“It seems the era of Hope is to be inaugurated with a slaughter of the innocents.”
There’s a very powerful read from Gerald Warner in the London Telegraph today. A snippet:
This will end in tears. The Obama hysteria is not merely embarrassing to witness, it is itself contributory to the scale of the disaster that is coming. What we are experiencing, in the deepening days of a global depression, is the desperate suspension of disbelief by people of intelligence – la trahison des clercs – in a pathetic effort to hypnotise themselves into the delusion that it will be all right on the night. It will not be all right…
…To anyone who kept his head, the string of Christmas cracker mottoes booming through the public address system on Washington’s National Mall can only excite scepticism. It is crucial to recall the reality that lies behind the rhetoric. Denouncing “those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents” comes ill from a man whose flagship legislation, the Freedom of Choice Act, will impose abortion, including partial-birth abortion, on every state in the Union. It seems the era of Hope is to be inaugurated with a slaughter of the innocents.
Obama’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is like one of those toxic packages traded by bankers: it camouflages many unaffordable gifts to his client state. With a federal deficit already at $1.2 trillion, Obama wants to squander $825 billion (which will undoubtedly mushroom to more than $1 trillion) on creating 600,000 more government jobs and a further 459,000 in “green energy” (useless wind turbines and other Heath-Robinson contraptions favoured by Beltway environmentalists).
It is frightening to think there is a real possibility that the entire world economy could go into complete meltdown and famine kill millions. Yet Western – and British – commentators are cocooned in a warm comfort zone of infatuation with America’s answer to Neil Kinnock. We should be long past applauding politicians of any hue: they got us into this mess. The best deserve a probationary opportunity to prove themselves, the worst should be in jail.
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Categories: Abortion,Barack Obama
Day 6 of The Constitution Held Hostage
We can’t pour water up a terrorist’s nose but we can kill unborn babies around the world.
Good thing we didn’t elect the RINO…
Maybe we should rename it to the “Born Alive Liberal Protection and Pork” Act.
Now that’s a heck of lot better than chanting” Obama Obama!” Sully is a real hero who earned that adulation.
Yeah, we really dodged that bullet….
The politicians can’t wait to get a photo op with a real hero.
YA! YA! I know I’m cynical.
Baby killing, Hamas licking Obama.
So
sezsaysyourgodGod fromyourHis Bbook.There, fixed it for you. BTW, Amen.
B.H.O.’s next book: The Audacity of Life
I will also take no such pledge, to let Obama govern without criticism.
I’M SURE EVERYONE HERE IS IN AGREEMENT.
Isn’t it amazing these same people cheering Obama’s plan for world wide killing of unborn babies are the same ones that attacked Bush for promoting democracy around the world?
Obama and the Dem’s should read Dr Suess’s book- Horton hears a who and understand that a person is a person NO MATTER how small.
I am.
Above my pay grade
The job is above Odopeys pay grade.
Hey AJ. did you read the comments by
sarahPluvsabortions from that link you just posted.
She is one sick puppy.
@Savage24
I’m not surprised. Killing isn’t the Liberal way unless it saves them there so called “Freedoms” and “Choices” anyone want to take dibs on the on how soon the next Civil War will be?
Family man, not until you mentioned it. Holy moly, and the sad thing is they probably wern’t joking.
chapoutier said (#176):
No to the steak knives, but since you’re going to be a neighbor, I’ll extend the time limit to join WITH the double shooting range time as your bonus.
I believe in the right to choose:
You can CHOOSE to get pregnant or not! IF YOU DON’T WANT A BABY, DO NOT GET PREGNANT! Sounds like a choice to me!
Republicanvet says:
The Catholic Church is actually doing something about this and it’s not through edicts but through the collective action of members of its congregation. This weekend, right before the end of the liturgy, thousands of Parishes across the nation were asked and encouraged by their respective Right To Life ministries lay leaders to sign postcards addressed to their Legislators, urging Congress NOT TO SUPPORT the Freedom Of Choice Act (FOCA)and other pro-abortion bills and to retain existing laws against government funding and promotion of abortion. We collected hundreds of these postcards in our parish yesterday and more than likely will be doubled at the end of the day. Extrapolate these numbers across the nation and it should amount to hundreds of thousand if not millions of signed petitions to Congress. Hopefully,this grassroot movement by their constituents will get some traction.
They have great hearing the day before election day, but go deaf as a stump the day after.
How would you feel if I told you that I hope you someday find what I have?
