What will the Bend Over Republicans do with tax cheat Tom Daschle?
Before we get to tax cheat Tom Daschle, let’s recall the names of the Bend Over Republicans who pooh-poohed Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s tax troubles and accused critics of “thinking in small political terms.”
On the Senate Finance Committee, B.O. Republicans Mike Crapo, Orrin Hatch, John Cornyn, Olympia Snowe and John Ensign all determined that Geithner’s “tax goofs” worth $43,000 did not disqualify him from the job of overseeing everyone else’s taxes.
On Jan. 26, when the full Senate voted, 10 B.O. Republicans cast their votes in the affirmative for the serial tax evader and bailout failout architect. Those 10 B.O. Republicans were:
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Ensign (R-NV)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Voinovich (R-OH)
What, pray tell, will these apologists for tax evasion do with Tom Daschle? Like Geithner, Daschle pleads ignorance – and only paid back taxes and interest during the vetting process for his Health and Human Services Secretary nomination:
ABC News has learned that the nomination of former Senator Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., to be President Obama’s secretary of health and human services has hit a traffic snarl on its way through the Senate Finance Committee.
The controversy deals with a car and driver lent to Daschle by a wealthy Democratic friend — a chauffeur service the former senator used for years without declaring it on his taxes.
It remains an open question as to whether this is a “speed bump,” as a Democratic Senate ally of Daschle put it, or something more damaging.
After being defeated in his 2004 re-election campaign to the Senate, Daschle in 2005 became a consultant and chairman of the executive advisory board at InterMedia Advisors.
Based in New York City, InterMedia Advisors is a private equity firm founded in part by longtime Daschle friend and Democratic fundraiser Leo Hindery, the former president of the YES network (the New York Yankees’ and New Jersey Devils’ cable television channel).
That same year he began his professional relationship with InterMedia, Daschle began using the services of Hindery’s car and driver.
The Cadillac and driver were never part of Daschle’s official compensation package at InterMedia, but Mr. Daschle — who as Senate majority leader enjoyed the use of a car and driver at taxpayer expense — didn’t declare their services on his income taxes, as tax laws require.
During the vetting process to become HHS secretary, Daschle corrected the tax violation, voluntarily paying $101,943 in back taxes plus interest, working with his accountant to amend his tax returns for 2005 through 2007.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Late Friday night, ABC News obtained the Senate Finance Committee report on Daschle, which revealed even more unreported income:
Mr. Daschle also didn’t report $83,333 in consulting income in 2007.
The Senate Finance Committee Report also notes that during the vetting process, President Obama’s Transition Team “identified certain donations that did not qualify as charitable deductions because they were not paid to qualifying organizations. Daschle adjusted his contribution deductions on his amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 to remove these amounts and add additional contributions.” This adjustment meant a reduction in the amount he contributed to charitable foundations of $14,963 from 2005 through 2007.
With the unreported income from the use of a car service in the amounts of $73,031 in 2005, $89,129 in 2006 and $93,096 in 2007; the unreported consulting income of $83,333 in 2007; and the adjusted reductions in charitable contributions, Daschle adds a total of $353,552 in additional income and reduced donations, meaning an additional tax payment of $128,203, in addition to $11,964 in interest.
And then there’s the issue of his travel with an education-loan provider — reported by the WSJ last week:
In part, some Finance Committee staff members are looking at Mr. Daschle’s interaction with EduCap Inc., a nonprofit lender that has faced Internal Revenue Service scrutiny for its lending practices and faces a separate Finance Committee probe into what some on the committee believe to be abuses of its status as a charity. Attempts to get comment from EduCap were unsuccessful.
According to Finance Committee aides, EduCap flew Mr. Daschle on its corporate jet several times, including flights to vacation spots. News of such flights first emerged in 2007, after Mr. Daschle had left the Senate.
The Finance Committee staff is trying to determine whether those flights had a legitimate charitable purpose and whether Mr. Daschle’s presence on board could be justified as a charity project. In that sense, the inquiry may have more to do with EduCap’s tax status than Mr. Daschle’s.
Daschle aides have acknowledged he was on some flights but said there was nothing improper about the trips.
Finance Committee aides are also looking at past tax returns, whose complexity has slowed the vetting process. Mr. Daschle and his wife have numerous business interests. Other people familiar with the nomination say one avenue of inquiry is how he characterized charitable deductions on his income tax returns.
But Daschle’s “naive” mistakes make him more qualified to hold a Cabinet position, remember? That’s the reasoning embraced by the Lindsay Graham wing of the Republican Party. Now, the B.O. Republicans will have to 1) twist themselves in pretzels to find a logical explanation for opposing this new tax cheat with liabilities three times Geithner’s; or 2) assume the downward dog yoga position, approve yet another corrupted Obama nominee, and meekly dub him indispensible and “uniquely qualified” to raise the taxes of other Americans after failing to pay his own.
Screw up, move up. It’s the bipartisan Washington way.
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John Hinderaker finds a silver lining: “Thee good thing about electing a Democrat as President is that, as he nominates fellow Democrats to senior positions in the Executive Branch, millions of dollars in unpaid tax liabilities come to light and are belatedly paid to the IRS, with interest. It is, perhaps, the most tangible advantage of electing Democrats to office.”
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On January 31st, 2009 at 4:59 pm, rfjjulie said:
LOL. I looked it up to see what you were talking about. Nope, That fellow isn’t me. I am more like this Bill Grant.
B-b–b-but, aren’t we thankful John McCain wasn’t elected?
Just think,
Instead of just one vote in the Senate, he’d have the VETO pen.
whew
JHSII said
I only wish that were true. Unfortunatly, I think they are all in this together. As long as they, the pols, control the gubment, instead of the other way around, I am stocking up on food and ammo.
Bill Grant said
Gag.. I guess I’ll put that wagyu steak back in the feezer.
And these clowns won’t support a flat tax. Maybe it’s because they might get caught cheating sooner.
