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1. #1
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:03 pm, et said:

   One of the founding principles of our country is “No Taxation Without Representation That would seen to imply a balanced budget. It most certainly does not mean steal from your grandchildren.

2. #3
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:07 pm, tpro1 said:

   Oh no, not again! Let’s each urge our Senators to leave the “Gang” ideas outon the street, where they at least make some sense. There is nothing for the GOP to gain, and everything to lose at this point by going along with a Gang proposal.

   Since the idea may not be able to be stopped, at least those outside the “Gang Afraid of Bad PR” should not agree to play along, and show them up as what they are: given over to fear that they can’t challenge a popular President, even if he and his compadres are clearly wrong. Fear this: if they vote against the best interests of the American people, by mortaging our grandchildren’s future, they will get less votes next time than last, and fewer dollars to support their campaigns for another term without principles guiding ther decisions.

3. #4
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 pm, tpro1 said:

   Oh, and let’s not leave our House colleagues swinging in the breeze after their couageous stand and wise vote on hr1. It would chop them off at the knees.

4. #5
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:21 pm, Devil's Advocate said:

   Hey Michelle:

   I just want to sincerely thank you for all the work you do.

   I haven’t even started a family yet and my future is being stolen from me; I cannot do anything to stop it.

   By the time I’m 40, I’m going to be paying back this crap. It is theft, nothing more.

5. #6
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:31 pm, Kevin K. said:

   Good luck! Both my senators, despite my votes, are of the wrong party. I’ve already sent nice, faxed letters asking them to vote “no”, but am not holding my breath.

6. #7
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:34 pm, zyzzyg said:

   After eight years of largesse we are finally getting some ‘religion’. Where were these guys before? I like the line “This is about spending money we don’t have for things we don’t need”. Like it or not, Pres Bush repeatedly violated conservative principles.

   Hopefully if this bill is necessary the stupid stuff will be weeded out in the Senate and more weeding will be done in conference.

   Going on record I would like to see a Resolutition Trust Corporation (RTC) type deal to get rid of the bad paper. Something that Pres Bush’s Sec of Tres said would happen, but didn’t. Pres Bush’s Sec of Tres violated our trust, and by extension, so did Pres Bush. And, I hope that Pres Obama’s policy and appointees will learn from past failed promises and mistakes.

7. #8
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm, bjc said:

   *Don’t do it Corker, don’t do it; Like it is with all gangs, if they find your fingerprints on this generational theft, you will be found guilty of deserting your constituents; You already poked the pooch on Geithner and the original bailout disaster, so enough is enough.

8. #9
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:43 pm, simcoe said:

   “Everybody wants their share,” he said.
   Future generations will be denied wealth, Coburn said, if the bill passes.
   “This bill is a generational theft bill,” he said.

   I don’t disagree, however I would state it even stronger:

   If in fact it happens as he said that, “Future generations will be denied wealth”, then that leaves the government with the wealth and this is a giant step toward Socialism and must be stopped.

9. #10
   On January 29th, 2009 at 10:45 pm, irving said:

   Forgive me for playing devil’s advocate for a moment, but a different interpretation is possible. To whit:

   Inhofe names his price:

   He repeated his previous comments of disappointment that spending on infrastructure projects such as highways is not a bigger percentage of the bill.

   Nelson tries to arrange payment (or goes through the motions of trying):

   Nelson told FOX News he has invited a group to his office Friday to see if more can be done to create jobs in the stimulus bill — such as a major boost in funding for infrastructure projects

   It is unlikely the price will be paid, however. The Dems are too sure of winning anyway. Weirdly, that arrogance will prevent an increase in the cost of the bill for all those infrastructure projects Inhofe wants.

10. #11
    On January 29th, 2009 at 10:57 pm, love2rumba said:

    Operation Send-a-Pair should include a less-than-veiled threat to Republicans that if they have ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GANG OF 14 they will find stiff opposition in their primaries upcoming in 2010 and 2012, and their financial support tenuous at best if they run away from the principles that made the Republican Party strong.

    No more squishy Republicans….

    and as Alice Cooper sang many times during my elementary school years:

    NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!!!

