What will the Bend Over Republicans do with tax cheat Tom Daschle?
Before we get to tax cheat Tom Daschle, let’s recall the names of the Bend Over Republicans who pooh-poohed Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s tax troubles and accused critics of “thinking in small political terms.”
On the Senate Finance Committee, B.O. Republicans Mike Crapo, Orrin Hatch, John Cornyn, Olympia Snowe and John Ensign all determined that Geithner’s “tax goofs” worth $43,000 did not disqualify him from the job of overseeing everyone else’s taxes.
On Jan. 26, when the full Senate voted, 10 B.O. Republicans cast their votes in the affirmative for the serial tax evader and bailout failout architect. Those 10 B.O. Republicans were:
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Ensign (R-NV)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Voinovich (R-OH)
What, pray tell, will these apologists for tax evasion do with Tom Daschle? Like Geithner, Daschle pleads ignorance – and only paid back taxes and interest during the vetting process for his Health and Human Services Secretary nomination:
ABC News has learned that the nomination of former Senator Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., to be President Obama’s secretary of health and human services has hit a traffic snarl on its way through the Senate Finance Committee.
The controversy deals with a car and driver lent to Daschle by a wealthy Democratic friend — a chauffeur service the former senator used for years without declaring it on his taxes.
It remains an open question as to whether this is a “speed bump,” as a Democratic Senate ally of Daschle put it, or something more damaging.
After being defeated in his 2004 re-election campaign to the Senate, Daschle in 2005 became a consultant and chairman of the executive advisory board at InterMedia Advisors.
Based in New York City, InterMedia Advisors is a private equity firm founded in part by longtime Daschle friend and Democratic fundraiser Leo Hindery, the former president of the YES network (the New York Yankees’ and New Jersey Devils’ cable television channel).
That same year he began his professional relationship with InterMedia, Daschle began using the services of Hindery’s car and driver.
The Cadillac and driver were never part of Daschle’s official compensation package at InterMedia, but Mr. Daschle — who as Senate majority leader enjoyed the use of a car and driver at taxpayer expense — didn’t declare their services on his income taxes, as tax laws require.
During the vetting process to become HHS secretary, Daschle corrected the tax violation, voluntarily paying $101,943 in back taxes plus interest, working with his accountant to amend his tax returns for 2005 through 2007.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Late Friday night, ABC News obtained the Senate Finance Committee report on Daschle, which revealed even more unreported income:
Mr. Daschle also didn’t report $83,333 in consulting income in 2007.
The Senate Finance Committee Report also notes that during the vetting process, President Obama’s Transition Team “identified certain donations that did not qualify as charitable deductions because they were not paid to qualifying organizations. Daschle adjusted his contribution deductions on his amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 to remove these amounts and add additional contributions.” This adjustment meant a reduction in the amount he contributed to charitable foundations of $14,963 from 2005 through 2007.
With the unreported income from the use of a car service in the amounts of $73,031 in 2005, $89,129 in 2006 and $93,096 in 2007; the unreported consulting income of $83,333 in 2007; and the adjusted reductions in charitable contributions, Daschle adds a total of $353,552 in additional income and reduced donations, meaning an additional tax payment of $128,203, in addition to $11,964 in interest.
And then there’s the issue of his travel with an education-loan provider — reported by the WSJ last week:
In part, some Finance Committee staff members are looking at Mr. Daschle’s interaction with EduCap Inc., a nonprofit lender that has faced Internal Revenue Service scrutiny for its lending practices and faces a separate Finance Committee probe into what some on the committee believe to be abuses of its status as a charity. Attempts to get comment from EduCap were unsuccessful.
According to Finance Committee aides, EduCap flew Mr. Daschle on its corporate jet several times, including flights to vacation spots. News of such flights first emerged in 2007, after Mr. Daschle had left the Senate.
The Finance Committee staff is trying to determine whether those flights had a legitimate charitable purpose and whether Mr. Daschle’s presence on board could be justified as a charity project. In that sense, the inquiry may have more to do with EduCap’s tax status than Mr. Daschle’s.
Daschle aides have acknowledged he was on some flights but said there was nothing improper about the trips.
Finance Committee aides are also looking at past tax returns, whose complexity has slowed the vetting process. Mr. Daschle and his wife have numerous business interests. Other people familiar with the nomination say one avenue of inquiry is how he characterized charitable deductions on his income tax returns.
