“We don’t know why we do it, but we will never stop because Islam and our elders require it.”
A Muslim mother in Iraq lures her seven-year-old into a female genital circumcision by lying to her about a “party.” A half-dozen other girls are also tricked. The Washington Post documented the torment.
Go here. But not if you have a queasy stomach or a weak heart.
The mother of 7-year-old Sheelan’s parting thought?
“We don’t know why we do it, but we will never stop because Islam and our elders require it.”
An epigram that explains a lot of barbaric behavior these days. Years. Centuries.
Hat tip: Mookie
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Lies, mutilation, death, interesting religion they have there.
I will never understand how a mother can condone such a thing. God bless these poor children.
Barbaric.
It will never end…
looking at those sweet little faces on those children and the pain during and after is as heartbreaking as you can get.
AJ..I could not look..I just can’t…
Is this part of the dream that Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, Ted Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy Slossberg, Keith Ellison, Joy Behar, Rosie O’Donnell, Roseanne Barr, Cynthia McKinney, Council on American Islamic Relations, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and B. Hussein Obama, and Michelle Obama have for America?
It must be utterly horrifying to be a female Muslim.
And they call Judaism a gutter religion?!?
And Christianity. Christianity is always as bad – or worse – than Islam.
Has it ever occured to that woman to ASK why they must do it?
They don’t know why they do it! There’s the problem….They don’t do any thinking! They buy this garbage hook, line and sinker! They have abdicated common sense and ration thought to blindly following a set of toxic beliefs.
A religion whose headed by Satan himself, the father of lies, death, pain, suffering and eternal condemnation.
No, because women are property under Islamic law. Any disobedience, and they can (by religious rules) be beaten, abused, or killed.
but but but…according to edelweiss, islam (I will not bring myself to capitalize that barbaric, satanic mob) isn’t a problem at all. If I recall correctly, the proclamation was that all of Europe is enlightened and free from religion. So, if Europe is free from religion, and Europe has islam, islam is not a religion.
“We don’t know why we do it,” indicates a knowing ignorance; it seems wrong but not enough to stop doing it. The same can be said for other practices the followers of sharia bloodily keep doing.
Some very smart Muslims say that acceptance of modernity is the only counter, that Islam must change from within. Okay. How many more mentally challenged will be set off among their fellow Muslims before that kicks in? How many billion more Sheelan’s will be butchered before it kicks in? (I digress; the list is long.) When will the followerers of modernity wrench the bombs and blades from their brothers and sisters’ hands and scream “enough” in their ears?
Islam is nothing more than a cult of jealousy, misery, slavery and death. It has NO redeeming qualities. It has contributed NOTHING to humanity, ever.
So, can you all tell what I think of Islam?
The world will never see peace, until the only place a Koran can be found, is in a Museum.
It’s really sad what people can ultimately do when they aren’t allowed to question thier religion. As usual, it’s the children who suffer most.
My heart aches for these young girls. From very early in life they aren’t shown any mercy, love or given a taste of freedom; they go through this type of barbaric procedure and are married by the ripe old age of nine.
Good grief. I really wish I hadn’t taken a look at the slideshow.
And the left says that Christianity is the problem and not islam. The silence from NOW is deafening.
Religion of Horror
JH,
it is? why would you expect NOW to care about children?
hell NOW doesn’t even care about women!!! Paglia even tho she is commielib had a great article on how such socalled prowomen groups have gone to crap ( me I never thought they had any use as they required the minimization of men for their “power” )
anyway no dont have link handy but it was about Palin back in october and she wenton about the overall movement.
found it:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/10/08/palin/
WHAT THE HELL??????????
What is that procedure supposed to accomplish? Is it for appearance, sexual enhancement or sexual control?
WHAT THE HELL??????????
GEEESSS!
Barbaric? Yes. But why no outcry for the continued religious or misguided mutilation of baby boys? Is there really a difference between male circumcision for “religious reasons” or because our “elders require it?” Or because I want my son to be like me?
What is the position of NOW on this stuff? Why are the so-called “feminist” outfits utterly silent on the 10th-class status of women under Islamist cultures, yet they can’t stop bashing the Catholic Church for their lack of female priests?
Female Genital Mutilation…
So that the man may sexually abuse the woman (and afterward emotional abuse)…and the woman can shut up, lay there, and take it like a slave-dog.
Then, get up and have dinner ready.
I do, because you are a f%^&ing idiot. This also explains why your sons blow themselves up to kill other iraqis.
