Buy a house, get citizenship?! Yes, it’s true

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 16, 2009 01:56 PM

A reader sent along a story published in a Bulgarian newspaper about an outrageous-sounding scheme offered to foreigners: Invest in real estate. Win American citizenship. Yes, it’s true. And I’ve told you about it before. More on that in a minute.

From Bulgaria:

Investment in real estate in US guarantees a green card
16:58 Thu 15 Jan 2009 – Nick Iliev

The purchase of a piece of property in America, a single-family house, a PUD (planned unit development) or a condo (flat within a condominium) will guarantee you and your family a green card. This is one of the extreme measures implemented to help stall the meteoric fall of the United States economy in light of the economic crisis, Bulgarian weekly Stroitelstvo Gradut reported on January 15.

Thirty-five accredited investors will have the opportunity to acquire real estate in the south-eastern state of Florida – by purchasing a house – they will be granted a green card for permanent residence and right of employment for the buyer himself and his/her entire family.

Additional conditions are that the prospective buyer must have a clean criminal record, a good credit record, the ability to present and prove a decent monthly income, and no outstanding financial obligations or credit liabilities. The purchase itself can be done either with cash, bank transfer or monthly instalments, but the financial resource must be proven legitimate.

The US government has allocated 10 000 such visas nation-wide for potential investors in real esate, under a programme approved by the US Congress. Florida’s is the first such programme that has actively been given the green light to commence. Specialists in the field argue that this is the best time to invest and purchase property in America, as prices in some states have been slashed by as much as 25 per cent. Experts argue that within three years’ time, however, the market will stabilise and prices will rise.

Would Congress really approve such a money-grubbing and potentially dangerous scheme?

You betcha. I first reported on the EB-5 program eight years ago this month and blogged about it 2 years ago. You will not be surprised to learn who the supporters of the program are. God save us from bipartisanship.

Flashback:

Jan. 24, 2001
American citizenship for sale?
Michelle Malkin

In his inaugural address, President George W. Bush issued a call to reinvigorate citizenship: “We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests, and teach us what it means to be citizens. Every child must be taught these principles. Every citizen must uphold them.”

Bush can do his part by eliminating one of the greatest abuses of American citizenship: the immigrant investor visa program. It has spawned a niche market in skirting laws, scratching backs, and selling out.

This fraud-ridden scheme was created under an obscure section of the 1990 Immigration Act, signed by Bush’s father. Known as the EB-5 law, it allows wealthy foreigners to purchase green cards by investing between $500,000 and $1 million into new commercial enterprises or troubled businesses. After two years, foreign investors, their spouses, and children all receive permanent resident status – which allows them to contribute to U.S. political campaigns and provides a speedy gateway to citizenship.

Making political access and the privilege of citizenship available to the highest foreign bidder offends the very ideals Bush wants to promote. Arkansas Senator Dale Bumpers, a longtime critic of the program, noted: “All you need is green. You do not have to know anything about the poor and huddled masses that Emma Lazarus wrote about…How crassly we demean this precious blessing we call citizenship.”

Supporters of the program claimed it would attract substantial overseas investment to aid struggling American businesses. But the benefits of this economic development plan have gone mostly to former Immigration and Naturalization Service officials, who formed lucrative limited partnerships to cash in on their access.

Here’s how the racket worked: Immigrant investors paid token fees to these partnerships. The partnerships secured promissory notes for the remainder of the foreign investments, which were forgiven after investors received their permanent green cards. Former INS employees, working for these partnerships, aggressively lobbied their old colleagues to accept such bogus financial arrangements. As a result, according to an internal U.S. Justice Department investigative report, “aliens were paying $125K” instead of the required $500,000 to $1million minimum, and “almost all of the monies went to the General Partners and the companies who set up the limited partners.”

A Baltimore Sun investigation last year found “only a tiny fraction of the money ever made it to the companies seeking assistance.” Many of the distressed U.S. firms that the program intended to help have closed because they never received promised funding.

Steven Perlman, a New York City immigration lawyer who sued the government to disclose parts of the internal investigative report, told me last week that the EB-5 program became a “money-making machine.” That wouldn’t have been possible, Perlman notes, without political protection. One INS document indicates that officials worried about keeping “promises to the Hill.” When the agency finally moved to end fraud, “influential Members of Congress protested,” according to the New York Times.

