“It seems the era of Hope is to be inaugurated with a slaughter of the innocents.”

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 24, 2009 10:52 AM

There’s a very powerful read from Gerald Warner in the London Telegraph today. A snippet:

This will end in tears. The Obama hysteria is not merely embarrassing to witness, it is itself contributory to the scale of the disaster that is coming. What we are experiencing, in the deepening days of a global depression, is the desperate suspension of disbelief by people of intelligence – la trahison des clercs – in a pathetic effort to hypnotise themselves into the delusion that it will be all right on the night. It will not be all right…

…To anyone who kept his head, the string of Christmas cracker mottoes booming through the public address system on Washington’s National Mall can only excite scepticism. It is crucial to recall the reality that lies behind the rhetoric. Denouncing “those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents” comes ill from a man whose flagship legislation, the Freedom of Choice Act, will impose abortion, including partial-birth abortion, on every state in the Union. It seems the era of Hope is to be inaugurated with a slaughter of the innocents.

Obama’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is like one of those toxic packages traded by bankers: it camouflages many unaffordable gifts to his client state. With a federal deficit already at $1.2 trillion, Obama wants to squander $825 billion (which will undoubtedly mushroom to more than $1 trillion) on creating 600,000 more government jobs and a further 459,000 in “green energy” (useless wind turbines and other Heath-Robinson contraptions favoured by Beltway environmentalists).

It is frightening to think there is a real possibility that the entire world economy could go into complete meltdown and famine kill millions. Yet Western – and British – commentators are cocooned in a warm comfort zone of infatuation with America’s answer to Neil Kinnock. We should be long past applauding politicians of any hue: they got us into this mess. The best deserve a probationary opportunity to prove themselves, the worst should be in jail.

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  1. #101
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:37 pm, Jvette said:

    Bye all, got things to do, but as always it’s been fun:) Have a God blessed day.

  2. #102
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:37 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Gee, Green Libby, why aren’t you the leader of the free world? You seem so smart and are the only on with all the answers. I’m sure even the islamofacists will see it your way and we’ll all sing Kumbaya. Shoot! Maybe the French will like us if we sign up for your world view. On second thought I’ll stay right where I’m at. I’ll take my chances that the Bible isn’t a big myth and that Jesus is coming soon.

  3. #103
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:38 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    I just looked through the a few of the photos of the March 2009 that Michelle linked to, and was struck by what I DIDN’T see.

    -No Black bandannas covering people’s faces

    -No signs comparing current politicians to history’s worst monsters

    -No pics of Che

    -No vulgarity, obscenity, or crudely drawn genitals on posters

    -No communist literature being handed out

    -No long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking FM types playing their acoustic guitars while weirdos prance around them, being sure to draw attention to themselves instead of their cause

    -No signs for every other cause under the sun

    -No people in masks or dressed as clowns or other outlandish costumes

    Of course, I didn’t look through all 476 photos.

  4. #104
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:38 pm, pgtips said:

    Mattymatt is correct. Of all the areas facing famine, how many of them are ruled by dicatators and despots? All of them.

    Sort out the politics, and the people will sort themselves out.

  5. #105
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:41 pm, brad_sk said:

    Yea…this is bad decision by Obama. But his decision to make Freedom of Information act (FOIA) to be really FOIA act is good one…

  6. #106
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:42 pm, Trollman said:

    greenLibertarian said:

    Famine will and does exist due largely to overpopulation, too many people for the environment to support. Yet many of us believe that we can increase our population without limit, and destroy the environment, forever. We need birth controls and limits on family size.

    Yeah, I think you’re right! The world is over populated.

    Since you are so smart (you look like a born leader), why don’t you show us the way towards lowering population? You know, the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Take one for the team. Reduce your carbon emissions to zero. Abort.

    Remember, this isn’t about you, it’s about the greater good, and we already have waaaay too many people.

    P.S.: Can I have your stuff? Thanks!

  7. #107
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:47 pm, Mister P said:

    There are significantly higher levels of methane (far worse than CO2) and CO2 in the atmosphere, and I don’t believe anyone fully understands exactly how much we can alter the environment without causing irreparable and significant damage, so why risk doing so when we can avoid it?

    You are joking right. You justify abortion yet science does not know when human life begins, you would think you would then err on the side that it is truly human and abortion is really murder.

    Let you think CO2 and Methane gas is harmful even though no science can prove it and you would err that it is, thus greatly restricting the activities of free societies.

  8. #108
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, Shintosan said:

    So for the past 8 years the left complained, moaned, criticized, swore, and divided the country at the expense of the President we on the right are now required or expected to come together with the left on their agenda? I find that both insulting and hypocritical. We need to point out at every opportunity the left’s dysfunctional, socialistic, destructive, and amoral positions as the voice of dissent or otherwise be d@#mned at the consequences. Granted, I am preaching to the choir here. So we see one reporter from Europe who gets it. When I am in Europe this next week, I will see just how many more get it or are on the Obamabandwangon.