But Daschle’s “naive” mistakes make him more qualified to hold a Cabinet position, remember? That’s the reasoning embraced by the Lindsay Graham wing of the Republican Party. Now, the B.O. Republicans will have to 1) twist themselves in pretzels to find a logical explanation for opposing this new tax cheat with liabilities three times Geithner’s; or 2) assume the downward dog yoga position, approve yet another corrupted Obama nominee, and meekly dub him indispensible and “uniquely qualified” to raise the taxes of other Americans after failing to pay his own.
Screw up, move up. It’s the bipartisan Washington way.
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John Hinderaker finds a silver lining: “Thee good thing about electing a Democrat as President is that, as he nominates fellow Democrats to senior positions in the Executive Branch, millions of dollars in unpaid tax liabilities come to light and are belatedly paid to the IRS, with interest. It is, perhaps, the most tangible advantage of electing Democrats to office.”
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I get it now: Bill Grant = Uber Conservative, everyone else = irrelevant
Above discussion is perfect example of the difference from those on the right and the left. On the right there is disagreement. On the left there is a Manefesto.
On January 31st, 2009 at 3:40 pm, RogerCfromSD said:
Conservatives are as relevant or as irrelevant as they have made themselves. The brilliant strategy espoused here of dragging down the only thing that could have stopped the socialist steamroller in a self serving display of pseudo conservative hubris hasn’t helped with the whole “relevancy” thing. Meanwhile the leftists have outworked and out strategized us.
Reap/sew.
The only thing that dragged down Conservatives here was the incessant attacks on them by someone who calls himself a Conservative.
Can someone who viscerally attacks Conservatives at every opportunity really expect to get them to support his positions?
Johnny, I am not wasting any more time on someone so needful of attention. Go get a paper rout.
And Bill calls me “Johnny”.
My name is John. Nobody’s called me Johnny since I was about 12 years old. I guess that shows what level Bill is at.
The only one here trying to get attention is Bill. He believes he can do that by trolling, attacking, and lying. He does have a point there – I don’t tolerate trolls very well.
“there will be a revolt…”
I believe there is some truth to this. For the first time in my life, I’m almost 55, I am starting to wonder just how much further folks can be pushed. We are not passive raised in a communistic brain washed society. Many of us understand we have voluntarily given up some of our freedom to enjoy a better life and greater freedom. We will not continue to be of that mind IF we are giving up freedoms to experince a lesser quality of life AND less freedom. There is a limit. Feels like we are moving closer towards that limit instead of further away every day these days.
Anyone can drag and drop your user name (JHSII) into Google and not only see that you are a web troll, but that you also have the mental age, hobbies and taste in
womangirls of a 12 year old, Johnny.Thanks for derailing another thread. Guess you aren’t concerned that there’s nothing to stop Obama.
More projection by Bill. Nothing new here.
And, of course, Bill derails another thread with his trolling, lies, and attacks on me – and then he blames me. It’s beyond the point of being pathological.
Not paying taxes isthe Democrats sport. Remember Bill Clinton had to pay back taxes for deducting interest that he did not pay.
Now children. Stop the infantile bickering.
Is this the same Bill Grant that does an op-ed in the daily senile in GJ,CO?
Back to the original subject:
There is possibly another Republican tactic in play here, even though I don’t believe that Senate Republicans are smart enough to try to pull it off.
Give the Democrats everything they want so when it all fails there won’t be any Republicans to blame.
Remember that these are the same Republicans that have tried to play Democrat-lite the last few years. Does anyone else think they’re smart enough to pull that tactic off given how successful they were at playing Democrat-lite and hoping that they wouldn’t drive away their base??
No 67–dadinseattle
Maybe we could have Cher record this as a new song. Hell–I got a letter from the IRS one time when the wife’s employer paid travel expenses erroneously. We caught the error but the employer never corrected their input to IRS. I received a letter advising I had unreported income of some $60. Should have been 80k and I would have sailed home free–NOT
Re Tom Daschle:
Thanks, Txvet2, for the word of the day: sinecure. Looked it up…spot on!
On January 31st, 2009 at 4:59 pm, rfjjulie said:
LOL. I looked it up to see what you were talking about. Nope, That fellow isn’t me. I am more like this Bill Grant.
B-b–b-but, aren’t we thankful John McCain wasn’t elected?
Just think,
Instead of just one vote in the Senate, he’d have the VETO pen.
whew
JHSII said
I only wish that were true. Unfortunatly, I think they are all in this together. As long as they, the pols, control the gubment, instead of the other way around, I am stocking up on food and ammo.
Bill Grant said
Gag.. I guess I’ll put that wagyu steak back in the feezer.
And these clowns won’t support a flat tax. Maybe it’s because they might get caught cheating sooner.
