. 1930’s conduct codes from Episcopal boarding schools and “honor over honor over all” doesn’t get ‘er done like Saul Alinsky and “hope and change”. Sacrifice is for suckers now. Maybe it always was.

    I don’t believe McCain is that better way.

    I think it is the difference between 1 step back and 20 and those were the only choices. Now we have an incredible amount of work to hold it at 20, yet we still want to “weed out” what’s left.

    “Or cheesecake.”

    Too hard on their teeth.

  61. #586942
    On January 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm, zorro said:

    John, my friend, no, I will not donate money to your new organization. Your idea of republican ideals are 180 degrees out of sync with Conservative Ideals. Please go home and take Arlen Specter and the rest of the rinos with you.

  62. #586961
    On January 8th, 2009 at 7:48 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Anything more ironic than someone who voted for the truther party to be calling anyone else a RINO?

    Bill Grant, when you were little did you fall in the pool and stop breathing for a while? Six, eight minutes? Drugs in the 60s? High fever?
    Or is it just a family tradition?

  63. #586963
    On January 8th, 2009 at 7:51 pm, drfredc said:

    Face it folks, McCain is a Social Conservative type of guy.

    It’s long past time to understand the PRESSSSidential term of Social Conservative is a convenient (big S big C) label used by the PRESSSSident to confuse small c fiscal and constitutional conservatives. Many Social Conservatives could just as well be labeled ProLife Liberals.

    This is because, outside of their prolife stance, many SCs lean strongly towards big government centralist solutions on other matters.

    This also shouldn’t be taken to mean that all ProLifers are closet liberals on other issues. There’s plenty of fiscal and constitutional conservatives who are pro-life. They just don’t wear ProLife or Social Conservative as their billboard.

    Much of this is because fiscal constitutional conservatives are also strong believers in personal responsibility. If one is personally responsible for one’s actions, prolife decisions typically don’t impact one’s family life in any shape or form.

  64. #586981
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:13 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Bill, I’ve kind of lost interest in debating with you,

    When have we ever “debated”?

    b/c I haven’t seen anything affirmative from your posts.

    Well you have been a big ray of sunshine, let me tell you.

    “I’m waiting for you to tell us all what would satisfy you in a candidate”

    Satisfy or be pleased with? Those are 2 different things. Satisfaction is someone who is not a socialist who wont appease our enemies, who wont cave in to foreign pressure in order to be “liked”, who won’t bankrupt the country…add to that someone who can WIN. Pleased with? Someone who will adhere to the constitution, who will reinvigorate our manufacturing base, who will end our dependence on foreign sources of energy, who will jealousy guard our sovereignty from internationalist organizations. guard our borders from human waves of immigration, who will shrink government, who wont come after my weapons or my V8 engine or my inheritance or whatever else they can shake me down for… I am sure there is more.
    Ecstatic would be Someone who will punch the hippies, truthers and kooks, close down NPR, MSNBC, toss Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi Al Frankin, Chris Matthews the state of Minnesota, Rosanne Barr, Madonna, Rosie O’Donnell and the leftist sock puppets who have screwed with your minds on this site all into a deep pit full of komodo dragons. Someone who would give that atheist pest a nut popping wedggie. Someone who will build robotic death machines that will make the islamsist wet themselves in terror before their heads explode and someone who will make Keith Obermann roam the earth handcuffed to Hugo Chavez’s rotting corpse on his right and William Ayres’s rotting corpse on his left and a demented Fidel Castro with his leaky colostomy bag as a back pack.

    It’s fun to play pretend. However I am not going to hold out for the komodo dragon pit or call them a RINO.

    “That’s why I told Jeddite it’s pointless to argue with you.”

    Well, the whole “If McCain had wanted to defeat Obama, he would have” was a really, really great point that made perfect sense and deserved to be addressed.

    “Obama filled the HUGE void left in the debate with conservative-sounding rhetoric, and it worked to his advantage, winning over even some conservatives, certainly enough to put him firmly in the winner’s column.”

    Smart folk?

    “DON’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN.”

    Kind of why I have been at it.

  65. #586983
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:16 pm, MtsEdge said:

    When have we ever “debated”?

    My point exactly.

  66. #586985
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:21 pm, Jeddite said:

    I’d just like to reiterate that if McCain had wanted to defeat Obama, he would have. But instead, McCain opted to wage a losing campaign and, as I do think we’re all quite cognizant of by now, lost.

    Can I criticize him if I voted for him? Or are McCain’s bitter cheerleaders the only voters permitted to do that?

  67. #586987
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:23 pm, Bill Grant said:

    My point exactly.

    So the whole “affirmative” thing was BS… ‘K.

  68. #586989
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pm, MtsEdge said:

    So the whole “affirmative” thing was BS… ‘K.