  9. #109
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:56 pm, allrsn said:

    Gerald Warner has finally stated the facts no one else will state.

    I wish he had also gone into the whys.

  10. #110
    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, Dave Turson said:

    Yet Western – and British – commentators are cocooned in a warm comfort zone of infatuation with America’s answer to Neil Kinnock.

    Kinnock’s Wikipedia entry contains this Biden electorate slap:

    Biden incident
    Kinnock gained attention in the United States in 1987 when it was discovered that Delaware Senator Joe Biden had inadvertently plagiarised one of Kinnock’s speeches during his 1988 presidential campaign.[6] This led to Biden’s withdrawing from the race.[7]
    On January 18, 2009 Glenys Kinnock revealed on the BBC’s Andrew Marr show that she and Neil Kinnock had received a personal invitation from Joe Biden to attend Barack Obama’s presidential inauguration on January 20, 2009 at the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C..

  11. #111
    On January 24th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, allrsn said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:45 am, rfjjulie said:
    Excellent article and so true.
    iamsaved said:

    He sympathizes with the GITMO terrorist’s not getting their full, constitutional rights (rights they are not entitled to) and is worried they may become “uncomfortable” when water boarded. Yet he has no qualms at using our tax dollars to slaughter and torture the most defenseless in the world. And while he’s at it, encouraging and embracing embryonic stem cell research, taking the Culture of Death to new heights.
    And after we have “universal health care” what do you think the O’s views will be on dialysis (sp), organ transplant, or other ailments, will old age become a factor in medical care, ie, cost to benefit analysis? And will the O make those decisions?
    You smoke, no medical care.
    You’re overweight, no medical care.

    You have outlived your usefullness to society.
    Not cost effective.

    This is getting truly scary!

    God help us.

    THIS IS WORTH A REPOST

  12. #112
    On January 24th, 2009 at 3:12 pm, allrsn said:

    As I read and scanned page one of this comments it seems most commenters missed the point of the article, they fixated on abortion.

    Abortion may be a problem but it is NOT THE PROBLEM the article was trying to address. THIS ARTICLE is trying to address the horrid disaster of a looming world wide economic collapse.

    Again I wish he had also gone into the whys of these intentional actions.

  13. #113
    On January 24th, 2009 at 3:23 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, greenLibertarian said:
    Famine will and does exist due largely to overpopulation, too many people for the environment to support. Yet many of us believe that we can increase our population without limit, and destroy the environment, forever. We need birth controls and limits on family size. It is working in China, which is a great example – along with India and Mexico City, of what the future holds for us if we don’t stop the insanity of unlimited births.

    mattymatt10 I’m calling bullcrap on that one. ….

    I do too but for a whole different reason. The richest countries not only have the cleanest environment, (because they can afford the real kind of environmentalism), they also have the LOWEST birth rates. The US is no exception; the INDIGENOUS population replacement rate for the USA is less than two. See http://www.numbersusa.org/

    If places like Africa and Central America became as rich as the USA their populations would also stabilize like ours. Socialism is a DISEASE in those places because it keeps the poor – poor. Freedom and capitalism is the cure.

  14. #114
    On January 24th, 2009 at 3:39 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:41 pm, brad_sk said:

    Yea…this is bad decision by Obama. But his decision to make Freedom of Information act (FOIA) to be really FOIA act is good one…

    Really? How long will it be before Obie neuters FOIA as an act of self-preservation. True transparency is a two-way window. Obie prefers to stand behind the mirror and look out.

  15. #115
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, InCali said:

    If one believes that this should be decided on a scientific definition of life, then that can be easily turned on its head. One of the definitions of life is the ability to reproduce. It is true that children don’t have the ability to reproduce until their teenage years. Can we abort them at age 7? Yes, it is an absurd argument, but demonstrates that even scientific definitions aren’t so black and white. There was a book with this concept, but I forget the title. Just something to contemplate.

  16. #116
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    DNA establishes the baseline of creation… for those of you who still wish to see babies killed, remember that. DNA, jackasses!

  17. #117
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, havok said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, greenLibertarian said:
    Interesting that no one seems able to respond to the reasoning of posters like myself, resorting instead to quoting scripture. Religion is faith, not fact.

    When I worked for the police we had a dude who was convinced aliens lived in his shed. We got sent to his place for welfare checks on a regular basis. After some time I stopped trying to convince him there were no aliens around since it seemed his beleif over-rode any form of facts used as counter arguments (he had an excuse for any thing you could come up with…like they transported away when you opened the door…but they did not when he opened the door). You need to accept that those who beleive in whatever god they may will also not listen…you are doing no more than pissing in the wind on the issue. I approach it this way: You don’t impose or try to make me beleive in your god and I won’t try or impose on you that maybe we just don’t know if there is or is not a god.