Network, “I’m mad as hell and not going to take it any more.”
The Federal Government is spending millions, billions, trillions of dollars of the tax payers money. Federal appointees have skipped out on paying their taxes. The “Stimulus Package” is so full of rotten pork that the dogs won’t go near it.
What if, just what if no body paid their taxes? We could kill the “Stimulus Package” and perhaps get our elected officials to listen to us.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Total votes for Bush 2004… 62,040,610
Total votes for McCain 2008… 59,934,814
Total votes Obama 2008… 69,456,897
Now let’s play let’s pretend and say that all the people who voted for Bush voted for McCain. And let’s further pad it in favor of McCain by assuming that none were stay home voters, but all voted instead for Obama . Following this? I doubt it, but I’ll keep going anyway.
Add the difference in votes to McCain, and subtract it from Obama and you get
McCain = 62,040,610…
Obama = 67,351,101
Obama still leads by 5,310,491.
B. Hussein would have won even if McCain had gotten all Bush’s votes and there were no stay homes!!
McCain lost, and not because of Michelle Malkin or a lack of conservatives voting. Get it? Again, I doubt it, but maybe it will sink in.
Now, two more words for you.
SHUT… UP…
This Geithner nomination and such is prof positive that the GOP really has no leadership right apart from conservative journalism, talk radio, and advocacy groups…they are only listening to whomever screams the loudest amongst our ranks.
There is not a single unifier in the GOP. The GOP really needs to get some balls quick.
Hopefully (Michael) Steele will gird them
Once we let Geitner slide we set a precedent. Tax fraud/evasion/negligence is not a valid reason to deny a democrat appointment to whatever post obama, in his poor judgement, sees fit.
Obama brought in his team of those that respect no laws. Did any of You expect anything else?
Right. You first. Anyway, most people’s income and payroll taxes are extracted from their paychecks before they even see them. You could change your withholding to zero out your income tax, but if you ended the year under-withheld you would face penalties. If they wanted to be nasty about it, for instance if they thought you were a tax protester, they could probably also get you for some sort of fraud/false statement and throw you in jail. Of course, if you are a true revolutionary, the thought of jail will be an incentive rather than a deterrent. I’m too old for that stuff, myself.
What you mean we, white eyes?
Not the two words I’d use, but then I’d probably get banned.
Wow! Do you think if I suddenly discovered that I “forgot” to report $353,552 in income over the last couple of years I could just all up the IRS and ask for the “Geithner-Daschle Deduction” and that I would be able to just pay the tax and interest on 1/3rd of a million? Yeah, I thought not.
These people are supposed to be filing 1099 forms for Daschle. You just don’t give someone hundreds of thousands of dollars of money and services in the real world and not account for it. Those checks were accounted for somewhere. Those drivers time and auto expenses were accounted for somewhere, especially after SOX was implemented.
The IRS once listed my daughter’s name differently than how I entered it on my 1040 form. The SSN was the same but I just listed her by her first name, middle initial and last name instead of first name, middle name and last name. It took the IRS hours to deny my refund and send me a letter informing me I was liable for taxes, interest and penalties on unpaid taxes for the couple of days after the 15th of April.
It leaves me incredulous to think the IRS can catch the spelling of my kid’s name but somehow overlook hundreds of thousands in missing 1099 forms.
I guess it is like Eric Cantor said. It is easy to be for raising taxes on everybody else if you don’t bother to pay them yourself.
Ten more Republicans for my black list file with WILL be used in the next election.
Hey! Where’s those nasty penalties the IRS throws on the average Americans?
Two years ago the IRS didn’t receive a report of “no tax due” from one of my small businesses because my partner apparently forgot to mail it (even though we both timely filed our K1’s with our returns. The IRS sent us a letter telling us the tax penalty (for the no tax due return) was $500!!!
Yes, we got the penalty rescinded because my partner’s son was injured in Iraq and in the hospital at the time the return should have been mailed – but, get this point!
These are LAWMAKERS. They are elected because they are supposedly smarter than the average bear who they represent. Yet we have an ex National Security Adviser not knowing he couldn’t “borrow” classified documents and now we have the guys who make the laws (and spend the money) not knowing they actually have to declare income that the IRS might not know about!
txvet2: If enough Americans banned together and did just what is suggested – refused to pay their taxes on the grounds that all the crap sandwiches are unconstitutional – we’d at least get amnesty. Remember, the Democrats love to forgive breaking those pesky little laws.