11. #12
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:03 pm, localmalcontent said:

    You’re Doin’ Fine, Oklahoma!

    Proud of you men. Thank you.

12. #13
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:03 pm, ajmontana said:

    Sen.McCain washed up on the beach with the decision he made to go along with the first crap sandwich. It may not have been the deal breaker but it was an error he will never live down. The Senate Republicans can or should learn from the first bailout and McCains blunder.
    This is bad news despite the flat out lies Nancy Pelosi spewed on National TV about the American Public overwhelmingly behind this (spending) bill. We are not! and she knows it. LIAR! We can not let her get away with this and she needs to be called out on it. LOUDLY.

    Tpro1 in post #2 said this “without principals guiding their decisions.” That’s a line to live by.

    Senate Republicans, Do not pass this atrocious “Spending Bill” you will be lauded by the Citizens of this great Country, if you join the Dems it will sink you and end up washed up right next to Sen. McCain on the beach. Don’t blow this one, stand firm.

13. #14
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:09 pm, Send_Me said:

    Here’s one question I wish one elected official would ask: With the Enumerated Powers (e.g Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution) in mind, how are the following items (among many others) from this bill lawful: 1) the “Digital-to-Analog Converter Box Program”, costing American taxpayers $650,000,000; 2) the “National Foundation on the Arts and the Humanities National Endowment for the Arts and Administration”, costing American taxpayers $50,000,000; 3) “Education for the Disadvantaged”, costing American taxpayers $13,000,000,000; 4) “expenses to demonstrate carbon capture and sequestration technologies”, costing American taxpayers $2,400,000,000; 5) “for research, labor exchange and job training projects that prepare workers for careers in the energy efficiency and renewable energy industries”, costing American taxpayers $500,000,000; 6) “Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy”, costing American taxpayers $18,500,000,000, including $1,000,000,000 for “expenses necessary for the manufacturing of advanced batteries”; 7) “Prevention and Wellness Fund”, costing American taxpayers $3,000,000,000…?

14. #15
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm, herself said:

    Of course “send a pair” can’t possibly apply to Californians and our two “Senators.”

15. #17
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:18 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 29th, 2009 at 10:57 pm, love2rumba said:

    Operation Send-a-Pair should include a less-than-veiled threat to Republicans that if they have ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GANG OF 14 they will find stiff opposition in their primaries upcoming in 2010 and 2012, and their financial support tenuous at best if they run away from the principles that made the Republican Party strong.

    No more squishy Republicans….

    One Gang of Idiots was enough. If one is spawned to get this Socialist Entrenchment bill passed, the GOP had better get rid of any of the Gang or they can forget about having much of a base left.

16. #18
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb
    Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine,
    Sen Mount Olympus Snow, R-Maine
    Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn
    Juan Hernandez McCain

    Collins and Snow probably do each have a pair.
    If the other three do have any they should be removed when we tag their ears.

    RINO season never ends. Weaklings and cowards serve no useful purpose. Cut em, tag em and send them to pasture.

17. #19
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:21 pm, ajmontana said:

    herself said:
    Of course “send a pair” can’t possibly apply to Californians and our two “Senators.”

    Yup, those two are a waste of air.

18. #20
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:26 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm, herself said:

    Of course “send a pair” can’t possibly apply to Californians and our two “Senators.”

    Of course not. They already have a bigger pair than some in our own party.

19. #21
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:33 pm, b-cat said:

    I think it might be time to take notice of how many of the original Gang of 14 are still winning elections or still in the Senate. Right, McCain, Warner?

20. #22
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:50 pm, txvet2 said:

    On January 29th, 2009 at 10:34 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Hopefully if this bill is necessary the stupid stuff will be weeded out in the Senate and more weeding will be done in conference.

    That’s what’s known as the triumph of hope over experience, which is similar to a characteristic of liberalism – the triumph of fantasy over reality.

21. #23
    On January 29th, 2009 at 11:53 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    Marilyn,

    On behalf of the State of Oklahoma, you’re welcome. Senators Inhofe and Coburn are the real deal.

    ECS

22. #26
    On January 30th, 2009 at 12:42 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Spend five minutes and watch this.