  18. #118
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:23 pm, havok said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 2:37 pm, PatriotRider said:
    Gee, Green Libby, why aren’t you the leader of the free world? You seem so smart and are the only on with all the answers. I’m sure even the islamofacists will see it your way and we’ll all sing Kumbaya. Shoot! Maybe the French will like us if we sign up for your world view. On second thought I’ll stay right where I’m at. I’ll take my chances that the Bible isn’t a big myth and that Jesus is coming soon.

    Wow…so if someone does not bow to you or beleive as you then degrade them. Maybe Obama has a spot on his cabinet for you.

  19. #119
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, cicerokid said:
  20. #120
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, beenthere said:

    A power-lusting leader with messianic delusions? Race-obsessed followers set upon transforming the nation? The endless demonization of opponents, viewing them as subhuman? It’s all there and no good can possibly come of it. If conservatives and republicans won’t fight back, and I mean fight, then the only hope for saving the country is a military dictatorship — not the most agreeable of options to be sure but we are talking the grim realities of history, not some grandiose wish list.

    Obama is as predictable as he is frightening. You can take the boy out of Chicago, but you cannot take Chicago out of the boy. He may have left Trinity Church, but Trinity has most emphatically not left him. The tragic negro, like others of his ilk, will only lead the nation to ruin and slaughter. I wish more than anything I could get off this train, but none of us can. Where, pray tell, could we possibly go?

    So when will the Enabling Act be passed?

  21. #121
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, JT said:

    Just wait because the Catholic Church has not weighed in on this. What is Obama going to do, when the Church says they’ll close hospitals rather then be forced to do abortions.

    It will be a health crisis that will bury Obama.

    I wish I had confidence in this. I see the Catholic Church rolling over on several things, including abortion-supporting politicians, and nothing seems to change.

    Even if they did close and cause a crisis, it would give Urkel a chance to ram through socialist health care.

    …or a bailout where federal money is provided to some group to run the former Catholic hospitals.

    According to that childish ass Emanuel, you never want a good crisis to go to waste.

  22. #122
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Famine will and does exist due largely to overpopulation, too many people for the environment to support. Yet many of us believe that we can increase our population without limit, and destroy the environment, forever. We need birth controls and limits on family size. It is working in China, which is a great example – along with India and Mexico City, of what the future holds for us if we don’t stop the insanity of unlimited births.

    Dictatorial little jackass.

    Why don’t you do your part in saving the planet and offing yourself first?

    What? No courage in your convictions?

  23. #123
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, mojack420 said:

    if abortion is so great then let the chosen one abort his two kids .

  24. #124
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Liberals, libertarians ( those who sit on a fence and have no courage) and fascists, Marxists, communists, vegans and others….. live now… you are about to be cerebrally mocked and attacked but should you threaten me physically or economically you better have courage… because I have the will… you are effluence in the country I wish to protect.

  25. #125
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, Jamson64 said:

    Lay off GreenLibertarian. He bought his carbon credits. /Sarc

    Green- you can leave buddy…anytime.

    The reality is we are NOT overpopulated. The myth is not reality. Why are some places really crowded and have a great quality of life? It is really about the use of resources and corruption. Do some research ….then leave.

  26. #126
    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Interesting that no one seems able to respond to the reasoning of posters like myself, resorting instead to quoting scripture.

    Perhaps if you exhibited even a small amount of reasoning, others would find it worth responding.

    So far, you have exhibited selfishness, a willingness to treat an unborn baby as something disposable, and suggest if someone has a baby it will contribute to the pollution of the planet, as if the baby is another lump of trash.

    You blithely refer to killing a baby as being cheaper, which indicates you think of abortion as nothing more than a cheap way of controlling something that happened one Saturday night.

    Ever hear of adoption? Or is that not fast enough to fix your little Saturday night problem? I suppose it might cause your party schedule to change for a few months.

    You suggest people are ill or might die of starvation. Given your cavalier attitude in killing the unborn, I would not be surprised you would advocate killing the ill or starving rather than treating the ill and feeding those starving.

    …to save the planet from pollution of course.

    Those that ARE sick or starving are likely sick and starving because they live in a country where the rule of law is replaced by some thug, kept in power by leftists that look the other way, or whine if someone tries to do something about it.

    …but boy do you feel good if you donate a few bucks to UNICEF once in awhile, if at all.

    The US has been feeding the world for a long time, and could do even more if the leftists in government got the hell out of the way and allowed free market farming to work.

    Instead, leftists in government have no qualms about using food as a weapon.

    Enough reason for you?

  27. #127
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, dadinseattle said:

    One common thread runs with the liberal dog.
    They never want to accept responsibility for their own actions!

    Whether it is aborting a “problem”, or stealing the fruit of other peoples labor, they justify it by blaming others for their circumstances.

    Immature children practice this also, but most grow out of the stage and learn of consequences.

    When a herd mentality meets a charismatic narcissist the result is- irrational adulation.

    That is how we got a ideological Marxist with radical ideas on trashing life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness elected as the so called leader of the free world.

    We are in big trouble if we act as if the above is not true.

    The future is looking ominous and dark.

    Closing Gitmo releases terrorists one way or another.

