Liveblogging S-CHIP “debate” on House floor
So far this morning, it’s been an endless parade of Save the Children shrieking. A few bright lights about House Republicans.
GOP Rep. John Culberson chastised the Dems for refusing to hold hearings and refusing to allow Republicans to add amendments:
Said Culberson: “This is a blind yes vote for all of you. No hearings. What are you afraid of? Let the sun shine in! Let the public read the bill (which went up only 24 hours ago.”
Baghdad Jim McDermott thunders: “Health care should be a right, not a privilege.”
Democrat Rep. John Lewis, voice wavering, assails putting “war and greed over children and health.” Yeah, just think of how all the money squandered on Fannie and Freddie corruptocrats could have been better spent covering health insurance for the truly needy.
1:15pm Eastern. GOP Rep. Paul Ryan notes that 2.4 million already on private health insurance plans would be shifted to government programs. “Let’s not bankrupt the country!”
1:25pm Eastern. GOP Rep. John Linder notes lax eligibility checks in Georgia SCHIP program — and camel’s nose under tent for illegal alien coverage.
1:38pm Eastern. Democrat Rep. Eric Massa: “Forget the process. Rome is burning!”
Where have we heard that before?
2:23pm Eastern. Procedural vote on the motion to recommit w/instructions underway…
From Boehner’s office: The GOP alternative.
* Cover low-income children first. Republicans believe that SCHIP legislation should ensure that states are enrolling low-income children below 200 percent of the federal poverty level, especially those who are currently eligible for Medicaid and/or SCHIP, but are not yet enrolled.
* Serve only U.S. citizens and certain legal residents. Republicans believe SCHIP legislation must include stronger protections to prevent fraud by including citizenship verification standards to ensure that only eligible U.S. citizens and certain legal residents are enrolled in the program.
* Not replace private health insurance or force children with private health care to move into a government run program. Republicans want to work with Democrats to cover all eligible low-income children, rather than removing families from private insurance plans and placing them on the government rolls.
* Provide SCHIP with stable funding, without using budget gimmicks that put the program in jeopardy. Republicans do not believe SCHIP legislation should be used as an opportunity to raise taxes, especially on the poorest Americans during an economic crisis, to pay for expanding the program.
The Republican alternative will maintain the program’s core function: ensuring low-income children – not adults, illegal immigrants, and families with private health coverage – have the best care possible. Will Democrats join Republicans in supporting the mission of SCHIP and, indeed, the children it is meant to serve?
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The Trojan Horse sails through, with the support of 40 Republicans.
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At whose expense?
Funny…because in most countries with socialized healthcare, it becomes a “privilege” when the state decides you’re too expensive to cover…
I think I read someplace the other day, this s-chip will cover ‘kids’ up to the age of 30! This like everything else is going to be passed. We don’t have enough true R’s to stop them.
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I do not ask this rhetorically, does something have to be costless to be rights?
Would you consider education a right?
Whom else do Dems claim will pay for what they give you?
Someone else.
The House and Senate leadership need to go on a “fact finding” trip to Gaza City. They might actually see firsthand the perils of despotism by committee. (Please don’t stop the fighting on their account.)
If they are so against smoking, and the problems that smoking is said to cause, then maybe they can set an example, and stop blowing it up our posteriors!
No. You have a right to express yourself but the gathering of knowledge on which that expression is founded should be your (and your family’s) responsibility.
How come Congress never says that free legal service is a right? And accounting service?
With Congress’s mountain of tax laws, citizens need legal and accounting help more than health care.
Democrat Rep. John Lewis is a living example of every black stereotype Hollywood, television and nasty people have ever made of black people. He is a blight on our race: the human race. But he is in Congress when cartoon characters, clowns and scoundrels abound.
Civil disobedience, resistance and out right opposition to all things government are looking better all the time. I have been “accepting” entirely too long, the bastards have pushed me as far as I am going to be pushed.
I’m with you.
Oh geeez. What a boondoggle. Here in Texas, a large majority of those covered under this giveaway are illegal alien children (anchor babies and illegals). And don’t tell anybody, but more than 1 mexican has crossed over the border to register their little rugrats too. This monster will grow to huge proportions. In 2008, the Texas commission running this welfare program, decided NOT ENOUGH people signed up for SCHIP in 2007. So, they started advertising (in English and Spanish) on raido and TV to get MORE peopel to sign up. Now that is something. We are so hard up to get rid of $, we now spend to advertise in hopes of giving more away!!! Once installed, it will remain until the republic craters.
I do not ask this rhetorically, either…is a representative elected to protect the rights of the people, or to be nanny, dietitian, moralist, and parent?
As adults, we have the right to make our own choices. These clowns have NO MORAL AUTHORITY to tell me anything, especially when they don’t practice what they preach.
Weary Citizen – but free stuff for illegals is working out so well in California!
My impression of the debate.
Here is the will of the DNC now shut up and vote.
