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1. #1
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pm, bansharia said:

   thanks MM and min whip

2. #2
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

   Is it too late for me to sleep my way to the top? This work/save thing is tough.

3. #3
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, e-DigitalCameras said:

   Is there really any point in “fighting” anymore? Sorry, but I’m on the AllahPundit pessimism bandwagon… there’s no hope… not even audacity of hope.

4. #4
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, bansharia said:

   Note to Min whip:
   I would prefer what Americans are left in GOP walk out until next congress is in session. Why keep trying to prevent dems from themselves?
   Refuse to be part of the charade please.

5. #5
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm, bansharia said:

   Dig,
   no there is not walk away let them do what they will.

6. #6
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, lgm said:

   Already Obama and the Democratic Congress are governing better than Bush and the Republicans. It’s literally like day and night. Democrats announce bills publically and post full drafts with specific language so that the public can see and debate it before Congress votes. It gives time for right wing crazies to mount an opposition (as you are doing) so all points of view can be aired.

   One request — when it’s passed, please don’t whine that it’s totalitarian. It’s the will of the majority of Americans.

   They are writing in safeguards for the taxpayer. Recipients will be made public and held accountable. What a difference good government makes.

7. #7
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

   Sift through it here and here.

   Not sure I want to do that nor do I need to-just oppose it and everything else of the Thief class. Now I am back to the Conservative Underground and hope to ambush a troll.
   *Generational Theft Act of 2009
   *Henry Waxman ready to roll on Climate Change
   *’CHEERING’ AT THE WASHINGTON POST FOR OBAMA ARRIVAL…
   *Democrats (Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.))rolling out new Draft for Military and Alternative Mandatory Voluntary Service
   *Some of the sleaziest Cabinet Secretaries ever.
   * We have no reason to believe Obama was even born here
   *Supreme Court and thus our Constitution in the Balance

   It is not just our children’s money they want-they want our children and their country. Plenty to hate, fear and resist. Traitors in the GOP need to be put out to pasture FIRST and then the rest.

   I think I’ll order another block of ammo to celebrate Kenya Day.

8. #8
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, bansharia said:

   Dig,
   as far as AP he is a clown and I am not pessimistic about America to pull back now is a strategic position let them thin their own herd with no static or distractions. The GOP keeps saving dems from themselves and gets slammed for it.
   Dubya never met a bill he didn’t veto Dubya raised spending blah blah blah when in FACT GOP and Dubya held dems to lower spending than they wanted etc.
   WALK OUT go home talk to AMERICANS shake hands have meals CHAT hanging in DC is going to do nothing for America and it ain’t impressive. WALK OUT
   REGROUP

9. #9
   On January 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, bansharia said:

   AZ,
   ^20 let them have their day in the sun with no obstructions….

10. #10
    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pm, sonofdy said:

    LGM: Debate? Tell pelosi that. SUCKER!!!

11. #11
    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, alexwest said:

    I think we should call this the Bernard Madoff Stimulus Bill

12. #12
    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm, sonofdy said:

    Recipients will be made public and held accountable.

    Sure they will

    Just like the 700 billion from last year.

13. #13
    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, walterc said:

    I’m wondering how I get a job on the accountability board. That sounds like job creation I could get behind. /sarc

    So they have to create a new agency to oversee the massive expansion of all the other agencies?

    Gov’t run amok.

14. #14
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm, sdillard said:

    Food Stamps monthly allotments going up 13.6% (p 41) and $1.2 BILLION for “youth activities, “youth” being up to age 24 (p 130). Another billion for Head Start.

15. #15
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, sonofdy said:

    LGM’s idea of good governing involvs bankrupting the country I guess.

16. #16
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, Flyoverman said:

    One request — when it’s passed, please don’t whine that it’s totalitarian. It’s the will of the majority of Americans.

    If the American people had any idea what the ultimate effect this bill will have it would have been DOA. What is being attempted here is not without precident in history. It has been tried before. Name ONE TIME that it has succeeeded. It has not.

    The Democrats are like the Politburo, who were also disciples of a socialist system. They attempted to treat anemia with leeches. When the leeches failed they tried other varietes of leeches. But the result was the same, because a leech is a leech is a leech. After repeated use of leeches the patient died.