    Life is listed as the first unalienable right.
    Killing, to avoid responsibility, is not listed as a right anywhere!

    The economy has no chance for recovery under Obama’s ideas for “change” and his policies could lead to mass misery on a global scale.

    Should “the press” ever pinch themselves awake (and realized they were punked by Obama), they’d realize that if they let him, they will be restricted to soft little underhand tosses verses the high and tight fastballs they are accustomed to. They might also realize by not doing their job, they have cheated Americans, and aided in the defeat of liberty and freedom!

  28. #128
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Inasmuch as abortion is primarily aimed to help people too stupid and/or lazy to practice effective birth control, is it any wonder that it’s a cornerstone of the liberal agenda?

    Every plank in their platform is ostensibly about “enabling” those too unfortunate fend for themselves. In reality, of course, it’s not about enabling anything – it’s about exploiting. It’s bread and circuses, 21st Century style.

    Give them “tax rebates.” Give them citizenship. Give them abortions. Hey, give them partial birth abortions – in fact, give them *infanticide,* if that’s what they want. Give them liberal justice when they break the law. Give them free healthcare. Give them a free pension. Give them a guilt-assuaging, if made-up, “green” agenda.

    Give them, give them, give them.

    And only ask for two teeny thing in return: their votes, and their liberty.

    Liberals are too stupid to realize what liberty is, let alone recognize its value.

  29. #129
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 1:13 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    These are the SAME kind of ignorant people who thought Sarah Palin actually said she could see Russia from her house. Few in MSM outside of those like Sean Hannity ever mentioned BHO’s IL nay vote on the Born Alive Protection Act and lame McCain hardly made it much of an issue when he should have POUNDED BHO for favoring something that evil.

    Interesting how many socialists were so concerned over Trig and her daughters pregnancy…their colors are certainly showing now huh?

  30. #130
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:16 pm, Ron said:

    Hurrah for Gerald Warner! He hit it on the head. It’s time to not only cling to our guns and our religion, but to actually do something in support of both, such as fighting the Obama agenda tooth and nail. And that agenda will involve suspension of Second Amendment rights, and it will involve substituting a humanistic religion of the state for individual or organized religion. Think of the infringement of individual rights that he’s on-board with, whether union organizing or abortion enshrinement. He’ll turn the current economic climate into justification for Marxist ideology. If we don’t speak out and do everything we can, at the ballot box or in court, to stop this power grab, we’ll live to regret it, and our children and grandchildren (those lucky enough to be born) will be more taxed and less free.

  31. #131
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Green said
    We need birth controls and limits on family size. It is working in China,

    Birthrates decline as income increases. The wealthiest in all populations are having less that two children per couple. Check the U.S. birth stats. Unless we have immigration, we have a declining population.

    Life begins at conception is a religious belief, not supported by science.

    Life begins at conception and at no other time, unless you measure life as brain wave activity which begins at four weeks.

  32. #132
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:26 pm, TXGator said:

    Republicanvet,
    Liberals don’t need to do anything to feel better about themselves, unless you count thinking about helping everyone (that isn’t white male Christian) on the planet. That makes them more compassionate and worldly than stupid conservatives.
    That and echo all the socialist talking points that do not adhere to the reality of human nature.

    It is intellectual masturbation that only makes the liberal feel better for a short while.

  33. #133
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, FamilyMan said:

    HEY! GREEN Be careful. There is a very fine line between Libertarism and Anarchism.

  34. #134
    On January 24th, 2009 at 5:30 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 3:39 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    Really? How long will it be before Obie neuters FOIA as an act of self-preservation. True transparency is a two-way window. Obie prefers to stand behind the mirror and look out.

    The minute any organization submits a FOIA for his Blackberry messages.

    …or documentation connecting him to Ayers/Rezko/Blago/whatever other thug out there he is connected to.

    …or the minute one is filed for his Birth Certificate.

    …or the minute one is filed for his college records.

  35. #135
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:09 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    No offense folks but, to put a little spin on this…I support abortion after rape, or incest with one caveat. DNA samples MUST be preserved to help find the culprit ! This defends people from charges that are not true and, punishes the guilty.

  36. #136
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:11 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    I would NOT want my daughter to carry a rapist’s child for ONE moment. Bad enough, she would have to be checked-rechecked for STD’s and AIDS.

  37. #137
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:12 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    I can think of ways to handle incest too but, they may be a violation of certain rights. :shock:

  38. #138
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Partial-Borth abortion to save the health of the mother ? Please…Creating a breech-birth situation is high-risk and barbaric.

  39. #139
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:15 pm, havok said:

    Wow. GreenLibeterian (who I don’t totally agree with) was putting some ideas out there for discussion. Instead they are attacked. It seems you guys are as intolerant as the far left shows themselves to be.

  40. #140
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:16 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Familyman: Libertarians want to go back to founding fathers intent when they were alive. How is this anarchy? Were George Washington…Thomas Jefferson, et al. anarchists?

