Tom Hanks questions Prop. 8 supporters’ patriotism
We were considered fascists for questioning theirs, but it’s patriotic for them to question ours.
Per Hot Air headlines, Hollywood lib Tom Hanks tars Prop. 8 supporters as “un-American.” As opposed to all of those patriots gathering black lists and compiling maps of people who exercised their right to vote and dared to express political opinions in opposition to Tinseltown orthodoxy…
Tom Hanks, Executive Producer for HBO’s controversial polygamist series “Big Love,” made his feelings toward the Mormon Church’s involvement in California’s Prop 8 (which prohibits gay marriage) very clear at the show’s premiere party on Wednesday night.
“The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here’s what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed and people can see who’s responsible and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting constitution and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So lets have faith in not only the American, but Californian constitutional process.”
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right4life:
All the more reason to convince me (and others) that your version of religion is pure fantasy dreamt up by power hungry, misogynist, ignorant, and fearful desert dwellers. It sounds no better than any other ancient religion. Simply put, if a loving God did in fact exist, I sincerely doubt he would condemn people for simply believing in the wrong version of religion, or just not believing at all.
TXGator:
Are you implying that right4life is a tortured, closeted homosexual? That would explain a great many things and if it were true I guess I really feel pity for him.
GAYS aren’t pedophiles, PRIESTS are.
WarEagle82, that last crack about Obama nominees was very funny and spot-on. However, I know quite a few gay men and lesbians who never had issues with their parents, and in fact are still very close to their parents. It is believed that it may well be genetic and is being studied. It has also been proven that more than 80% of gay youth who try to accept that part of themselves at a young age and are rejected by their families are pushed toward depression, alcohol/drug abuse and suicide.
There are plenty out there who “go gay” for a little while because it’s fun. Those people are odd to me; I don’t understand it. I know straight people who will claim to be gay just because they like to shock people and I’m offended by that. But I can tell you that I have been attracted to the same sex all my life, even when I was younger.
I cannot believe that God “gave me up to a sinful desire” when I was 8 years old and had a crush on another girl in class. It took me a long time to figure out that’s what it was, but it makes sense. My father knew I’d be gay when I was very little. I’m not willing to say that I’m in any sort of protected class, but I do believe that for a small segment of society, it is a normal thing.
Just sayin’…I usually don’t have such vitriol for anything unless it gets to me, um…down deep, IYKWIMAITYD.
If Hitler could be in heaven, I’m pretty sure a gay or two might slip in there. Who else would make all that gold look understated and elegant?
Not us straight guys.
Or, according to the movies, because then co-eds will feel comfortable changing in front of you.
That really happens, right?
where am I cruel and judgemental? maybe I should have just said ‘there are many paths to God…homosexuality is not a sin’
and that would make me nice and happy!!
please.
Chapoutier, I read you. I know it’s no small thing, that’s why I’m honest about it. It’s also no small thing to be openly conservative in the gay community.
Yes, I have come out of the political closet!
I know gay people who have NEVER had sex. Yet they KNOW they are gay. I knew I was different long before I even knew what sex was.
If you are NATURALLY right-handed, but choose to write with your left hand, it doesn’t change your NATURAL handedness. It just makes you a sloppy writer.
here maybe you can understand this, since you can’t seem to understand very much at all..
say YOUR son died to save someone on 9/11…then at the funeral they come up and spit in your face…how would you feel???
its simple, spurn His grace, earn His wrath…
Judge not lest ye be judged.
God is love. Whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.
Do you really believe you are representing God well by judging people, sight unseen? I think God would fire you for insubordination if you weren’t union.
God is love.
you cannot deny what I said, or dispute it.
I make a general observation, which is true, that homosexuals are interested in recruiting young people…and you lie about what I say…no surprise, you’re trash.