Islam needs it’s own reformation. The catch 22 is, islam can’t reform. Reformation would mean admitting that moo-ham-ed was not a perfect example of humanity and that he was actually a psychopathic, racist pedophile.
But don’t worry, global warming will destroy the earth very soon. Can you feel it?
If this country EVERY allows this procedure to occur here than I know we’ve lost the cultural war. Some people on the left will argue, under the cover of multiculturalism, huggy feally PC BS, that we should be more open minded.
TO HELL WITH THEM.
I’m sure glad we turned that country around…
Sorry for the sarcasm; I just can’t help but be extremely cynical about Iraq ever becoming anything but a hellhole no matter how much Americans and Brits sacrifice there.
Saddam was a problem but not the problem. What that is should be obvious.
I am in the minority here. TRhe governments’s job isn’t to protect the stupid, and children don’t belong to the state.
Yes it is barbaric, but I could not care any less what they do to their children.
It does happen here familyman.
Satan must be the founder of this religion, where else do you see such misery and death. I always thought NOW only cared about AMERICAN womens rights to abortion and nothing else. They could careless about anything else obviously.
oops, I meant did, not does.
I just thought about it and f%^&ing idiot just doesn’t describe this woman for doing this to her child. The correct term is cave dwelling, simpering low grade moronic half human freak of nature. But that may also be too kind.
The circumcision removes a source of pleasure, and usually is accompanied by the vaginal opening being sewed so it is smaller.
It prevents women from enjoying sex, makes sex painful, and makes it difficult for them to hide not being a virgin.
Nice, huh?
It’s always fun, in a sickening sort of way, to watch two of the pet causes of liberalism butt heads, isn’t it?
On one hand, you have sex – and the left thinks it’s a fundamental human right to have promiscuous sex with whatever, whoever, whenever and wherever. We all know they argue for contraception for young women and men because they’re “going to do it anyway”…
On the other, you have multiculturalism and more specifically Islam. We have to tolerate other cultures because all are equally good and vaild, blah, blah, blah.
So which wins out? The right to unfetterd sexual activity or the need to be multicultural?
It is a quandry.
I care what they do to their children..but then I’m a Christian and a product of Western Civilization enlightenment. But it seems, when it clashes with Islam, Europe is not bothering to defend that civilization. So there will be more mutilated children, not only in Iraq but in Europe and other places.
Correction needed:
Post modernism – anything goes.
I’ll say it again; why feminists are not screaming at the top of their lungs about this is beyond me.
This is not harmless like male circumcision; it permanently mutilates the female body. That’s why the poor girls had to be “tricked” into submitting.
Infant males at least get a topical anesthesia. Not that I’m defending the practice. I did not do it to my son’s.
If the screams of pain from their own daughters doesn’t move them to reexamine their ideology, then how can Obama possibly hope to use reason and dialogue to reach these people.
Exactly DBKinKY.
In Islam women are livestock–Old Mo said so. The apologist will tell us that their women are respected and held in high regard. Well the women hanged in Tehran were lifted high by by the crane.
In a sane country that is true. However, with muslims, the State=Islam. There is no separation of church and state. They are ONE. There is no “individualism”. And if you are unlucky enough to be born a muslim woman, then you are merely property, to be used as needed.
For the woman doing the circumcision, I’d say she knows why she’s doing it – follow the money. While not a lot here, in some countries its a living.
The Koran is truly a book of Satanic Verses.
On January 8th, 2009 at 8:55 am, pubscout said:
Barbaric? Yes. But why no outcry for the continued religious or misguided mutilation of baby boys? Is there really a difference between male circumcision for “religious reasons” or because our “elders require it?” Or because I want my son to be like me?
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Male circumcision may by painful and make the baby cry at the moment, but according to my (limited; I am a woman) understanding, it does not do permanent harm to the baby, whereas girls who have undergone “female circumsision” have health issues involving sex, childbirth, and even going to the bathroom normally for the rest of their lives. One could argue whether male circumsision is “mutilatation”, but this undoubtedly is (to any reasonable person).
Whatever you might think of Oprah, she has been speaking out against this for years. I remember many years ago seeing a segment about this on her show.
1300 years without any reflective examination of their religious writings. If Christians had done that we would still be burning people at the stake, selling indulgances (other than Al Gore’s), and killing anyone who dared claim the world was not flat.
NEWS ALERT
The religon of peace is now firing rockets from leabanon into Israel as well. This thing is steping up a notch.