  41. #141
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:17 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Abortion is a states rights issue. The Supreme Court made an abortion out of the Constitution for political reasons.

  42. #142
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:17 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    havoc: Some of us like to use our brains too. I’m not a doctrinary knee-jerk.

  43. #143
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:18 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    sorry Havok. :)

  44. #144
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:31 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Libertarians want to design a society that doesn’t require any supervision. They want to devise a perfect and limited set of rules to govern humanity without modification forever. They (rightly!) don’t trust future governments to use power in a limited way — even if they happen to think the present government would use power wisely — so they seek to limit the power of government as much as possible. It makes sense. But I don’t think it’ll work.

    Instead, I think we need a government with a bit more power than a libertarian would prefer, and that we need to exercise constant vigilance to ensure that the government doesn’t use its power wrongly. My approach isn’t as nice and neat as the libertarian solution, and it requires ongoing effort, but it has the advantage of being possible (which makes it more elegant). To a great extent, libertarians (classical liberals) appear to live in as idealistic a fantasy world as do modern liberals.

  45. #145
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:32 pm, right_on said:

    Green lib-

    You are not a liberal. That is truly apparent. I don’t think there has been a classification made for your political persuasion yet, unless it encompasses something with the name “GAIA” in it. You are WAY to the left!

    Have fun yanking everyone’s chain here, and welcome to the troll list. May the Goddess bless you!

  46. #146
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, CW4_KGP said:

    mattymat, you said:


    Rid the world of greed and corruption and prosperity will reach more people. I know, I know, tall order.

    Maybe you didn’t get the word. BHO is now Pee-resident. He can do it. He is our savior. Yes He Can. Hope. Change.

  47. #147
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:39 pm, right_on said:

    Religion is faith, not fact.

    Much like the Green Movement. They do not practice what they preach…instead pointing out the flaws in everyone else.

  48. #148
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:45 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Familyman: I guess, I was raised to know that my rights end, at your nose..To loosely paraphrase. Using the Constitution, AS WRITTEN, Do you believe that G. Washington and, T. Jefferson were anarchists? What scares you so much about enumerated powers? When people say yes but…That is the slippery slope. States can define laws as long as they do not interfere with Federal Gov’t. Which means that, yes, drugs can be illegal still…But, at the State level; not the Federal. Why is this concept scary? state Gov’t is FAR more responsive to voters.

  49. #149
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:48 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    So, at least we argue in favor of limited powers; just a slight disagreement on how to keep them limited. Federalist Papers should be mandatory for all educated people to know.

  50. #150
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:52 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Let’s not argue whether Baptists are better than Lutherans…Jews are better than Episcopalians. it makes my heart break to see and, read this. Most of us are believers in the Supreme Being. Let’s see what we can do in his kingdom in earth and leave the judgement where it belongs.

  51. #151
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:52 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    on earth…sorry :)

  52. #152
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Jeff2161 said:state Gov’t is FAR more responsive to voters.

    YES

    Federalist Papers should be mandatory for all educated people to know.

    YES AGAIN

    What scares you so much about enumerated powers?

    Nothing. They are the necessary limitation of the Constitution.

  53. #153
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:57 pm, love2rumba said:

    The best (politicians)deserve a probationary opportunity to prove themselves, the worst should be in jail.

    A very appropriate statement about the politicians of the Western World in my view.

  54. #154
    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:58 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Scary stuff, eh? Sorry, A little up-er slipped out…Northern Michigan to most other folks. So, Roe vs. Wade is an abortion of Law because, it violates state rights. The rights in the constitution are what true Libertarians believe. We are the real strict-constructionists.

  55. #155
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:00 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    If other employees in America have to serve a minimum 9 day probationary procedure…Why should they not have to prove themselves? Oh, they are entitled…Sorry, My bad…

  56. #156
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:00 pm, bjc said:

    *Mr. Warner is correct in that he will not have to eat his words, and neither will I; I have said all along that P-BO is destined to fail, and it is all about his failed ideology(socialism); The blowback may take time, but when it hits, it will be full bore.
    *People need to remember that, in part, it was George Bush, John McCain, and a herd of RINO’s that has given us a P-BO; Bush is now part of history, but the others remain to carry the water for P-BO, Nazi Pelosi, and Harry Reid; The Republicans as a whole should not assist in propping up that three-legged stool, but instead should begin leading with the likes of DeMint, Pence, etc., while telling the likes of McCain and Grahamnesty to shut the hell up and take a seat in the back.

  57. #157
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:01 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    sorry 90 day…Sticky keyboard…Something I read earlier caused a little liquid damage…

  58. #158
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Jeff
    Our political differences are minuscule compared to the sociopaths running this country.
    Where are the trolls when you need a good argument?

  59. #159
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, palani said:

    Yes, we are all lemmings now, following our glorious leader over the cliff of misguided good intentions.

    But we will survive even this.

  60. #160
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:04 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    All you need are facts for a good argument. No, I don’t know where lgm or chapa are. I admire chap’s logic though. He is consistent and intelligent.