Oh yeah… vandalizing churches, attacking little old ladies, intimidating restaurant managers, demanding resignations …now THAT’S American!
first of all I’m not judging people…post where I did that. or apologize.
warning people that there is a hell, and there is a judgment, seems to very upsetting to you, why is that?? don’t you think there will be????
The incredible, unavoidable, absolutely plain difference is as follows:
I am not spitting in anyone’s face. I am merely saying I have never met that person and until I do I don’t think they exist because they just sound so unbelieveable.
in your opinion….but YOU do not get the last word…HE does…
everybody talks about John 3:16…a couple verses later 18…
“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
you don’t like it? take it up with Him…good luck.
Christians project that on us gays. They are the ones doing the recruiting, with their Christian schools and colleges. We don’t recruit. That’s just another lie.
I have a daughter, and I’m relieved she’s not gay. I would not want her to be subjected the religious bigotry I’ve experienced my whole life.
So irght4life,
Do you think that Trop and AniMEL are lying when they say they hate pedophilia, or is it like some role playing game where you have to reach Level 10 Mage before you are imbued with the knowledge?
I couldn’t make my daughter gay, even if I wanted to (I don’t), any more than my fundamentalist Christian parents (married 60 years) could make me a heterosexual.
Oh please! How incredibly disingenuous!
OK, let’s try it this way:
Right4life: I am just warning you, but you do of course know that folks that are against gay marriage will go to hell, right?
Am I being judgmental or not?
Of course, we could be both be wrong and the Hindus could have it right. In which case you will likely come back as a mule or something.
I’ll answer that as you as you answer my previous question.
you continually seek to lie about what I said, and twist what I said…no surprise..given what you are.
chapoutier:
Be careful, DnD is from the devil!
I was going to make a nice long comment on this topic (since I’m Pro-Prop
but there’s just too much hatred going on here, so I’ll keep it short.
Anyone who believes in the American Constitution (regardless of religion or lifestyle) should be happy because the People of California have spoken, and it was in favor of Prop 8. If you don’t like it, the good thing about this country is you can campaign to change people’s minds, or, in the future, maybe the majority vote will go to Prop 8 opposers.
America is Great!!
oh please this is laughable. mentioning that God is the Judge…means I CONDEMN YOU TO HELL…right. I post what the Bible says..and I AM CONDEMNING YOU TO HELL…as if I had that power…
delusional.
and if you’re right, I lose nothing…and if I’m right…THEN I’M CONDEMNING YOU TO HELLL…just because its fun…
Why do gay people need the government to stamp the name “marriage” on their somewhat un-natural and biologically futile unions?
A good lawyer, a will and a durable power of attorney gives gay people who want to live with their partners all the protections of marriage, and even the one complaint they may have, some company medical plans may not cover live in sperm receptacles as family, since gay people can’t have children naturally, they can probably both work, and provide for their own health insurance.
Gay people have all the rights straight people do, and they can’t use judges and Hollywood celebrities to force me to respect their lifestyle.
And until I hear widespread gay condemnation of public orgies like “Up Your Alley”, I will assume many members of the gay community don’t have a problem with that kind of lifestyle, and I can’t be forced to respect it.
(Link has a couple of barriers for your protection, but even the pixilated version available a few mouse clicks away is not for the squeamish.)
She thinks we approved of sexual violence against children with no evidence at all, simply because she believes a stereotype. that’s a bigot for you.
The Pope is a man of God, and he does support pedophilia. If he didn’t, then that Cardinal from Boston, who harbored pedophile priests, would not be part of the Pope’s inner circle. The pedophile-harboring Cardinal would have been de-frocked a long time ago. But that never happened. Therefore, the Pope supports pedophilia.
What I’d like to know is what is the foundation of Tom Hank’s views. If the foundation is only Tom Hanks – then his views are no more valid than mine or the views of the average horse in the field. He says “discrimination” is wrong. Why? I ask.
Further, just because a majority think something, does not make it valid. Once upon a time, the majority thought the earth was flat. The majority thought the sun revolved around the earth. Majority does not determine correctness.
