All Hail Lord Obama!

An atheist wants to be the measure of all things. He doesn’t want to have anyone over him. It is always pride. Pride is the genesis of all mankind’s sin. It says “You don’t need God, you can be God!” Just like in the Garden of Eden.

Case in point, look at zero’s posts. He has decided what is moral/immoral, and anyone who disagrees with him must be insane!

For someone who doesn’t believe in God, you seem to have a God-complex.

BINGO!! you win the prize!!

its the original sin…Satan wanting to BE GOD….and its what drives atheism…they are all the same…such darkness, but they cannot see it…the Lord has given them over to the darkness…

and they have no idea how real, and how terrifying the darkness is…but they will..

An atheist wants to be the measure of all things. He doesn’t want to have anyone over him. It is always pride. Pride is the genesis of all mankind’s sin. It says “You don’t need God, you can be God!” Just like in the Garden of Eden.

Case in point, look at zero’s posts. He has decided what is moral/immoral, and anyone who disagrees with him must be insane!

For someone who doesn’t believe in God, you seem to have a God-complex.

BINGO!! you win the prize!!

its the original sin…Satan wanting to BE GOD….and its what drives atheism…they are all the same…such darkness, but they cannot see it…the Lord has given them over to the darkness…

and they have no idea how real, and how terrify the darkness is…but they will..

An agnostic doesn’t KNOW.
An atheist doesn’t BELIEVE.

I freely admit I do not know and I can’t believe (since it seems so unlikely to me). In the same way that you might say, “I might be wrong, but I believe;” I would say, “I might be wrong, but I can’t believe.”

I can’t wish myself to believe anymore than I could wish myself to believe in Zeus!

It’s not about having different beliefs, it’s about you preaching that a class of your fellow human beings are evil simply because they can’t believe!

In any case, if your sermon is about people that claim to “know better” than God (or I might say, a kind of appeal to objective morality), I suppose I wouldn’t object. Good luck with your sermon.

You are seriously going to use your sermon to preach hate?

Not just hate, but eeeeevil hate. Y’know, like the Muslim clerics. We do have comparable ideology, after all. Right?

zeroangel said:

How many times do I have to state I am (by definition) both agnostic AND atheist?

How many times do I have to state that I actually often WISH I could believe in “god” but can’t since it makes no sense to me?

How often do I have to point out that any moralizing I do is no different then any you do, except I don’t try and invoke the creator of the universe and just let my ideas stand on their own?

Until you finally believe it yourself? I dunno.

Apparently, since I disagree with you, I am a hater. Just like other say, to believe and teach that homosexual behavior is sin is hate. Because I believe atheism (which is distinct from agnosticism, take a philosophy course if you don’t believe me) is immoral, that is hate, too.

Whatever. The sermon (primarily) isn’t even about atheism, it is about the folly of people who “know better” than God. There are plenty of both religious and atheistic examples of such.

Unbelievable! You are seriously going to use your sermon to preach hate?

Everyone of your conclusions are false and based on false assumptions; assumptions that I have argued against on this board with you and others many times. It’s as if we never even had this conversation!

How many times do I have to state I am (by definition) both agnostic AND atheist?

How many times do I have to state that I actually often WISH I could believe in “god” but can’t since it makes no sense to me?

How often do I have to point out that any moralizing I do is no different then any you do, except I don’t try and invoke the creator of the universe and just let my ideas stand on their own?

Who is the more moral person, a person that grovels before a creator being and begs for forgiveness because he is unworthy or humble or a person that is good for goodness sake? Why can’t we say just say, neither and does it matter?

I am called evil all the time, and yet it does not bother me.

Nonsense, I guarantee any poster calling Christians “evil” would be jumped all over by you.

Trollman, please, for the sake of decency toward other human beings, if your sermon is about how atheists are evil, reconsider your sermon. You are about to preach hate in your church!

And yes, atheism is inherently immoral. I can understand people having doubts about God, I know I do. I can understand people not being aware of any good evidence for God. I can understand people who have been exposed to what they believe to be good arguments against Christianity. People who have good arguments against other religions. But all of this would only lead to agnosticism, not atheism.

Atheism goes beyond the evidence, and beyond any possible evidence, and concludes there is no God. How could you ever give evidence for that? You can’t. Thus, you only believe it because you want to believe it.

An atheist wants to be the measure of all things. He doesn’t want to have anyone over him. It is always pride. Pride is the genesis of all mankind’s sin. It says “You don’t need God, you can be God!” Just like in the Garden of Eden.

Case in point, look at zero’s posts. He has decided what is moral/immoral, and anyone who disagrees with him must be insane!

For someone who doesn’t believe in God, you seem to have a God-complex.

He doesn’t like atheists being called evil, but believing what the Bible says, now that is evil! So, if you believe what the Bible plainly teaches (which is evil), that means you have evil thoughts, and consequently are evil yourself.

“Don’t call me evil, you evil people! Hey, everybody, come look at how evil their beliefs are!”

zero gave up belief in God based upon his reasoning as a child. He still sticks to it, even though it has been demonstrated to be, well, childish.

A person who humbles himself to ask for forgiveness should not be treated better than someone who, pride in tact, insist they aren’t that bad and don’t want forgiveness. But God is being unfair to the proud because He is willing to have mercy on the humble?

In Christianity, forgiveness is a virtue, which is why mercy triumphs over justice. To zero, pride triumphs over all. After all, he doesn’t need forgiveness.

Deep down, you know all these things are true. Why else would it bug you so much when people equate atheism with immorality? I am called evil all the time, and yet it does not bother me. The Truth has a way of bringing about freedom and peace.

Only pray? Perhaps you should sacrifice a goat as well? *smile*

Honestly, though, do you really think *I* am the one that needs “praying” or “well-wishing?”

Curious that I would be the one you want to pray for and not any of the other posters; especially the ones that think their fellow human beings are evil or should be condemned simply for not sharing their religious inclinations.

Anyhow, bedtime.

By the way, I was at the March for Life – it was amazing!

anyway, your mistake zero is thinking anyone is good…they’re not, no one is…people are evil.

its simple you pay for your sins…or Jesus does…your choice…

and those who reject His grace have no one to blame but themselves for ending up in hell….

On January 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 pm, zeroangel said:

Rut-roh, Raggy. Not sure. I must go now.

Oh come on, you wouldn’t want me to write your sermon! It would be all generic and have no references to “god.”

In fact, I’d prolly just say “let’s skip the sermon today and just go serve food at a homeless shelter” or something like that.

I agree with your previous post on all counts, what exactly are we disagreeing on?

“Atheists are not de facto evil.”

There are people who believe Christians should be exterminated. Should I be consumed by all the Christian hatred? I’m not saying it’s right. I’m saying that’s just how it is. I don’t think that atheists are de facto evil. I’ve never said such a thing. In fact, I get along well with abstractmind and James Felix (much respect for their intelligence). Chap too. He’s just a liberal and he catches flak for that. We are all taking hits. Some of us just don’t take it so personally.

PS. There is such a thing as a fundamentalist parent that believes his/her atheist child is going to hell.

Yeah and some parents disown their kids when they come out of the closet and announce that they are gay, some don’t. I ask you if you thought your parents would tell YOU otherwise.