    Maybe you misread what I meant here…I was looking for some affirmative description of what you want to see in a candidate, besides just “not-Obama McCain”…you did offer that in post 63. Otherwise, I don’t know what you’re talking about in this post.

    Guess I should explain that “debate” to me means a back-and-forth exchange of ideas, with each side offering ideas and challenging the other side. Up till your last post (63), I really just keep seeing you jumping with both feet on those who would criticize McCain as if we are to blame for his loss….and you don’t really offer a specific person who would rally the troops and WIN. McCain didn’t act like a winner, and it all seemed so distasteful to him…maybe that wasn’t how he felt, but it sure did make me feel that way towards him.

  69. #586991
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:31 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:21 pm, Jeddite said:
    I’d just like to reiterate that if McCain had wanted to defeat Obama, he would have. But instead, McCain opted to wage a losing campaign and, as I do think we’re all quite cognizant of by now, lost.

    And now has the audacity to seek $$$ from the very people he poked in the eye during his campaign, invoking the name of the running mate whom he threw to the wolves and refused to stand up for (he was too busy yukking it up on Leno, I guess).

  70. #586996
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:36 pm, Jeddite said:

    Obama’s campaign revolved around him dousing himself in gasoline and dancing in front of the American people. Instead of handing Obama a lit match, McCain went out of his way to fetch Obama a towel made of asbestos. Multiple times.

  71. #586997
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:36 pm, Jeddite said:

    Interesting, but effective, analogy. :)

  72. #586998
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:38 pm, rightisright said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, Jeddite said: “Don’t blame me – I voted for Sarah Palin”

    (it’s true, y’know)

    Asked if I voted for her, my answer…”you bettcha”

  73. #587001
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:45 pm, Socky said:

    Getting back to the main point, if McCain’s PAC is supposed to advance McCain’s ideals, than anyone who donates is helping to advance…

    - Amnesty for illegal aliens.

    - Cap and Trades schemes to enrich Al Gore and the Global Warming mafia

    - Government Regulation of Political Speech

    - Caving to Democrats and throwing conservative judges under the bus

    - Preventing drilling in an arctic mudflat for the sake of appeasing Gaia.

    Why the hell should we support any of that?

  74. #587003
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:47 pm, Socky said:

    Maybe Bill Grant would like to fork over his dough to support that because he’s a “loyal Republican,” but the rest of us… no thanks. I need to save my money for ammo.

  75. #587005
    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:56 pm, beenthere said:

    John McCain gave us two good things this year: Governor Palin and Joe the Plumber. That’ll be it. He did nothing for us prior and will do nothing for us again — no psychic powers required for that prediction. My own feeling is that he should rename his PAC the John McCain Early Retirement Fund. Moreover, the more we send him (and I feel confident he would get a lot of contributions if that were the name), the sooner he will retire. It’s a win win situation.

  76. #587014
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:24 pm, rightisright said:

    “…republican ideals are 180 degrees out of sync with Conservative Ideals”.

    Now that is the main problem, they no longer are the same…so, where does that leave a conservative…s.o.l.?
    Sadly, yes.

  77. #587016
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pm, Bill Grant said:

    January 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pm, MtsEdge said:

    …and you don’t really offer a specific person who would rally the troops and WIN.

    Zombie Goldwater ‘12.

    On January 8th, 2009 at 8:47 pm, Socky said:

    Maybe Bill Grant would like to fork over his dough to support that because he’s a “loyal Republican,”

    Isn’t being a parasite a socialist concept?

    but the rest of us… no thanks.

    So you speak for everyone else here? I should have gone right to you to begin with.

    “I need to save my money for ammo.”

    Save your brass and load your own and give the savings to the RNC.

  78. #587019
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:39 pm, flenser said:

    Face it folks, McCain is a Social Conservative type of guy.

    Lordy, you encounter some amazingly clueless people on the internet.

    McCains claim to fame was that he’d be the guy who was not beholden to those Bible-thumpin’ sister-humpin’ shotgun-pumpin’ social cons. You know, people like us. That’s why people like the NYT loved him.

  79. #587022
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:41 pm, JHSII said:

    Bill Grant #53

    You are not a conservative. You are a proven liar.

    Projection by Bill. Nothing new here.

    For the record, Bill has repeatedly called me a “proven liar” – but has yet to provide any evidence that I’ve ever lied – even once. On the other hand, Bill has repeatedly lied – such as when he says that I’m not a Conservative.

    Nice going, Bill.

  80. #587024
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:47 pm, Socky said:

    Isn’t being a parasite a socialist concept?

    If the parasites sneak across the border, sign up for welfare, and have a few anchor babies… your friend Landslide McCain thinks they’re a group to pander to.

