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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/11/is-that-an-airplane-or-a-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-589525</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The 5.56mm diameter bullet weighing 50 grains does tumble after it hits the target, provided velocity is not too high but is still high enough*, causing devastating wounds. The new heavier bullets, 62-77 grains, don’t tumble as violently.&lt;/em&gt;

Bravo Sierra. ANY bullet CAN tumble after it strikes the target, but NONE do it IN FLIGHT - which is what the ridiculous story  first proposed. And they don&#039;t &quot;tumble&quot; completely as you propose. That suggests they go end over end, which is absolutely NOT the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The 5.56mm diameter bullet weighing 50 grains does tumble after it hits the target, provided velocity is not too high but is still high enough*, causing devastating wounds. The new heavier bullets, 62-77 grains, don’t tumble as violently.</em></p>
<p>Bravo Sierra. ANY bullet CAN tumble after it strikes the target, but NONE do it IN FLIGHT &#8211; which is what the ridiculous story  first proposed. And they don&#8217;t &#8220;tumble&#8221; completely as you propose. That suggests they go end over end, which is absolutely NOT the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Elm Creek Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elm Creek Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 5.56mm diameter bullet weighing 50 grains &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; tumble after it hits the target, provided velocity is not too high but is still high enough*, causing devastating wounds. The new heavier bullets, 62-77 grains, don&#039;t tumble as violently.

ECS

*(At close range, the 50 grain bullets are through the target before tumbling can start.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 5.56mm diameter bullet weighing 50 grains <strong><em>does</em></strong> tumble after it hits the target, provided velocity is not too high but is still high enough*, causing devastating wounds. The new heavier bullets, 62-77 grains, don&#8217;t tumble as violently.</p>
<p>ECS</p>
<p>*(At close range, the 50 grain bullets are through the target before tumbling can start.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mooseman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is one of the qualification to being a reporter being able to fog a mirror? It seems this is the only qualification many of them have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is one of the qualification to being a reporter being able to fog a mirror? It seems this is the only qualification many of them have.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;these bullets are especially dangerous because they spin, right?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;d bet she got that from some amateur remnant from VN. Another old wives tale (like a .45 will &quot;break your wrist&quot;) that said an M-16 round &quot;tumbles&quot; and therefore results in a devastating wound. 

Clue #1 ... while dimensionally &lt;em&gt;almost&lt;/em&gt; identical, the military 5.56 Nato round and the civilian .223 round are NOT the same.

Clue #2 ... neither round tumbles in flight (a round accurate out to 600 meters &quot;tumbles&quot;?).

Whatever the case ... &lt;strong&gt;as usual&lt;/strong&gt; - Perky is incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>these bullets are especially dangerous because they spin, right?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet she got that from some amateur remnant from VN. Another old wives tale (like a .45 will &#8220;break your wrist&#8221;) that said an M-16 round &#8220;tumbles&#8221; and therefore results in a devastating wound. </p>
<p>Clue #1 &#8230; while dimensionally <em>almost</em> identical, the military 5.56 Nato round and the civilian .223 round are NOT the same.</p>
<p>Clue #2 &#8230; neither round tumbles in flight (a round accurate out to 600 meters &#8220;tumbles&#8221;?).</p>
<p>Whatever the case &#8230; <strong>as usual</strong> &#8211; Perky is incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: CrazyFool</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrazyFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the reporters looked up and asked, “Is that an airplane or a helicopter?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Was anyone able to answer him?

Was it the &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt; answer?

From the above shooty / no shooty link at Dissident Frogman:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is where the real shocker lies: for even if we assume that they could be honest and unbiased, if these Great Professionals™ who make their trade and pride of reporting on worldwide crises — that are bound to involve, more often than not, individual weaponry of various make and caliber — can&#039;t even tell the difference between a bullet and a cartridge, can you just imagine what else — and how much — they ignore?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One of the reporters looked up and asked, “Is that an airplane or a helicopter?”</p></blockquote>
<p>Was anyone able to answer him?</p>
<p>Was it the <em>right</em> answer?</p>
<p>From the above shooty / no shooty link at Dissident Frogman:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is where the real shocker lies: for even if we assume that they could be honest and unbiased, if these Great Professionals™ who make their trade and pride of reporting on worldwide crises — that are bound to involve, more often than not, individual weaponry of various make and caliber — can&#8217;t even tell the difference between a bullet and a cartridge, can you just imagine what else — and how much — they ignore?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: tre</title>
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		<dc:creator>tre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the reporters looked up and asked, “Is that an airplane or a helicopter?” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have a question for that reporter.