    There is no “Change” here; merely the re-application of an approach that has never worked in all of history.

17. #17
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, walterc said:

    There is no “Change” here; merely the re-application of an approach that has never worked in all of history.

    But this time it’s being tried by enlightened liberals led by THE ONE.

    It can’t fail.

    /sarc

18. #18
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, Independenstan said:

    “Mark Zandi projects that a $750 billion recovery package along the lines being proposed would raise GDP by $2.9 trillion over the next four years – about four times as much as the initial cost. He projects that GDP will be about $1 trillion higher in both 2011 and 2012.”

    Do you think that he knows the rate of GDP increase is greater if you simply cut taxes?

    I’m guessing not.

19. #19
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, bjc said:

    *The bill may pass the House and Senate, but it is still DOA as far as effectiveness; Looks as though Dems are going to overreach big time on many issues; Hope the GOP has a plan B for 2010.
    *Boehner has no cred; He voted for the first massive bailout, tossing the constitution aside; Next.
    *The RNC would be wise to bone up on the Fair Tax, spread the word, and make that the baseline for, as Sarah Palin would say, “We want to get on the side of the people, not in the way”.
    *PEBO is all there is as a firewall between this Congress overreaching and the American people, but since he is already destined to fail, the GOP has a golden opportunity to let conservative leaders like Jim DeMint and others take the lead and undo what Bush and the herd of RINO’s has done in ushering in all this socialism.

20. #20
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, sonofdy said:

    If the American people had any idea what the ultimate effect this bill will have it would have been DOA.

    The american people have been ignored for a long time by congress, which is why they enjoy the lowest approval rating in history.

21. #21
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pm, genso said:

    6 ENERGY EFFICIENT FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE FLEET
    7 PROCUREMENT
    8 For capital expenditures and necessary expenses of
    9 the General Services Administration’s Motor Vehicle Ac10
    quisition and Motor Vehicle Leasing programs for the ac11
    quisition of motor vehicles, including plug-in and alter12
    native fuel vehicles, $600,000,000

    I like this part. I want all government officials to have to drive those plug-ins.

22. #22
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, jjmurphy said:

    They are writing in safeguards for the taxpayer. Recipients will be made public and held accountable. What a difference good government makes.

    It must be quite nice in that fantasy world of yours. But, you are correct, the collectivists did win. I personally believe we have passed the tipping point toward collectivism. Too many voters now depend on the government for their living to turn it back. (I know, I’m in a pessimistic mood regarding the country, too. I’m NOT pessimistic about my family. Just in case FamilyMan reads this!)

23. #23
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pm, sonofdy said:

    I like this part. I want all government officials to have to drive those plug-ins.

    PELOSI’S new ride!!!!

    Any bets on how many congresscritters actualy drive these???

24. #24
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, right4life said:

    One request — when it’s passed, please don’t whine that it’s totalitarian. It’s the will of the majority of Americans.

    yeah the majority of germans voted for HITLER…so???

    you prove with every post that americans are uneducated and easily led…

    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, lgm said:
    Already Obama and the Democratic Congress are governing better than Bush and the Republicans. It’s literally like day and night. Democrats announce bills publically and post full drafts with specific language so that the public can see and debate it before Congress votes.

    really??? then why did the democRAT house just vote to strip the minority of any rights at all, and remvoe their ability to affect legislation???

25. #25
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, genso said:

    Any bets on how many congresscritters actualy drive these???

    Not them, nor their staffs, nor anyone associated with them. Only the small percentage of government employees who actually perform a function will use these wonderful POS’s.

26. #26
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pm, genso said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, lgm said:
    Already Obama and the Democratic Congress are governing better than Bush and the Republicans. It’s literally like day and night

    You’re right. It’s been night for the past two years since these folks took Congressional leadership. Still waiting for the “day” part.

27. #27
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pm, right4life said:

    They are writing in safeguards for the taxpayer. Recipients will be made public and held accountable. What a difference good government makes.

    these are the same people that voted for the AWFUL UNACCOUNTABLE TARP bill right???

    hope and change, more of the same…

28. #28
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, sonofdy said:

    these are the same people that voted for the AWFUL UNACCOUNTABLE TARP bill right???