  81. #587026
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm, JHSII said:

    I’m still waiting for McCain to pander to Conservatives…

  82. #587031
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, Socky said:

    If McCain had been elected, is there any doubt he’d be screwing us over nine ways to Sunday?

  83. #587032
    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:57 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm, JHSII said:

    I’m still waiting for McCain to pander to Conservatives…

    Isn’t that what he’s trying to do now that he’s broke?

  84. #587039
    On January 8th, 2009 at 10:08 pm, JHSII said:

    PKAmmoTroop:

    Isn’t that what he’s trying to do now that he’s broke?

    Excellent point!!

    “My friends, after 20+ years of pushing you under the bus, selling you out, and stabbing you in the back – I need your money.” :roll:

  85. #587066
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:09 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 9:41 pm, JHSII said:

    “Projection by Bill. Nothing new here.”

    I Reallllly wish I hadn’t taught you that word. Couldn’t you parrot some other phrase for a while?

    For the record, Bill has repeatedly called me a “proven liar” – but has yet to provide any evidence that I’ve ever lied – even once.

    Still waiting for you to point out where I had positively compared you to Ronald Reagan…

  86. #587070
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pm, JHSII said:

    And yet another lie by Bill Grant.

    You never taught me the word “projection” Bill. Did you know me more than 20 years ago? I learned the word long before you ever came onto the scene.

    For the record, Bill has repeatedly called me a “proven liar” – but has yet to provide any evidence that I’ve ever lied – even once.

    Still waiting for you to point out where I had positively compared you to Ronald Reagan…

    I’ve pointed it out repeatedly. I’ll do so again.
    You called me an idiot.
    Liberals called Ronald Reagan an idiot.
    That makes it a positive comparison.

    The ball is still in your court, Bill. Provide evidence that I’ve lied. Otherwise you’re just confirming that you are nothing more than a troll and a liar.

  87. #587075
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:28 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pm, JHSII said:

    “The ball is still in your court, Bill. Provide evidence that I’ve lied. ”

    You just did, obviously. Calling you an idiot is not making a “positive comparison” to you and Ronald Reagan. It is calling you an idiot. The fact that you keep doubling down on your idiocy confirms that you are an idiot.
    Do you think you are impressing anyone with this? You just look lame.

  88. #587076
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:34 pm, JHSII said:

    Total denial of reality from Bill. I ask him to provide evidence that I’ve lied and he spins something I just posted into something that it isn’t.

    Every time Bill calls me an idiot he makes a positive comparison between me and Ronald Reagan. The only way it wouldn’t be a positive comparison would be if liberals never called Ronald Reagan an idiot.

    I gave Bill the chance to prove that he’s not a troll and a liar and he couldn’t do it. End of story. Thanks for playing, Bill.

  89. #587077
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:35 pm, JHSII said:

    Now let’s see if Bill stays up all night with another round of hypocritical attacks against me like he’s done before…

  90. #587088
    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:53 pm, DaveC said:

    Grant has got to be one of the worst water carriers for McCain I have ever seen..

    still loyal to Maverick even after McCain gave him a kick to the clusters..

  91. #587096
    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:04 am, Bill Grant said:

    On January 8th, 2009 at 11:34 pm, JHSII said:

    Total denial of reality from Bill. I ask him to provide evidence that I’ve lied and he spins something I just posted into something that it isn’t.

    It is there for anyone to see. Tilt your head back folks.

    Every time Bill calls me an idiot he makes a positive comparison between me and Ronald Reagan.

    A lie. A stupid one.

    “The only way it wouldn’t be a positive comparison would be if liberals never called Ronald Reagan an idiot.”

    It doesn’t matter what the liberals called Ronald Reagan, you are still an idiot.

    “Now let’s see if Bill stays up all night with another round of hypocritical attacks against me like he’s done before…”

    Another lie from JHSII. “Attacks against you”. Poor thing. Be quiet and let the adults talk.

  92. #587098
    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:12 am, JHSII said:

    And then Bill follows with another spurious attack – just like I predicted he would. It took a full 29 minutes.

    Thanks for proving me right Bill. Again.

  93. #587101
    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:15 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Mr. Bill Grant,
    John McCain committed so many treacherous acts toward conservatives that they are too numerous to recite. Most people here are painfully aware of his sorry record.

    But letting the pre-campaign history go and just holding him accountable for his snake-like behavior toward his party while the campaign was in progress, I want to cite his self-righteous effort to throw the NC GOP under the bus when they sought to raise the Rev. Wright issue.

    I will not claim that the particular way the NC party tried to use Wright was the very best politics, but, generally, Obama’s associations were an utterly legitimate issue. Okay, McCain was determined to take the “high road,” although I am not conceding that there was anything “high” about it. In fact, his position was stupid, but I will stipulate that he believed his position was righteous.