  61. #161
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:05 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Or, paraphrasing…” Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument. “

  62. #162
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:06 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Cliff-Diving…Obama-style…

  63. #163
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:08 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    At least, now he’s in Washington D.C. ; We don’t have to see him in swim trunks for awhile, flexing his AB’s. Why no pic’s of Michelle O. in a swimsuit?

  64. #164
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:11 pm, palani said:

    Michelle’s O’s fitness level is vastly exaggerated. Would much prefer Michelle M. in a swimsuit.

  65. #165
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:13 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    An example of advertising the fight against overwhelming authority.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDJWhDswmTs
    :shock:

  66. #166
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Talking about equal time, not prurient interest…Although, could be a heck of a fund-raiser…One-piece though, please? Let’s enjoy MM for her mind which truly, is the best, and sexiest part of a person.

  67. #167
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:20 pm, cicerokid said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:11 pm, Jeff2161 said:
    “I would NOT want my daughter to carry a rapist’s child for ONE moment.”

    So, is that innocent life worth less somehow, Jeff? I wouldn’t want my daughter raped, either. But I am not the master over life and death, irregardless.

  68. #168
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:27 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Yes, I guess that a child created through violence, to me, has less value. Hypocrisy? Maybe but, the vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with rape, nor incest. Just, lazy thinking. Of course, Jesus was undoubtedly conceived through rape but, This is my feelings on the matter. I accept the fact that, I may be less than perfect and could live with it. That’s why I want to have fetal tissue saved for criminal prosecution.

  69. #169
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:35 pm, FamilyMan said:

    palani said:
    Michelle’s O’s fitness level is vastly exaggerated. Would much prefer Michelle M. in a swimsuit.

    Now that is something we all can agree on.

  70. #170
    On January 24th, 2009 at 7:43 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Jeff-2161 said:Jesus was undoubtedly conceived through rape but,

    Mary and Joe were probably members of the Essenes sect of Judaism. In their tradition a women was considered a virgin for the first year of marriage. Rape is a stretch.

  71. #171
    On January 24th, 2009 at 8:18 pm, Zaz said:

    It seems to me that the Obamasiah should be put on trial as an accessory to murder of the innocents. While I believe that abortion is a horrible thing, I believe that people who value life will not have abortions and those who do not value life will have abortions. So over time the abortionist’s numbers will dwindle and only the intelligent folks who value life will remain.

  72. #172
    On January 24th, 2009 at 8:33 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Jeff2161 said:
    I admire chap’s logic though. He is consistent and intelligent.

    Chappy is a closet conservative. He just won’t admit it.

  73. #173
    On January 24th, 2009 at 8:44 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    He will, under this administration. Give him time.

  74. #174
    On January 24th, 2009 at 8:45 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Rape, ok…Thank those polite Romans ?

  75. #175
    On January 24th, 2009 at 8:54 pm, skysoljr82 said:

    greenLib seems to be saying, (to me any way) that he/she is not religious, but spiritual. My translation of that is you think you’re brilliant but you’re full of warm fuzzy little balls of crap. I don’t think you’re fooling anybody here with your “straddle the fence” positions. Libertarian my man-sized a$$.

  76. #176
    On January 24th, 2009 at 9:12 pm, chapoutier said:

    #

    Jeff2161 said:
    I admire chap’s logic though. He is consistent and intelligent.

    Chappy is a closet conservative. He just won’t admit it.
    #
    #173
    On January 24th, 2009 at 8:44 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    He will, under this administration. Give him time.

    If I join in the next 20 minutes will you DOUBLE my free shooting range lessons AND throw in a free set of steak knives?

  77. #177
    On January 24th, 2009 at 9:39 pm, ajmontana said:

    Geeze Chap with all the giveaways in the works at least hold out for a clapper.

  78. #178
    On January 24th, 2009 at 9:41 pm, chapoutier said:

    Geeze Chap with all the giveaways in the works at least hold out for a clapper.

    I thought that was reserved for Platinum Level Conservative Members.

  79. #179
    On January 24th, 2009 at 9:42 pm, ajmontana said:

    my bad.

  80. #180
    On January 24th, 2009 at 9:45 pm, Floyd R. Turbo said:

    Mr. Warner is right on. Seems there are at least a few intelligent, thinking folk left in the UK. Two of his closing lines speak volumes:

    We should be long past applauding politicians of any hue: they got us into this mess. The best deserve a probationary opportunity to prove themselves, the worst should be in jail. [HA! Dodd & Frank!]

    …the most powerful nation on earth is confronting its worst economic crisis under the leadership of its most extremely liberal politician, who has virtually no experience of federal politics. That is not an opportunity but a catastrophe.

    If only we’d had a few more thinking voters, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Ah, well.

  81. #181
    On January 24th, 2009 at 9:52 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, greenLibertarian said:
    Famine will and does exist due largely to overpopulation, too many people for the environment to support.

    Man was I right about you.

    Japan is the most populous country on earth when you look at the number of people/land acreage and most of the land in Japan is mountainous.