Atlas Shrugged
We have created an oligarchy and new aristocracy. And they firmly believe they are superior to the “little people.” They don’t have to play by the rules because they make the rules and the rules they make only apply to the “little people.”
Once in a while they have to keep up appearances and will have an “oops” moment when they know they are going to get caught. But, now their leftist buddies, all too often assisted by GOP RINOs, are just blatantly ignoring even the most egregious offenses.
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I call it the audacity of corruption. They are so brazen and in-your-peon-face about it.
The Republicans have been the only party to throw out their trash, and now I think they are joining in without fear of being thrown out because both parties are voting the LOTE. But a country can’t stand for long with this kind of corruption leading it.
There’s only one path for a government this corrupt… third world nation.
On January 31st, 2009 at 6:03 pm, Joy said:
No he didn’t, guess that makes you a liar as well as an idiot.
According to Karl Rove, you hysterical clown, at least 4.1 million republicans stayed at home during the last election. Add in the turned off independents etc.. you can add, can’t you? Add in “daddy yankee” and the constant drone of defeatism. Meanwhile the Obamadroids were circling the wagons, raising money, organizing, getting out the vote… You were blathering on about McCain supporters killing babies, you shrill moron. Happy with the results? Day 1 Obama rolled back Bush’s abortion policies.
You forgot to factor in the wasted votes on the moonbat party’s.. Regardless, not helping is different from being “wholly responsible”. Unless you want to argue that the Obama victory has been good for conservatism.
1) This wasn’t about McCain. This was about the fact that the left can count on a cohesive organized and well funded apparatus that is geared to acquiring, maintaining and expanding it’s political power and the “right” it would appear can count on a mentally masturbatory cadre of blow-hards who do absolutely nothing other than point the finger at each other and shout “RINO”. We are seeing the logical conclusion of purges; irrelevancy. Good for “conservatives”?
2) Railing against the republican party, constantly, and holding the party at large responsible for the individual failures of it’s members has helped the enable the situation we have today. You are going to have a full on Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid Barack Obama socialist agenda that will permanently alter the fabric of the USA. They are consolidating their power and they are doing it with, if not ACTIVE HELP the passive acquiescence of the right.
If you think what they are doing will easily be undone if people somehow snap out of their stupor you are going to have to show me a social entitlement that the government has been able to take away. What they are doing is making people dependent on government for their lively hoods. What they are going to do is entrench their own power through the unions and media and they are going to do it with tax payer money. What they are doing is exactly what I told you they were going to do before the election, when you were nodding while people were ranting that this defeat would get is the next Reagan.
Classy, composed and articulate as always “Joy”.
On January 31st, 2009 at 7:00 pm, txvet2 said:
As I recall you were a part of the brain trust saying this loss would be just what the Republican party needs…
On January 31st, 2009 at 8:05 pm, WarEagle82 said:
Indeed, so timely that Chuck Baldwin, 9/11 truther moonbat who skimmed off the dregs from the Ron Paul movement can sit on his lazy-boy and watch the democrats get a filibusterer proof majority. Now that’s good timing right there…
I will never forget how Tom Daschle held up nearly all of President Bush’s judicial nominees during the first two years of 43’s Presidency.
I will never forget how happy I was that Tom Daschle lost his re-election in 2002.
I will never forget how Obama wants to bring this @#%! back to life in Washington.
That’s not change we can believe in.
And the IRS stuff on top of that?
Bill, you’re quite the pundit. You should ask Err America for slot.
The road has already been paved guys. Our borders will be different in the near future. Culture is everything, and America’s has be irrevocably changed.
On January 31st, 2009 at 8:56 pm, RogerCfromSD said:
Good one, heh…
ITookTheRedPill said:
Ah, the good ol’ days!
You need to read this. It is long, but well worth the time. It’s called “Here It Comes” and describes what we are in for very shortly.
http://market-ticker.org/
Total votes for Baldwin and Barr = 947,893
Total “Other” which includes BOTH left and right write-in and misc parties = 226,908
So let’s pretend all “other” voted for McCain, we have an additional 947,893 votes for McCain.
THEN, let’s pretend in your fantasy, dreamworld that 100% of Roves Republicas turned out and voted for McCain (which would be the first time in the history Republicans or Democrats would have had 100% turnout), that brings his total to 5,047,893… which is STILL short of b. Hussein’s total.
And btw, Bush’s 2004 total does include Independents, so you’re claiming McCain could have gotten a significant percentage more Independents than Bush got. And, in the 2004 election Bush won by the highest number of votes EV-ER (until the 2008 election), but we’re supposed to ignore that little factoid too…
Clearly the one who can’t add and is a hysterical clown is YOU. Talk about living in Fantasy world… Sheeeeeeeeesh.