    My question is this: Why was McCain not content simply to stay away from those issues himself rather than take the extra step and slander the NC GOP, virtually calling them racists. So typical of McCain…all high-minded gentleman when it came to going after the Dems but ready in an instant to knife other GOPers.

    Frankly, I’d love to spit on the man.

  94. #587114
    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:43 am, Bill Grant said:

    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:12 am, JHSII said:

    And then Bill follows with another spurious attack – just like I predicted he would.

    It was neither “spurious” nor an “attack”, just a recap of events.

    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:15 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Mr. Bill Grant,
    John McCain committed so many treacherous acts toward conservatives that they are too numerous to recite. Most people here are painfully aware of his sorry record.

    Good news for you (not for the country); the most liberal senator in congress, a man with a 143 day record in the senate and a 20 year record in the damn America church got elected instead of the product of your MDS.

    “Frankly, I’d love to spit on the man.”

    Stay classy.

  95. #587116
    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:53 am, JHSII said:

    And Bill Grant still keeps up the spurious attacks on me – exactly as I predicted…and claims that they are something else. LOL at BIll Grant!!

    I see honesty about McCain is now MDS. That’s a good one, Bill. You’re always good for a laugh – if for nothing else…

  96. #587118
    On January 9th, 2009 at 1:07 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Your reply is cute, Grant, but, of course, unresponsive.

    McCain is responsible for Obama’s victory. Most of us — including me — held our noses and voted for the snake.

    And now, even after it is all over, you want to deny us the right to our bitterness at the man responsible for this disaster? Get real.

    The GOP has no hope whatsoever of reviving itself until some leaders of the future emerge. What is it that you are wanting? For McCain now to be the leader of the party? ROFL And your reasoning would be that he didn’t lose…he was betrayed by Michelle and the many, many conservatives who despised him for his long record of treachery?

    He ain’t gonna lead squat. He will be hard-pressed to be re-elected senator from Arizona.

    And his great new PAC…I searched the net and do not find a single other name behind this PAC except JSM. A one-man parade. A parade hardly worth spitting at.

  97. #587131
    On January 9th, 2009 at 3:07 am, Bill Grant said:

    On January 9th, 2009 at 12:53 am, JHSII said:

    I see honesty about McCain is now MDS.

    Whatever that meant.

    That’s a good one, Bill. You’re always good for a laugh – if for nothing else.

    Even if that were true it would put me 1 up on you.

    On January 9th, 2009 at 1:07 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Your reply is cute, Grant, but, of course, unresponsive.

    You just advocated spitting on someone who served the USA for 50 years. We are done, asshole.

    On this webblog, under the prodding guidance of or at least the acquiescence of Michelle Malkin John McCain has repeatedly been called a “traitor” a “coward” his wife and his family have been attacked and denigrated and people have advocated that he be assaulted and now “Spit on”. This disgusting, stupid, deranged, hysterical display has gone on throughout the primaries, through the defeat and now when the government has been turned over to the very things that “conservatives” supposedly oppose it continues.
    When we were supposed to be raising money, she trashed us. When we were supposed to be circling the wagons, she trashed us. When we were supposed to be helping to get out the vote, she trashed us. In the face of a well motivated, well financed and well run ultra leftist campaign that promised and will do their best to permanently alter this country in to another quasi socialist european state, she trashed us. She worked to demotivate conservatives and Republicans, alienate independents and undecideds and seize on every unfair, irrelevant or nonfactual detail to bury the only hope of defeating the VERY THINGS you accused him of advocating for this country. Even saying “I told you so” will be no consolation.

    Now you want to have some purges and FURTHER diminish the republican party. All based on Michelle Malkins personal witch hunts. (There are RINOS under the bead kids.) You have been no ally of conservatives and no ally of Americans.

    Really, spitting on veterans… Worse derangement than Kos. Well done.

  98. #587162
    On January 9th, 2009 at 7:44 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Bob Dole was a poor candidate, Mr. Grant. But I never fail to honor his service, and I never speak harshly about him. Heroic military service is to be honored. But it is not a trump card to allow someone then to be a traitor in a political cause of equal importance to the that long-ago war and escape being branded for exactly what he has become: John McCain, a vain, arrogant, self-righteous, disloyal, dirty politician who pretended to be part of a party in which he did not believe. He then tried to use his position in that party to climb over the backs of his comrades to achieve the object of his uncontrolled ambition. Along the way, he continually betrayed those who trusted him.

    And “we are done,” you say. I will be done, Mr. Grant, when you shut your mouth or when I get bored with answering your defense of America’s flag-wrapped traitor.

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