    Anyone see a famine happening in Japan?

    South Korea is highly over populated, and like Japan most of their land is vertical.

    Anyone see a famine happening in South Korea?

    North Korea has a much smaller population than its neighbor to the south, and most of the land there is arable (for you Obama voters that means you can farm it.)

    Any one see a famine happening in North Korea?

    You’re right! Every damn year!

    Hong Kong is a city/state. They have no farm land at all, and millions of mouths to feed.

    Ever hear of a famine in Hong Kong?

    Russia is the mother of all farmland – no country bigger, and no harvests richer than those in the Ukrain.

    Ever hear of a famine in Russia?

    Again you’re right! Russian food shortages are the standard that the failure of Communism is based on. One famine alone in Russia costs 38 million lives, and that was caused by the government to suppress uprisings.

    China is second only to Russia in landmass and even though they have the largest population on earth their land is very rich and aerable. Ever hear of a famine in China?

    Oh yeah – their 3 year famine that ended in 1960 claimed 36 million lives and is mostly due to governmental mismanagement. There hasn’t been one since even though weather conditions have been worse mostly because Mao is dead.

    Famine used to the the rule of thumb in India, but since they gained their independence and became a true democracy they’ve had ONE – regardless of over crowding and an exploding population.

    The number one cause of famine in the modern world is BAD GOVERNMENT. What is called the Green Revolution has pretty much seen the end of famine due to natural causes. If a country has a natural disaster modern transportation can get food to the needy people in hours unfortunately as we’ve seen through out Africa and well documented in Somolia, local warlords capture the food and use it to subdue the population as Stalin did in the 1930′s.

    UNFORTUNATELY Famine is going to soon become the norm again. Not because of global warming, that doesn’t exist. Not because of the coming ice age, we probably won’t last that long. It’s because so called “Environmentalists” are doing everything they can to ban the chemicals that gave us the green revolution that allows us to feed not only our children but the world.

    Thanks again lefties. Your help is going to kill us all, but that should make you happy.

  82. #182
    On January 24th, 2009 at 10:03 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Chap said throw in a free set of steak knives?

    Hey Chap,
    In the movie “Glen Gary Glen Ross” the steak Knives were the second prize. You need to shoot for #1 like all good conservatives do.

  83. #183
    On January 24th, 2009 at 10:16 pm, Send_Me said:

    Folks, here are the enumerated powers for Congress as per Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution:
    “To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    To provide and maintain a Navy;
    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
    Amendment 10 states this:
    “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
    So now I ask: how does Obama, those in Congress, or anyone else think that the power to legislate anything regarding abortion, or anything else not covered under the enumerated powers, resides with the federal government? The States, in order to maintain their own authority under the U.S. Constitution, must fight this legislation, regardless of how they feel about the issue in and of itself.

  84. #184
    On January 24th, 2009 at 10:30 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 6:11 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    I would NOT want my daughter to carry a rapist’s child for ONE moment. Bad enough, she would have to be checked-rechecked for STD’s and AIDS.

    So you would murder a child to revenge your daughter’s rape? A child that is genetically hers (and yours)… and that would in some way undo her rape? That is so sick.

  85. #185
    On January 24th, 2009 at 10:46 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Send_Me said:
    So now I ask: how does Obama, those in Congress, or anyone else think that the power to legislate anything regarding abortion, or anything else not covered under the enumerated powers

    The courts found then under the liberal rock called “Positive Law”

  86. #186
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:09 pm, Tazed and Confused said:

    Yo Obie… check this out…
    Momma saved your bacon

    I sure hope you can sleep at night knowing you’re funding the murder of millions. You’re no better than Bin Laden, with your self-centered smugness.

  87. #187
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:27 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 10:30 pm, Tazed and Confused said:
    I’m not righteous enough to turn the other cheek. I’ll have to deal with it on my, and God’s terms. Are you saying God will hate me for defending my child? be careful how you answer…

  88. #188
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:28 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    I realize, God says ” vengeance is mine” I guess, I’m not that holy…But, I try.

  89. #189
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:30 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    I look at the picture of the young mother in the story’s photo and I wonder if she is thinking: “If Obama was President last year I could have aborted this child and Fedzilla would have paid for it and I would not be punished by having a baby“.

    Or perhaps she is just a celebrity loving tonto-we have millions of those.

  90. #190
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:31 pm, PatriotRider said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 4:23 pm, havok said:
    Wow…so if someone does not bow to you or beleive as you then degrade them. Maybe Obama has a spot on his cabinet for you.

    First of all, you bow to me and you might taste filet of “sole”. Second, I was being facetious not degrading. Third, you can choose to believe what you want. That’s the beauty of it. However, there are consequences to choosing poorly. The unrepentant murderers will spend an eterernity in hell. And, for your information, abortion is murder.