Network, “I’m mad as hell and not going to take it any more.”
The Federal Government is spending millions, billions, trillions of dollars of the tax payers money. Federal appointees have skipped out on paying their taxes. The “Stimulus Package” is so full of rotten pork that the dogs won’t go near it.
What if, just what if no body paid their taxes? We could kill the “Stimulus Package” and perhaps get our elected officials to listen to us.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Total votes for Bush 2004… 62,040,610
Total votes for McCain 2008… 59,934,814
Total votes Obama 2008… 69,456,897
Now let’s play let’s pretend and say that all the people who voted for Bush voted for McCain. And let’s further pad it in favor of McCain by assuming that none were stay home voters, but all voted instead for Obama . Following this? I doubt it, but I’ll keep going anyway.
Add the difference in votes to McCain, and subtract it from Obama and you get
McCain = 62,040,610…
Obama = 67,351,101
Obama still leads by 5,310,491.
B. Hussein would have won even if McCain had gotten all Bush’s votes and there were no stay homes!!
McCain lost, and not because of Michelle Malkin or a lack of conservatives voting. Get it? Again, I doubt it, but maybe it will sink in.
Now, two more words for you.
SHUT… UP…
This Geithner nomination and such is prof positive that the GOP really has no leadership right apart from conservative journalism, talk radio, and advocacy groups…they are only listening to whomever screams the loudest amongst our ranks.
There is not a single unifier in the GOP. The GOP really needs to get some balls quick.
Hopefully (Michael) Steele will gird them
Once we let Geitner slide we set a precedent. Tax fraud/evasion/negligence is not a valid reason to deny a democrat appointment to whatever post obama, in his poor judgement, sees fit.
Obama brought in his team of those that respect no laws. Did any of You expect anything else?
Right. You first. Anyway, most people’s income and payroll taxes are extracted from their paychecks before they even see them. You could change your withholding to zero out your income tax, but if you ended the year under-withheld you would face penalties. If they wanted to be nasty about it, for instance if they thought you were a tax protester, they could probably also get you for some sort of fraud/false statement and throw you in jail. Of course, if you are a true revolutionary, the thought of jail will be an incentive rather than a deterrent. I’m too old for that stuff, myself.
What you mean we, white eyes?
Not the two words I’d use, but then I’d probably get banned.
Wow! Do you think if I suddenly discovered that I “forgot” to report $353,552 in income over the last couple of years I could just all up the IRS and ask for the “Geithner-Daschle Deduction” and that I would be able to just pay the tax and interest on 1/3rd of a million? Yeah, I thought not.
These people are supposed to be filing 1099 forms for Daschle. You just don’t give someone hundreds of thousands of dollars of money and services in the real world and not account for it. Those checks were accounted for somewhere. Those drivers time and auto expenses were accounted for somewhere, especially after SOX was implemented.
The IRS once listed my daughter’s name differently than how I entered it on my 1040 form. The SSN was the same but I just listed her by her first name, middle initial and last name instead of first name, middle name and last name. It took the IRS hours to deny my refund and send me a letter informing me I was liable for taxes, interest and penalties on unpaid taxes for the couple of days after the 15th of April.
It leaves me incredulous to think the IRS can catch the spelling of my kid’s name but somehow overlook hundreds of thousands in missing 1099 forms.
I guess it is like Eric Cantor said. It is easy to be for raising taxes on everybody else if you don’t bother to pay them yourself.
Ten more Republicans for my black list file with WILL be used in the next election.
Hey! Where’s those nasty penalties the IRS throws on the average Americans?
Two years ago the IRS didn’t receive a report of “no tax due” from one of my small businesses because my partner apparently forgot to mail it (even though we both timely filed our K1′s with our returns. The IRS sent us a letter telling us the tax penalty (for the no tax due return) was $500!!!
Yes, we got the penalty rescinded because my partner’s son was injured in Iraq and in the hospital at the time the return should have been mailed – but, get this point!
These are LAWMAKERS. They are elected because they are supposedly smarter than the average bear who they represent. Yet we have an ex National Security Adviser not knowing he couldn’t “borrow” classified documents and now we have the guys who make the laws (and spend the money) not knowing they actually have to declare income that the IRS might not know about!
txvet2: If enough Americans banned together and did just what is suggested – refused to pay their taxes on the grounds that all the crap sandwiches are unconstitutional – we’d at least get amnesty. Remember, the Democrats love to forgive breaking those pesky little laws.
Atlas Shrugged
We have created an oligarchy and new aristocracy. And they firmly believe they are superior to the “little people.” They don’t have to play by the rules because they make the rules and the rules they make only apply to the “little people.”
Once in a while they have to keep up appearances and will have an “oops” moment when they know they are going to get caught. But, now their leftist buddies, all too often assisted by GOP RINOs, are just blatantly ignoring even the most egregious offenses.
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I call it the audacity of corruption. They are so brazen and in-your-peon-face about it.
The Republicans have been the only party to throw out their trash, and now I think they are joining in without fear of being thrown out because both parties are voting the LOTE. But a country can’t stand for long with this kind of corruption leading it.
There’s only one path for a government this corrupt… third world nation.
On January 31st, 2009 at 6:03 pm, Joy said:
No he didn’t, guess that makes you a liar as well as an idiot.
According to Karl Rove, you hysterical clown, at least 4.1 million republicans stayed at home during the last election. Add in the turned off independents etc.. you can add, can’t you? Add in “daddy yankee” and the constant drone of defeatism. Meanwhile the Obamadroids were circling the wagons, raising money, organizing, getting out the vote… You were blathering on about McCain supporters killing babies, you shrill moron. Happy with the results? Day 1 Obama rolled back Bush’s abortion policies.
You forgot to factor in the wasted votes on the moonbat party’s.. Regardless, not helping is different from being “wholly responsible”. Unless you want to argue that the Obama victory has been good for conservatism.