Are you an idiot or a moron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One of the reporters looked up and asked, “Is that an airplane or a helicopter?” </p></blockquote>
<p>I have a question for that reporter.</p>
<p>Are you an idiot or a moron?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the DC Sniper shootings, our friend, Katie Couric asked a firearms expert about the 223 casing.

I remember her asking him that: 

(paraphrasing a bit)  these bullets are especially dangerous because they &lt;em&gt;spin&lt;/em&gt;, right?

The expert, much nicer than I would have, explained painfully slowly:

Umm, Katie, all bullets spin when they leave the barrel..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the DC Sniper shootings, our friend, Katie Couric asked a firearms expert about the 223 casing.</p>
<p>I remember her asking him that: </p>
<p>(paraphrasing a bit)  these bullets are especially dangerous because they <em>spin</em>, right?</p>
<p>The expert, much nicer than I would have, explained painfully slowly:</p>
<p>Umm, Katie, all bullets spin when they leave the barrel..</p>
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		<title>By: Charly Martel</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/11/is-that-an-airplane-or-a-helicopter/comment-page-1/#comment-588611</link>
		<dc:creator>Charly Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Bruce. I haven&#039;t spent so much time at a site (except this one)in months. Now time to put in  some practice with my boomstick.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Bruce. I haven&#8217;t spent so much time at a site (except this one)in months. Now time to put in  some practice with my boomstick.  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dimsdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimsdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On January 11th, 2009 at 8:06 pm, Kevin K. said:

If the “journalists” can’t tell the difference between a helicopter and an airplane, then they can’t give useful information to the enemy.

Well, one can hope, anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But sadly, as the history of the NYTimes has shown, they are hell bent on giving away anything they can get to the enemy under the guise of doing it &quot;for the people.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On January 11th, 2009 at 8:06 pm, Kevin K. said:</p>
<p>If the “journalists” can’t tell the difference between a helicopter and an airplane, then they can’t give useful information to the enemy.</p>
<p>Well, one can hope, anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>But sadly, as the history of the NYTimes has shown, they are hell bent on giving away anything they can get to the enemy under the guise of doing it &#8220;for the people.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the &quot;journalists&quot; can&#039;t tell the difference between a helicopter and an airplane, then they can&#039;t give useful information to the enemy.  

Well, one can hope, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the &#8220;journalists&#8221; can&#8217;t tell the difference between a helicopter and an airplane, then they can&#8217;t give useful information to the enemy.  </p>
<p>Well, one can hope, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennessee Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“Is that an airplane or a helicopter?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m reminded of that story that appeared in a newspaper in 2007 about more people getting carry permits.
From &lt;a href=&quot;http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/221281.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Confereate Yankee&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Creative Gun Reporting&lt;/strong&gt;
Somehow, I just don&#039;t believe that the reporter who wrote this San Mateo County Times story, Christine Morente, was actually there (h/t &lt;strong&gt;Michelle Malkin&lt;/strong&gt;):

&lt;blockquote&gt;KIMBERLY SHRUM grips a Smith &amp; Wesson .357 Magnum revolver and aims at a target 25 yards away. Bang. 
A hot shell casing hits the floor, joining hundreds of others littering the concrete at Jackson Arms Indoor Shooting Range in South San Francisco.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Just to point out the obvious to the oblivious, the scenario described above simply cannot happen.

Morente stated Shrum is firing a Smith &amp; Wesson .357 Magnum revolver. Shell casings remain in the chamber of a revolver until manually removed by the shooter; they cannot as Morente described &quot;hit the floor&quot; as a result of pulling the trigger. The automatic ejection of a fired shell is physically impossible with revolvers.

These is basic firearm design fact not open to discussion. What does appear to be open for discussion is whether or not Morente was actually at the Jackson Arms Shooting Range with Shrum as her article implies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If a reporter can&#039;t tell the difference betwen a revolver and a semi-automatic pistol, they they don&#039;t have a chance with a helicoptor and a fixed-wing airplane.

