What will the Bend Over Republicans do with tax cheat Tom Daschle?

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 31, 2009 05:06 AM

Before we get to tax cheat Tom Daschle, let’s recall the names of the Bend Over Republicans who pooh-poohed Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s tax troubles and accused critics of “thinking in small political terms.”

On the Senate Finance Committee, B.O. Republicans Mike Crapo, Orrin Hatch, John Cornyn, Olympia Snowe and John Ensign all determined that Geithner’s “tax goofs” worth $43,000 did not disqualify him from the job of overseeing everyone else’s taxes.

On Jan. 26, when the full Senate voted, 10 B.O. Republicans cast their votes in the affirmative for the serial tax evader and bailout failout architect. Those 10 B.O. Republicans were:

Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Ensign (R-NV)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Voinovich (R-OH)

What, pray tell, will these apologists for tax evasion do with Tom Daschle? Like Geithner, Daschle pleads ignorance – and only paid back taxes and interest during the vetting process for his Health and Human Services Secretary nomination:

ABC News has learned that the nomination of former Senator Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., to be President Obama’s secretary of health and human services has hit a traffic snarl on its way through the Senate Finance Committee.

The controversy deals with a car and driver lent to Daschle by a wealthy Democratic friend — a chauffeur service the former senator used for years without declaring it on his taxes.

It remains an open question as to whether this is a “speed bump,” as a Democratic Senate ally of Daschle put it, or something more damaging.

After being defeated in his 2004 re-election campaign to the Senate, Daschle in 2005 became a consultant and chairman of the executive advisory board at InterMedia Advisors.

Based in New York City, InterMedia Advisors is a private equity firm founded in part by longtime Daschle friend and Democratic fundraiser Leo Hindery, the former president of the YES network (the New York Yankees’ and New Jersey Devils’ cable television channel).

That same year he began his professional relationship with InterMedia, Daschle began using the services of Hindery’s car and driver.

The Cadillac and driver were never part of Daschle’s official compensation package at InterMedia, but Mr. Daschle — who as Senate majority leader enjoyed the use of a car and driver at taxpayer expense — didn’t declare their services on his income taxes, as tax laws require.

During the vetting process to become HHS secretary, Daschle corrected the tax violation, voluntarily paying $101,943 in back taxes plus interest, working with his accountant to amend his tax returns for 2005 through 2007.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Late Friday night, ABC News obtained the Senate Finance Committee report on Daschle, which revealed even more unreported income:

Mr. Daschle also didn’t report $83,333 in consulting income in 2007.

The Senate Finance Committee Report also notes that during the vetting process, President Obama’s Transition Team “identified certain donations that did not qualify as charitable deductions because they were not paid to qualifying organizations. Daschle adjusted his contribution deductions on his amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 to remove these amounts and add additional contributions.” This adjustment meant a reduction in the amount he contributed to charitable foundations of $14,963 from 2005 through 2007.

With the unreported income from the use of a car service in the amounts of $73,031 in 2005, $89,129 in 2006 and $93,096 in 2007; the unreported consulting income of $83,333 in 2007; and the adjusted reductions in charitable contributions, Daschle adds a total of $353,552 in additional income and reduced donations, meaning an additional tax payment of $128,203, in addition to $11,964 in interest.

And then there’s the issue of his travel with an education-loan provider — reported by the WSJ last week:

In part, some Finance Committee staff members are looking at Mr. Daschle’s interaction with EduCap Inc., a nonprofit lender that has faced Internal Revenue Service scrutiny for its lending practices and faces a separate Finance Committee probe into what some on the committee believe to be abuses of its status as a charity. Attempts to get comment from EduCap were unsuccessful.

According to Finance Committee aides, EduCap flew Mr. Daschle on its corporate jet several times, including flights to vacation spots. News of such flights first emerged in 2007, after Mr. Daschle had left the Senate.