1) This wasn’t about McCain. This was about the fact that the left can count on a cohesive organized and well funded apparatus that is geared to acquiring, maintaining and expanding it’s political power and the “right” it would appear can count on a mentally masturbatory cadre of blow-hards who do absolutely nothing other than point the finger at each other and shout “RINO”. We are seeing the logical conclusion of purges; irrelevancy. Good for “conservatives”?
2) Railing against the republican party, constantly, and holding the party at large responsible for the individual failures of it’s members has helped the enable the situation we have today. You are going to have a full on Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid Barack Obama socialist agenda that will permanently alter the fabric of the USA. They are consolidating their power and they are doing it with, if not ACTIVE HELP the passive acquiescence of the right.
If you think what they are doing will easily be undone if people somehow snap out of their stupor you are going to have to show me a social entitlement that the government has been able to take away. What they are doing is making people dependent on government for their lively hoods. What they are going to do is entrench their own power through the unions and media and they are going to do it with tax payer money. What they are doing is exactly what I told you they were going to do before the election, when you were nodding while people were ranting that this defeat would get is the next Reagan.
Classy, composed and articulate as always “Joy”.
On January 31st, 2009 at 7:00 pm, txvet2 said:
As I recall you were a part of the brain trust saying this loss would be just what the Republican party needs…
On January 31st, 2009 at 8:05 pm, WarEagle82 said:
Indeed, so timely that Chuck Baldwin, 9/11 truther moonbat who skimmed off the dregs from the Ron Paul movement can sit on his lazy-boy and watch the democrats get a filibusterer proof majority. Now that’s good timing right there…
I will never forget how Tom Daschle held up nearly all of President Bush’s judicial nominees during the first two years of 43′s Presidency.
I will never forget how happy I was that Tom Daschle lost his re-election in 2002.
I will never forget how Obama wants to bring this @#%! back to life in Washington.
That’s not change we can believe in.
And the IRS stuff on top of that?
Bill, you’re quite the pundit. You should ask Err America for slot.
The road has already been paved guys. Our borders will be different in the near future. Culture is everything, and America’s has be irrevocably changed.
On January 31st, 2009 at 8:56 pm, RogerCfromSD said:
Good one, heh…
ITookTheRedPill said:
Ah, the good ol’ days!
You need to read this. It is long, but well worth the time. It’s called “Here It Comes” and describes what we are in for very shortly.
http://market-ticker.org/
Total votes for Baldwin and Barr = 947,893
Total “Other” which includes BOTH left and right write-in and misc parties = 226,908
So let’s pretend all “other” voted for McCain, we have an additional 947,893 votes for McCain.
THEN, let’s pretend in your fantasy, dreamworld that 100% of Roves Republicas turned out and voted for McCain (which would be the first time in the history Republicans or Democrats would have had 100% turnout), that brings his total to 5,047,893… which is STILL short of b. Hussein’s total.
And btw, Bush’s 2004 total does include Independents, so you’re claiming McCain could have gotten a significant percentage more Independents than Bush got. And, in the 2004 election Bush won by the highest number of votes EV-ER (until the 2008 election), but we’re supposed to ignore that little factoid too…
Clearly the one who can’t add and is a hysterical clown is YOU. Talk about living in Fantasy world… Sheeeeeeeeesh.
*Only votes I didn’t give McCain were Nader’s and Cynthia McKinney’s…
Yeah, the GOP could never rely on any cohesive organization with McCain as a member. Just when you thought we would succeed a something, McCain would coming riding in to cut a deal with the surrendercrats.
The socialist agenda was advancing with the help of McCain who thought more of getting amnesty passed than he did of his constituents being murdered, raped or run over by illegal aliens. It was his passive acquiescence to that lawbreaking that actively helped the left, because his constituents got fed up with his lack of representation.
He has certainly been a leader since returning to the Senate huh.
We had this election to stop the tidal wave coming across our border. If we don’t stop amnesty, we lose any shot at another chance. Having an election that clearly delineated between an amnesty candidate and an enforcement candidate would have been an entirely different election. The RNC wanted to make sure we did not have that chance. They wanted an amnesty candidate.
On January 31st, 2009 at 9:43 pm, Joy said:
Gee, didn’t say that either. So for all your moralizing here it turns out that you are just a liar.
It’s clear that you didn’t read my post. It’s in keeping with the world view that you have demonstrated here; to exclude that which you don’t want to be made aware of.
Did you read where I wrote:
Or:
So what have you done to prove me wrong?
Once more; whether or not people like you who sit on their rear end and speak in self congratulatory tones about not owning a television (might interfere with you believing what you want to believe) and not denigrating yourself by accepting the “lesser of 2 evils” (Thereby helping the greater) and wetting yourself because someone had the audacity to point out the repercussions (Pretty accurately too)…whether or not you were completely responsible or only partially responsible for where we are now wasn’t the issue. It was about being a part of the solution not a part of the problem.
I sent somewhere along the line of 190 e-mails (In my name and on behalf of someone else who can’t type anymore.) today and yesterday asking senators to either vote against this stimulus bill or filibuster it. Next week I will make followup calls to the senators who are being targeted by the move on ads and the ones who supposedly represent me.
Don’t dirty yourself with the details though Joy. Sit back and call the people trying to keep Obama and Pelosi from consolidating their hold on power “baby killers” like you did the last time. Don’t give any money to the “lesser of 2 evils” and denigrate the GOP at every opportunity because you are going to believe in what makes you feel superior. Complain, call for purges and trash what little is left that might be thrown at the bastards and seek to absolve yourself and your clique of any responsibility for the consequences. Really Joy… Hearing me remind you that you have conflated a wrong headed notion of “being a conservative” into being a lousy American is such a small price for having it so easy.
VP – Amazing that the one main thing Ds and Rs agree on (the one’s in power I mean) is amnesty. Both parties are on a suicide mission for our country for different, but both insane, reasons.
Isn’t it ironic?
Yeah, Bill, those remaining RINOs are sure standing up firm for truth, justice and the American way!