    Yip.

29. #29
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pm, genso said:

    NATIONAL FOUNDATION ON THE ARTS AND THE
    8 HUMANITIES
    9 NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS
    10 GRANTS AND ADMINISTRATION
    11 For an additional amount for ‘‘Grants and Adminis12
    tration’’, $50,000,000, to be distributed in direct grants
    13 to fund arts projects and activities which preserve jobs in
    14 the non-profit arts sector threatened by declines in philan15
    thropic and other support during the current economic
    16 downturn

    Wonderful. Can’t wait to see this generation’s rendition of “Piss Christ”

30. #30
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, RedDog said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, lgm said:
    Already Obama and the Democratic Congress are governing better than Bush and the Republicans.

    That’s not governing, that’s actually called looting. Their subprime debacle has already cost American’s personal wealth to the tune of trillions. BTW anytime Republicans propose legislation, the Dems deliberately constipate the process. No surprise that crap is moving through the system now but it’s still….. crap. And to clarify, by their own admission, Democrats prefer to rule the people.

31. #31
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, genso said:

    $1,200,000,000 for grants to the States for
    youth activities, including summer jobs for youth:

    And they are increasing the age of what is considered “youth” from 21 to 24. I’m sure McDonald’s and Wendy’s will jump all over those grants.

32. #32
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, bjc said:

    *I wonder if lgm has been pulling the wagon or sitting in it; Any guesses?
    *Good government is minimum government; Always has been, always will be.
    *I’m not pessimistic; Like PEBO, I believe in “HOPE”; But my version is “hope for the best, but prepare for the worst”; And this time the worst comes with a guarantee, and I am prepared.

33. #33
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, genso said:

    OFFICE OF JOB CORPS
    For an additional amount for ‘‘Office of Job Corps’’,
    $300,000,000, for construction, rehabilitation and acquisition of Job Corps Centers
    

    I wonder if this is the start of O’s “Youth Corps”…?

34. #34
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, lgm said:

    Flyoverman said (#16):

    There is no “Change” here; merely the re-application of an approach that has never worked in all of history.

    Sweden — they did a bailout/stimulus about a decade ago and it seems to have worked great for them.

    The Iraq war contributed more the national debt than the stimulus package they’re talking about. Why don’t you call that “generational theft”? The Bush tax cuts also were generational theft — making our children pay our taxes for us.

    It seems that you call it “generational theft” only if get nothing for it. Infrastructure building is generational theft but tax cuts for the rich are prudent government?

35. #35
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:41 pm, rplatt said:

    This government will continue to steal from the people until they finally decide not to take it anymore. Until that time We’ll have a single party Marxist regime tearing us to pieces and destroying our free market economy.

36. #36
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, sonofdy said:

    The Iraq war contributed more the national debt than the stimulus package they’re talking about.

    EERRR wrong, and even if it were true, it was over 6 years. This spending bill will push up the defict more that the entire iraqi war in less than 1 month.

37. #37
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, fred5676 said:

    Maybe I can get some of the members of the Millionaires’ Club U.S. Senate to donate some of their estates to my new grandson, so he can pay his tax burden in the coming years.

38. #38
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, sonofdy said:

    but tax cuts for the rich are prudent government?

    Ask an economics professor about the increase in revenue this tax cut generated. You might want to get a math professor to help…

    oh wait…

39. #39
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, InCali said:

    Massive government spending has been tried before and has failed. Why do we think this will be any different? Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. 1930′s here we come!

    And yes, Bush’s deficit spending has been rightly criticized. Now everybody thinks an increase in deficit spending is a good idea?!!! I feel like I’m in Invasion of the Body Snatchers and everone has lost the ability to think logically.

40. #40
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, sonofdy said:

    Seriously, I want to see pelosi in a zap car.

    THAT would be cool.

41. #41
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, RedDog said:

    They are writing in safeguards for the taxpayer. Recipients will be made public and held accountable. What a difference good government makes.

    lgm, the government has been run by liberals or Democrats for most of the last 100 years, why did this “good government” not appear before now? It is government run by Democrats, primarily, which has caused and aggravated the current debacle.