Key supporters of the immigrant investor visa program included Democrat Sens. Paul Simon and Ted Kennedy. Republicans embraced it, too. Prescott Bush, W.’s uncle, was on the board of American Immigration Services, one of the leading visa vendors. So was former President Bush’s INS commissioner, Gene McNeary. And leading GOP Sen. Mitch McConnell worked closely with the woman who was instrumental in drafting the EB-5 law: Maria Hsia, a McConnell donor who later laundered more than $100,000 in illegal donations to the Democratic National Committee through a California Buddhist temple.

At the time Hsia was working for McConnell and others on the immigration bill, she also worked for a campaign fund-raising group called the Pacific Leadership Council. Hsia co-founded the PLC with Lippo Bank officials John Huang and James Riady, the chief figures in the Clinton-Gore Donorgate scandal convicted of campaign-finance crimes. At least six Lippo Bank officials have reportedly benefited from the EB-5 law.

Was this visas-for-sale program established to launder foreign funny money into our political system? We may never know for sure, but President Bush should shut down this suspicious pipeline now and stop the shameless pimping of Lady Liberty.

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  1. #593392
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    I’d just as soon see these houses go to American citizens already in the country!! We need less incentives for foreigners to come here we have enough and need to close off all immigration both legal and illegal for the next several decades in MHO….our infrastucture and limited resources cannot continue to survive with the unlimited influx of immigrants….

  2. #593393
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, Tacitus said:

    You know I used to think there were some levels that even congress was incapable of sinking to…Silly me.

  3. #593395
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:05 pm, Freddy said:

    Sounds like a scam on foreign investors to me.

    We better get the possible victims over here right away to testify. Now, to keep the burden down for the taxpayers we can have each of the witnesses kick in a few bucks towards the new Obama generational theft act of 2009. And, seeing how we are gonna have this new amnesty, there is no reason for those patriotic enough to turn in foreign criminals in foreign countries to go back!

    It is possible to make almost everyone happy!

  4. #593398
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    You know I used to think there were some levels that even congress was incapable of sinking to

    Obviously, the level to which congress can sink has not yet been reached. I fear new lows are just around the corner.

  5. #593403
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    My father in law (mi suegro) is from Mexico.

    He came legally. As did his brother. My wife’s Dad, sadly, votes Demonrat, but his brother, my wife’s Tio Fito, votes Republican.

    BTW, about deporting immigrants and their children, per Wiki, Mrs. Malkin’s parents came to this country on student visas. You aren’t suggesting deporting Mrs. Malkin’s parents, are you?

    Moby much?

  6. #593407
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pm, Michelle Malkin said:

    Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul

    The troll has been banned.

  7. #593413
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    I’m all for legal immigration, as long as the number of immigrants are limited to an amount the USA can safely absorb and assimilate. Not assimilate in such a way that people of Irish ancestry like myself can’t drink beer on St. Patrick’s Day, or people of Mexican ancestry can’t call their children “mija” or “mijo” and hit piñatas at parties, or Slavs can’t enjoy Frankie Yankovic music. (Guilty pleasure alert- I’m not a Slav, and I like watching Frankie Yankovic videos on U-Tube).

    But I’d like at least a fair number of immigrants to be selected based on what they can do for the USA as much as what the USA can do for them. Doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers.

  8. #593416
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:24 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    Well, I hate the idea as well and think it stinks. However, if I have the choice of taking the 50K lottery visa immigrants, who could be an uneducated illiterate non english speaking kid producing welfare recipient with good luck, or these guys form Bulgaria who can afford to purchase a house (please don’t tell me they also can have HUD $), I will take those with a little $ to buy a house. At least that plan provides some minimal standards for immigration. If we don’t overhaul the immigriaotn system and reduce the nubmers and apply reasonable minmal standards, this country is doomed.

  9. #593418
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    So this is what our elected officials are doing on our behalf? This makes me sick.

  10. #593427
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    If we don’t overhaul the immigriaotn system and reduce the nubmers and apply reasonable minmal standards, this country is doomed.