I have had enough of GOP lies. They aren’t conservatives and they almost certainly never will be again. I am not voting for “Socialism Lite” because they call themselves Republicans.
On January 31st, 2009 at 9:46 pm, Republicanvet said:
Everything was his fault. John McCain is the reason we are down to 39 seats in the senate.
What a villain. Him being around explains everything.
Great news! He isn’t president so all that murdering raping and running over by illegal aliens is at an end! Right? Now they are all going to be boxed up and shipped back? No?
Now they are going to get their amnesty and there isn’t all that much opponents can do about it.
FACT: McCain wouldn’t have won… period, stick a fork in it and stop blaming some fantasy clique for his failure. You need a different argument because yours is patently false.
Maybe instead of pointing the perpetual finger of accusation (based on a false premise) at conservatives, you could help us come up with a WORKABLE solution that doesn’t include supporting a bunch of Corrupticans.
WarEagle – Yes, the Republicans have showed such strength and fortitude in standing up to the Democrats… their backbone is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. And look at them now. Standing up to tax cheats and… oh wait.
/sarc
Even when they won they acted like whipped puppies with McCain leading the way.
On January 31st, 2009 at 10:40 pm,
WarSurrenderEagle82 said:Not a whole lot they can do. They are sort of like Chuck Baldwin at the moment.
So instead of getting involved and pushing the agenda you chose to glom on to the latest “only man who can save America”. Industrious.
Not if all of this is indicative of where things are going. Republicans from moderate states are probably going to look to the center for votes which will drag the whole country left. Folks like you will point to them as examples of RINO’s who sold out and the cycle will repeat itself until Conservatives are frozen out of the process or walk away. That ought to help conservatism.
Good gracious no. Vote for socialism heavy. Better to check out than be corrupted. Chuck Baldwin has never had to compromise and since his party has never done anything, people like you can’t point to them and call them the next Whigs. You have it all figured out.*
*Except for the undercutting what you supposedly stand for part.
Way to address my other points.
Yes, they will likely get amnesty because McCain and others pushed for it so much when something better could have been passed to deal with the situation. Nothing like a wasted opportunity.
Now, while the deadbeats in the Senate contemplate spending billions on crap that has nothing to do with what is in the constitution, where is McCain? It’s unlike him to leave such a media opportunity to go to waste. Unless he agrees with it.
…all in the name of getting along with Oblahblah of course.
Where is McCain on Daschles taxes? One would think he would be droning on about money corrupting politics.
Does he only do that with Republicans?
On January 31st, 2009 at 10:51 pm, Joy said:
Didn’t write that either.
No, had he gotten enough votes he would have won, you hysterical ninny.
Part of the solution or part of the problem. Nothing false about it.
“Corrupticans”? Politicians are inherently slimy bastards who couldn’t make an honest living at a real job. The best solution is to minimize government’s role in Americans life, indeed minimize government itself. At the moment we are talking about expanding government to proportions that FDR and LBJ would have cringed at. The solution starts by focusing on those who are pushing for this expansion hardest, rather than exclusively focusing on those who are not fighting it hard enough because lets face it, until we are out there with the pitchforks and torches we are not fighting it hard enough either. We should be trying to reverse the momentum that they have and roll it back. This stimulus, card check, Amnesty, socializing medicine are all lines that we can’t let them cross because if they do, it will get people dependent on big government for their livelihood and they will have no choice but to accept everything else that comes with it.
Line by line… I went through it line by line.
McCain doesn’t need to push or pull for it. If the democrats get a super majority he might as well stay home.
I sent money to Tancredo and Joined FAIR. None of that really caught on.
The last president who was serious about immigration enforcement was Eisenhower. Plenty of wasted opportunities since IKE.
The senate hasn’t taken up the debate yet. They will this week. Contact them and tell them to vote against it if they are a democrat or filibusterer it if they are a Republican.
So he is the villain already.
Villain.
Too quiet, he must be up to some villainy.
…All those times he trashed Republicans for not paying their taxes. Last I heard McCain was out tying sweet Polly Purebred to the railroad tracks, dressed in a top hat and cape. Pointy mustache as well.
That will probably be tomorrows headline on this website.
There is alot more to Mr. Daschle than just his tax problems. Back in the late 1980s, three wonderful physicians were volunteering their time to help out impoverished people on Indian reservations in South Dakota. One day while flying on an airplane after completing work at the reservation, the airplane crashed and all three doctors were killed. What the doctors did not know was that the airline was notorious for being slipshod and for having bad equipment, lousy pilots and antiquated safety procedures. And the doctors did not know that there had been efforts to gound this slipshod airline from flying. But the FAA, led by Linda Daschle had not allowed any grounding of this airline. The airlines executives were buddies of the Daschles and, I believe, contributors to the Daschle campaigns. The NY Times did a thorough investigation and laid out the full pattern of nepotism, cronyism and campaign contributions that led to the disaster that snuffed out the lives of three wonderful, caring physicians. The US Senate was forced to open an ethics investigation into Mr. Daschle. Predictably, the result was nothing but a whitewash. And the whole sordid story was quickly forgotten. But the NY Times article that laid out the whole sickening mess is still there in case at least one member of the MSM wants to look into it.
Marc – I forgot about that. He’s despicable and so is his wife.
And you’d still vote for him. Heck, a republican could pull a Ted Kennedy and drown a woman and you’d be banging his election drum.
On February 1st, 2009 at 1:04 am, Joy said:
If he was caught tying up a cartoon character from underdog? Cartoons are not real Joy…although they might be your next excuse to let the country down and finding a way of rationalizing it that makes you feel holier than everyone else.
Probably not. Do Obama, Pelosi and Reid figure into this imaginary drowning? A rhetorical question…
Republicans keep walking into a left hook
and we keep screaming at them to fight
but they are in a fog, and are doing the same fancy footwork that got them floored the last two election cycles!
Joy,
I couldn’t stand it anymore so I had to feed the troll a little bit..