Yes…change my words to fit your view. You would have made a nice little Islamist if given the chance.
He isn’t threatening to hunt you down, havok. And to your post above that one, the point is you DON’T HAVE ANYTHING. We regret the emptiness of your views. We prefer the hope of something to come than the nihilistic view that we are nothing once we die.
I’m agnostic. I admit I don’t know if there is or is not a god or a spirit or an afterlife. It is not a nihilistic view. If you want to make me beleive what you do then come up with some proof.
Why would anyone care what you believe?
They shouldn’t so perhaps no one should care what you beleive either.
We hear it everyday from the World of Unbelievers, their movies, televisions, schools and such-so we feel pity for them–sorry.
Athiests are non-beleivers. Agnostics admit they don’t know. You should not confuse the two. It’s like saying Christianity, Hinduism and Islam are the same.
Proof? I’ll try.
A flower
What you see in the eyes of a child
Your conscience
The fact we have everything available to lead happy lives if we use what we have given correctly
God can’t be proven in the physical sense. If you look around and try to see what is all around you in a new way and open your heart, you will not need to find God. He already knows where you are and will let you know he is there with you.
When some do that they find Shiva or Buddah or Allah or maybe a flying spaghetti monster.
Flyover….thanks for being polite. I honestly do have an admiration for those with faith. It’s anoying that many of those with faith don’t have an understanding for those of us still looking and trying find answers.
Why can’t you admit you don’t know, but come down on the side of believing there is no God?
Havok,
The reason I am a Christian is very simple. I have come to accept what makes Christians, at least most of us, unique.
Christians come to accept the principle of, “I can’t.” What I mean by that is every other faith provides a supposed path for you to to obtain eternal life through you own efforts.
We believe you can’t. We are flawed and no matter how hard we try on our own it is futile. God’s grace and his undeserved love save us.
Also, no matter how complex life seems to get, you one day realize if we all truly followed, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” the whole world would be a pretty nice place to live on instead of what we see on the news.
Have a good rest of your day. You are opening you heart and your mind to see what is beyond what your senses perceive. That is more than most are willing to do. I applaud you for that. Now I ask you to feel sympathy for me as I have to clean my basement….YUK.
I am not saying it is not a worthy ideal to pursue, but surely you understand that this concept is hardly unique to Judaeism/Christianity and predates either of these religions.
I certainly do.
….. and don’t call me Shirley.
(sorry Chap, could not resist)
Flyoverman,
Have you ever been to a Turkish prison?
Chap,
No,but I ave seen a grown man naked and I do like gladiator movies.
Actually, there is lots of evidence for God, particularly the Christian God. See Gary Habermas’ historical evidence for the resurrection, or anything by William Lane Craig.
If you are an athiest you state there is no god and you don’t leave the door open that there *might* be one (or two or three….). Atheists can no more prove that god does not exist than the various beleivers can prove some god does exist. God is an insoluble argument when physical proof is unavailable and instead the various proofs are based on emotion, thoughts and belief. Each person has a different threshhold on what validates their non-physical proof.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic
havok said:
You’re right about the atheist part – (even in theory) it is impossible to prove that no god of any kind exists. But you are wrong about the believer’s part. There is no reason (at least in theory) that it would be impossible to show positive evidence for the existence of God.
There is also positive evidence for the theory of evolution but many refuse to deal with it. It is just a theory and is generally unprovable at this point but in a million years with enough research and observation it may be validated.
There is positive evidence for global warming and also positive evidence against. I’m on the side of observe and monitor and let’s see what we get. Panic and giving your money to Al Gore sure won’t help either.
How do you validate a god (from any religion) exists when you have no physical proof?
Physical proof?
Despite Al Gore, Charles Darwin, Emmanuel Kant and their ilk the Proof of God is written in the Glory of His Creation and men’s heart. Some have eyes and will not see, others have hardened their hearts and made either themselves or Creation their gods.
We have Moses, the Prophets and the Gospel of Salvation; it is enough. All we can do is witness for it is the Holy Spirit who saves men’s souls.
In other words: No.
Are you suggesting your/mine/others existence IS the proof?
Yes, havok, you are proof that God exists.
Havok,
If you are looking for answers try Googling “Dr. Ivan Panin”
And see if mathematical proof will open your mind to the possibility of God writing a message to you and I across thousands of years by different authors with one message in mind.
Just give it a try and see where it leads you.
Thank you all for keeping the atheist/agnostic/believer conversation civil. It makes it much better to read, and the various points are made more effective. The conversation is important, even if there are no conversions either way, as the understanding of all of us is enhanced.
