Religious tolerance in Hollywood? What’s that?
Terrifically talented graphic novelist, video game designer, writer, and blogger Doug TenNapel has a must-read piece at Big Hollywood on his first-hand experience with Hollywood’s brand of “religious tolerance.”
Here’s the intro:
I once had a meeting with an executive regarding one of my graphic novels that had been optioned. This exec started the writer’s meeting with a few notes to change some rough spots in the story. This is normal procedure with my work. I have no problem with making these changes, since it’s part of the game given where I’m at in my career. They pay me lots of money so I like these execs when I’m sentenced to work with them. I was taken aback by the first round of notes that went something like this, “For starters, we’re gonna get rid of all this Christian shit from the story, right?”
The exec informed me that religious imagery didn’t sell to American audiences, that it was intolerant and it definitely didn’t export. This was before ‘The Passion of the Christ’ so I can forgive his ignorance of the world’s most popular religion, but it was the word intolerant that struck me. How was the inclusion of religion not tolerant while the removal of it was?
Doug’s website is here.
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Laughable. Show me any modern day gay rights organisation that supports pederasty.
You are a joke, right4life. You come on here and spout your inane Religious Right talking points. You pretend you understand science and use the tactics of the Creationism movements (confusion, muddling the facts, using overtly obscure scientific language to make yourself appear knowledgeable and to trick someone else into believing that you are). You spout your nonsense anti-gay talking points that you get from discredited “Family Values” organisations. Seriously, get your own mind.
just did wacko. any idiot knows that the gay community is all about recruiting young people to join their ranks…
I’ve known several gay people who were recruited while they were young…hell I was recruited, but declined their ‘invitation’
give me a break you pathetic piece of trash.
looks like you don’t read my posts, now do you?? hmmmm?? duhhhhhhh
I have an MS moron, how about you?? and anytime you to debate me about evolution, I’ll make you look like an idiot.
you know it and I know it
so why is NAMBLA a part of ILGA??? hmmmmmm???
Such nice words from you.
All I did was call your comment stupidly asinine (it is). Nothing personal to you.
But in any case I am glad you are judging the entire gay community based upon the actions of one subsect. I guess this means I am free to believe that ALL Christians believe that Jesus reappeared to Ancient Americans.
You even use the same put-downs over and over again. Are you free-thinking at all?
For the record, explain to me how there are gay people in Iran, for example. There are gay organisations that can “recruit” there, yet still, there exists homosexuality.
Ugh, I can’t believe I’m dignifying your profoundly ridiculous argument ….
ever wonder why the boy scouts is so hated by the gays??? hmmm?? why are the gays SOOOOO interested in the boy scouts and so DESPERATE to be scout masters?? hmmmmmm
can you ‘connect the dots’
Proof that “the gay community” is “all” about recruiting, please. Could you please cite to a credible study and not some anecdotes.
Just asking for evidence, that’s all.
you can call them whatever, you cannot dispute them. mr. know-it-all-lawyer…
post your proof….I just posted backup for what I said…why don’t you do the same???
hmmmm??
Ohhh…do tell…do they have glossy brochures? Do you get a free toaster?
That doesn’t qualify you in evolutionary science, I’m afraid. And I know you use websites like AnswersInGenesis.com to get your cunningly worded talking points in order to confuse the issue of evolution beyond recognition. It’s a common tactic of the religious right. It’s deplorable.
if the existence of NAMBLA, and the supporte they get from other gay groups is not enough…then nothing could be.
did you even read what I posted??? do you have ANYTHING to dispute what I posted??? hmmmmm???
uh I just did from 2 different sources.
The plural of anecdote is not proof, sweetie.
Anyone can find anyone to say anything. It does not mean you can ascribe that to whatever group the speaker belongs to.
and why would the gay rights movement say this:
hmmmmm???
why dont’ you try dealing with what I posted…oh I know you’ll just dismiss it…as ‘rabid right wing’ bblahblahbalhb
I posted proof ‘honey’ and what have posted boy?
lets see YOUR sources.