After eight years of constant, day to day slander of the President on all forms of MSM, this election should have been an actual landslide for the Democrats. Compound this with the Republican candidate being almost universally disliked by his own party as a fence sitter/closet leftist.
Any election outcome that wasn’t a landslide should have made the MSM reconsider their political power and the Democrats think about their message. Remember, 8 years of pro Dem propaganda that cost the party nothing and the best they could do was a few percentage points in the victory? The red/blue map still looks a lot more red than blue. Those of us in Fly Over country will remember every slight the Dems have/are/will inflict/ed/ing upon us.
This appointment is a great example – the President campaigned on change and the classic DemoCommie line up of appointees shows up (you know, crooks and Lenin wannabees).
Your “Shut up” line again proves that Dems can only win a rational argument by name calling.
Bill, feeding the trolls is fun for a little while, then you kind of get calloused to the stupidity they display. I try my best not to but ti’s tough sometimes..
Remember Bush won with 51% of the vote, with the MSM saying, “The country is divided”. When Obama won with 52%, they reported, “The country is united.”
Well, Bill, there you go again.
I am not expecting the RINOs to do a lot. But they can’t even oppose blatant tax cheats and vote against them in confirmation hearings? Is that really asking too much? Or how about asking that they not praise the blatant tax cheats as they vote for them? Is that asking too much?
And I am pretty sure it is the GOP that will be the next Whigs.
I may not have it all figured out but I have figured out the GOP leadership wants to run conservatives out of the party. And they seem to have largely done so.
Joy had it right. When the GOP wins they govern like the Dems. When they lose they roll over and start boot-licking the Dems.
Electing Bush in 2004 paved the way for socialism. And the GOP Congress from 2000 to 2006 was out of control on Big Government spending. Obama gets us to socialism in 8 years and McCain would have gotten us there in 12 to 16 years. Big difference! But, I see you haven’t figured that out yet. At least I have.
I have voted for the GOP for 30 years. The last four years of Big-Government Bush and the nomination of Big-Government McCain proved the GOP had left me and other conservatives. Therefore, I voted for an actual conservative.
But, you go right on voting for the GOP and accepting the lie that they are “finally” going to govern like conservatives. They haven’t done it since 1988 but what does that matter? They always “promise.”
Republican governors head like pigs to the trough.
Actually, yeah, he is a big part of that.
McCain-Feingold crippled Republican fundraising while giving unions and George Soros free rein to promote Democrats.
McCain’s constant attacks against members of his own party over taxes and immigration were picked up and amplified by his allies in the MSM. That was probably not helpful.
McCain’s Gang of 14 tossed dozens of conservative judicial appointments over the side and demoralized the base.
John McCain may not be solely responsible for the state of the senate, (Elizabeth Dole’s incompetent management of the 2006 Republican Senate Campaign Committee played a huge role, too) but it is fair to say he did everything he could to tarnish Republicans and give advantages to Democrats.
First of all your math is flawed because it assumes there were no disgusted stay-homes when Bush ran. But even so it’s irrelevant. McCain was a horrible candidate that would have had a hard time winning even in a good year for Republicans, which this most assuredly was not. For you to say you “doubt that will sink in” here, where contempt for McCain has been widespread since the site started, shows you to be yet another Liberal with poor reading comprehension skills.
More typical Lib boilerplate. When you realize you’re intellectually bankrupt and can’t win an argument you simply want the argument shut down. Well, in response here are two words for you:
Make us.
In fact, here’s two more:
Piss off
53 PERCENT!!!
Well, 53% IS the magic number for a landslide. In that case, Obama can suspend the constitution and rule by fiat! Nobody has every won 53% before. I was hoping no public school educated leftists would figure that out. I guess we conservatives just need to sit down, shut up and hadn our wallets over to Obamabi.
WarEagle,
It is a running joke I have with some on this board.
Here is my main problem with Daschle getting approved by the Senate:
American citizens acted shocked as if we expect the Congresscritters (Dumbocrats and Repulsicans) to police themselves. There are so many analogies (fox-henhouse, etc) that are used. They will not kill the goose that lays their golden eggs.
Bottom line: We keep re-electing the scum. So whose fault is it?
Hey Michele,
You need to have a new contest…
Like a pic of Rangel lolling on a sunny beach..(beached whale anyone)
under his photo….
Our jobs are TAXING enough!!
Can you imagine if either of these tax cheats was a Republican and McCain was in the Whitehouse? Man, it would be impeachment time!
8.4 million votes for the marxist party were cast by dead folks; 4.1M were cast by Donald Duck, Goofy, Mickey & Minnie Mouse, Popeye, Batman, Spiderman…the list goes on and on.
Daschle is, and always has been, a first class scumbag. But he is illustative of the corruption that permeates Congress, on both sides of the aisle. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Thanks conservative in europe and James Felix.
On February 1st, 2009 at 6:34 am, WarEagle82 said:
Involving Reagan, nice touch.
It would be nice. The thing is, our options have been whittled away at the moment due to getting put over the democrats knee and spanked at the polls. There are some big issues coming that need to be fought too.
Who is this “GOP leadership” that you speak of? I think a common fantasy here is that there is some Republican Illuminati somewhere hell-bent on pissing you off. Do you really think they are organized and disciplined enough to be able to maintain any kind of conspiracy? Come on… a keg party has more discipline than our representatives.
Candidates run for office and reflect their constituencies. A “Republican” from a state like Rhode Island, (a miserable, corrupt and dingy state that has never produced anything of merit.
) isn’t going to to resemble a Republican from Texas or Alaska. Your problem isn’t with the “GOP leadership” it’s with the voters.
Another myth that prevails here is that flipping the lever in the voting boot is the end of your obligation to the democratic process. Currently the left isn’t operating under any such illusion. Right now they are running ads targeting senate Republicans to vote for this despicable stimulus atrocity. They are sending out e-mails soliciting donations and asking their people to call write and e-mail the senators in question to get them to cave in.