    The best thing for government to do now is nothing but they have, as the Right Stuff astronauts used to say, “screwed the pooch” this time. I say let them do as they please, it’s too late for Republicans to find their spine and make a difference anyway. The Democrats have had free reign for the entire time so I don’t know why this situation is a surprise to anyone. Conservatives have rarely been an offset to their excesses over the years. We’re in a flat spin to hard core socialism. Good luck to you and all of us.

42. #42
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, genso said:

    lgm,

    Your political bias makes everything you say of no importance. You can not understand the nature of fiscal conservatism which spans all but the most liberal of political thought. You are neither an economist nor business person, merely an apologist and shill for abject liberalism at all costs. Truthfully, you have no practical concept of what is happening here nor even a simple curiosity for any opinion other than what you are spoon-fed by your masters. It is quite sad, actually.

43. #43
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, sonofdy said:

    Bush spending brought us to the edge of bankruptcy. obama spending is looking like it will kick us right over the edge.

44. #44
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, right4life said:

    Sweden — they did a bailout/stimulus about a decade ago and it seems to have worked great for them.

    oh please, europe has had hight unemployment and stagnant economies for years….japan tried this in the 1980s…led to the lost decade

    we tried this in the 1970s and 1930s…miserable failure every time…

45. #45
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, sonofdy said:

    Sweden also gets taxed at 47% plus.

    yay sweden.

46. #46
    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, genso said:

    SCHOOL MODERNIZATION, RENOVATION, AND REPAIR
    For carrying out section 9301 of this Act,
    $14,000,000,000

    This is the part where we “green up” our schools.

47. #47
    On January 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, allrsn said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, lgm said:

    Are you campaigning to be the most misinformed and uninformed poster on the net?

48. #48
    On January 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, Milwaukee Mike said:

    “This represents the largest effort by any legislative body in the world to take government action to prevent economic catastrophe,” Obey said,

    I’m afraid this is just the largest to date….More to come, no doubt.

49. #49
    On January 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, genso said:

    OK, Michelle…I read through most of it. I’m gobsmacked by the breadth and scope of the whole thing. It seems that most of the actual job “creation” will be in the government sector. The job “savings” part will be in the private sector. And, of course, that number will be whatever they want it to be.

50. #50
    On January 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    lgm spent both Bush checks – did not retun them with a note saying “No thanks”.

51. #51
    On January 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm, sonofdy said:

    OK, Michelle…I read through most of it

    I just did a search on the character “$”. That was enough.

52. #52
    On January 15th, 2009 at 5:46 pm, graysonret said:

    I am sorry for my grandchildren. They will never know the liberty and freedom that I and my parents grew up with. By the time this “bailout” finishes, the politicians would have achieved their real goal, domination of the economy and business. Just did my taxes today (I file early). Of course, I get a refund…from the interest-free loan I was forced to give the government in 2008. Still, a lot of money left my paycheck, without my permission, over the past 12 months. I suspect the “legal theft” will continue at even a higher rate, in 12 months. I wonder how much my grandchildren will pay? As in other socialist societies, will they be robots in a pc 1984 world, like European and Canadien countries? I wonder if the majority of citizens really care anymore…

53. #53
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:01 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    Expanding on what genso said earlier—

    $3.5 billion (SEC. 9301. 21ST CENTURY GREEN HIGH-PERFORMING PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES, p.183 of recovery bill):

    (m) GREEN SCHOOLS.—
    10 (1) IN GENERAL.—A local educational agency
    11 shall use not less than 25 percent of the funds re-
    12 ceived [i.e., 25% of the $14 billion allocated, per p.171] under this section for public school mod-
    13 ernization, renovation, or repairs that are certified,
    14 verified, or consistent with any applicable provisions
    15 of—
    16 (A) the LEED Green Building Rating Sys-
    17 tem;
    18 (B) Energy Star;
    19 (C) the CHPS Criteria;
    20 (D) Green Globes; or
    21 (E) an equivalent program adopted by the
    22 State or another jurisdiction with authority over
    23 the local educational agency.