The Finance Committee staff is trying to determine whether those flights had a legitimate charitable purpose and whether Mr. Daschle’s presence on board could be justified as a charity project. In that sense, the inquiry may have more to do with EduCap’s tax status than Mr. Daschle’s.

Daschle aides have acknowledged he was on some flights but said there was nothing improper about the trips.

Finance Committee aides are also looking at past tax returns, whose complexity has slowed the vetting process. Mr. Daschle and his wife have numerous business interests. Other people familiar with the nomination say one avenue of inquiry is how he characterized charitable deductions on his income tax returns.

But Daschle’s “naive” mistakes make him more qualified to hold a Cabinet position, remember? That’s the reasoning embraced by the Lindsay Graham wing of the Republican Party. Now, the B.O. Republicans will have to 1) twist themselves in pretzels to find a logical explanation for opposing this new tax cheat with liabilities three times Geithner’s; or 2) assume the downward dog yoga position, approve yet another corrupted Obama nominee, and meekly dub him indispensible and “uniquely qualified” to raise the taxes of other Americans after failing to pay his own.

Screw up, move up. It’s the bipartisan Washington way.

***

John Hinderaker finds a silver lining: “Thee good thing about electing a Democrat as President is that, as he nominates fellow Democrats to senior positions in the Executive Branch, millions of dollars in unpaid tax liabilities come to light and are belatedly paid to the IRS, with interest. It is, perhaps, the most tangible advantage of electing Democrats to office.”

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  1. #608780
    On February 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm, Joy said:

    The 2004 election had the largest turn-out since 1968. In other words, the fewest stay-homes in 36 years. But the 2008 election brought out around 9,000,000 more voters…

    What is it that the RINO tending right isn’t comprehending? YOUR guy ran… and he lost miserably! Look at the numbers I posted. I would think those would be a wake-up to any left-leaning Republicans.

    I remember something someone said once. If he was talking to someone (while holding up a pen) and that person refused to admit it was a pen, then there was no use talking to them, because they weren’t mentally there.

    That’s where Mr. Grant and those who agree with him are at. You can’t commprehend the FACT, that in this election, McCain could not, and would not have won even if all the fantasy world notions were true such as 100% Republican turn-out, all the “Other” votes going for McCain, etc. etc.

    You want to live in fantasy world… have at it.

  2. #608781
    On February 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm, Joy said:

    Socky – great point!

  3. #608783
    On February 1st, 2009 at 4:41 pm, Joy said:

    BTW, Conservative in Europe, a Troll wouldn’t be the person who agrees and defends the Hostess with the Mostess, MM, but the ones who stab at her continually and blame her for helping McCain lose, like you and Mr. Grant.

  4. #608792
    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:20 pm, ks55 said:

    I think his inability to pay his taxes on time is enough to disqualify him from higher office. I think this conclusion is the same one the voters of South Dakota came to several years ago.

  5. #608794
    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:31 pm, JHSII said:

    Joy – if you’re not careful, Bill will look you up on the internet and deliberately take things out of context, twist things, spin things, and project his own fantasies on you!!

    For the record: Conservatives didn’t lose the election for McCain. McCain lost the election for McCain because he spent most of his career saying “screw you” to Conservatives and then at the last minute selected Governor Palin in hopes that would make everything all right.

    Some people also get something else wrong.
    I don’t owe any politician my vote.
    It’s up to the politician to earn my vote.

    McCain gave us a choice: Vote for Obama – or vote against Obama with McCain being the lucky recipient.
    As a Conservative, McCain gave me no reason to vote for McCain. He did give me a reason to vote against Obama. That he was the recipient of that in no way made it a vote for McCain.

    The reason that the Republican party has lost the last two elections is pretty simple. They have offered the choice of real democrat or democrat-lite. It was like the choice of Coca-Cola or New Coke. Any guesses as to how that turned out??