What are we doing? Calling each other RINO’s and wondering whether it is better to vote for Alan Keyes or stay at home…to send a “message”. In a nutshell, that is why they are in charge; they have worked to co opt the media, they have worked to co opt and corrupt the educational system and they have WORKED to elect whom they want and keep them on a short leash. They have a broad infrastructure that works to ensure that they get their own way at this point and they are building on it and consolidating their power.
Has it helped that we had Bush? Nope. Was McCain a strong candidate? Nope. Did we hold them accountable and keep them on a short leash? Once. On the Amnesty bill when we all got together and scared them a bit. It was wonderful but that was it. We should have been doing that all along. (My solution to the “socialism” as you recall was elect the old fart and hold his feet to the fire) While I understand that there are only so many hours in the day, Moveon.org doesn’t seem to have a problem finding the time.
In the mean time we roll over and take it and call each other rinos and pick away at what’s left. Is that McCain’s fault? Maybe Sarah will save us? The most fundamental conservative principal is that you should look for a helping hand at the end of your own wrist first.
I hate to repeat myself but…
Andrew C. McCarthy analysis is super Obama Smiles
which I link to in my piece
Walking Into a Left Hook (again!)
which is an analogy to a Frazier/Ali
fight with clashing styles, with Frazier trying to fight Ali’s style.
I’m with Grant on this Joy. You can’t have it compleatly to one side all the time, in fact many moderates won’t like it.
And this won’t push in the next RR you fools. IF Obama Fails and if we have a near collapse the US is a major atomic power, there WILL be intervnetion from outside powers and a long bloody multi factional Civil War. If Obama even finishes half of what he promises, it will take way more than a few votes to reverse it.
Freedom isnt free and further more it is a MYTH only a goverment decides what is free and what is not, even an Empire can have more Freedom than a democracy based off who is in charge. The only true freedom we have is the right to think and to fight, and when the hardships are too much to rise up against an opressor, be he Royalist, Communist, Republican, or anything else.
Mac was the lesser of Evils, get used to it, the corporations and most of the money will not want a saint in its place. And given how central money has became in America’s live blood, it will take a compleat 180 to reverse this trend.
it is a MYTH only a goverment “decides…”
Not sure “myth” is the right word. The left believes it is so. The founders of our country however most certainly did not. The reason our founding documents so clearly state that our freedom comes from being created free is that they did not want anyone at anytime to think it was the government that extended or made men free. It was s direct challenge to the way folks looked at a “king” or “queen”.
Our government at the hands of non-conservatives has equally as clearly slipped back to all goodthings come from government.
This is why a conservative mindset is a threat to a leftist. We threaten their belief system at its core.
What Bill is leaving out of his analysis is that Move-On and Kos didn’t takeover the Democrat party by compromising with moderate Democrats. They spent a lot of time backing losing candidates and purging the party of those who were insufficiently godless and socialistic. And when the Republicans blew it, (by following the leads of RINO’s and moderates), the left-wing of the Democrat party was ready to pounce and capitalize.
Well, add two more people who blame conservatives and Michelle Malkin for McCain’s loss. Two more people who are mathematically challenged(James Felix and Conservative in Europe).
And now I’m a Lib… lol No guys, according to Mr. Grant I’m TOO conservative, as are MM and many others here. We are supposed to move left so we can recapture the power in Congress.
No thank you. Moving left is not the answer.
The 2004 election had the largest turn-out since 1968. In other words, the fewest stay-homes in 36 years. But the 2008 election brought out around 9,000,000 more voters…
What is it that the RINO tending right isn’t comprehending? YOUR guy ran… and he lost miserably! Look at the numbers I posted. I would think those would be a wake-up to any left-leaning Republicans.
I remember something someone said once. If he was talking to someone (while holding up a pen) and that person refused to admit it was a pen, then there was no use talking to them, because they weren’t mentally there.
That’s where Mr. Grant and those who agree with him are at. You can’t commprehend the FACT, that in this election, McCain could not, and would not have won even if all the fantasy world notions were true such as 100% Republican turn-out, all the “Other” votes going for McCain, etc. etc.
You want to live in fantasy world… have at it.
Socky – great point!
BTW, Conservative in Europe, a Troll wouldn’t be the person who agrees and defends the Hostess with the Mostess, MM, but the ones who stab at her continually and blame her for helping McCain lose, like you and Mr. Grant.
I think his inability to pay his taxes on time is enough to disqualify him from higher office. I think this conclusion is the same one the voters of South Dakota came to several years ago.
Joy – if you’re not careful, Bill will look you up on the internet and deliberately take things out of context, twist things, spin things, and project his own fantasies on you!!
For the record: Conservatives didn’t lose the election for McCain. McCain lost the election for McCain because he spent most of his career saying “screw you” to Conservatives and then at the last minute selected Governor Palin in hopes that would make everything all right.
Some people also get something else wrong.
I don’t owe any politician my vote.
It’s up to the politician to earn my vote.
McCain gave us a choice: Vote for Obama – or vote against Obama with McCain being the lucky recipient.
As a Conservative, McCain gave me no reason to vote for McCain. He did give me a reason to vote against Obama. That he was the recipient of that in no way made it a vote for McCain.
The reason that the Republican party has lost the last two elections is pretty simple. They have offered the choice of real democrat or democrat-lite. It was like the choice of Coca-Cola or New Coke. Any guesses as to how that turned out??
Thanks to people like McCain it will take a lot of effort for the Republican Party to get back those Conservatives it drove away in an effort to be democrat-lite. The best thing that they have going for them so far is that there aren’t really any other viable places to go.
The real question right now is: Can the Republican Party do better than that – especially considering that Conservatives are their base?