    The only overhaul we’ll see is to let anyone and everyone come here after everyone already here is granted citizenship. There is no way in hell the current congress will do anything remotely close to what would be good for this country. They want immigrants on the voter roles. Period. Whatever it takes to get those votes, they will do. What’s best for the country is irrelevant. What’s best for themselves is all that matters to them. That’s the reality of this issue.

  11. #593436
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Unfortunately, you are correct. The combination of the pols greed for power, the need to continue the SS ponzi scheme, businesses desire for cheap labor AND a larger domestic consumer base, PC, ethnic greivance group’s demands, chain migration, shift of the demographics and voter base from self reliance to socialsim, etc has put us on a path we will not deviate from. Until it is too late of course.

  12. #593437
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, edelweiss said:

    #1
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    I’d just as soon see these houses go to American citizens already in the country!! We need less incentives for foreigners to come here we have enough and need to close off all immigration both legal and illegal for the next several decades in MHO….our infrastucture and limited resources cannot continue to survive with the unlimited influx of immigrants….

    It won’t happen. This country won’t survive a single day without immigrants.

    IMO we should increase the annual quota-based H-1B visas and attract more foreign students from China, Africa, India and Middle East. For example, at my university: Johns Hopkins (and other leading schools: Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, Yale), the majority of science and engineering doctoral degrees are awarded to foreign students.

  13. #593442
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, tonyr951 said:

    Make sure they don’t have to prove employment or income.

    Wait, we just tried that.

    Never mind.

  14. #593455
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    edelweiss said:

    It won’t happen. This country won’t survive a single day without immigrants.

    Why not?

    You recall that manufacturing plant that got caught employing 500+ illegals? After they were rounded up, the manufacturer was inundated with job applications from us citizens. Seems the jobs illegals steal from Americans… Americans actually DO want.

  15. #593461
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:57 pm, RedDog said:

    This behemoth called the federal government is simply too large, corrupt and invasive to ever reform or manage effectively. It has taken on a sentient life of it’s own that even the crooked politicians can’t control, they only ride it to extract the maximum personal benefit. When they’ve had their fill, they bail off the beast and other crooks take their places. I believe we are looking at a system that is poisoned and unredeemable. You can’t take out the leaven once it’s in the bread.

  16. #593464
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, edelweiss said:

    It won’t happen. This country won’t survive a single day without immigrants.

    IMO we should increase the annual quota-based H-1B visas and attract more foreign students from China, Africa, India and Middle East. For example, at my university: Johns Hopkins (and other leading schools: Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, Yale), the majority of science and engineering doctoral degrees are awarded to foreign students.

    saying that the country won’t survive without immigrants is just plain wrong. It survived just fine until liberals opened up the flood gates to cheaper labor and business saw the benefits to their bottom line at the expense of the legal American worker. Open up the schools to “American” students and give them the ability to attend school on an equal footing rather than providing incentives to foreigners. Report after report shows visa fraud on a massive scale in all types. We have almost 30 different visa programs. With few exceptions we have no need for that many visa programs….go watch Roy Beck’s immigration gumballs..it will enlighten you to the need to reduce not increase our population!!

  17. #593467
    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:59 pm, walterc said:

    Given the amount of money available to Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood etc. I can see this as a great way to import more terrorists.

    Just because someone from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Somalia, Indonesia etc etc etc doesn’t have a criminal record doesn’t mean they aren’t terrorists.

    Why bother with the charade? Just open the borders and let them all in. Look how well it worked for the E.U. /sarc

    Load more ammo, civil war part deaux is not far away.

  18. #593475
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, Socky said:

    The troll has been banned.

    Dang it, I hate it when I miss a troll-banning.

  19. #593478
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:03 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Johns Hopkins (and other leading schools: Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, Yale), the majority of science and engineering doctoral degrees are awarded to foreign students.

    Actually, edelweiss and I agree on something. The whole illegal torrent has taken the discussion away from serious immigration reform. I would approve of giving every science and engineering PhD a visa along with their diploma. The brainpower (and subsequent job creation) would improve this country economically – and if you like diversity, there you go. Keep illegals out, rationally choose those we want and increase the number of those we let in.
    Politicians unfortunately simply want to buy votes by pandering to the illegals.

  20. #593480
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    The troll has been banned.

    Which one? Chap – are you there?