*Only votes I didn’t give McCain were Nader’s and Cynthia McKinney’s…
Yeah, the GOP could never rely on any cohesive organization with McCain as a member. Just when you thought we would succeed a something, McCain would coming riding in to cut a deal with the surrendercrats.
The socialist agenda was advancing with the help of McCain who thought more of getting amnesty passed than he did of his constituents being murdered, raped or run over by illegal aliens. It was his passive acquiescence to that lawbreaking that actively helped the left, because his constituents got fed up with his lack of representation.
He has certainly been a leader since returning to the Senate huh.
We had this election to stop the tidal wave coming across our border. If we don’t stop amnesty, we lose any shot at another chance. Having an election that clearly delineated between an amnesty candidate and an enforcement candidate would have been an entirely different election. The RNC wanted to make sure we did not have that chance. They wanted an amnesty candidate.
On January 31st, 2009 at 9:43 pm, Joy said:
Gee, didn’t say that either. So for all your moralizing here it turns out that you are just a liar.
It’s clear that you didn’t read my post. It’s in keeping with the world view that you have demonstrated here; to exclude that which you don’t want to be made aware of.
Did you read where I wrote:
Or:
So what have you done to prove me wrong?
Once more; whether or not people like you who sit on their rear end and speak in self congratulatory tones about not owning a television (might interfere with you believing what you want to believe) and not denigrating yourself by accepting the “lesser of 2 evils” (Thereby helping the greater) and wetting yourself because someone had the audacity to point out the repercussions (Pretty accurately too)…whether or not you were completely responsible or only partially responsible for where we are now wasn’t the issue. It was about being a part of the solution not a part of the problem.
I sent somewhere along the line of 190 e-mails (In my name and on behalf of someone else who can’t type anymore.) today and yesterday asking senators to either vote against this stimulus bill or filibuster it. Next week I will make followup calls to the senators who are being targeted by the move on ads and the ones who supposedly represent me.
Don’t dirty yourself with the details though Joy. Sit back and call the people trying to keep Obama and Pelosi from consolidating their hold on power “baby killers” like you did the last time. Don’t give any money to the “lesser of 2 evils” and denigrate the GOP at every opportunity because you are going to believe in what makes you feel superior. Complain, call for purges and trash what little is left that might be thrown at the bastards and seek to absolve yourself and your clique of any responsibility for the consequences. Really Joy… Hearing me remind you that you have conflated a wrong headed notion of “being a conservative” into being a lousy American is such a small price for having it so easy.
VP – Amazing that the one main thing Ds and Rs agree on (the one’s in power I mean) is amnesty. Both parties are on a suicide mission for our country for different, but both insane, reasons.
Isn’t it ironic?
Yeah, Bill, those remaining RINOs are sure standing up firm for truth, justice and the American way!
I have had enough of GOP lies. They aren’t conservatives and they almost certainly never will be again. I am not voting for “Socialism Lite” because they call themselves Republicans.
On January 31st, 2009 at 9:46 pm, Republicanvet said:
Everything was his fault. John McCain is the reason we are down to 39 seats in the senate.
What a villain. Him being around explains everything.
Great news! He isn’t president so all that murdering raping and running over by illegal aliens is at an end! Right? Now they are all going to be boxed up and shipped back? No?
Now they are going to get their amnesty and there isn’t all that much opponents can do about it.
FACT: McCain wouldn’t have won… period, stick a fork in it and stop blaming some fantasy clique for his failure. You need a different argument because yours is patently false.
Maybe instead of pointing the perpetual finger of accusation (based on a false premise) at conservatives, you could help us come up with a WORKABLE solution that doesn’t include supporting a bunch of Corrupticans.
WarEagle – Yes, the Republicans have showed such strength and fortitude in standing up to the Democrats… their backbone is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. And look at them now. Standing up to tax cheats and… oh wait.
/sarc
Even when they won they acted like whipped puppies with McCain leading the way.
On January 31st, 2009 at 10:40 pm,
WarSurrenderEagle82 said:Not a whole lot they can do. They are sort of like Chuck Baldwin at the moment.
So instead of getting involved and pushing the agenda you chose to glom on to the latest “only man who can save America”. Industrious.
Not if all of this is indicative of where things are going. Republicans from moderate states are probably going to look to the center for votes which will drag the whole country left. Folks like you will point to them as examples of RINO’s who sold out and the cycle will repeat itself until Conservatives are frozen out of the process or walk away. That ought to help conservatism.