    Thanks to people like McCain it will take a lot of effort for the Republican Party to get back those Conservatives it drove away in an effort to be democrat-lite. The best thing that they have going for them so far is that there aren’t really any other viable places to go.
    The real question right now is: Can the Republican Party do better than that – especially considering that Conservatives are their base?

  6. #608797
    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:44 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 4:11 pm, Socky said:

    What Bill is leaving out of his analysis is that Move-On and Kos didn’t takeover the Democrat party by compromising with moderate Democrats.

    Well firstly They weren’t in the analysis because that’s not the role model I think we ought to be following. (No one is going to pay you to love your country like George Soros can pay you to hate it.) Secondly and more importantly they weren’t in the analysis because the analysis is just flat out wrong. With the exception of the whole Ned Lamont/Joe Leiberman side show they have given their support to “moderate democrats”. Remember the “General Betray-us” ad that those scumbags ran? How many of the Democrat presidential candidates voted for the resolution condemning it? Zero. Move on also helped out Clinton and Dodd before hey decided to coalesce behind Obama. Didn’t support “moderate” democrats? Jim Webb against George Alan? I suppose it depends on what you mean by “moderate”.

    “And when the Republicans blew it, (by following the leads of RINO’s and moderates)”

    What do you think the event was where the republicans “blew it” and what specific advice did they follow from what “RINO’s” in order to achieve that effect. For instance, were the republicans responsible for Freddy and Fannie as they have been made out to be? How about “losing” “Bush’s war” in Iraq that had broad democratic support at the outset? I agree that they blew it, but I am curious to see how you are going to blame your usual suspects.

  7. #608801
    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:48 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:31 pm, JHSII said:

    Joy – if you’re not careful, Bill will look you up on the internet…

    The folks from dateline’s “to catch a predator” want to interview you about your child gymnast fetish Johnny.

  8. #608804
    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:52 pm, JHSII said:

    More of Bill’s fantasies in post #177

  9. #608807
    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:59 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm, Joy ranted:

    “What is it that the RINO tending right isn’t comprehending? “

    In your case it would be the whole “part of the solution or part of the problem” paradigm. Funny how people who advocate not voting Republican are so free tossing out the word “RINO”.

    I remember something someone said once. If he was talking to someone (while holding up a pen) and that person refused to admit it was a pen, then there was no use talking to them, because they weren’t mentally there.

    That’s a great story… Did you write your senators about the stimulus bill yet? No? Prove my point much?

    McCain could not, and would not have won even if all the fantasy world notions were true such as 100% Republican turn-out, all the “Other” votes going for McCain, etc. etc.

    Sure he could have, simply by getting more votes. What you seem to be saying is that NO republican could have won so we might as well just accept our new leftist overlords. You wonder why people call you a liberal troll?

  10. #608812
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pm, Socky said:

    Thanks Joy. Maybe this will help Bill G understand, but I doubt it.

    For the middle four years of Bush’s presidency, the GOP held the Congress and the White House. Yes, taxes were cut, but they were still higher than they were when Bush 41 took office. And the GOP went crazy with the spending. A couple great SCOTUS justices were appointed, but they had three dozen vacancies in the Circuit Court, and instead of filling them with constructionists, they decided to play games with their Gang of 14.

    Worst of all, no one in the Bush Admin or the Republican leadership articulated a case for government restraint. Instead, they seem to tacitly agree that big government was good, as long as they were in charge of it.

    And if that’s what we get when Republicans are in charge, then what’s the point?

    Now, can anyone articulate this to the RNC? And would they even care if someone did?

  11. #608813
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:12 pm, Bill Grant said:

    OOPs, forgot this:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 4:13 pm, Joy said:

    No guys, according to Mr. Grant I’m TOO conservative,

    No, never wrote that. Spoiled brat was what came to mind.

    All these quotes and positions of mine that you make up or mis-characterize… You remind me of this really, really great story I heard about talking to someone while holding up a pen….