On February 1st, 2009 at 4:11 pm, Socky said:
Well firstly They weren’t in the analysis because that’s not the role model I think we ought to be following. (No one is going to pay you to love your country like George Soros can pay you to hate it.) Secondly and more importantly they weren’t in the analysis because the analysis is just flat out wrong. With the exception of the whole Ned Lamont/Joe Leiberman side show they have given their support to “moderate democrats”. Remember the “General Betray-us” ad that those scumbags ran? How many of the Democrat presidential candidates voted for the resolution condemning it? Zero. Move on also helped out Clinton and Dodd before hey decided to coalesce behind Obama. Didn’t support “moderate” democrats? Jim Webb against George Alan? I suppose it depends on what you mean by “moderate”.
What do you think the event was where the republicans “blew it” and what specific advice did they follow from what “RINO’s” in order to achieve that effect. For instance, were the republicans responsible for Freddy and Fannie as they have been made out to be? How about “losing” “Bush’s war” in Iraq that had broad democratic support at the outset? I agree that they blew it, but I am curious to see how you are going to blame your usual suspects.
On February 1st, 2009 at 5:31 pm, JHSII said:
The folks from dateline’s “to catch a predator” want to interview you about your child gymnast fetish Johnny.
More of Bill’s fantasies in post #177
On February 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm, Joy ranted:
In your case it would be the whole “part of the solution or part of the problem” paradigm. Funny how people who advocate not voting Republican are so free tossing out the word “RINO”.
That’s a great story… Did you write your senators about the stimulus bill yet? No? Prove my point much?
Sure he could have, simply by getting more votes. What you seem to be saying is that NO republican could have won so we might as well just accept our new leftist overlords. You wonder why people call you a liberal troll?
Thanks Joy. Maybe this will help Bill G understand, but I doubt it.
For the middle four years of Bush’s presidency, the GOP held the Congress and the White House. Yes, taxes were cut, but they were still higher than they were when Bush 41 took office. And the GOP went crazy with the spending. A couple great SCOTUS justices were appointed, but they had three dozen vacancies in the Circuit Court, and instead of filling them with constructionists, they decided to play games with their Gang of 14.
Worst of all, no one in the Bush Admin or the Republican leadership articulated a case for government restraint. Instead, they seem to tacitly agree that big government was good, as long as they were in charge of it.
And if that’s what we get when Republicans are in charge, then what’s the point?
Now, can anyone articulate this to the RNC? And would they even care if someone did?
OOPs, forgot this:
On February 1st, 2009 at 4:13 pm, Joy said:
No, never wrote that. Spoiled brat was what came to mind.
All these quotes and positions of mine that you make up or mis-characterize… You remind me of this really, really great story I heard about talking to someone while holding up a pen….
Yes, and called many who aren’t mine to encourage them not to vote for the trash, just like I do everytime they have bills like this.
Nope, as usual you’re dead wrong.
On February 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pm, Socky said:
Indeed. Horribly. Nothing like the “crazy” that’s coming though. Did you know the fed needs to add more shifts to print money?
It was probably a good idea to hold on to that filibuster now that it is our only hope of stopping things like this stimulus.
Well that’s not entirely true, Snidely Whiplash of Arizona was a consistent defecate hawk. However they wasted a whole lot of money and did other stupid things to blow it. Now what? Empower the uber blower blow-its to teach the blow-its a lesson? Or keep at the blow-its so they don’t blow it? Or door number 3; stomp your feet while the country goes down the crapper.
Better just bend over and accept it, eh?
Why? Your problem is with the politicians themselves and the voters who put them in. See the whole republican from RI vs Republican from Utah diatribe above.)
Is your wrist broken and are you mute? Start with the stimulus bill. Maybe we can get a few of them not to blow it.
Socky – As you can see, nothing can get through to Bill Grant. Anyone still living under the delusion that McCain could have won this past election should be in a padded cell in a mental ward on 24 hour watch.
The proposal was only to remove the filibuster for judicial nominations… which is used exclusively by Democrats to block constructionist judges. The filibuster would have remained for legislation.
If you’re going to get raped anyway, does it really matter if your assailant is wearing blue socks or red socks?
But he was also a great supporter of government regulation, who attacked businessmen and closed off ANWR to exploration on a completely arbitrary basis just to appease the greens.
Good point. I don’t believe there were many who were overly jazzed with McCain…until Palin was selected.
McCain recognized he needed someone to shore up that side, which means he realized he himself wasn’t conservative enough to do so.
Yet even after he recognized it and selected Palin, it is now the conservatives fault that he ran such a sorry campaign and lost the election.
As it was, even with Palin on the ticket, I suspect there were still many who were so fed up with McCain, his media ass-kissing and his slamming the GOP they still refused to vote for the ticket.
McCain would have been spanked badly if it would have been say a McCain/Graham ticket or a McCain/Martinez or McCain/Crist ticket.
Too bad some people cannot see that.
He makes a decent Socratic foil, though.
I don’t think Bill G realizes that restraining government means more than being a “defecate” (sic) “hawk.” Nor does the RNC, for that matter.
On February 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pm, Joy said:
Well, your charm and persuasion are on the case so victory is assured. I can see it now:
Oh well.
He came within a couple of percentage points of winning. The idea that it was imposable is itself loony. It’s leftist troll rationalization for preemptive surrender.
It may have been with the selection fo Steele as chairman, although I think he may be less conservative than Dawson is.
Still, willing to give him a chance to see what he will do.
My concern about Steele is that while he is fairly good at articulating ideology, such as it is in the modern GOP, what the GOP needs is someone who understands the nuts and bolts of party building. The GOP at the state level is a shambles. Outreach is nonexistent, candidate recruiting is a shambles, fundraising and communications systems are a decade or more out of date. Those systemic problems are, IMHO, even more important than a guy who can sell whatever it is Republicans claim to believe these days.
On February 1st, 2009 at 6:51 pm, Socky said:
LOL, incorrect yet correct at the same time. Less money means Smaller government and that is the objective IMHO.