Correctness HAS to be external. Tom Hanks is not my “external” determiner.
Your words…
Care to expound?
for a lawyer you are incredibly DENSE…
I didn’t say ALL GAYS..duhhh..and that article that YOU posted listed GAY ORGANIZATIONS…dare I say, part of the GAY MOVEMENT…duhhh…that supported ELMINATING THE AGE OF CONSENT LAWS…
care to expound???? hmmmmmmm?? since you havne’t already?? mr. know-it-all-lawyer????
So then you do or you do not believe that gays supports pedophilia?
The Pope is surely going to hell. He’ll have a lot of company there… James Dobson, Rick Warren, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson…. all religious fear/hate-mongers.
Just by sheer numbers, the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual than are homosexual. Don’t you watch those Catch a Predator stings on MSNBC?
I have some sympathy for gay people, studies with fraternal twins and identical twins suggest there is both environmental and genetic factors that seem to determine sexual orientation to some degree. However, since identical twin pairs do exist where only one twin is gay, it isn’t absolute destiny.
But if two men want to share a place, dress fabulous, see Streisand shows together, more power to them. Just don’t flaunt your sexuality in public or ask for a change in a millenias old definition of marriage.
BTW, the whole Catholic/pedophilia thing.
Wrong. It was a gay priest thing. Almost (not all) all the victims were post-pubescent boys (roughly age 12 and up), victimized by homosexual priests.
Pederasty, the Michael Jackson thing. Kind of like straight men with a “Lolita” complex, who find 14 girls hard to resist.
True pedophilia, sex with pre-teen children, was quite rare.
why don’t you answer my question first…FOR ONCE??? hmmm?? can’t answer it though, can you now??? hmmmm???
laughable.
And your silly “mr. lawyer” ad hominems are getting tired.
Did you get stood up on a date by a lawyer once? Did one take away your blankie as a baby?
I don’t support pedophilia. And I do not know a gay person who does.
Right4life:
Perhaps I should adopt a new strategy with you?
Should I start quoting the Upanishads to support my worldview and then make claims about how I am just warning you that you are going to come back as a mule?
It’s ridiculous, much like your Bible quoting, and you in a general sense.
PS. Duuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~~~~~
I did answer the question. I said I have no idea. Why don’t you ask the people that wrote it back in 1972.
Now answer my question, which conveniently, is actually about you. A subject I am sure you are familiar with.
Neither are pedophiles. See post above.
Male homosexuals who prefer teen lovers are pederasts. I don’t think they have a name for the “15 will get you 20″ type straights that like girls below the age of consent.
so why did those groups advocate eliminating the age of consent laws??? HMMMMMM??? moron.
about priests.
I’m sure if girls were allowed to alter boys, the abuse would have happened to girls.
They weren’t gay (they’d have to be human first), they were sexual predators, and alter boys were convenient prey.
some obviously DO..ever hear of NAMBLA??? hmmmmm??? duhhhhhh
BTW, I consider myself a Christian and all, and I don’t mind explaining when people take the Bible out of context, but the Christians on this forum threatening the atheists and promiscuous gays with Hell probably aren’t convincing them of anything.
Really.
What percent do you gather?
Do any heterosexuals support pedophilia?
oh of course, you know about everything else in the world, but not this of course…right.
maybe they advocated that because its what they want!!!
maybe they were just telling the truth??
and even a lawyer could figure out what they wanted with getting rid of the age of consent laws…maybe..
shocking isn’t it??
Kind of like Fred Phelps & company with Mark Bingham’s memorial?
Ed Mahmoud:
No doubt, but right4life’s lunacy needs to be exposed for the benefit of other posters and lurkers alike.
Blasphemy!! You never see teachers having sex with their students.
ANSWER MY QUESTION! WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING MY QUESTION!!