  21. #593486
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:07 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Open up the schools to “American” students and give them the ability to attend school on an equal footing rather than providing incentives to foreigners.

    The schools are there. They will provide economic assistance. Unfortunately, many Americans do not take advantage of the opportunities that exist. Study hard, get good grades, doors will open.

  22. #593487
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, Socky said:

    Keep illegals out, rationally choose those we want and increase the number of those we let in.

    Whereas congress would rather increase the number of illegals we let in, and keep those we would rationally choose to stay out.

  23. #593491
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Of course that will work. Put nothing down by the house, make some payments, get your green card then default, and be on your way. Think anyone in the Obama world will do anything? Heck no, because by 2012 ACORN will have already registered them to vote.

  24. #593507
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:14 pm, FamilyMan said:

    We’re a sovereign country. We can accept who we want. Bring in the high achievers and the hell with world opinion.

  25. #593511
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:14 pm, chapoutier said:

    Which one? Chap – are you there?

    Sorry to disappoint you, Aloha. I remain off the radar screen.

  26. #593514
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:15 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Whereas congress would rather increase the number of illegals we let in, and keep those we would rationally choose to stay out.

    Exactly. It’ll drive you crazy if you let it.

  27. #593516
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:15 pm, FamilyMan said:

    The troll has been banned.

    Darn!
    I missed the fun.

  28. #593518
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:16 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Sorry to disappoint you, Aloha. I remain off the radar screen.

    Stealth. I approve.

  29. #593519
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:16 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Study hard, get good grades, doors will open.

    A concept that too many American students and their parents don’t appear to understand.

  30. #593525
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, b-cat said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, Socky said:
    Dang it, I hate it when I miss a troll-banning.

    Me, too(I always do). Who was it?

  31. #593536
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:21 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Whereas congress would rather increase the number of illegals we let in

    So as to accomodate the business lobby which thrive on cheap labor who can be intimidated, the union lobby who foresee new members and the union dues coming in, and the polictal lobby who see millions of new Democrats created once the new amnesty program passes and bestows citizenship upon them.

  32. #593538
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, FamilyMan said:

    I hate it when I miss a troll-banning.

    It’ wasn’t chap. He’s a conservative, but doesn’t know it yet.

  33. #593539
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pm, PhredE said:

    US (estimated) Population as I write:
    305,627,500 (link)

    Annual (approx.) Growth Rate: 1%-1.5%

    Number of Persons added annually (approx) : 2.5-3.0 million

    Rank Internationally: 3rd (following China, India)

    Breakdown of increase:
    Approx. 55%-60% from legal immigration (work visas, family unification, etc)

    Approx. 40%-45% from illegal immigration
    :
    :
    etc.

    Two questions go begging –

    1. How many (net) jobs have been created lately?

    2. Do we really need more people at a time when we can’t support them?

  34. #593546
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, maisy said:

    I guess all those illegals that broke the bank with foreclosures now will become citizens retroactively…SUET!!!!!

  35. #593547
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, FamilyMan said:

    PhredE said: Do we really need more people at a time when we can’t support them?

    If corporate tax was cut to zero, business would boom and there would be a demand.

  36. #593549
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, RedDog said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, Socky said:
    Keep illegals out, rationally choose those we want and increase the number of those we let in.
    Whereas congress would rather increase the number of illegals we let in, and keep those we would rationally choose to stay out.

    That’s because “those we would rationally choose” would likely vote Republican, since those legit immigrants would likely want to keep most of the fruits of their own labor.

  37. #593555
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm, RedDog said:

    Everbody loves chapoutier. He purrs when you pet him, but he does have fangs.

  38. #593567
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm, PhredE said:

    Re: AlohaGuy –

    “The schools are there. They will provide economic assistance. Unfortunately, many Americans do not take advantage of the opportunities that exist. Study hard, get good grades, doors will open.”

    Actually, that used to be the operative model for the aspiring American worker. Unfortunately, globalization and outsourcing have proven that it no longer holds true. In many cases, those who studied hard, got good grades and worked hard were specifically singled out for termination because of it (and being of native US birthplace /citizenship). I’ve witnessed the occurrence empirically with my own eyes.

    …G’Day, just the same.

  39. #593569
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, flenser said:

    I’m all for legal immigration, as long as the number of immigrants are limited to an amount the USA can safely absorb and assimilate.