23. #27
    On January 30th, 2009 at 6:26 am, Valiant said:

    And people wonder why conservatives have high standards for their elected officials.

    Once they get into the cesspool of Washington, you will be lucky to get half of what you want in terms of limiting government.

24. #28
    On January 30th, 2009 at 6:37 am, zorro said:

    Not another Gang of 14!

    This is exactly why I am no longer a republican. How stupid can they be? They do not even recognize how the democraps are separating them from their base. Just plain stupid.

25. #30
    On January 30th, 2009 at 6:52 am, conservativesRus said:

    Rather amazing and amusing. 1) a bunch of people don’t seem to comprehend why the R’s have been losing elections and/or why McCain isn’t president. Squishy doesn’t instill confidence or gather votes.
    2)Not sure yet exactly how much stock to put into a “gang of 14 invite”. This seems to be coming from the liberal medial and the D side of the aisle. They (the D’s) are looking for ANY support to cover for the position they know will not be good for the USA.

26. #31
    On January 30th, 2009 at 7:45 am, tre said:

    They make me proud to be an Okie. But, I have the terrible feeling that we may need another big loss to bring the Republican Party around.

27. #33
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:00 am, labwrs said:

    I will be on the phone to Corker’s office today but honestly, I think he is a lost cause. He is simply not a Conservative. It would be just like him to sign up to something like this! ARRGHHHHHHH

28. #34
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:26 am, wildcat84 said:

    This is why I tried to not get too euphoric about what the house did.

    Too many senators, unfortunately, even amongst the GOP are more in love with themselves and their power than with doing the right thing.

    I figured a “Gang Of” was inevitable. And we’ll see McCain and Grahamnesty amongst it of course.

29. #35
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:28 am, wildcat84 said:

    They make me proud to be an Okie. But, I have the terrible feeling that we may need another big loss to bring the Republican Party around.

    What we need is a win big enough to make the 5-6 “Rinos” who always join “Gangs of” irrelevant.

    Honestly, I think that clique LIKES things the way they are because of their own personal status.

30. #36
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:34 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

    “Any so-called stimulus program is a ruse. The government can increase its spending only by reducing private spending equivalently. Whether government finances its added spending by increasing taxes, by borrowing, or by inflating the currency, the added spending will be offset by reduced private spending. Furthermore, private spending is generally more efficient than the government spending that would replace it because people act more carefully when they spend their own money than when they spend other people’s money.”

    – Professor Richard Wagner, George Mason University

    There is no Santa Claus

    – Dr Walter E. Williams, John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics, George Mason University

31. #37
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:37 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    New York Times Laugh of the Day

    When Mrs. Pelosi was asked whether the vote — 244 to 188 without a single Republican’s approval — represented a failure on her part to advance President Obama’s desire for a broad bipartisan bill, she practically snapped:

    “I didn’t come here to be partisan. I didn’t come here to be bipartisan. I came here, as did my colleagues, to be nonpartisan, to work for the American people, to do what is in their interest.

    The president’s agenda is reflected in this legislation. It’s — I mentioned, some of the priorities that were there about creating jobs, cutting taxes, helping states through this difficult economic time, and to do so in a fiscally sound way.

32. #39
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:47 am, dan708 said:

    I just saw a headline on Yahoo – ExxonMobil announces a record quarterly profit of $45.2 BILLION. Don’t be surprised if a Windfall Profit tax gets added to the GenTheft Act.

33. #40
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:51 am, jangar said:

    I can’t say anything, living in Democratville, Arkansas. Thank you Oklahoma, my fearless neighbor!

34. #41
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:51 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    South Carolina had the opportunity to dump Lindsay Grahamnesty and didn’t.

    Watch for the RNC Cahirman vote. Mike Duncan remaining as Chair tells me that they are Whigs.

35. #42
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:52 am, Kevin K. said:

    Send_Me said: (#13)

    Here’s one question I wish one elected official would ask: With the Enumerated Powers (e.g Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution) in mind, how are the following items (among many others) from this bill lawful: [etc]

    *sigh* I agree.