All the people who like cute babies say aye…
All the child molesting monsters who want to make children suffer and die in pain say nay…
A few words about health care:
Receiving either is a priviledge. Access, on the other hand, is something we can strive for and call it a right. For example, most Americans consider that being barred from a school based on your color, sex, or religion is unamerican. This access falls in the category of a right. However, receiving a good education is not the same as having access to a school. We all know that good schools are hard to come by and only when parents put effort into such pursuit, can their children receive it. Same with health care. Most believe that when a sick man winds up in a hospital, that he should not be denied entry or treatment. That is something we already have. We also believe that American medical care should be of a high enough quality so that this sick man doesn’t get operated on by a student holding up a 50 year old manual in candlelight. Would you extend such a right to include free liposuction for all 16 year-olds whose primary residence is McDonalds? Is there enough money in the entire world to accomodate such treatments?
I have heard people mention that because there are so many uninsured, that there is not enough preventative medicine and consequently people wind up in emergency rooms more than they have to. I have heard that if they could see their doctors for well checks, that our overall health spending would be less. Statistics don’t support such statements. Among racial groups several studies have found that although blacks are more frequently uninsured than whites, they are more likely to see a doctor for yearly physical. Just think about it. A medical insurance means you pay for a piece of mind-that if something is wrong with you, you will not spend your whole life savings on getting medical treatment. This piece of mind does not translate into receiving more preventative medical care. If you have a serious condition and you care about your life, you will seek out help. No emergency room in this country will deny you entrance to the hospital if your condition is serious enough. We have laws against that. Once you are in the hospital, a social worker will try to help you either get medicate or figure out how you can pay for the treatment. If you cannot afford medications, the hospital will provide them for you. I know this because I work in a hospital and deal with this issue daily. Throwing money after ideas that not supported by reality, will only ensure the loss of this money. If you are honest about trying to fix a problem, then you need 1st make sure you understand the problem. Vague notions combined with emotional speeches are the domain of charlatans and scam artists.
I have written Gov. Perry’s office concerning the flagrant denial of Texan’s rights of representation by the 111th Congress, to whit “refusing to hold hearings and refusing to allow Republicans to add amendments”. I believe that Texas should begin exploring exercising it’s right to dis-associate itself from the union, as the federal government is running rampant over all Constitutional rights and guarantees.
Texas has stood alone as a Republic, and can do so again if this blatant denial of it’s citizen’s representatives is allowed to continue.
Can anyone say:
“He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.”:
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance:”
“For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:”
“For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments”:
“For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.”
Sound familiar? From the Declaration of Independence’s list of grievences against King George.
No, it is a legal requirement; at least to complete the 8th grade in my state.
In terms of health insurance there is no reason why health insurance cannot work like automobile insurance. That has worked well and effectively for years.
Bottom Line: If we had government sponsored health insurance, my 91 year old mother would have been condemned to death 4 years ago.
That is something everyone needs to understand. In a socialized system of healthcare, the ones who are the most helpless are disposed of through rationing. If you are not a producer, a revenue provider, for the state, you are not worth keeping alive.
Our Constitution was designed to protect citizens. Progressives want to divide us between desirables and the Untermenschen. It’s an evil thing.
Providing a government program to make sure all “children” under 30 have health insurance will simply make some parents pay more money to insure the children of those parents who do not wish to pay for their own kids insurance. How is this not a transfer of wealth? If you are an illegal immigrant, a doctor will not ask you for proof of residence status in either the office or hospital. You will not be denied treatment. However, you may need to seek this treatment in county hospitals or county clinics rather than on Park avenue. This is simply another transfer of wealth scheme from those who pay taxes to government agencies and their preferential beneficiaries-mainly relatives and friends. I really doubt that much of these funds ever get into the hands of those who trully need them.
If it is not in the Constitution it is not a “right” to be provided by the government. This country is so far in the toilet we can’t hear it flush anymore. NO MORE SPENDING–what part of the word “no” do these legislators NOT understand?
S-Chip funding should be backed off to the age of 12 so that all children are medically treated in their early years. After that they are the total responsilbility of their parents. Imagaine having a child and actually raising them without government interference!!
Not really. Public education primarily exists to provide investment-manufacturing with a skilled labor force, thereby benefiting the government by providing them with a lucrative tax base. Private ed, however, is another story (IMHO).
My cousin’s daughter works for me part time. Last year she made $15K with some work she can do in her home while she is a full time mom. It takes her about 3 hours a day to do this work for me. Her husband is unemployed (Michigan’s rate is over 11% now). He is on the extension because there are just no jobs there for people who don’t have college degrees here in Michigan. Hopefully, he can land one before that runs out.
Anyway, I priced health insurance for them this week. For me to insure my one part time employee’s family it was going to cost $1062 per month, about what she makes. I can’t afford that for a part time employee. But the State of MI says they make too much to get help for her 6 year old and 2 year old.
So who is getting SCHIP help? Isn’t this program designed for families like this? She was told by the state she could get a lot more help if she divorced her husband. But because this is a family with traditional values, this of course is not an option for them.