For example, I can google the interwebs and find plenty of Christians that think mixing the races is an abomination. I am not quite ready to ascribe that to the entie Christian community, however, because, you know…I have sense.
ok then explain the tuatara, which has the fastest molecular ‘evolution’ ever found….yet is a living dinosaur…
go ahead. but you can’t…you don’t have any darwiniac talking points for it…
and go ahead and explain convergent evolution…other than SHAZAM it happens…
MY SOURCES OF WHAT!!!! I AM NOT TRYING TO PROVE A DAMN THING EXCEPT HOW POORLY DEVELOPED YOUR ARGUMENT IS!
you really are laughable. that old ‘racism’ charge is laughable…is that the best someone who thinks they’re the smartest person on this site can do???
you dispute what I say…I’ve posted sources…the very existence of NAMBLA disproves what you say…truth hurts doesn’t it moron.
I’ve already posted several sources…you’re just upset that you cannot deal with what they say.
why are ignoring this chappy???
hmmmmmm?? can’t deal with it???
This response exactly proves you have no clue what I am talking about. If you think I was claiming racism, you are truly hopeless and pointless to argue with.
And I have no idea who is in “the room” but if any of James Felix, Aloha, Dimsdale, corkie, or any number of other posters here that also put you to shame, I can guarantee I am not, nor have ever claimed to be.
oh I know exactly what you were doing…imply christian ‘racism’ while trying to change the subject…why can’t you comment or deal with what I posted? you ignore it…while claiming I have no ‘proof’
but nothing would be proof to someone such as yourself.
you say NAMBLA and recruiting the young into the gay movement isn’t really a part of the gay movement…
then why this:
and why do you keep ignoring it??
where’d ya go OMU??? you’re supposed to explain the tuatara, and make me look foolish for doubting your hairygod darwin…
No I am not you simpleton. I am saying the exact opposite. I am saying that one cannot ascribe the beliefs of a marginal few to the groups to which they belong. Try to let that sink in before you post again.
A quick Google search of that reptile reveals that recent evidence shows the Tuatara to have changed significantly from the Mesozoic era. But I suppose you have another Creationism deceitful talking point to counter that?
I just proved they’re far from ‘marginal’ but you can’t deal with what i posted…
My two cents…I’m not sure why anyone is bothering to “debate” with omu. Omu has an agenda; he does not want equal rights for homosexuals, he wants special rights. Don’t bother quoting the constitution to him, don’t bother referencing thousands of years of history and religion (especially religion!), and face the fact that no evidence anyone submits will serve. Even were omu to quote a source, if someone else were to find something from that same source that ran counter to the crap he’s spewing, it still would not matter. He has learned the political correctness game well, in which all caucasians, all religions, and anything else counter to his worldview are racist/bigoted/evil/retarded/epithet of the day. The point I’m getting at here is that he is lost, common sense and logic are not of his universe, so it’s a complete waste of time debating anything with him. That said, omu will probably say something along the lines of “when did I ever say this/that, etc.,” to which I’d say a long history of reading his vitriolic and pointless accusations makes it quite clear. Yes, I could go through the logs and find many instances (hey, I could go through just this log alone and do that) but I’d be violating my own advice to others, which is, don’t bother debating the stump named emu! lol….and kudos to MM for again pointing out what liberal Amerikka practices yet refuses to admit.
really??? well post your proof…
link
OMU why don’t you do another google search about the following, and explain it to me….
since you’re such a ‘scientist’
this one too..
link
and none of these links are from answers in genesis…but of course you darwiniacs have to smear those you disagree with…its much easier than doing the science to disprove them…but you cannot…
and yes you darwiniacs are a bunch of brown-shirted fascists….just ask sternberg….
where’d ya go OMU??? I thought you were going to prove what a great ‘scientist’ you were and prove demonstrate your faith in the hairygod of evolution….
and yes I’m laughing at you…
I never claimed I was scientist. I know for a fact that you are NOT a scientist. Creationism would be laughable if it wasn’t for the fact so many impressionable Americans have been conned by the likes of you, right4life. I was merely curious about the Kuatara you kept bringing up, so I googled it and found cited evidence on this Wikipedia page. Which disproves whatever silly point you were dressing up with scientific words.
I am not going to further legitimise your warping and contorting of scientific fact to suit your own religious agenda.
Omu,
I like how you conveniently ignore posts and parts of posts and then respond with name calling. I should listen to the old advice and never argue with an idiot – people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
Did you read the BBC article about the acting prime minister of Chechnya advocating polygamy? Did you read the post that said you said polygamy should not be allowed – you conveniently left out a not, then responded to the now distorted sentence. And you have the temerity to call anyone inept?
You label all posters here as bigoted – which is a pretty bigoted statement to make. You call people names and accuse them of thoughts and motives that you can not possibly know. Are you just frustrated or really that immature?