Good gracious no. Vote for socialism heavy. Better to check out than be corrupted. Chuck Baldwin has never had to compromise and since his party has never done anything, people like you can’t point to them and call them the next Whigs. You have it all figured out.*
*Except for the undercutting what you supposedly stand for part.
Way to address my other points.
Yes, they will likely get amnesty because McCain and others pushed for it so much when something better could have been passed to deal with the situation. Nothing like a wasted opportunity.
Now, while the deadbeats in the Senate contemplate spending billions on crap that has nothing to do with what is in the constitution, where is McCain? It’s unlike him to leave such a media opportunity to go to waste. Unless he agrees with it.
…all in the name of getting along with Oblahblah of course.
Where is McCain on Daschles taxes? One would think he would be droning on about money corrupting politics.
Does he only do that with Republicans?
On January 31st, 2009 at 10:51 pm, Joy said:
Didn’t write that either.
No, had he gotten enough votes he would have won, you hysterical ninny.
Part of the solution or part of the problem. Nothing false about it.
“Corrupticans”? Politicians are inherently slimy bastards who couldn’t make an honest living at a real job. The best solution is to minimize government’s role in Americans life, indeed minimize government itself. At the moment we are talking about expanding government to proportions that FDR and LBJ would have cringed at. The solution starts by focusing on those who are pushing for this expansion hardest, rather than exclusively focusing on those who are not fighting it hard enough because lets face it, until we are out there with the pitchforks and torches we are not fighting it hard enough either. We should be trying to reverse the momentum that they have and roll it back. This stimulus, card check, Amnesty, socializing medicine are all lines that we can’t let them cross because if they do, it will get people dependent on big government for their livelihood and they will have no choice but to accept everything else that comes with it.
Line by line… I went through it line by line.
McCain doesn’t need to push or pull for it. If the democrats get a super majority he might as well stay home.
I sent money to Tancredo and Joined FAIR. None of that really caught on.
The last president who was serious about immigration enforcement was Eisenhower. Plenty of wasted opportunities since IKE.
The senate hasn’t taken up the debate yet. They will this week. Contact them and tell them to vote against it if they are a democrat or filibusterer it if they are a Republican.
So he is the villain already.
Villain.
Too quiet, he must be up to some villainy.
…All those times he trashed Republicans for not paying their taxes. Last I heard McCain was out tying sweet Polly Purebred to the railroad tracks, dressed in a top hat and cape. Pointy mustache as well.
That will probably be tomorrows headline on this website.
There is alot more to Mr. Daschle than just his tax problems. Back in the late 1980s, three wonderful physicians were volunteering their time to help out impoverished people on Indian reservations in South Dakota. One day while flying on an airplane after completing work at the reservation, the airplane crashed and all three doctors were killed. What the doctors did not know was that the airline was notorious for being slipshod and for having bad equipment, lousy pilots and antiquated safety procedures. And the doctors did not know that there had been efforts to gound this slipshod airline from flying. But the FAA, led by Linda Daschle had not allowed any grounding of this airline. The airlines executives were buddies of the Daschles and, I believe, contributors to the Daschle campaigns. The NY Times did a thorough investigation and laid out the full pattern of nepotism, cronyism and campaign contributions that led to the disaster that snuffed out the lives of three wonderful, caring physicians. The US Senate was forced to open an ethics investigation into Mr. Daschle. Predictably, the result was nothing but a whitewash. And the whole sordid story was quickly forgotten. But the NY Times article that laid out the whole sickening mess is still there in case at least one member of the MSM wants to look into it.
Marc – I forgot about that. He’s despicable and so is his wife.
And you’d still vote for him. Heck, a republican could pull a Ted Kennedy and drown a woman and you’d be banging his election drum.
On February 1st, 2009 at 1:04 am, Joy said:
If he was caught tying up a cartoon character from underdog? Cartoons are not real Joy…although they might be your next excuse to let the country down and finding a way of rationalizing it that makes you feel holier than everyone else.
Probably not. Do Obama, Pelosi and Reid figure into this imaginary drowning? A rhetorical question…
Republicans keep walking into a left hook
and we keep screaming at them to fight
but they are in a fog, and are doing the same fancy footwork that got them floored the last two election cycles!
Joy,
I couldn’t stand it anymore so I had to feed the troll a little bit..
After eight years of constant, day to day slander of the President on all forms of MSM, this election should have been an actual landslide for the Democrats. Compound this with the Republican candidate being almost universally disliked by his own party as a fence sitter/closet leftist.