    Now, here’s the good part. You can be forgiven of any sin by accepting Jesus as your Savior. It’s a free gift purchased by Jesus on the cross. He died for you. Paul said in Romans 5:8 “[Romans 5:6, 10] while we were still sinners, Christ died for us”. So here’s the deal. In Matthew 16 we read ” 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
    14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

    15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

    16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    So the question to all of us is simply, who do you say Jesus is? Your answer determines where you will spend eternity.

  91. #191
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:33 pm, Alan K. Henderson said:

    First he’s Jesus, now he’s Herod – now that’s what I call change.

  92. #192
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:34 pm, PatriotRider said:

    By the way Jeff. Holy only means to be set apart. For whom are you set apart?

  93. #193
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:37 pm, PatriotRider said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:33 pm, Alan K. Henderson said:
    First he’s Jesus, now he’s Herod – now that’s what I call change.

    I’m not sure where that was going. He’s not the anti-christ either. He does need us to pray for his salvation though.

  94. #194
    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:52 pm, havok said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 11:31 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Now, here’s the good part. You can be forgiven of any sin by accepting Jesus as your Savior.

    So sez your god from your book. When you have proof come back and try the sales job again. At this point no one really knows if there is or is not a god (or which god out of the many worshiped on this planet for that matter).

  95. #195
    On January 25th, 2009 at 12:22 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On January 24th, 2009 at 10:30 pm, Jeff2161 said:
    I’m not righteous enough to turn the other cheek…Are you saying God will hate me for defending my child? be careful how you answer…


    Turn the Other Cheek, Judge Not
    are some of the most misused quotes from the Bible-called Easy Christanity- a sin of weakness. Yes you may turn the other cheek to an evil man and witness your faith. You also stand guard and defend your home and family from the thief in the night and protect the widow and orphans. A Christian who does not provide for his own family is worse than the unbeliever.
    Do not Judge Least Ye Be Judge is wrongly used-We WILL be judged by the standards we use-so make sure you know your scripture. We are to have the Spirit of Discernment.
    Matthew 7:1, “Judge not that ye be not judged.
    Matthew 7:6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine”
    Matthew 7:15,16,20“Beware of false prophets…You will know them by their fruits”
    Matthew 18“And if you brother sins, go and reprove him.And if he refuses to listen…tell it to the church”
    Matthew 7:3-5 “And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?…You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

    Yes, first we repent of our sins and avoid them and then reprove our brothers. But I have some bad news for the unbelievers: you are not our brothers in Christ and you have nothing to say about it until you repent and believe.
    Proverbs 28:4 “Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law strive with them”

    Yes God says ” vengeance is mine”. Abraham hunted down and killed the Kings who kidnapped Lot and his family-not for vengeance but to rescue Lot- a point I imagine is lost on the unbeliever and weaker brothers.

    So the short of it is yes Jeff2161 you are to defend your family to the point of death if that is what needed-it is not your right so much as your God Given Responsibility. Be gentle when you can but hard when you must.

  96. #196
    On January 25th, 2009 at 12:34 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    havok said:
    So sez your god from your book. When you have proof come back and try the sales job again. At this point no one really knows if there is or is not a god (or which god out of the many worshiped on this planet for that matter).

    Matthew 12:31-32
    And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

    Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

    No, not all sins will be forgiven. I do hope someday you do find what we have havok–if you have gone that far is not for me to say–but you do mock. But that is nothing new–we have known you since the Fall. There is but one God and his Angels; all the others are but Satan and his Angles.

  97. #197
    On January 25th, 2009 at 12:36 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Satan and his Angles Angels.

  98. #198
    On January 25th, 2009 at 12:37 am, joao1960 said:

    As the sun sets on the second full day of the administration of Hope and Change, as the ink dries on our President Obama’s executive order to close GiTMO, and as a hundred thousand or so right to lifer high school kids and adults who marched in Washington on the anniversary of Roe V. Wade board their buses for the long ride home, I find myself … Read Moreasking liberal friends of mine, whom I love, one thing: If it is considered torture to pour a bucket of water over the head of one who wishes to kill you and I, what is it called when one evacuates the brain tissue from the skull of a developed fetus who obviously wishes to do no one harm at all? How does one reconcile the two?

    I don’t know. I’m just asking. Perhaps the answer lies in the Army Field Manual.

    Lan astaslem,
    John

  99. #199
    On January 25th, 2009 at 1:36 am, dadinseattle said:

    This executive order violates the individual right of private property.
    Our country was founded on the principle of private property and economic freedom.
    This is how our country grew into the greatest ever seen in the history of man.
    Governments only legitimate role is to protect individual rights.
    Obama thinks individual rights are irrelevant in favor of group or collective good.

    He is wrong!

    When your money is seized in the form of taxes to pay for something outside of the authority of the government they have expanded their power and taken yours.

    This is a violation of the Constitution,
    it is about time people started saying so!

  100. #200
    On January 25th, 2009 at 3:56 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    Take a cue from 007:

    Properly call the “Right To Choose” the “Right To Kill”. Down to brass tacks isn’t that what it’s all about?

    James Greenidge
    Queens New York

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