Agreed!
I can’t wait to see/read what excuses and or equivocations our usual suspects come up with to dismiss this barbaric practice of ritualized mutilation as nothing more than some unfortunate yet exotic “rite of passage,” innate to non-Western cultures.
On January 8th, 2009 at 9:45 am, sonofdy said:
NEWS ALERT
The religon of peace is now firing rockets from leabanon into Israel as well. This thing is steping up a notch.
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Let’s hope Israel “steps it up a notch” as well. Time to stop caring what the “international community” thinks about what they do in self-defence.
Srsly, it didn’t traumatize me; and any adult man who claims to have been traumatized by it probably has other issues he needs to work through.
Good.
Glad to hear that.
But, she is so rich, as far as I know, that she could mount a full-scale, 24-7 publicity campaign against this satanic thing, no?
Or, am I wrong?
Isn’t this “practice” at least as bad as apartheid was in South Africa?
On a similar note, I was going to remark on the conspicuous silence/absence of our socialist trolls on this thread, and whenever similar threads come up.
Why is that?
Waiting for the “Of course this is a horrible, barbaric practice; that’s obvious; what, do I have to comment on this so as not to be seen as condoning it?” blah, blah, blah response….
How could they DO that to their daughters?? I know, it’s because islam isn’t actually a religion – it’s a psychological disorder.
Try and P.C. THIS, libtards!
On January 8th, 2009 at 9:49 am, Socky said:
Srsly, it didn’t traumatize me; and any adult man who claims to have been traumatized by it probably has other issues he needs to work through.
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Good to hear from a man who doesn’t feel like his body has been “mutilated”.
These poor girls, however . . .
There is something wrong with a culture that removes sexual pleasure from women. The joy of sexuality is mutual satisfaction.
She has granite. Well, maybe not 24/7 but she has done a lot to bring attention to the issue. Google it. I think it was early 90′s or so when I saw the segment and yes it was African women if I remember correctly.
Thanks.
But, I’m talking about something approaching the 8 years’ worth of continual (sometimes it seemed like continuous) “Bush was selected, not elected” idiocy we were subjected to.
On January 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am,
“If you know yourself and you know your enemy in a hundred battles you will be victorious.” – Sun Tzu 514 B.C.
I think the first clue that Andrew Sullivan was going off his meds was when he began obsessing over male circumcision.
I agree that female circumcision is a completely different issue, however; as it is done solely for the purpose of abusing and subjugating women.
On January 8th, 2009 at 9:53 am, FamilyMan said:
There is something wrong with a culture that removes sexual pleasure from women. The joy of sexuality is mutual satisfaction.
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But we should expect no less from a culture that subjugates women in every other way; making them wear burquas, forbidding them to go to school or have a job, forbidding them to leave their own home without a husband/male relative . . . oh, and they would be ill-advised to accuse any man of rape; they would probably be found guilty of adultery and stoned to death.
No wonder Islam has to threaten anyone who wants to leave their religion with death; they would have no women left in their religion if they didn’t.
I still have to wonder about the lack of concern for male mutilation as well.
If the Oprah does speak again on this, and the Obama gets wind of it and sees a positive political angle, then see massive tax dollars (if any left) go towards happy sex (leading to on-demand abortions) in 3rd world countries that crank out terrorists who despise the US and want us dead.
But the intentions were admirable, of course.
Ditto.
I have a young daughter, and the thought of anyone DELIBERATELY subjecting their child to this type of torture makes me absolutely sick inside.
I have a friend who served in the Peace Corps in Africa, and she told me she witnessed first hand the extended suffering of a woman trying to give birth after having gone through this brutality…nauseating.
What really amazes me about this whole women in islam thing is how many Western/Christian women convert to this cult and subject themselves to this third class status. And then claim that they feel liberated and blessed.
Being born into this culture and growing up with this type of thinking is one thing, but to willingly convert to subject yourself to this is beyond my ability to comprehend.
I can see why insecure masochistic insecure young men would convert. It gives them a sense of power over women that they’ve never had, and the authority to wreak havoc on whatever or whomever displeases them. But a woman to convert?
And yet there are many in the EU and here in the US that convert. Boggles the mind.
I can guarantee that male circumcision has not remove my sexual pleasure.
On January 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am, MtsEdge said:
Ditto.
I have a friend who served in the Peace Corps in Africa, and she told me she witnessed first hand the extended suffering of a woman trying to give birth after having gone through this brutality…nauseating.