Mookie in #244:
*high five* Right on dude. Good point.
blockquote>On January 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, chapoutier said:
What percent do you gather?
don’t know…why don’t you tell me why gays wanted to be scout masters so badly..and they reacted so badly when they were denied…and the contineu to this day to punish boy scouts whenever possible…
and why is the homosexual movement so interested in promoting their agenda in schools…even to such ridiculous lengths as:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511209/Dont-say-mum-dad–teachers-told-assume-pupils-heterosexual-parents.html
now why don’t you try answering this instead of saying ‘i don’t know’ hmmm??
That’s not true. The tax laws are completely different. Same with social security benefits.
just desperate for my attention aren’t you??
your stupidity and lies are exposed with every post.
You let me play out my loony- fundamentalist-airhead fetishes.
you might want to check the mirror there jethro…
Honestly man. I do feel a twinge of pity for you. It’s really a shame. Your fundamentalist view of religion has obviously blinded you to so many wonderful things about the natural world.
I don’t mind you acting like an ass anymore. I suppose it’s just your nature.
Girls have been allowed to be altar servers for over a decade.
I went to a Catholic high school, and I’d guess, using my less than perfect straight man’s “gaydar” that about 25% of them were gay. Possibly more than most priests, it was a Jesuit school. And 7 boys in my high school were abused, and won healthy settlements, which hopefully provide the psychological help they need to try to recover.
But almost all the victims were post-pubescent. The Church has had an issue with sexually active homosexual priests. Many gay priests, no doubt, found sex away from their parishes. Many more, I’d hope, would do as many of their hetereosexual counterparts do, and follow their oath of celibacy. (Not all straight priests are celibate, of course, they are human). Gay attraction isn’t sinful. Just as I don’t automatically sin noticing attractive women around me. If I allow myself to dwell on them, or fantasize, I commit adultery in my heart, if I actually try to have sex with women I’m not married to, I’ve committed out and out adultery. My Catholicism comes with some built in guilt, which a lot of people assume is bad, but knowing how guilty I’d feel cheating on my wife ensures I’d never do it.
BTW, abstinence isn’t exactly fun, but it isn’t impossible. My wife and I have had four kids, and each involved a couple of months of enforced abstinence.
But wishing that the vast majority of the Catholic priest sex abusers weren’t homosexuals won’t change that fact.
unlike you, I don’t worship the natural world..I can appreciate it for what it is, and WHO made it…without thinking ‘this just all happened by chance’
praise darwin!!
but you prove the bible with every post…
professing to be wise…they have become fools
I don’t know. Why do heteros want to be scout masters so badly?
Gee, maybe they were a little peeved at the insinuation from idiots like you that they were doing it because they wanted to rape your children.
My you are paranoid. “They’re coming to get youuuuu Barbara……”
right4life:
I don’t worship the natural world, I am amazed by it as one might be amazed by a fractal but only on a much grander scale.
It didn’t happen by “chance” that is a misunderstanding of natural selection.
Once again, I don’t worship Darwin. He was just a man.
you don’t know much of nothing, except how to lie.
oh so that article was a PLANT..by the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!
I forgot my tin-foil, so I didn’t notice it…glad you have yours on!!
I didn’t say the article was a plant. I said your reaction to it was one of paranoia. Do you shutter yourself indoors for fear of being exposed to The Gay?
oh please…if it didn’t happen by chance, then evolution is the intelligent designer…
1) assume evolution
2) personify nature
3) wave the magic wand of millions of years..
and shazam!! you have miraces of DESIGN…
laugahble.
of course not…no darwinist does…
Hah! A double negative! You said I know a lot! Thanks!
I heart you!
you say a lot, and it means very little…so?
so why do you think they would do that??
oh I know, you don’t know…
laughable.
thought a brilliant lawyer like you would get it…
I am still waiting for the self professed expert on the causal link between gays and pedophilias to tell me how many gays are such and how many heterosexuals are pedos.
and of course YOU KNOW that they didn’t…because you’re the great chap!!
right4life:
Yes, I am the one that believes in magic and miracles. Sweet irony…
I think I know how best to counter your insanity, fire with fire:
*Napolean dynamite voice*:
DUUUHHHHHHHH~~~
Duuuuhhhh~~~
Idiot!!