Kevin,
It is very important to keep this discussion civil. There is no benefit to anyone by starting to kick over the beehive in order to retrieve the honey.
If that is the case you people are in serious trouble. 8^]
I’ll second Kevin K’s sentiment.
I will do such. For fun you should try looking up Shermer’s essay on glorious contingency.
not good
You want proof of God?
one word: ISRAEL.
it exists as a nation again, as the Lord of Hosts said it would…and He said Iran and Russia will lead a confederacy of nations against it…
think it’ll happen?? we all know its just a matter of time before Iran attacks Israel…and who is helping Iran build the bomb?? oh yeah the RUSSIANS…big surprise huh??
and when they do invade, they’re in for a very ugly surprise
oh yeah He said this would happen 2,500 years ago through Ezekiel the prophet…check out chapters 37-39
havok said:
What exactly do you consider “physical” proof?
That is why they call it faith.
faith
n.
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
Jamson64 said:
Definition #1 is what the Bible teaches about faith. #2 is not what the Bible teaches, but many people mistakenly adhere to it.
Jesus told His critics, if there isn’t any reason to believe Him, they aren’t obligated to believe. But if there are good reasons to believe in Him, then they are obligated to believe. See John 10:37-38.
It get weirder and stranger all the time:
PELOSI SAYS BIRTH CONTROL WILL HELP ECONOMY
We can’t have the abortion mills laying off baby killers now can we?
Psalms 139:13-16: For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
Yes.
When asked about the Pope’s condemnation of his EO. President Obama was reported to have asked, “How many divisions does the Vatican have?”
President Obortion
It makes my skin crawl and my stomach churn to see this man (and I use the term loosely) anywhere near a child, knowing full well he would have no problem with an abortionist stabbing that healthy child and sucking out his brains then flushing his remains down a garbage disposal all in the name of “a woman’s right to choose.” We should learn a lesson from the Old Testament – the kings of Israel allowed their children to “pass through the fire”, that is, they we sacrificed as burnt offerings on the alters of false gods and Israel came under divine judgment because if it. Are we really any better?
misterbee241 said:
Yes, when Jesus wished to speak of the fate of the damned, He pointed to Gehenna (translated as “Hell”). Gehenna is the valley of the son of Hinnom, the place where they sacrificed and slaughtered their own children, where the fire is never quenched, and the worm never dies.
Woe to those who support such things!
You people don’t care about life.
If any of you cared about life you would have protested the war in Iraq.
Ilovemycountry said:
Projection.
Liberals don’t care about life.
If they did, they would protest against abortion on demand.
Personally, I think taking out someone like Saddam Hussein – you know, who fed people into woodchippers feet first just for disagreeing with him – and replacing his mass graves with a democracy is consistent with a respect for life.
Trollman – give me a break.
We went there for WMD’s remember? And we dropped thousands of bombs and killed over 600,000 people.
Is this how you explain your indifference to Iraqi life to your God?
Ilovemycountry said:
600,000? Pfft, rookie.
Try over 40 million, perhaps over 50 million. And get this, NONE of them were terrorists or insurgents, they were ALL innocent.
– that was pretty funny – gotta give credit where it’s due. Thanks
When the USA suffers a Nuclear 9/11 many will say it was because Obama did this or that or closed Gitmo, or was too friendly with Iran or whatever race/religion/nationality the nukers were.
My answer will be that it was because the USA chose to elect a man who made it easier to shed innocent blood, something that God hates (see Proverbs 6.16-17).
Proof, please, that the USA has killed 600,000+ Iraqis sicne 2003. So far, I’ve seen this quote A LOT without one shred nor iota of proof. Proof, reference, or evidence, please — put up or shut up….
Agree Jason L. Where is proof of $600,000? I also have never seen anything to back up that number. Ilovemycountry (what a misnomer!)needs to pick up a Bible. God says it’s the responsibility of Gentiles to defend and protect his chosen ones, Israel, and to that end defend them against ruthless, sadistic butchers such as Saddam Hussein and all other terrorists groups (such as Hamas). Liberals have no solid footing in any claim when they say that we Republican conservatives have taken lives arbitrarily. We are collectively appalled by the taking of INNOCENT lives of those who have no defense. Based on your statement, ILMC, we should have done nothing when Hitler came to power? Get your facts together and start with reading the bible about Isaac and Ishmael (so you can better understand why you sympathize with Muslim terrorists). IMO, you are a putz.