    I’m all for legal immigration, provided it meets some concrete and immediate need of the American people. Which is to say that the vast majority of legal immigration, such as the crazy sheme Michell describes above, should be promptly banned. Regardless of whether they can safely assimilate.

  40. #593572
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Unless you believe in a one world government, we need to tightly regulate our immigration. If we removed our antiquated and repressive tax system, our economy would flourish. I’m surprised the unions don’t understand this and get behind a program that sustains us and has the potential of increasing their membership.

  41. #593575
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, flenser said:

    So as to accomodate the business lobby which thrive on cheap labor who can be intimidated, the union lobby who foresee new members and the union dues coming in

    The Republican Party is the political wing of the Chamber of Commerce, and the Democratic Party is the political arm of the unions.

    Nobody represents the American people.

  42. #593585
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, flenser said:

    I would approve of giving every science and engineering PhD a visa along with their diploma.

    Of course that’s the reason Americans don’t go into science and engineering. They know perfectly well that those jobs are reserved for non-citizens. And for the same combination of effort and brain-power they can do better in other fields.

  43. #593591
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm, 24Klady said:

    In a severe downturn in the job market and overall economy, for us to even consider adding more people to deal with at this time is nothing short of suicide.

    Problem #1: It’s only a matter of time before Obambi gives his approval for amnesty, which will open the floodgates to more social services applied for by the illegals already here.

    Problem #2: Granted, we do need to encourage those with skills to come legally when it’s appropriate, but with millions out of work (highly skilled citizens at that) to even suggest we need to bring in more applicants for those same jobs is foolhardy.

    Problem #3: Seems the only job growth we’ll see for awhile is that in government services. A nation cannot survive by expanding government workers to the point where they outnumber those working in the private sector.

    Problem #4: We can expect the wind down of our military presence in two war zones, and just possibly around the world. Hundreds of thousands of men and women currently serving are going to need services and jobs. We owe it to them to see they get both.

  44. #593601
    On January 16th, 2009 at 3:59 pm, PhredE said:

    There are some excellent articles and studies available at NumbersUSA.
    http://www.NumbersUSA.com

    They offer some very compelling evidence about the levels of fraud which pervades our legal immigration practices … leaving aside the perpetual thorn-in-the-hind-side illegal immigration.

    In particular (and of strong applicability in the current context), are recent articles by Norm Matloff re: H1-b visa – he points out that the requirements and provisions of the H1-b are tweaked by companies all too often – but is done within the letter (but not intent) of the law (one article here). A second article (by an author I can’t recall offhand) about DNA testing of asylee/refugeee applicants (it was found in the test study, that fraud [no blood relations between supposed family members] was the norm)

    Yes, our system is “broken” as the “CIR” (comprehensive immigration reform proponents like to claim. Sure, it’s broken, because it isn’t serving the interests of the US public at all anymore. Now, it is serving the wants of foreign persons wanting a cheap and easy entry into the US, large companies wanting an easy route to cheap labor, etc. (IMHO).

  45. #593604
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm, flenser said:

    In a severe downturn in the job market and overall economy, for us to even consider adding more people to deal with at this time is nothing short of suicide.

    You forget that according to the vodoo economics practiced by both parties, adding more people to America magically creates lots of new and well paying jobs.

    If we swallowed the entire population of China, we could all be hedge-fund managers making a billion dollars per year.

  46. #593607
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, PhredE said:

    flenser, Hey, good on you!
    You’ve got to the heart of the myth (”just add more bodies, and everything will be ok…”) of recent US immigration policy. :D

  47. #593609
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, vargas said:

    “the prospective buyer must have a clean criminal record, a good credit record, the ability to present and prove a decent monthly income, and no outstanding financial obligations or credit liabilities. ”

    What exactly are our objections to having someone that meets this criteria getting a green card? This certainly sounds like someone I would want buying the house next door to me.

  48. #593615
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, xler8bmw said:

    edelweiss said:

    It won’t happen. This country won’t survive a single day without immigrants

    Really, Let me rephrase it for you:

    It won’t happen immigrants won’t survive without the working class in america supporting them!

  49. #593622
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, xler8bmw said:

    All immigration into this country should be banned for 5-10 years until we can figure out who is here already.