OK: It’s all McCain’s fault, that new guy Steele will fix everything, The cavalry is coming over the hill any second to save us and someone else is going to come along and do all the work so we wont have to counteract the left’s effort with effort of our own…No point in reading “Rules for Radicals” either… Sarah will save us from everything, including ourselves. If not: “WOLVERINES!”
Happy?
I know what you are saying Socky…it comes from years of neglect.
But someone has to sell the party in order to get people to volunteer, donate or run in elections.
With the way the RNC has acted over the past several years, it’s no wonder it is in the shape it is in.
Party building is nice, but it takes someone to sell why it needs to be built, money and effort, and without a good sale, the money and effort will always come up short.
RV – I’m not disagreeing with you, but I think there needs to be some bottom-up to go with the top down.
Steele should sit down with his lieutenants and figure out what the party believes. IMHO – these should be articulated in terms of solutions, not policy positions.
But I would also take the state level leaders and put them into, like, boot camp, to teach them how to speak, how to organize, how to reach out. These leaders would conduct state level boot camps where local leaders would receive the same training.
Then, these state and local leaders would hold regular public meetings inviting non-Republicans to hear the party’s solutions. They would also speak at college groups and challenge Democrats to debates.
In concert, the party should revamp its web and media organizations. Just for starters.
Watching superbowl halftime show. Disappointed. Lots of warbling and no tune. This guy is the leading singer in the USA??
Obama’s favorite talk radio host nailed it long before the election. The media loved the maverick as long as he was crapping on conservatives. They wanted him to be the nominee. Then they turned on him just as predicted. He was dead in the water until he picked Sarah Palin. This put a turd in the Dems post convention bounce and erased it and McCain/Palin were up by 4-5points. Then he stopped his campaign and rode into D.C. to champion a giant crap sandwich. His handlers bushwacked Palin and put her on a bunch of Liberal networks to interview. My friends–McCain is a loser. I heard he was going to vote against the current stimulus package and I said–SO WHAT!!! RINO’s are just people who ran as an R to get elected then voted with the crapweasels across the aisle. A moderate is one who needs a lot of medication for the sores they get from riding that fence. Moderates and RINO’s are the medias best friends–that should tell you what they are made of.
2004 was the highest voter turn-out of any election since 1968 until this one. And Bush only got 3 and half million votes more than Kerry.
b. hussein got 10,000,000 more votes than McCain. Only 4,100,000 registered Rs ‘stayed home.’ Less than a million people voted for Barr and Baldwin combined. You think there could have been a 100% turn-out for Republicans? And you’re calling me loony? And that wouldn’t even get him 1/2 way to the magic number.
You say McCain could have gotten that many Independents to swing for him? How? Present facts please instead of your usual factless bluster. And present FACTS on how MM somehow caused all those Independents to go to b. Hussein? Considering most of her readership is conservative/republican, explain how she got to all those millions of Independents.
And do explain why it isn’t McCain’s fault he lost? Just how much more could he have pandered to Independents and Dems? Do tell how McCain would have gotten all those Independents if MM had just sung McCain’s praises?
And ps Bill, you need remedial math courses… no, actually, you need a new brain. Please return your current one to Wal-Mart as they have a great return policy.
Tax Cheating- it’s the new black.
Does anyone read Bill Grant’s posts?
Why?
Ummmmmm…. not usually, but I was bored today. And I am sick of a certain group of people ragging on MM and conservatives, blaming us for McShame’s loss. I thought even Bill Grant could at least add and subtract and use elementary logic, but I was wrong.
LOL, even half in the bag:
A little over 55%. So James Felix’s excellent point that your math is flawed because it assumes there were no disgusted stay-homes when Bush ran stands. Your math only works if both elections were 100% turnout. You don’t have a variable for the other 45%.
9.4 million in the popular vote.
No, 4,100,000 MORE registered republicans stayed at home than the total from 2004. The total number of stay at home republicans wasn’t given. (LOL, if a train leaves Chicago on it’s way to Washington how many variables will it take before Joy runs out of fingers.)
So lets figure 5 million total for the sake of argument and to make the math compatible with Stolichnaya. Even by your flawed paradigm that brings McCain within 2 million if he picked off from Obama. So there weren’t 2 million independents out there? Something else you have ignored is that the race doesn’t go to whoever simply won the most votes in the popular vote. It goes to the Electoral College. Remember Bush/Gore 2000? So once again, your paradigm is skewed as well as irrelevant to the point that I was making. Indeed you have been told this 3 times now.
Here:
1) It was not “impossible” for John McCain to have won, he came close. When you write: “FACT: McCain wouldn’t have won” you are full of it.
2) Even if he did fall short, you and yours didn’t know he would during the campaign, which means that your constant rooting for him to fail did have the stated effect of helping Obama. (Part of the solution or part of the problem.) Which was part of the stated “strategy” of going through carter to get to Reagan… That little bit of genius was thought up by a democrat PR firm to dupe idiots like yourself into helping Obama win because, obviously, as you were told repeatedly: YOU DO NOT GAIN INFLUENCE BY LOSING ELECTIONS. The present situation is pretty much conformation of that. TOLD YOU SO.
3) As I stated before (and as you refused to see like your lovely pen story which had the happy ending of you shutting your ninny-hole) “This wasn’t about McCain. This was about the fact that the left can count on a cohesive organized and well funded apparatus that is geared to acquiring, maintaining and expanding it’s political power and the “right” it would appear can count on a mentally masturbatory cadre of blow-hards who do absolutely nothing other than point the finger at each other and shout “RINO”.”
Remember that? No? Posted it a few times now Joy. Way to prove me wrong.
“Conservatives” have either chosen or have had foisted on them to have to battle serious attempts at permanently diluting American sovereignty, expanding the government and entrenching dependency and with folks like you supposedly on “my side” it means that not only do genuine conservatives have to take on the Obamatards and the moveon’s and the kossacks but also our own spoiled crybabies who want everything done for them and complain that it is never perfect. I am running out of ways to phrase the same thing Joy. Getting it yet?