    Sec. 9301, p. 175:

    (B) STATE ADMINISTRATION.—A State
    5 may reserve up to 1 percent of its allocation
    6 under subparagraph (A) to carry out its respon-
    7 sibilities under this section, including—
    8 (i) providing technical assistance to
    9 local educational agencies;
    10 (ii) developing, within 6 months of re-
    11 ceiving its allocation under subparagraph
    12 (A), a plan to develop a database that in-
    13 cludes an inventory of public school facili-
    14 ties in the State and the modernization,
    15 renovation, and repair needs of, energy use
    16 by, and the carbon footprint of such
    17 schools; and
    18 (iii) developing a school energy effi-
    19 ciency quality plan.

    Federally-funded indulgences carbon offsets a’comin’?

    And in SEC. 9302. HIGHER EDUCATION MODERNIZATION, RENOVATION, AND REPAIR. (25% of $6 billion ($1.5 billion), per p. 192)—

    Sec. 9302, pp. 189-190:

    (C) PRIORITY CONSIDERATIONS.—In
    15 awarding subgrants under this section, each
    16 State higher education agency shall give pri-
    17 ority consideration to institutions of higher edu-
    18 cation with any of the following characteristics:
    19 (i) The institution is eligible for Fed-
    20 eral assistance under title III or title V of
    21 the Higher Education Act of 1965.
    22 (ii) The institution was impacted by a
    23 major disaster or emergency declared by
    24 the President (as defined in section 102(2)
    25 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief
    1 and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C.
    2 5122(2))), including an institution affected
    3 by a Gulf hurricane disaster, as such term
    4 is defined in section 824(g)(1) of the High-
    5 er Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C.
    6 11611–3(g)(1)).
    7 (iii) The institution demonstrates that
    8 the proposed project or projects to be car-
    9 ried out with a subgrant under this section
    10 will increase the energy efficiency of the in-
    11 stitution’s facilities and comply with the
    12 LEED Green Building Rating System.

    Also on p. 192 (Permissible Uses of Funds):

    (I) Installation or upgrading of renewable
    12 energy generation and heating systems, includ-
    13 ing solar, photovoltaic, wind, biomass (including
    14 wood pellet), or geothermal systems, or compo-
    15 nents of such systems.

    I know, a few billion dollars here is small potatoes compared to the bailout money totals, but I gotta say—Al Gore, you magnificent b*****d…

54. #54
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, genso said:

    I just did a search on the character “$”. That was enough.

    Yeah…I’m a glutton for punishment, I guess. I think the next bubble to burst is the “Bureaucracy Bubble” given the myriad new levels of government this thing creates.

55. #55
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:06 pm, Drews2Cents said:

    .01 How the hell are “green” schools going to improve the quality of education?

    Construction has been the hardest hit industry and occupation in this recession. In just the last
    year, construction employment has plummeted by 1.3 million workers, from 9.3 million to 8.0
    million while unemployment among construction workers far exceeds that in any other
    occupation.

    .02 Sooooo… Are we talking documented or undocumented construction workers? I didn’t see any safegaurds for documented construction workers anywhere in this decorative piece of toilet paper.

56. #56
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm, genso said:

    .02 Sooooo… Are we talking documented or undocumented construction workers? I didn’t see any safegaurds for documented construction workers anywhere in this decorative piece of toilet paper.

    Seriously, the “undocumented worker” is the salvation of the Social Security bust that’s coming. No one will admit to it, but that’s the basis for it.

57. #57
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:14 pm, JT said:

    lgm is the reason all close relatives of mine are not allowed to attend NYU. Every school listed on the support Bill Ayers petition is banned too.

58. #58
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:17 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, bansharia said:

    AZ,
    ^20 let them have their day in the sun with no obstructions….

    Obstructions aplenty. Right now we can not stop ANY of their individual plans-some they may scale back as faux compromise; ie: “reasonable gun laws”, Fairness Doctrine, ‘Not everything we wanted on the environment”.

    With the make up of the House, Senate , White House coupled with traitors and cowards in the GOP we can not stop them at this junction-be can be obstructionist, make war within the Party against the RINOs and work on 2012. In the meantime

    And should worse comes to worse- other actions.
    Ruby Ridge.