  12. #608819
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pm, Joy said:

    Did you write your senators about the stimulus bill yet? No?

    Yes, and called many who aren’t mine to encourage them not to vote for the trash, just like I do everytime they have bills like this.

    Prove my point much?

    Nope, as usual you’re dead wrong.

  13. #608820
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pm, Socky said:

    “And the GOP went crazy with the spending.”

    Indeed. Horribly. Nothing like the “crazy” that’s coming though. Did you know the fed needs to add more shifts to print money?

    “A couple great SCOTUS justices were appointed, but they had three dozen vacancies in the Circuit Court, “

    It was probably a good idea to hold on to that filibuster now that it is our only hope of stopping things like this stimulus.

    “Worst of all, no one in the Bush Admin or the Republican leadership articulated a case for government restraint.”

    Well that’s not entirely true, Snidely Whiplash of Arizona was a consistent defecate hawk. However they wasted a whole lot of money and did other stupid things to blow it. Now what? Empower the uber blower blow-its to teach the blow-its a lesson? Or keep at the blow-its so they don’t blow it? Or door number 3; stomp your feet while the country goes down the crapper.

    “And if that’s what we get when Republicans are in charge, then what’s the point?”

    Better just bend over and accept it, eh?

    “Now, can anyone articulate this to the RNC? “

    Why? Your problem is with the politicians themselves and the voters who put them in. See the whole republican from RI vs Republican from Utah diatribe above.)

    “Now, can anyone articulate this to the RNC? politicians? “

    Is your wrist broken and are you mute? Start with the stimulus bill. Maybe we can get a few of them not to blow it.

  14. #608822
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pm, Joy said:

    Socky – As you can see, nothing can get through to Bill Grant. Anyone still living under the delusion that McCain could have won this past election should be in a padded cell in a mental ward on 24 hour watch.

  15. #608825
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pm, Socky said:

    It was probably a good idea to hold on to that filibuster now that it is our only hope of stopping things like this stimulus.

    The proposal was only to remove the filibuster for judicial nominations… which is used exclusively by Democrats to block constructionist judges. The filibuster would have remained for legislation.

    Better just bend over and accept it, eh?

    If you’re going to get raped anyway, does it really matter if your assailant is wearing blue socks or red socks?

    Well that’s not entirely true, Snidely Whiplash of Arizona was a consistent defecate hawk.

    But he was also a great supporter of government regulation, who attacked businessmen and closed off ANWR to exploration on a completely arbitrary basis just to appease the greens.

  16. #608826
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 5:31 pm, JHSII said:

    For the record: Conservatives didn’t lose the election for McCain. McCain lost the election for McCain because he spent most of his career saying “screw you” to Conservatives and then at the last minute selected Governor Palin in hopes that would make everything all right.

    Good point. I don’t believe there were many who were overly jazzed with McCain…until Palin was selected.

    McCain recognized he needed someone to shore up that side, which means he realized he himself wasn’t conservative enough to do so.

    Yet even after he recognized it and selected Palin, it is now the conservatives fault that he ran such a sorry campaign and lost the election.

    As it was, even with Palin on the ticket, I suspect there were still many who were so fed up with McCain, his media ass-kissing and his slamming the GOP they still refused to vote for the ticket.

    McCain would have been spanked badly if it would have been say a McCain/Graham ticket or a McCain/Martinez or McCain/Crist ticket.

    Too bad some people cannot see that.

  17. #608827
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:51 pm, Socky said:

    Socky – As you can see, nothing can get through to Bill Grant.

    He makes a decent Socratic foil, though.

    I don’t think Bill G realizes that restraining government means more than being a “defecate” (sic) “hawk.” Nor does the RNC, for that matter.

  18. #608828
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:53 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pm, Joy said:

    Nope, as usual you’re dead wrong.

    Well, your charm and persuasion are on the case so victory is assured. I can see it now:

    Dear RINO,
    AAAAAAAAAAAARRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!
    Now Shut Up!