Something is terribly wrong with the system if a working poor family can’t get this help, yet they are looking for adults and illegal alien kids to be on this program? And the state is encouraging intact families to kick out the dad so the wife and kids can get help? What the F???!!!!
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Socialism moves forward. Watch history in the making! Then read the new history books due in 2016.
Cost is only part of the reason for principled opposition to socialized health care.
There is also the moral component: Is it morally right to confiscate money from those who lead healthy and productive lifestyles in order to pay for health care for those whose own choices — obesity, drug abuse, promiscuity, reckless behavior — have brought health problems on themselves?
But the main reason to oppose socialized health care is … it just doesn’t work.
NO! As Michelle indicated this is about the implementation of socialized health care. Nothing more. These new dems do not give a dm about you, your cousin, her kids, or any kids. They only care about changing the USA to a socialist state. (notice I said state not states).
Health care insurance, and the costs associated with it, will escalate with the expansion of this program. This will result in even higher premiums for those not on it. Of course, this squeeze will cause the expansion of the income limits and yet more increases in the size and scope of this program.
The government needs to get completely out of the health care insurance business. The governemnt has only made things worse by pricing services based on its own unlimited wallet which prevents the market to limit costs to what consumers can actually pay.
The government is making health insurance unaffordable for many, they are not making it cheaper or more available.
No individual can ever out spend the government for any service.
I don’t see a guarantee of education anywhere in the Constitution.
Nor do I see the government-run system of schools providing education with a laudable degree of quality.
JUST A REMINDER OF FUNDAMENTAL
Our constitution was written to limit the powers of the federal government. The guaranteed rights are only those with are enumerated.
Remember that please when discussing politics with trolls.
Sharply. Then again and again and again.
Until finally, the government has to take over health care because “the problem has gotten so big only the Federal Government can solve it.”
A tune we’re hearing a lot these days.
No, taxpayer-paid health-care is not a right.
But the point is irrelevant. This issue is about expanding taxpayer-paid health care to people who don’t need it (they already are covered) and to people who are not “children” as this plan’s name implies is its purpose.
I have seen first hand people scamming taxpayer-paid health care. It sickens me. No pun intended. A person is perfectly capable of working full-time and is offered such work, at a nice rate of pay. But that person refuses the work offer and only takes a minimal amount of hours so the benefits she gets won’t be terminated. Additionally, the doctor involved in the evaluation of this person’s “Condition” did not even do an examination. It was just rubber-stamped. If I could get the doctors name and turn him in I would, but I am also told the rubber-stamp method is permitted.
This situation is rampant.
So no…its not a right. I am sick of the BS sob stories. Go get a damn job and get your own health care.
Was HUGO in attendance to put in his two cents???
More illegal kids, more of these kids in schools, more dumming down of the electorate therefore insuring MORONS stay in office….Priceless!!!!
Exactly the plan. It will not take more than a couple of years from now. AND only a few years from that time we will learn to regret it, but alas it will be too late.
You mean I have a right to a college education? Why do I have to go through admittance? Why is the deal with the SAT scores? AND WHAT ABOUT THE COSTS PER HOUR?!?!!!
No sir, we are herded into classrooms and made to pass basic standards which have been constantly lowered to the point you can take a 5th grade test (GED) to pass high school. It has become exceedingly evident you have a right to keep your mouth shut if you know what is being taught is wrong. You also have a right to keep your mouth shut if you are a Christian and watch Islam and witchcraft – two religions – being forced on you.
Not really.
“Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
ECS
You forgot the latest amendment.
Amendment pelosi:
The constitution means whatever the hell I say it does and you peons can go pound sand.
Pfft – Boehner is up there crying for S-CHIP Lite. He’s no better than the Democrats.
That’s not an amendment! I just figured to stir the pot.
I don’t believe that there is a right to have me pay for your stuff (education, health care) without my agreement.
ECS
ECS
Where is the Republican leadership?
Why follow Nancy’s totalitarianism rules?
They should have every member rise to offer amendments for every bill until she is forced to turn off the cameras and lights once again, or reinstate honest debate, it’s the peoples house, not her empire!
Shut up, pay your taxes, and do what you are told.
/pelosi mode off.
CantCureStupid!!!! Where are you. We need you to do as you mentioned earlier, run against that moron Melancon. We have got to get him out of office. He voted for this crap also.
I would appeal that decision. That does not add up. I know people who have been on SCHIP who made more than that, (unless there is income you don’t know about) they should qualify. I know someone who contacted their Reps and Senators who were able to help them get SCHIP after being denied.
Elm Creek Smith said: (#35)
As I read it, the rights are retained by the people. (People have rights, the federal government has enumerated powers.) Further, by the tenth amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
So, in context of the original question by chapoutier asking if education were a right, it could be at the state level. It is not, nor is universal health care, at the federal level.
Health care = right?
Education = right?
You won’t die without education.
And yet they keep asking conservatives to jump on board and support the party. What sort of fools do they take us for? To hell with the hapless republicans. They can fund raise using democrap donor lists.
“In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: ‘If a man will not work, he shall not eat.’
We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right.
If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.”
~2 Thessalonians 3:6-15