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Hey, lady!
As I’ve pointed out, that is the difference between what they call “female circumsision” and the tradition among Jews of circumsising boys; the boys do not suffer any permanent pain, their bodies are not mutilated, they do not spend the rest of their lives unable to function sexually or even go to the bathroom without pain (childbirth, of course, not being an issue for men).
It has two main purposes. First, it demonstrates to a girl very early in life exactly what her status is and what her rights are, ie it shows her “who’s boss”.
Secondly it curtails or eliminates the woman’s ability to have an orgasm, because god forbid (literally) they should enjoy sex. It turns sex from something they participate in to something they submit to.
You know, it’s said over and over again that we’re not at war with Islam. Well, we should be.
I think of these issues as a spiritual battle, or perhaps better stated, a war. Between good and evil, between God and Satan. There is no middle ground, no moderation. Either someone walks in the light of truth, or they allow themselves to be subjected to lies, and they follow after the lies.
The difference between this and other wars, is we already know the outcome. Yet still so many allow themselves to fall prey to the liar and deceiver Satan.
Not only does female circumcision “ensure” that the young girl will be a virgin when she marries, it is also done to keep her from committing adultery after marriage. After all, if it isn’t enjoyable, she won’t go running around.
Islam degrades women in so many ways. Remember, this is the religion that frequently condemns a woman to death for rape, requires 2 women to testify for every man in a trial, doesn’t let their women go out without a male escort (even if he is only a 7 year old son). . .
Sad, sad, sad.
First, most circumcisions on boys are done for medical reasons. The foreskin can cause problems in some men later in life and it’s better to remove it when the child is a baby, rather than as a teenager or adult (which happened to a relative of mine…I’m a woman and the though still made me wince).
They are done in hospitals, sterile environs with medication and proper equipment.
This blog, Sweetness & Light, has a picture of the equipment used for female circumcision.
No man that I’m aware of, with a properly performed circumcision, has sexual problems, trouble urinating, or disfiguring scars. Sex is still pleasurable for them.
It’s not for women.
Hey there frostrt!! Good mornin’ to ya.
I agree with you that there is a great distinction between male circumcision and female. The male circumcision is performed usually within a few days after childbirth, and although there are some who do it for religious reasons, there is a practical (cleanliness) reason as well.
Female “circumcision” is merely hijacking the term to create a meaningless euphemism for those who are (and should be) revolted by this type of torture. There is no good reason for it, in fact as has already been pointed out, it is merely for the convenience of the man and the subjugation of the woman…and the torture goes on and on. Maybe that’s why the mother was so blinded…b/c it was done to her, and her mother, and so on…
On January 8th, 2009 at 10:10 am, MtsEdge said:
And yet there are many in the EU and here in the US that convert. Boggles the mind.
I think of these issues as a spiritual battle, or perhaps better stated, a war. Between good and evil, between God and Satan. There is no middle ground, no moderation. Either someone walks in the light of truth, or they allow themselves to be subjected to lies, and they follow after the lies.
The difference between this and other wars, is we already know the outcome. Yet still so many allow themselves to fall prey to the liar and deceiver Satan.
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It is reassuring to know, as you say, that we already know what the ultimate outcome will be. Still, it is indeed sad to see so many willingly deceived.
That is an entirely seperate issue and there’s no comparison between the two.
1) Male circumcision is (usually) performed on infants who can’t have any lasting psychological/emotional trauma from it.
2) Male circumcision doesn’t prevent the male from functioning.
The only way you could compare the two was if male circumcision consisted of holding a seven year-old boy down and cutting his penis off.
I believe GOD created all of our human senses. There is enjoyment in touch, sound, taste, smell and vision. The joy of sexuality is just another one of GODS gifts. The deliberate destruction of a persons sexual pleasure is no different than intentionally blinding a person.
Major cringe
Fixed that for you.
PRAY.
Yep. Nothing short of.
On January 8th, 2009 at 10:22 am, MtsEdge said:
PRAY.
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I do and will continue to do so, especially for the eyes of the deceived to be opened.
Well, maybe just the head of it, where the most nerves are at.
For male circumcision to be the equivalent of female circumcision, the entire penis would have to be removed, because the goal is to keep woman as property/guarantee they never commit adultery by making sex pleasureless.
The more proper term isn’t circumcision, which may have health benefits for men and their future wives (or maybe not), but female genital mutilation.