    -Joy

    Oh well.

    “Anyone still living under the delusion that McCain could have won this past election should be in a padded cell in a mental ward on 24 hour watch.”

    He came within a couple of percentage points of winning. The idea that it was imposable is itself loony. It’s leftist troll rationalization for preemptive surrender. :-D

  19. #608829
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:53 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pm, Socky said:

    Now, can anyone articulate this to the RNC? And would they even care if someone did?

    It may have been with the selection fo Steele as chairman, although I think he may be less conservative than Dawson is.

    Still, willing to give him a chance to see what he will do.

  20. #608830
    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:59 pm, Socky said:

    My concern about Steele is that while he is fairly good at articulating ideology, such as it is in the modern GOP, what the GOP needs is someone who understands the nuts and bolts of party building. The GOP at the state level is a shambles. Outreach is nonexistent, candidate recruiting is a shambles, fundraising and communications systems are a decade or more out of date. Those systemic problems are, IMHO, even more important than a guy who can sell whatever it is Republicans claim to believe these days.

  21. #608834
    On February 1st, 2009 at 7:11 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:51 pm, Socky said:

    I don’t think Bill G realizes that restraining government means more than being a “defecate” (sic) “hawk.”

    LOL, incorrect yet correct at the same time. Less money means Smaller government and that is the objective IMHO.

    Nor does the RNC, for that matter.

    OK: It’s all McCain’s fault, that new guy Steele will fix everything, The cavalry is coming over the hill any second to save us and someone else is going to come along and do all the work so we wont have to counteract the left’s effort with effort of our own…No point in reading “Rules for Radicals” either… Sarah will save us from everything, including ourselves. If not: “WOLVERINES!”

    Happy? :-D

  22. #608837
    On February 1st, 2009 at 7:13 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 6:59 pm, Socky said:

    My concern about Steele is that while he is fairly good at articulating ideology, such as it is in the modern GOP, what the GOP needs is someone who understands the nuts and bolts of party building. The GOP at the state level is a shambles. Outreach is nonexistent, candidate recruiting is a shambles, fundraising and communications systems are a decade or more out of date. Those systemic problems are, IMHO, even more important than a guy who can sell whatever it is Republicans claim to believe these days.

    I know what you are saying Socky…it comes from years of neglect.

    But someone has to sell the party in order to get people to volunteer, donate or run in elections.

    With the way the RNC has acted over the past several years, it’s no wonder it is in the shape it is in.

    Party building is nice, but it takes someone to sell why it needs to be built, money and effort, and without a good sale, the money and effort will always come up short.

  23. #608842
    On February 1st, 2009 at 7:41 pm, Socky said:

    RV – I’m not disagreeing with you, but I think there needs to be some bottom-up to go with the top down.

    Steele should sit down with his lieutenants and figure out what the party believes. IMHO – these should be articulated in terms of solutions, not policy positions.

    But I would also take the state level leaders and put them into, like, boot camp, to teach them how to speak, how to organize, how to reach out. These leaders would conduct state level boot camps where local leaders would receive the same training.

    Then, these state and local leaders would hold regular public meetings inviting non-Republicans to hear the party’s solutions. They would also speak at college groups and challenge Democrats to debates.

    In concert, the party should revamp its web and media organizations. Just for starters.

  24. #608849
    On February 1st, 2009 at 8:16 pm, Marie said:

    Watching superbowl halftime show. Disappointed. Lots of warbling and no tune. This guy is the leading singer in the USA??