    And it should be limited and Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 Immigration Act should be repealed!

  50. #593640
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, 24Klady said:

    flenser – Amen!

    Part of the assimilation failure is that in most cities there are simply not a majority of actual citizens – does not matter which color or ethnicity – for the new migrants to feel pressured to emulate. Those cities that actually do have a huge number of actual citizens seem only to want to encourage new immigrants to hang onto their past.

  51. #593677
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
  52. #593688
    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Of course that’s the reason Americans don’t go into science and engineering. They know perfectly well that those jobs are reserved for non-citizens.

    No offense but this is a preposterous statement.

  53. #593697
    On January 16th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, orlandocajun said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, vargas said:

    “the prospective buyer must have a clean criminal record, a good credit record, the ability to present and prove a decent monthly income, and no outstanding financial obligations or credit liabilities. ”

    What exactly are our objections to having someone that meets this criteria getting a green card? This certainly sounds like someone I would want buying the house next door to me.

    Based upon the first paragraph absolutely no one would qualify. My only objection is that I can’t think of one good reason to import more people into this country unless you want to add an IQ of 140+ to the first paragraph.

  54. #593704
    On January 16th, 2009 at 5:05 pm, usa_usa said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    BTW, about deporting immigrants and their children, per Wiki, Mrs. Malkin’s parents came to this country on student visas. You aren’t suggesting deporting Mrs. Malkin’s parents, are you?

    Moby much?

    Is that really true ?

  55. #593716
    On January 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, JHSII said:

    I just want to make sure I understand this correctly.

    They’re foreclosing on Americans because they set them up so they wouldn’t be able to pay their mortgages so they can now sell those same houses to foreigners who won’t be able to pay on their mortgages so that they can forclose on them too. All with the promise of a green card / citizenship.

    Perhaps they should check the water in Washington DC.

  56. #593732
    On January 16th, 2009 at 5:59 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Have we found out who the banned troll is?

  57. #593734
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:03 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Wikipedia is edited by a bunch of people, per my understanding, and I have heard the high Wiki overlords don’t like anything that counters global warming hysteria.

    That said:

    Mrs. Malkins Wiki page

    Note Michelle is not married to a Russian NHL star, but rather some really smart (and lucky) guy, who works at RAND, and further, upon Wiki-ing RAND, its name is not a reference to the Atlas Shrugged author.

    Which reminds me, a thread at another blog, “Atlas Shrugged from fiction to reality in 52 years.”

  58. #593735
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:07 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    #56

    A Moby who said something to the effect of “Deport all Immigrants Now”.

    Culture, Language and Borders doesn’t mean xenophobia. If people come legally, and bring talents and abilities so they can benefit the US as much as they expect the US to benefit them, and are willing to accept our culture and American English as the common language, I don’t think too many people object to that.

    BTW, for those that have never heard, Moby is a bad British techno-pop musician who encouraged his fans to go on conservative blogs in 2000 and claim George W Bush had forced a girlfriend to have an abortion.

    A Moby is a libtard who pretends to be a patriot, to make patriots look bad.

  59. #593737
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:09 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Nice pic of you on the Wiki page Michelle. I have always said conservative women are better looking than troll women. Come to think of it, that’s probably why I’m a conservative. The heck with the politics.

  60. #593738
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:12 pm, Stillwaiting said:

    “the prospective buyer must have a clean criminal record”

    What could go wrong? I mean, the US gov’t has such an excellent record on checking out who comes into the country. (sarc off)

  61. #593739
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:14 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
  62. #593742
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:24 pm, FamilyMan said:

    From Michelle’s Wiki page

    Geraldo Rivera said
    Michelle Malkin is the most vile, hateful commentator I’ve ever met in my life.

    Gee! Michelle, If Geraldo thinks that of you, it only make me appreciate you more.

  63. #593745
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, zorro said:

    God save us from bipartisanship.

    Alas, bipartisanship is no more; both political parties have merged and now act as one…

  64. #593746
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, CantCureStupid said:

    Daggummit, I miss the troll purge, too!!!!

    Gerald is such a hystrionic narcisist. Who cares what he thinks? MM is worth at least a thousand Gerald Riveras.