At any rate it has been fun, but I must leave now.
Omu,
Just saw your last post – there is a huge difference between intelligent design theory and creationism. I would recommend watching the movie expelled – it is a little over the top comparing Darwinists with Nazis, but has some good solid points made by some very well educated, intelligent people – from both sides of the evolution/ID debate.
Now I really am leaving.
No you didn’t darling, but all things considered, I am not surprised you think you did.
What is the membership of NAMBLA, btw? Do you have those figures in front of you? Since they apparently represent the mainstream of gay thought, I’d imagine they are just flush with cash and members.
Seriously, your pitiful attempts at trying to tie NAMBLA to homosexuality as a whole are as absurd as me claiming the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of Christians.
Good night and good luck working through whatever issues you have.
I presume (from your poor grammar, spelling; juvenile insults and general childish demeanour ) that you a headstrong teenager and I assume you’ll look back on these absurd diatribes and rants with acute embarrassment. If you are in fact an adult, then I hope there is in fact a God for you require His help with great haste.
Last post was aimed squarely at right4life, obviously.
Pardon me – bird – but ‘we’ were here first. Go somewhere else that you feel more welcomed. Your kind would crash a prayer service and wonder why people got pissed at you.
Ignorant people…I tell ya.
I thought, Post #340 was self-referencing.
You asked if I am frustrated, after posting something like this? Of course I’m frustrated, I’ve spent the past few hours reading harmful nonsense like this.
Polygamy is not the issue here. I know you think you can tie it to gay marriage, but there is no rational logic to this. Polygamy is most actively practised in Utah, one of the, if not the, most anti-gay states in the country. It’s also actively practised in Texas, which is another state over which the anti-gay GOP has a firm grip. Polygamy is comparably rare in Massachusetts and Connecticut, the two states that allow gay marriage. Chechnya might be geographically in Europe, but it is very, very differnt culturally. And besides, Russia is enormously anti-gay also. There is no connection between gay marriage and polygamy WHATSOEVER. If anything, the places that do allow gay marriage have relatively little instances of polygamy, and when it does rear it’s head, it’s coming from Muslim countries, countries that are ALSO anti-gay. If any kind of logic can be drawn from this, it’s that gay friendly places have less polygamy than anti-gay places which I presume has to do with social progress and such.
For crying out loud, read that paragraph everytime you want to confuse this issue and blame polygamy on gay marriage. Polygamists have been trying to gain access to marriahe for years and we know that polygamy was commonplace among Christians in the past and is still practiced by Muslims and small numbers of Christians today. The issue is independent to gay marriage; LET. IT. GO.
Harmful nonsense is trying to justify a lifestyle and sexual preference contrary to natural law.
What natural law? Homosexuality exists in very many animals, and even in insects. It’s very obviously a part of nature. That much is undeniable.
People are the only ‘beings’ on the earth that are given the ability to choose and reason. Animals are just that…animals, and exibit ‘animal’ behavior. Humans are supposed to be a cut above the animal kingdom and are therefore given privileges to make choices based on not only common sense, but also morality.
Unless you buy into the theory of evolution. If so, then it is your choice to go act like an animal.
oh wow a WIKPEDIA PAGE!!! oh yes I bow your superior stupidity. laughable…oh and I noticed they used the word ‘evolution’ so that MUST mean its true….
your hairygod must be so disapointed in you…
oh wow a WIKPEDIA PAGE!!! oh yes I bow your superior stupidity. laughable…oh and I noticed they used the word ‘evolution’ so that MUST mean its true….
your hairygod must be so disapointed in you…
And one more thing, Omu, before I retire for the evening and go play with my kids and tuck them in for the night…
Christ died for your sins too. Do not ignore Him…He waits at your door also.
sure I did bottom boy, but you’re too busy bending over to get it…
and with all that I still manage to make you look idiotic…not that its very hard mind you….
your attempts to defend evolution are as good as your attempts to defend the gay lifestyle…
you know what they say…with friends like you…
It was all cited, as you can clearly see. If you choose to ignore that, that’s your problem, but you can stop using that Kuatara thing as a silly “gotcha” now.
You have not even one ounce of credibility anyway, but this comment totally destroys any shred of credibility you ever had.