  25. #608857
    On February 1st, 2009 at 8:34 pm, NC BLUE said:

    Obama’s favorite talk radio host nailed it long before the election. The media loved the maverick as long as he was crapping on conservatives. They wanted him to be the nominee. Then they turned on him just as predicted. He was dead in the water until he picked Sarah Palin. This put a turd in the Dems post convention bounce and erased it and McCain/Palin were up by 4-5points. Then he stopped his campaign and rode into D.C. to champion a giant crap sandwich. His handlers bushwacked Palin and put her on a bunch of Liberal networks to interview. My friends–McCain is a loser. I heard he was going to vote against the current stimulus package and I said–SO WHAT!!! RINO’s are just people who ran as an R to get elected then voted with the crapweasels across the aisle. A moderate is one who needs a lot of medication for the sores they get from riding that fence. Moderates and RINO’s are the medias best friends–that should tell you what they are made of.

  26. #608858
    On February 1st, 2009 at 8:39 pm, Joy said:

    He came within a couple of percentage points of winning. The idea that it was imposable is itself loony.

    2004 was the highest voter turn-out of any election since 1968 until this one. And Bush only got 3 and half million votes more than Kerry.

    b. hussein got 10,000,000 more votes than McCain. Only 4,100,000 registered Rs ’stayed home.’ Less than a million people voted for Barr and Baldwin combined. You think there could have been a 100% turn-out for Republicans? And you’re calling me loony? And that wouldn’t even get him 1/2 way to the magic number.

    You say McCain could have gotten that many Independents to swing for him? How? Present facts please instead of your usual factless bluster. And present FACTS on how MM somehow caused all those Independents to go to b. Hussein? Considering most of her readership is conservative/republican, explain how she got to all those millions of Independents.

    And do explain why it isn’t McCain’s fault he lost? Just how much more could he have pandered to Independents and Dems? Do tell how McCain would have gotten all those Independents if MM had just sung McCain’s praises?

    And ps Bill, you need remedial math courses… no, actually, you need a new brain. Please return your current one to Wal-Mart as they have a great return policy.

  27. #608867
    On February 1st, 2009 at 9:24 pm, joannmandolin said:

    Tax Cheating- it’s the new black.

  28. #608885
    On February 1st, 2009 at 10:59 pm, countrybumpkin said:

    Does anyone read Bill Grant’s posts?
    Why?

  29. #608890
    On February 1st, 2009 at 11:27 pm, Joy said:

    On February 1st, 2009 at 10:59 pm, countrybumpkin said:
    Does anyone read Bill Grant’s posts?
    Why?

    Ummmmmm…. not usually, but I was bored today. And I am sick of a certain group of people ragging on MM and conservatives, blaming us for McShame’s loss. I thought even Bill Grant could at least add and subtract and use elementary logic, but I was wrong.

  30. #608892
    On February 1st, 2009 at 11:33 pm, Bill Grant said:

    LOL, even half in the bag:

    “2004 was the highest voter turn-out of any election since 1968 until this one.

    A little over 55%. So James Felix’s excellent point that your math is flawed because it assumes there were no disgusted stay-homes when Bush ran stands. Your math only works if both elections were 100% turnout. You don’t have a variable for the other 45%.

    b. hussein got 10,000,000 more votes than McCain.

    9.4 million in the popular vote.

    “Only 4,100,000 registered Rs ’stayed home.”

    No, 4,100,000 MORE registered republicans stayed at home than the total from 2004. The total number of stay at home republicans wasn’t given. (LOL, if a train leaves Chicago on it’s way to Washington how many variables will it take before Joy runs out of fingers.)

    “Less than a million people voted for Barr and Baldwin combined.”

    So lets figure 5 million total for the sake of argument and to make the math compatible with Stolichnaya. Even by your flawed paradigm that brings McCain within 2 million if he picked off from Obama. So there weren’t 2 million independents out there? Something else you have ignored is that the race doesn’t go to whoever simply won the most votes in the popular vote. It goes to the Electoral College. Remember Bush/Gore 2000? So once again, your paradigm is skewed as well as irrelevant to the point that I was making. Indeed you have been told this 3 times now.