Any election outcome that wasn’t a landslide should have made the MSM reconsider their political power and the Democrats think about their message. Remember, 8 years of pro Dem propaganda that cost the party nothing and the best they could do was a few percentage points in the victory? The red/blue map still looks a lot more red than blue. Those of us in Fly Over country will remember every slight the Dems have/are/will inflict/ed/ing upon us.
This appointment is a great example – the President campaigned on change and the classic DemoCommie line up of appointees shows up (you know, crooks and Lenin wannabees).
Your “Shut up” line again proves that Dems can only win a rational argument by name calling.
Bill, feeding the trolls is fun for a little while, then you kind of get calloused to the stupidity they display. I try my best not to but ti’s tough sometimes..
Remember Bush won with 51% of the vote, with the MSM saying, “The country is divided”. When Obama won with 52%, they reported, “The country is united.”
Well, Bill, there you go again.
I am not expecting the RINOs to do a lot. But they can’t even oppose blatant tax cheats and vote against them in confirmation hearings? Is that really asking too much? Or how about asking that they not praise the blatant tax cheats as they vote for them? Is that asking too much?
And I am pretty sure it is the GOP that will be the next Whigs.
I may not have it all figured out but I have figured out the GOP leadership wants to run conservatives out of the party. And they seem to have largely done so.
Joy had it right. When the GOP wins they govern like the Dems. When they lose they roll over and start boot-licking the Dems.
Electing Bush in 2004 paved the way for socialism. And the GOP Congress from 2000 to 2006 was out of control on Big Government spending. Obama gets us to socialism in 8 years and McCain would have gotten us there in 12 to 16 years. Big difference! But, I see you haven’t figured that out yet. At least I have.
I have voted for the GOP for 30 years. The last four years of Big-Government Bush and the nomination of Big-Government McCain proved the GOP had left me and other conservatives. Therefore, I voted for an actual conservative.
But, you go right on voting for the GOP and accepting the lie that they are “finally” going to govern like conservatives. They haven’t done it since 1988 but what does that matter? They always “promise.”
Republican governors head like pigs to the trough.
Actually, yeah, he is a big part of that.
McCain-Feingold crippled Republican fundraising while giving unions and George Soros free rein to promote Democrats.
McCain’s constant attacks against members of his own party over taxes and immigration were picked up and amplified by his allies in the MSM. That was probably not helpful.
McCain’s Gang of 14 tossed dozens of conservative judicial appointments over the side and demoralized the base.
John McCain may not be solely responsible for the state of the senate, (Elizabeth Dole’s incompetent management of the 2006 Republican Senate Campaign Committee played a huge role, too) but it is fair to say he did everything he could to tarnish Republicans and give advantages to Democrats.
First of all your math is flawed because it assumes there were no disgusted stay-homes when Bush ran. But even so it’s irrelevant. McCain was a horrible candidate that would have had a hard time winning even in a good year for Republicans, which this most assuredly was not. For you to say you “doubt that will sink in” here, where contempt for McCain has been widespread since the site started, shows you to be yet another Liberal with poor reading comprehension skills.
More typical Lib boilerplate. When you realize you’re intellectually bankrupt and can’t win an argument you simply want the argument shut down. Well, in response here are two words for you:
Make us.
In fact, here’s two more:
Piss off
53 PERCENT!!!
Well, 53% IS the magic number for a landslide. In that case, Obama can suspend the constitution and rule by fiat! Nobody has every won 53% before. I was hoping no public school educated leftists would figure that out. I guess we conservatives just need to sit down, shut up and hadn our wallets over to Obamabi.
WarEagle,
It is a running joke I have with some on this board.
Here is my main problem with Daschle getting approved by the Senate:
American citizens acted shocked as if we expect the Congresscritters (Dumbocrats and Repulsicans) to police themselves. There are so many analogies (fox-henhouse, etc) that are used. They will not kill the goose that lays their golden eggs.
Bottom line: We keep re-electing the scum. So whose fault is it?
Hey Michele,
You need to have a new contest…
Like a pic of Rangel lolling on a sunny beach..(beached whale anyone)
under his photo….
Our jobs are TAXING enough!!
Can you imagine if either of these tax cheats was a Republican and McCain was in the Whitehouse? Man, it would be impeachment time!
8.4 million votes for the marxist party were cast by dead folks; 4.1M were cast by Donald Duck, Goofy, Mickey & Minnie Mouse, Popeye, Batman, Spiderman…the list goes on and on.
Daschle is, and always has been, a first class scumbag. But he is illustative of the corruption that permeates Congress, on both sides of the aisle. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Thanks conservative in europe and James Felix.