A short story:
My commander used to be a heavy airlift pilot and due to health reasons was disqualified from flying.  He then worked as a supply officer and then became a comm commander.  Since coming to communications he has taken up photography and is pretty good.  He did my wedding.
Last year a recruiter set up a photo shoot to get pictures of one of our planes flying over Memphis and a police helicoptor from which the pictures would be taken.
Our unit photographer was sick that week and the recruiter asked out commander to take the pictures.  Now let me tell you, fixed wing pilots don&#039;t trust those devices where the wings turn in circles overhead and he was none too excited about going up in that contraption.  Actually, but admission, he was down right terrified.  That&#039;s rare for a pilot or ex-pilot to ever do.
He agreed to do the shoot.  On the appointed day he went up, took the shots and came back safely.  The next day I asked how he liked it.  He can&#039;t wait to do it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Is that an airplane or a helicopter?”</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of that story that appeared in a newspaper in 2007 about more people getting carry permits.<br />
From <a href="http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/221281.php" rel="nofollow">Confereate Yankee</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Creative Gun Reporting</strong><br />
Somehow, I just don&#8217;t believe that the reporter who wrote this San Mateo County Times story, Christine Morente, was actually there (h/t <strong>Michelle Malkin</strong>):</p>
<blockquote><p>KIMBERLY SHRUM grips a Smith &amp; Wesson .357 Magnum revolver and aims at a target 25 yards away. Bang.<br />
A hot shell casing hits the floor, joining hundreds of others littering the concrete at Jackson Arms Indoor Shooting Range in South San Francisco.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just to point out the obvious to the oblivious, the scenario described above simply cannot happen.</p>
<p>Morente stated Shrum is firing a Smith &amp; Wesson .357 Magnum revolver. Shell casings remain in the chamber of a revolver until manually removed by the shooter; they cannot as Morente described &#8220;hit the floor&#8221; as a result of pulling the trigger. The automatic ejection of a fired shell is physically impossible with revolvers.</p>
<p>These is basic firearm design fact not open to discussion. What does appear to be open for discussion is whether or not Morente was actually at the Jackson Arms Shooting Range with Shrum as her article implies.</p></blockquote>
<p>If a reporter can&#8217;t tell the difference betwen a revolver and a semi-automatic pistol, they they don&#8217;t have a chance with a helicoptor and a fixed-wing airplane.</p>
<p>A short story:<br />
My commander used to be a heavy airlift pilot and due to health reasons was disqualified from flying.  He then worked as a supply officer and then became a comm commander.  Since coming to communications he has taken up photography and is pretty good.  He did my wedding.<br />
Last year a recruiter set up a photo shoot to get pictures of one of our planes flying over Memphis and a police helicoptor from which the pictures would be taken.<br />
Our unit photographer was sick that week and the recruiter asked out commander to take the pictures.  Now let me tell you, fixed wing pilots don&#8217;t trust those devices where the wings turn in circles overhead and he was none too excited about going up in that contraption.  Actually, but admission, he was down right terrified.  That&#8217;s rare for a pilot or ex-pilot to ever do.<br />
He agreed to do the shoot.  On the appointed day he went up, took the shots and came back safely.  The next day I asked how he liked it.  He can&#8217;t wait to do it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Socky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, that&#039;s the Emperor&#039;s wang, all right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, that&#8217;s the Emperor&#8217;s wang, all right.</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papa Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Overhead, Israeli Apaches were firing rockets at Hezbollah positions. One of the reporters looked up and asked, &quot;Is that an airplane or a helicopter?&quot; Man, that was embarrassing. &lt;/blockquote&gt;But it&#039;s not nearly as embarrassing as &lt;a href=&quot;http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=18175_Mary_Mapes-_Rathergate_Revisionist&amp;only&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rathergate&lt;/a&gt; and all those &quot;journalists&quot; at CBS not knowing the difference between an old-fashioned typewriter and a modern word processor even after the differences were pointed out to them.  This fell well within their supposed area of expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Overhead, Israeli Apaches were firing rockets at Hezbollah positions. One of the reporters looked up and asked, &#8220;Is that an airplane or a helicopter?&#8221; Man, that was embarrassing. </p></blockquote>
<p>But it&#8217;s not nearly as embarrassing as <a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=18175_Mary_Mapes-_Rathergate_Revisionist&amp;only" rel="nofollow">Rathergate</a> and all those &#8220;journalists&#8221; at CBS not knowing the difference between an old-fashioned typewriter and a modern word processor even after the differences were pointed out to them.  This fell well within their supposed area of expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: Member-VRWC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Member-VRWC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On January 11th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, Jvette said: 
What they fear is Joe exposing them for what they are.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With one question during the campaign, JTP already exposed them for what they are: Butt-kissers For Barack.

Hey, liberal media crapweasels:  Got ChapStick?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On January 11th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, Jvette said:<br />
What they fear is Joe exposing them for what they are.</p></blockquote>
<p>With one question during the campaign, JTP already exposed them for what they are: Butt-kissers For Barack.</p>
<p>Hey, liberal media crapweasels:  Got ChapStick?</p>
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		<title>By: madmonkphotog</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmonkphotog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to reports from Joe.  They can&#039;t be any worse than listening to Wolf Blitzer drool over democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to reports from Joe.  They can&#8217;t be any worse than listening to Wolf Blitzer drool over democrats.</p>
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