59. #59
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm, docflash said:

    lgm has convinced me that he is a sheep.A member of the Dem flock.Agrees with whatever they say or do and thinks it is right.When they shear him he does not protest or mind,maybe even likes it.

60. #60
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:24 pm, lgm said:

    sonofdy said (#38):

    Ask an economics professor about the increase in revenue this tax cut generated.

    Paul Krugman is an economics professor and a winner of the Nobel Prize in economics. He thinks the Bush tax cuts were bad for the economy and the Obama stimulus should be bigger than it is. Most economics professors agree with Krugman. Laffer is a laughing stock among economics professors.

    genso said (#42):

    You can not understand the nature of fiscal conservatism …

    Anyone who supported Reagan and Bush, Jr. has forfeited the right to claim fiscal conservatism.

61. #61
    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, genso said:

    Anyone who supported Reagan and Bush, Jr. has forfeited the right to claim fiscal conservatism.

    You are so lame as to be laughable. Yet, again, you show a complete lack of any sense of sophistication or depth of the subject.. This lack of sophistication shows in every word and assumption you make. To you, a personal attack is your only recourse. Please, stop making yourself seem so pathetic. As I said before, it is very sad to see.

62. #62
    On January 15th, 2009 at 7:09 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, genso said:

    lgm,

    Your political bias makes everything you say of no importance.

    genso,
    Trust me. Don’t waste your time on this self-worshipping reprobate. He can’t defend his positions because his thoughts are sound-bite deep. Put another way, if lgm’s mind was a river, you’d better have a flat bottom boat.

63. #63
    On January 15th, 2009 at 7:11 pm, genso said:

    Put another way, if lgm’s mind was a river, you’d better have a flat bottom boat.

    Too funny. Sad….but funny, too.

64. #64
    On January 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Forget it.

    Let it all crash to the ground.

65. #65
    On January 15th, 2009 at 7:50 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Sweden — they did a bailout/stimulus about a decade ago and it seems to have worked great for them.

    No it didn’t! Businesses were fleeing the country until they loosened up and allowed a little more capitalism 2 years ago. That’s what fixed them.

66. #66
    On January 15th, 2009 at 7:54 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Most economics professors agree with Krugman. Laffer is a laughing stock among economics professors.

    OK, now I *know* you’re just making stuff up.

    But just for kicks, I’ll toss in a Friedman against your Krugman. That’s a Nobel -v- Nobel match.

    And Krugman’s prize winning theory had absolutely nothing to do with stimulus spending. Friedman’s did.

67. #67
    On January 15th, 2009 at 7:55 pm, genso said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 7:50 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    And if we are left to compare ourselves to Sweden, then we truly are in trouble.

68. #68
    On January 15th, 2009 at 9:03 pm, huggybear said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, genso said:

    You are so lame as to be laughable. Yet, again, you show a complete lack of any sense of sophistication or depth of the subject.. This lack of sophistication shows in every word and assumption you make. To you, a personal attack is your only recourse. Please, stop making yourself seem so pathetic. As I said before, it is very sad to see..

    Here, it looks like you could use a little help.

69. #69
    On January 15th, 2009 at 9:09 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    And if we are left to compare ourselves to Sweden, then we truly are in trouble.

    Hey, I am old enough to remember when other countries used to compare themselves to us.

70. #70
    On January 15th, 2009 at 11:13 pm, Sanddog said:

    Holy sh*t. So far I’ve only made it through about 3/4 of this pig and it looks like a big wet kiss to Obama supporters. Millions of dollars for “oversight” to every agency means more government workers.

    This is very, very ugly. There’s nothing here that will actually help that portion of America that provides the jobs we have today. They’re going to get squeezed even more.

71. #71
    On January 16th, 2009 at 12:04 am, Freddy said:

    Other than the couple of billion for the small business admin, I just dont see any actual stimulus in this. Out here in Cal, the education and healthcare components have already been spent, in advance, by the foolish democrats in the local legislation.

    Within 6 months, expect to start hearing about yet another ‘stimulus’ cause this one has no chance of helping anyone.