On February 1st, 2009 at 6:34 am, WarEagle82 said:
Involving Reagan, nice touch.
It would be nice. The thing is, our options have been whittled away at the moment due to getting put over the democrats knee and spanked at the polls. There are some big issues coming that need to be fought too.
Who is this “GOP leadership” that you speak of? I think a common fantasy here is that there is some Republican Illuminati somewhere hell-bent on pissing you off. Do you really think they are organized and disciplined enough to be able to maintain any kind of conspiracy? Come on… a keg party has more discipline than our representatives.
Candidates run for office and reflect their constituencies. A “Republican” from a state like Rhode Island, (a miserable, corrupt and dingy state that has never produced anything of merit.
) isn’t going to to resemble a Republican from Texas or Alaska. Your problem isn’t with the “GOP leadership” it’s with the voters.
Another myth that prevails here is that flipping the lever in the voting boot is the end of your obligation to the democratic process. Currently the left isn’t operating under any such illusion. Right now they are running ads targeting senate Republicans to vote for this despicable stimulus atrocity. They are sending out e-mails soliciting donations and asking their people to call write and e-mail the senators in question to get them to cave in.
What are we doing? Calling each other RINO’s and wondering whether it is better to vote for Alan Keyes or stay at home…to send a “message”. In a nutshell, that is why they are in charge; they have worked to co opt the media, they have worked to co opt and corrupt the educational system and they have WORKED to elect whom they want and keep them on a short leash. They have a broad infrastructure that works to ensure that they get their own way at this point and they are building on it and consolidating their power.
Has it helped that we had Bush? Nope. Was McCain a strong candidate? Nope. Did we hold them accountable and keep them on a short leash? Once. On the Amnesty bill when we all got together and scared them a bit. It was wonderful but that was it. We should have been doing that all along. (My solution to the “socialism” as you recall was elect the old fart and hold his feet to the fire) While I understand that there are only so many hours in the day, Moveon.org doesn’t seem to have a problem finding the time.
In the mean time we roll over and take it and call each other rinos and pick away at what’s left. Is that McCain’s fault? Maybe Sarah will save us? The most fundamental conservative principal is that you should look for a helping hand at the end of your own wrist first.
I hate to repeat myself but…
Andrew C. McCarthy analysis is super Obama Smiles
which I link to in my piece
Walking Into a Left Hook (again!)
which is an analogy to a Frazier/Ali
fight with clashing styles, with Frazier trying to fight Ali’s style.
I’m with Grant on this Joy. You can’t have it compleatly to one side all the time, in fact many moderates won’t like it.
And this won’t push in the next RR you fools. IF Obama Fails and if we have a near collapse the US is a major atomic power, there WILL be intervnetion from outside powers and a long bloody multi factional Civil War. If Obama even finishes half of what he promises, it will take way more than a few votes to reverse it.
Freedom isnt free and further more it is a MYTH only a goverment decides what is free and what is not, even an Empire can have more Freedom than a democracy based off who is in charge. The only true freedom we have is the right to think and to fight, and when the hardships are too much to rise up against an opressor, be he Royalist, Communist, Republican, or anything else.
Mac was the lesser of Evils, get used to it, the corporations and most of the money will not want a saint in its place. And given how central money has became in America’s live blood, it will take a compleat 180 to reverse this trend.
it is a MYTH only a goverment “decides…”
Not sure “myth” is the right word. The left believes it is so. The founders of our country however most certainly did not. The reason our founding documents so clearly state that our freedom comes from being created free is that they did not want anyone at anytime to think it was the government that extended or made men free. It was s direct challenge to the way folks looked at a “king” or “queen”.
Our government at the hands of non-conservatives has equally as clearly slipped back to all goodthings come from government.
This is why a conservative mindset is a threat to a leftist. We threaten their belief system at its core.
What Bill is leaving out of his analysis is that Move-On and Kos didn’t takeover the Democrat party by compromising with moderate Democrats. They spent a lot of time backing losing candidates and purging the party of those who were insufficiently godless and socialistic. And when the Republicans blew it, (by following the leads of RINO’s and moderates), the left-wing of the Democrat party was ready to pounce and capitalize.
Well, add two more people who blame conservatives and Michelle Malkin for McCain’s loss. Two more people who are mathematically challenged(James Felix and Conservative in Europe).
And now I’m a Lib… lol No guys, according to Mr. Grant I’m TOO conservative, as are MM and many others here. We are supposed to move left so we can recapture the power in Congress.
No thank you. Moving left is not the answer.