With conservatives like you, right4life, it really is no wonder that the Republicans are taking such a pummelling all around the country right now.
you tell me, what was cited?? in detail..with references.
ya got nothing, sorry.
but it upset you, so it was well worth it.
uh mccain was much more like YOU than he was like me…
lets go back to my article, published in 2008…
In a study of New Zealand’s “living dinosaur” the tuatara, evolutionary biologist, and ancient DNA expert, Professor David Lambert and his team from the Allan Wilson Centre for Molecular Ecology and Evolution recovered DNA sequences from the bones of ancient tuatara, which are up to 8000 years old. They found that, although tuatara have remained largely physically unchanged over very long periods of evolution, they are evolving – at a DNA level – faster than any other animal yet examined. The research will be published in the March issue of Trends in Genetics.
so in other words, micro evolution does not ‘add up’ to macro evolution.
I don’t think the Omu is interested in facts, just ‘acts’. Best save your breath and keep your powder dry.
no he’s not…but I do enjoy baiting the trolls on occasion…its a weakness…
you sick and twisted soul…my kind of guy!
Right! Something demonstrable and repeatable = science. Theory is NOT science! A nice video of a poor theory is not proof of anything.
Throw a rock in water and it sinks = Science.
Throw a big enough rock at the earth and it will bounce off twice, put the earth on its proper axis and make it revolve properly = science fiction.
I have seen dozens of zombie videos and Emu said they exist is NOT science or fact of the existence of zombies.
I cannot even give you a nice try.
Good god, you people are STILL arguing with Emu? Get a life!
Throw an axe head into the water and it floats = a God thing.
AMEN jangar!
Cute. I enjoy posts like this that lay bare your pathology.
I think Omu was not loved properly as a small child…something went very wrong.
Just my opinion.
No, but one eating your freaking brain as you scream in agony because you make light of the threat will convince you otherwise.
I enjoy posts that reveal your stupidity…which is pretty much everything you post…
Well that is just not true. The very heart of science is the testing of theory. But theory, of course, is not fact. I think this is what you meant.
awwwwwww…..SNAP. You gots me there girlfrien’.
wishful thinking bottom boy.
Ah, Return of the Zombies…Gotta gas can and a match.
And Troll-Baiting…
right4life has amazingly and unwittingly stumbled on the perfect antidote to zombie attacks.
Just deny them what they love most.
Kudos, right4. Kudos.
Heh
sounds like you’re just desperate for my attention…
They say irony is good for the blood.
No, theory is not science. Testing your theory is. If your theory cannot pass the test of science, toss it. Many a theory has been disproved. Is that theory STILL good science? The science that brought the theory to its knees is what science is.
You are trying to tell me hamburger is made of ham because there is “ham” in the name (because turkeyburger has turkey in it and veggieburgers have veggies in them). Sorry, it does not pass the smell test.
EXperiments to prove something should be repeatable as well. Remember the cold-fusion hype years ago?
Okay. I get what you are saying in the first part. The second…..
……
…You lost me. Though it does remind me of an ongoing debate I have with my wife (who is just a beard of course since I am a “bottom”) about the true nature of a taco, which I insist must have meat. She says it can have refried beans instead. Sigh…
Yup. Remember they theorized the moon was made of cheese. Science? I think not.
Okay, for real. Remember they theorized the moon was created by volcanic activity? OOPS
Is that that razor with like six blades?
Don’t get started with ‘true’ chili debates, either.
In 4-dimensions as well…Actually they thought they created a nuclear fusion reaction at room temperature. No one else could make it work though.
I have a nice chili recipe (unless you are Texan, cause it does have beans) I got from a friend in college who spent a year developing it.
It has one secret ingredient that I think really adds a “je ne sais quois.” A subtle hint that no one can quite place, unless you know its there.
Of course, there is Einstein’s theory of Relativity which seems to be continually backed up by observations.
That’s the fun part of food experiments…have to work hard to screw up chili IMO
I am just saying; someone says something does not make it so (or science) any more than saying hamburger has ham in it because, comparatively, turkeyburger has turkey in it (fact) and veggieburgers have veggies in them (fact).
We will not even get into what is in a zombiburger.
Well, I guess I would have a bit more strict definition of the word “theory” than what you are saying. I would call your examples (the moon made of cheese/”ham”burger) conjecture rather than an actual theory. But now it is just a matter of semantics. I get what you are driving at.
Didn’t the last guy that created one live on the sun? Poof! Or was that “poof” the result of chaps chili?
I thought hamburgers were from Hamburg, Germany…And frankfurters from Frankfurt ? Your right though…Zombieburgers
They were ahead of the curve for green-energy program funding.