    :)

  65. #593755
    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm, usa_usa said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, vargas said:
    “the prospective buyer must have a clean criminal record, a good credit record, the ability to present and prove a decent monthly income, and no outstanding financial obligations or credit liabilities. ”

    What exactly are our objections to having someone that meets this criteria getting a green card? This certainly sounds like someone I would want buying the house next door to me.

    You sir are very naive. My buddy worked at INS and he processed many legal immigrants. Most of the “proofs” submitted by applicants are unverifiable. How can INS verify steady income and assets (or degrees) of someone in Asia or Mexico ? There is rampant visa fraud. There are some people on student visa in my neighborhood who just sign up for a class or two in community college to meet the visa requirements and then work illegally in small shops.

  66. #593759
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pm, FamilyMan said:

    usa_usa said:How can INS verify steady income and assets (or degrees) of someone in Asia or Mexico ?

    Allow fewer in and take more time for each applicant. It works in Australia.

  67. #593760
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:04 pm, usa_usa said:

    Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Culture, Language and Borders doesn’t mean xenophobia. If people come legally, and bring talents and abilities so they can benefit the US as much as they expect the US to benefit them, and are willing to accept our culture and American English as the common language, I don’t think too many people object to that

    How do you suppose not very highly paid INS/state dept officer will judge all these subjective things ?

  68. #593762
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm, usa_usa said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 6:12 pm, Stillwaiting said:
    “the prospective buyer must have a clean criminal record”

    What could go wrong? I mean, the US gov’t has such an excellent record on checking out who comes into the country. (sarc off)

    I agree. US government has dismal record of screening visitors/imigrants. We should have voted for Hunter or Tancerado.

  69. #593763
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Good to see Mitch McConnell has been up to his neck in this since 1990. At least he’s a high seniority RINO.

  70. #593764
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Maybe the emu was banned.

  71. #593767
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:18 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Ya know, on the southern border, we only need one fence; with targets on it.

  72. #593768
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:19 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    I remember reading the original story by MM back then. Silly me, I thought some congress critter would be appalled. My bad.

  73. #593769
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:22 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    BTW, per family re-unification, anyone remember the M*A*S*H episode with the Officer’s club ? Hawkeye and all his ‘relatives’ coming in.

  74. #593770
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:23 pm, wayiwalk said:

    It hurts to read a story like this after a tough work week; dealing with issues like layoffs, furloughs, and reduced work weeks…and then there is Washington DC, and all that is available to the highest bidder, and contrary to good law and citizenship, just making me sick.

  75. #593775
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:26 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Come on Michelle, tell us who was banned.

  76. #593776
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:27 pm, Joy said:

    I missed the Troll banning too! Sheesh. I could only hope it was Bill Grant.

    Who was it? How many people have to ask to find out? lol

    As to the subject…. I never cease to be amazed at how suicidal our Government is.

    I am astounded that our country is going belly up (Yay bipartisanship!) and there’s really nothing we can do about it. Now that over 50% realize they can vote themselves goodies at taxpayer expense, I can’t imagine we can stop the race to Socialism. Not enough responsible people left. And both main parties, D & R are corrupt.

    I feel like Pippin in LOTR. “I don’t want to be in a battle. But waiting on the edge of one I can’t escape is even worse.”

  77. #593778
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:28 pm, b-cat said:

    Come on Michelle, tell us who was banned.

    I think Jeff2161 nailed it.

  78. #593779
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:28 pm, Joy said:

    FamilyMan – Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul knows who it was too… what can we do to make him talk?

  79. #593782
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:30 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Thanks, b-cat… I was tired of the ranting in my left ear.

  80. #593784
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:30 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Zombie water-boarding ? :shock:

  81. #593786
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:32 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Joy said:
    Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul knows who it was too… what can we do to make him talk?

    Waterboarding

  82. #593787
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:34 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Now there’s the difference right there between conservative, and socialists. Mary Katherine Ham vs. HRC… :P

  83. #593789
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:36 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    I have heard that zombies will work for ‘ head cheese ‘

  84. #593790
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:36 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Pickled brains, for the trolls…

  85. #593791
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:38 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Hey, chap…these conservative babes are enough to turn you pro-life, eh?

  86. #593797
    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:53 pm, Joy said:

    Familyman – I thought of that, but how do you cyber-waterboard someone?