    There is a small movement to require that every bill list which of the enumerated powers the bill falls under, but as you can imagine, there is no enthusiasm for it. Can’t buy votes with other people’s money if you have to keep saying that it’s un-Constitutional.

36. #43
    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:54 am, Kevin K. said:

    PKAmmoTroop (#30)

    - Dr Walter E. Williams, John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics, George Mason University

    And Nobel laureate in Economics, if memory serves.

37. #44
    On January 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:54 am, Kevin K. said:

    PKAmmoTroop (#30)

    – Dr Walter E. Williams, John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics, George Mason University

    And Nobel laureate in Economics, if memory serves.

    Not sure about that, but a good friend of mine says the good doctor still plays a mean game of one-on-one. This friend also hung out with another supremely intelligent person – Thomas Sewell.

38. #45
    On January 30th, 2009 at 9:21 am, hunter said:

    Sorry America, we are working on it. Hagel was smart enough to see that he was not going to be re-elected so he chose to not run and hope for a position in either administration which made it easy to replace him.

    We now are working to get Ben Nelson out of office in his next election. I have written him several times to ask that he either step down or just stop voting due to the fact that he does not represent the views of the people of Nebraska.

    The ONLY good thing about him pulling this stunt again is it is going to make it easier to un-seat him!

39. #47
    On January 30th, 2009 at 9:43 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    We need a gang task force to eliminate these gangs (in the Senate) that are destroying our country!

40. #48
    On January 30th, 2009 at 9:45 am, Misscheryl said:

    And for the sake of the idiots out there who are fans of his, Obama puts forth this massive pork filled package of highway robbery of all hard working tax payers and then directs his “righteous” outrage to those on Wall Street for their huge bonuses…give me a freaking break! You’d have to have an I.Q. of 75 to believe the “image” this guy puts out. He’s counterfeit to the core!

41. #49
    On January 30th, 2009 at 10:24 am, warden said:

    OKIE 2012

42. #50
    On January 30th, 2009 at 11:31 am, thejim said:

    Bob Corker is a joke.I don’t expect much from this RINO, but I’m reasonably certain that the voters of the conservative state of Tennessee won’t return him to the Senate. I e-mailed him voicing the Conservative displeasure with his posturing and votes on Geithner’s confirmation and “McCaining-Grahmnitizing” on every issue since he was elected. And just in case you’re also wondering; No! Tennessee has no “Recall” provision.

43. #51
    On January 30th, 2009 at 11:44 am, Laree said:

    So The Republicans will finally stand on Principle now that it is too late and they don’t have the numbers to block the bill…I am sure the same people that lobbied them that got us here to this point will reward them.

44. #55
    On January 30th, 2009 at 5:30 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 30th, 2009 at 8:51 am, Virginia Patriot said:

    South Carolina had the opportunity to dump Lindsay Grahamnesty and didn’t.

    Watch for the RNC Cahirman vote. Mike Duncan remaining as Chair tells me that they are Whigs.

    Duncan’s out, so there is hope.

    It’s now down to Steele and Dawson, and I’m torn between the two.

    Dawson seems more conservative, but Steele would be a good counter to Oblahblah and his minions screaming racism for the next 4 years.

45. #56
    On January 30th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On January 30th, 2009 at 9:45 am, Misscheryl said:

    And for the sake of the idiots out there who are fans of his, Obama puts forth this massive pork filled package of highway robbery of all hard working tax payers and then directs his “righteous” outrage to those on Wall Street for their huge bonuses…give me a freaking break! You’d have to have an I.Q. of 75 to believe the “image” this guy puts out. He’s counterfeit to the core!

    B. Huseein is such a blithering idiot.

    Complaining about the Merril Lynch redecoration saying they used TARP funds when the work was done last year.

    Fool.

    It doesn’t seem to matter anyway how TARP funds are spent since Congress couldn’t manage to put any oversight into the bill.

    …and then they are all taxpayer funds anyway, and we are talking less than 2mil. How much does it cost to redecorate the WH as planned?
    How much did the Immaculation cost?

    How much crap has been stuffed into GTA?

    One wonders when the sucker moderates who thought it a good idea to vote for Mr. 57 States will wake up and realize what they have done to the country.