You say tomato I say chili…
You say zombie I say Emu…
LMAO
After reading some of the arguments on this htread I felt as if I had to dumb it down a bit!
Oh, look, it is almost midnight here. The sun will rise out of the Atlantic Ocean in the morning. At least that is how I observe it! So, fire comes from water is my theory! I love science!
Wow, lack of sleep does fun things to the brain. Later! Off to bed to dream about hottie vegetarian zombies.
Oh yes, I want to grant same sex, loving couples the right to get married just like everyone else and I’m the one who has a problem with love. Please.
“Omu” is the Japanese word for “Owl”, which is a bird, so trying to contort my username into meaning another bird in order to mock me only makes you look entirely simple minded. I doubt the majority of science-denying, gay hating commentators in this thread even know where Japan is, though, so I guess you’re excused.
I don’t hate you. In fact…and I repeat…
Well…
Most prop-8 postings have turned into a debate over religion. Now a post on religion has turned into a debate on prop-8.
At the center of it all is the same commenter. Coincidence? Doubt it.
Always pulling threads off topic in order to incite a back and forth flame fest… That is the real definition of a troll.
Still here Omu?
Haven’t gotten bored of arguing about ragingly stupid things? I have to be honest, after MM’s “treat atheists like trolls” and “some of my best friends are atheists” comments on FOX news (this was just before Christmas) I have mostly stopped coming to this site. I think MM owes an apology to her atheist readers, but I doubt we will get one.
Two things I’d like to throw in:
We can’t logically suppose a creator being (much less the Abrahamic one) any more than we can suppose a giant hamster ran really fast on his wheel and it broke, causing the Big Bang (I read that somewhere, very funny IMHO). There is exactly the same amount of evidence for both things, zero.
As far as evolution, anyone with any clue at all is aware of the following:
If man and animals were created on Earth all at once, you would see a cut off in the fossil record. That is, you would see layers upon layers of rocks with complex fossils, and that at some point there would be abruptly be no more fossils.
This is not what we see. The further you go down (back) the less complex fossils become. The only ways a creator can fit into these facts are if evolution were used as the means; or the creator muddled around with all different kinds of life to make it APPEAR that evolution occurred.
For me, there is some good that has come from reading this web site. I honestly never imagined that fundamentalists of the kind that post here were so common. It has been something of an eye opener to learn that so many otherwise intelligent people hold such radical and frankly, stupid, ideas. I really only thought I would find such things among Muslim radicals or perhaps, exceedingly uneducated people.
I am wondering if it’s a good idea at this point to suggest that we atheists (Chap, Omu, myself, and perhaps a few others) just leave this site? The loons here obviously don’t want us, and to be honest, MM has really irked me.
Just one of the countless things I could never understand in Sunday school. Why exactly does the creator of the universe require a human sacrifice (his own son no less) to cleanse the sins of the world? It makes no sense, and I am sick and tired of Christians pretending that they are somehow oppressed! It’s laughable. You have presidential candidates falling all over people like Rick Warren to one up the other guy on religion! Atheists are the ones that are not socially accepted and MM’s comments on FOX are just one example.
The more I think about my Christian upbringing and the Christian (and Jewish and Muslim) God in general. The more I can’t help but think He sounds positively horrible and undeniably cruel! Killing the first born of the Egyptians, Moses almost sacrificing Isaac, the flood, Soddam and Gomorrah, the list goes on.
How can anyone seriously still consider this as somehow rational and good intentioned? In my mind all three of the Abrahamic religions are on about the same level as far as making sense. No doubt (and I have first hand experience of this) Muslims are by far the worst, but the God they believe in has the exact same roots.
Does it ever occur to any of you that it is entirely possible that your whole religion is a lie based on some myths created by desert nomads, in turn based on Egyptian myths, propagated by a Roman emperor and exported the world over by force?
Does that give any of you pause, ever?
No, I have never gotten ‘pause’ from my G-d, zeroangel, but I would haved paused if I was taught what you wrote.
My G-d is neither cruel nor horrible, but, hey, Satan continues to do his job of taking his (satan’s) attributes & putting them on G-d.
I am not going to argue the very basis of christianity, which is not only answered in the reason why G-d had to sacrifice his son, but the resurrection of that son. Your question ‘why’ explains your atheism. I don’t care that you choose to not believe in any god. I would like for you to not care that I do.
Oh, and this?
explains more to me than the rest of your post.