Duhhhhh~~~
Yeah. Not buying it. Try picking up a copy of Strunk and White and see if you can fit that in between your angry little rants.
About gay scout masters-
Would people be comfortable with men as troop leaders with the Girl Scouts, and sleeping in tents with them?
BTW, the women teachers getting the hots for 14 year old boys are not technically pedophiles. Not sure what psycholical dysfunction makes them want to be predatory in that way (and I think any gay or straight sexual relation involving an older person and a teeanger is almost by definition predatory), but those women are straight and are not pedophiles.
given that you cannot duplicate evolution in the lab, nor see it in the fossil record…
yes you do believe in miracles, obviously.
of course to the board wackos its HATEFUL and BIGOTED to say that!!!
right4life:
Wrong, but we;ve been through this before.
DUUHHHHH~~
Idiot~~~
Duhhhhhhh!
*rolling eyes*
Duhhhh~~
projection…get some professional help there chappy!!
its rather obvious you need it…
yeah and I’ve made you look foolish every time we have…
tell ya what, why don’t you go evolve something, and then let me know??
make a bacteria into a multi-cellular animal…should be a cinch!!
or tell me the exact sequence of mutations that caused an eye to develop from a normal cell…
but you can’t, yet you believe it…FAITH.
laughable.
Oh my god (that was ironical, just for you). The bar for stupidity just went WAYYYYYYY up.
Of course you can’t duplicate evolution in a lab, seing as labs have been around for oh….maybe what 500 years? And the fact that it is impossible for a lab to even begin to duplicate all of the variables and forces at work in nature.
Seriously. THIS is the post that has convinced me it is absolutely pointless to engage you.
With regard to recruiting young’uns into the gay community…it doesn’t happen as much as some conservatives would like to believe, but yes, Right4life, it does happen. Michelle pointed that out right here just a few months ago. One elementary class was taken on a “field trip” to a lesbian wedding in California, and a kindergarten class was asked by their teacher to sign GLSEN “pledge cards” that they could barely sign their names to, much less read and understand (the same teacher put up a large, loud sign in that school for National Coming Out Day).
Yes, it happens, but that does not mean that we condone it. Do I believe kids should be encouraged to find their way without being afraid of being bullied by other kids who think they’re weird? Absolutely. But I don’t agree with exposing kids to this stuff when they’re that young. I think that’s the best way to make them think it really is weird.
While a grown man having sexual contact with a young boy is same-sex behavior, that does not make the act or the perpetrator “gay.” With the exception of priests, many pedophiles actually have heterosexual marriages. In the Mideast, men use women for reproduction and property, but a large number of them prefer young boys for pleasure. Disgusting but true.
This is a repost from another thread:
Here’s what one might see if “Creation” were true:
Surface
—————————–
Horse fossils
—————————–
Horseish “proto-horse”
—————————–
Horse / Doglike mammal
————- <- point of creation.
Nothing
Here’s what we actually see (incredibly simplified):
Surface
—————————–
Horse fossils
—————————–
Horseish “proto-horse”
—————————–
Horse / Doglike mammal
—————————–
Reptiles
—————————–
Fish
—————————–
Creepy crawlies
—————————–
Very little
—————————–
Nothing
The evidence simply does not support the Biblical creation myth. PERIOD. End of story, see you later, BYE BYE.
chapoutier:
Actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
Of course, some folks here will dispute that.
Oh. Well there we go then. Glad to have been actually proved wrong for a change.
really?? why not?
link
so which is it? its whatever you darwiniacs need it to be..
but they’ve tried actually…sorry you haven’t kept up with the science, obviously…
link
yes because its STILL a bacteria…
and Behe says:
link
grasping at straws….