    Here:
    1) It was not “impossible” for John McCain to have won, he came close. When you write: “FACT: McCain wouldn’t have won” you are full of it.
    2) Even if he did fall short, you and yours didn’t know he would during the campaign, which means that your constant rooting for him to fail did have the stated effect of helping Obama. (Part of the solution or part of the problem.) Which was part of the stated “strategy” of going through carter to get to Reagan… That little bit of genius was thought up by a democrat PR firm to dupe idiots like yourself into helping Obama win because, obviously, as you were told repeatedly: YOU DO NOT GAIN INFLUENCE BY LOSING ELECTIONS. The present situation is pretty much conformation of that. TOLD YOU SO.
    3) As I stated before (and as you refused to see like your lovely pen story which had the happy ending of you shutting your ninny-hole) “This wasn’t about McCain. This was about the fact that the left can count on a cohesive organized and well funded apparatus that is geared to acquiring, maintaining and expanding it’s political power and the “right” it would appear can count on a mentally masturbatory cadre of blow-hards who do absolutely nothing other than point the finger at each other and shout “RINO”.”

    Remember that? No? Posted it a few times now Joy. Way to prove me wrong.

    “Conservatives” have either chosen or have had foisted on them to have to battle serious attempts at permanently diluting American sovereignty, expanding the government and entrenching dependency and with folks like you supposedly on “my side” it means that not only do genuine conservatives have to take on the Obamatards and the moveon’s and the kossacks but also our own spoiled crybabies who want everything done for them and complain that it is never perfect. I am running out of ways to phrase the same thing Joy. Getting it yet?

  31. #608893
    On February 1st, 2009 at 11:37 pm, Bill Grant said:
  32. #608908
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 am, California Red said:

    Maybe Tom deserves a pass. Taxes and finance is tough stuff. As long as he knows his health and human services stuff we should forgive the ‘mistakes’ on is tax returns. Now if he were up for the position of being in charge of the IRS and our Treasury, the that would just not do.

    But come on, it not like he is some boy genius financial wunderkind (that sat on the NY Fed as Wall Street melted down).

  33. #608911
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 2:56 am, conservative in europe said:

    Joy said:

    BTW, Conservative in Europe, a Troll wouldn’t be the person who agrees and defends the Hostess with the Mostess, MM, but the ones who stab at her continually and blame her for helping McCain lose, like you and Mr. Grant.

    Sorry Joy, but you slip on another point (one of thousands, it seems). The only person I blame for McCain’s loss is McCain. If he were a Conservative, he would have won. Period. That point is, apparently, agreed upon by the majority here.

    What I said was that you would gain a lot more respect if you simply held a reasonable conversation instead of telling people to “Shut up”. Makes you look like a Democrat. I don’t know you, but if someone called me such a low and vile name, I would be extremely offended. So, the word “troll” comes to mind.

    I’m done feeding you now.

  34. #608922
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 7:54 am, graysonret said:

    29 years ago, we had ABSCAM. I wonder how the sting would go today, with all the corruption around.

  35. #608923
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 7:57 am, PatriotRider said:

    Yea, give the guy a break. He’s embarassed. So all’s forgiven. Right?

    *sacasm off*

  36. #608952
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 8:53 am, dan708 said:

    Since Daschle’s inept leadership made it possible for the Republicans to re-take control of the Senate for a few years, the BO Repubs will thank him by rubber-stamping his nomination.

  37. #609282
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am, JHSII said:

    “conservative in europe” appears to be a clear example of someone who comes into a conversation in the middle of the discussion and then chooses sides based on missing everything that came before he showed up.

    Joy was/is right. You don’t like that, then go back to the parts of the conversation you missed and start all over again.

  38. #609380
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am, JHSII said:

    “Joy was/is right.”

    Someone else who ran out of fingers to count on… try freeing up your other hand.

  39. #609388
    On February 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm, JHSII said:

    Another cheap shot from Bill. He has to do this when he has nothing of substance to contribute to the conversation.

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