    I wonder how they concluded that this creates any jobs? All I can see are handouts for existing police/fireman/teacher/whatever unions. I see nothing to indicate any new jobs beyond the handfull of administrative posts. And the 250+ million I saw there was not going to go very far at all.

    It was alsoamusing how they are pretending there are all these ‘green jobs’ being created, but at best, those would be several years out, IF even then.

    They mention that they will not just be planting solar panels in the desert without it being proven to be financially viable, and since solar power simply is not financially viable, I just do not see it happening.

72. #72
    On January 16th, 2009 at 12:43 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 11:13 pm, Sanddog said:

    Holy sh*t. So far I’ve only made it through about 3/4 of this pig and it looks like a big wet kiss to Obama supporters. Millions of dollars for “oversight” to every agency means more government workers.

    Is anyone thinking of how we are going to pay for all of these new workers once the economy recovers and then crashes on the next recession? The costs go will up but the hole we’re in is just going to get deeper.

    We are going to be stuck, not only with bureaucratic ineptitude, but an entire generation or two of idiots that have been taught to be spoonfed by these liberal morons.

    We may be the first empire in history, that wasnt destroyed by outside forces, but from its own internal stupidity (without even a civil war to blame). pathetic

73. #73
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:24 am, Send_Me said:

    On January 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, lgm said:

    Please, show me one example of Keynesian economics working any time in history. It didn’t work out too well in the 1920s and 30s in the U.S. It failed in the U.S. in 70′s. Argentina and Zimbabwe didn’t have much luck either.

74. #74
    On January 16th, 2009 at 10:39 am, ICBMMan said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 12:43 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Is anyone thinking of how we are going to pay for all of these new workers once the economy recovers and then crashes on the next recession? The costs go will up but the hole we’re in is just going to get deeper.

    We are going to be stuck, not only with bureaucratic ineptitude, but an entire generation or two of idiots that have been taught to be spoonfed by these liberal morons.

    We may be the first empire in history, that wasnt destroyed by outside forces, but from its own internal stupidity (without even a civil war to blame). pathetic

    Maybe it’s time to create a civil war (i.e., revolution) to see if we can take back our country from these idiotic, retarded morons. I’d be willing to bet that many soldiers in the military would be split, so we could actually have a well-trained group to back us up.

    I know, I’m sounding like a crazy loon, but it is obvious that the other “civil” means of changing our government for the better are not working: voting for the right candidates, letters, phone calls, emails, and protests. Nothing is working outside of sheer physical force. A revolution sounds crazy and extreme, but I see no alternative that will work anymore. We are past the point of no return.

75. #75
    On January 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am, Weary Citizen said:

    I wonder how they concluded that this creates any jobs?

    To steal a line from Mel Brooks’ “History of the World”, “beggars begging from beggars”. Creating gov’t jobs will relieve temporary short term employment problems. However, the gov’t, and all its employees, is funded through taxation on the private sector. So growing gov’t without growing the private sector over the longer term (a decade or so) will leave the gov’t coffers bare. Therefore, the gov’t must then tax its own employees even more to pay for those same employees payroll. Beggars begging from beggars!!! If a business could survive by being its own customer, we would all be rich.

76. #76
    On January 16th, 2009 at 11:56 am, DBNinKY said:

    Most economics professors agree with Krugman.

    But the thinking majority of them do not; it works both ways, my man!

77. #77
    On January 17th, 2009 at 11:00 am, Jeff2161 said:

    Most economics professors had no idea the economy was going to crash either. No mea culpas from them either.

78. #78
    On January 18th, 2009 at 12:44 am, Sanddog said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 12:04 am, Freddy said:

    Other than the couple of billion for the small business admin, I just dont see any actual stimulus in this.

    There is nothing in this legislation that helps the majority of small business owners. Increasing capital expenditure write offs from 125k to 250K? Whoop de freakin do. That is not going to help businesses that have an ever shrinking customer base thanks to a very soft economy. My friends and associates who are small business owners and democrats are not even remotely impressed. Credit is tight, customers are slow to pay and the IRS is beating on their doors demanding their monthly tribute.

    Maybe we all ought to just shrug.