…and none of the scientists that wrote said articles would say that evolution is false.
They would disagree with you, so why are you quoting them?
The post above obviates (look it up) your point, but you claim that because scientists have been unable to replicate an incredibly complex process in a lab, that is proof that it is untrue?
And for the record, has anyone been able to replicate Moses parting the Dead Sea? Has anyone been able to replicate being swallowed by a whale and living in its belly?
…save Behe, who is a sellout and a piss poor philosopher.
Hey, how ’bout them Cardinals?
same old lies and stupidity..guess gould was all wrong about punctuated equilibrium wasn’t he??
chapoutier:
He’s on the ropes again, quoting long articles he doesn’t undrestand.
I’ll leave him to you for now, it Friday.
Have a good weekend.
but you believe even though you cannot see it…
and uh duhhhhhh we take what Moses did on faith…just as you do evolution…thanks for making my point!!
and who makes you darwiniacs foam at the mouth…truth hurts…you cannot dispute what he says….just call him names….moron.
Oh no…I am done.
As Captain said: “Some men you just can’t reach.” Its just unfortunate we can’t give right4life a metaphorical night in the box.
yeah you’d better run before you look even more foolish!! (I know thats hard)
here explain this…
A HERV-K provirus in chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas, but not humans.
link
there are pseudogenes found in humans and apes but not in chimps:
A truncated immunoglobulin epsilon pseudogene is found in gorilla and man but not in chimpanzee.
link
why are so many tests done on mice rather than on other primates? While it is also cheaper to do tests on mice, the real reason is that their bodily systems (especially the immune system) function more similarly to ours than do those of primates.
As has been the case with numerous nuclear DNA markers, there was no consensus among the HERV trees for the relationship among humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas (30). The remaining trees displayed interesting deviations from the predicted separation of the 5′ and 3′ LTR sequences.
link
Tom Hanks can shove it.
First, there is plenty of evidence for evolution, for anyone that cares not to blindly ignore it. But are you claiming that there really is no factual, empirical basis for belief in the Bible?
if they wanted to keep their jobs…see sternberg….you brown-shirted darwiniacs are an intolerant lot.
My issue with the BSA has always been, why do gays and atheists have to move in on someone else’s organization? Why can’t they start their own?
Just start an organization where godless homosexuals sign up to take young boys out into the woods for sleepovers. That’s fine. Start your group and see how many parents sign up for it.
But muscling in on an organization that others have spent decades building… that just seemed plain wrong to me.
Some inconvenient truths for Trop:
*To suggest that David and Jonathan’s relationship was sexual is to pretend there is no such thing as male friends who love each other more than they love women in their lives unless they’re bed buddies.
*Jesus had a lot to say about illicit hetero sex and nothing specific about homo sex for a very good reason — sex was lawful and encouraged among those who were married. Everybody already knew what the law was about homosexuality, and it didn’t need to be mentioned because it was ALWAYS illicit. In the same way, when laws against “mixed” marriage were struck down in California in 1948, there was no presumption that the right to marry applied to same-sex couples because such an idea was beyond the pale.
*And since you brought up that supposedly “gay” centurion whose servant was healed by Jesus, here’s a challenge — what did that man say about himself when pleading for his servant’s healing, and what did that say about his “pride”?
Don’t chicken out.
There is not a single instance of a homosexual relationship — male or female — receiving acknowledgment in the Scriptures except in the condemnatory sense, and that is the bottom line (pun not intended).
Unrelated to Tom Hanks and gays and chimpanzees….
OT
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-14ºF this morning in Westhampton, NY. Shirley hit zero, NYC (urban heat island) got to +10ºF.
obviously there is not. not in the fossil record, and you admit you cannot duplicate it..
explain the tuatara…which has the highest molecular DNA in the world, and is aliving dinosaur…
a lot more for the bible than for your hairygod’s evolution…but no surprise you’d say something this stupid.