  87. #593799
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pm, John Deaux said:

    We need a list of all those banned and the reason.

    Omu is pretty much a one trick pony. I can’t picture him even commenting on this.

    edelweiss, I have to say that I agree with you about legal immigration. Educated people or those who seek an education will strengthen our country, whereas most illegals are just looking to take anything and everything they can without contributing.

    If you can comment like you did here without being inflammatory or preachy, I welcome your point of view and will not belittle you.

  88. #593803
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:08 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    How many houses could Osama Bin Laden afford for his friends? Throw in some Gulf Sheiks, Hugo Chavez and George Soros and “Houston, we have a problem”.

    “the prospective buyer must have a clean criminal record”

    throw in terrorist ties and wonder just how good some of these countries are at assisting the Great Satan. Does Mohammad Atta and the PERFECT SOLDIERS ring a bell?

    Now we have Conservatives falling all over themselves “of course I do support legal immigration”. Just how many more low and unskilled people can we absorb and wait that three generations for them to assimilate? Just how many more convenience stores do we need Pakistanis and Indians to buy and lay off the American workers? We do not have enough Pay Day Loan/Cash Checking stores now? Add to the mix almost all the immigrants of this half century have come from and believe in Socialist/statist government.

    Yes we WERE a country of immigrants ready and able to absorb large numbers of people. That was when we were expanding and those immigrants who could not make it went home. We are no longer expanding rapidly and those who can not make it go on welfare or rob the Pakistanis and Indians convenience stores.

    Some feel “We Are the World”-I prefer “I am an American”. We have our own people to take care of.

  89. #593807
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:20 pm, usa_usa said:

    I traveled to Asia few years ago. There the “immigration consultants” advertise in newspapers about how they will assist you in getting green cards, provide fake degree, tell you how to answer questions from the Consulate officers and even find you “anchor spouses” in USA. Apparently it cost between 4k to 5k to find an American who will marry you and get you a green card.

    The whole system is rigged. So all those who support “legal immigartion”, think again.

  90. #593808
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:24 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Our immigration rate should depend on the unemployment, and especially; under-employment rate. I live in Phoenix,AZ and 60% of the english-speakers…(3 out of 5) were laid-off while the 73 spanish speakers remained. But, we ARE a right-to-work state…Right? I’m not bitter that, a spanish-only speaker has my job…I’m extremely perturbed.

  91. #593809
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:27 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Locked, and loaded…Finger on the safety…

  92. #593811
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:28 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    My boss told me it was too expensive to have bi-lingual safety meetings. Sure took care of that, boy…
    ( not sexist by saying boy )

  93. #593817
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, flenser said:

    f people come legally, and bring talents and abilities so they can benefit the US as much as they expect the US to benefit them, and are willing to accept our culture and American English as the common language, I don’t think too many people object to that

    I’m one that objects to it. I don’t care if they have “talent and ability”. It’s not the role of the state to act as some sort of talent recruiter. It can no more do that job than it can evaluate their more important cultural characteristics.

  94. #593819
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm, PhredE said:

    Following on ArizonaNeanderthal and usa_usa’s comments (#88, 89)…

    Yes, good points. People forget that 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists entered the US (ostensibly) under LEGAL means (student visa, tourist visa, etc) – but within that process, committed some sort of fraud or deceit to game the system and stay or evade the radar of the CIS/ICE. In fact, over at HotAir, MM has posted a most excellent vid of a document fraudster (himself, an illegal) who made the fake documents for many of the terrorists.

    I’d like to put my trust and faith in the legal immigration process… only problem is, it is riddled with abuse and fraud and just can’t be trusted anymore. The standards have to be much, much higher before it can gain support from people like me.

    “Some feel “We Are the World”-I prefer “I am an American”. We have our own people to take care of.”

    Amen, brother.

  95. #593822
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On January 16th, 2009 at 7:27 pm, Joy said:

    I missed the Troll banning too! Sheesh. I could only hope it was Bill Grant.

    :-D

  96. #593829
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:57 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Well said, Bill…

  97. #593831
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm, Joy said:

    Rats……..

  98. #593832
    On January 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    When american citizens are discriminated against…So, where do we get the tar and feathers?

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