Barbaric. I understand it is an African custom that predates Islam, but with Islam’s focus of dominance and subjugation, Mohammad’s disdain for woman, taking sex slaves in battle, it fits into the Islamic agenda quite well.
Worshipping a meteorite is also a pre-Islamic custom, but the world’s one religion that marries monotheism with paganism manages to keep that tradition alive as well.
We circumcise boys in this country, not out of a need to obey Mosaic law, but for hygiene. It is simply easier to keep clean. Without getting graphic, that is a bonus for the women.
Islam on the other hand Hates women. Women are less than animals in some cases and certainly never equal to a man. Women don’t even get a break in the afterlife; there is no salvation for women.
Because nature abhors a vacuum. For decades, Europe and the US has tried to eschew the Judeo-Christian heritage that made Western Civilization what it is and was. A bastion of genuine freedom and liberty.
But then some dissatisfied types decided the problem was the “restrictive” nature of those Judeo-Christian values and that to obtain “true” freedom, we needed to get rid of any and all traces of those values from popular culture. After all, it’s the 20th century and we’re much more modern than believing in God, right?
So after creating what can only be described as a spiritual desert, where promiscuity and license and moral relativity are considered the true hallmarks of enlightened people, you end up with many who feel…lost.
The constant barrage of “do whatever you want if it feels good” soon makes people realize what they thought was “freedom” is actually making them miserable.
But rather than turning back to those Judeo-Christian values – because popular culture has soured them on it – they turn to something so utterly anti-Judeo-Christian and so backward.
It’s like a rubberband – you stretch it too far in one direction and it snaps back dramatically. And painfully.
That’s what’s happening here.
When you get rid of the Gospel, you aren’t left with nothing. You’ll get anything.
Only a return to Judeo-Christian values will save Western Civilization from radical Islam, and its own libertine spiral into self-destruction.
Yes, esp. for these Islamic women for whom, in their hearts, there is no hope.
You said it better than I…it is precisely that, mutilation, for the sake of torturing the victim (the torture doesn’t end with the initial act of brutality) and subjugating them emotionally. Sickening.
So well said, thank you!
On January 8th, 2009 at 10:32 am, MtsEdge said:
I do and will continue to do so, especially for the eyes of the deceived to be opened.
Yes, esp. for these Islamic women for whom, in their hearts, there is no hope.
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Absolutely. They have been deceived into believing that their bodies and their daughters’ bodies must be mutilated in this way.
If there is no sexual satisfaction for women, do they just lay there and fake enjoyment. Islamic men must be really really sick.
Same thing goes for their boys and explosive vests.
Ouch!
Talk about making one wince and curl up!!
But, you are correct.
The glans penis (homolog of the clitoris), part of the corpus spongiosum (homolog of the labia minora), and some fiddling with the scrotal sac (homolog of the labia majora).
Again…ouch!!
There may be a bit of debate in medicine about whether male circumcision is beneficial or is neutral (I’ve never heard that it is actually harmful), and the pendulum swings depending on the “opinion du jour”, as it does on whether tonsils should be removed or not; whether antibiotics should be given early on for otitis media or not; whether babies should or should not be placed for sleep on their backs, or sides, or bellies, to minimize the chance of SIDS; etc.
But there is no similarity between male circumcision (removal of the prepuce [foreskin] only), and the depraved, savage barbarity of female genital mutilation.
+1
That has happened.
Male circumcision is not without risks, and the risks do not outweigh the benefits. Further it DOES diminish the ability of a male to experience pleasure. Not completely, but it does reduce it.
I know that you all continue to write that Muslim females are kept in subjugation, even expected to be subject to Islam here in the USA; but my question is this: why are the loudest, most obnoxious, shrieking, invective-hurling, cellphone-attached-to-ear people in the protest crowds the females? Think: that female shouting about ‘ovens’ in Florida.
The Koran does not require FGM, so they are lying about that too. Not that I expect much better out of them
Is this “the beauty of Islam” that I hear about
Not completely true. Islamic tradition holds that the husband determines whether the woman spends eternity in Paradise or Gehenna. It gives the man some serious power, while they are still living, to hold literally the power of heaven and hell over his wife.
The Taj Mahal in India was built by a Muslim shah because his favorite wife died in childbirth, and he wanted to demonstrate to the world his devotion to her. However, while this seems sweet and romantic, keeping in the Islamic tradition, the artisans and craftsman that built the Taj Mahal were put to death when the edifice was completed, so they could never build another structure as grand.