Judd Gregg and Team Obama: A perfect fit
Well, it looks increasingly likely that GOP Sen. Judd Gregg will be named the new Commerce Secretary nominee following the Bill Richardson fiasco. (Update: Gregg accepts.)
Gregg championed the Crap Sandwich and regurgitated every Chicken Little talking point and fiscal myth to sell it:
Gregg then crusaded to release the second half of the Crap Sandwich despite the Treasury Department’s obstinate lack of disclosure and miserable bungling of its ever-evolving objective.
And he calls himself a “fiscal conservative?”
What we have here is a perfect fit.
I say again: God save us from bipartisanship.
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Phillip Klein at the American Spectator wonders “What is Gregg thinking?” and shares some valuable notes from a conversation he had with Sen. Gregg last year:
One thing that was interesting was that as of last July, when I asked Gregg about his experiences working with Obama in the Senate, he said he saw very little of Obama:
He used to see him in the gym in the morning, and said Obama was in “great shape.” But he didn’t see him on the floor much, because Obama started running for president so soon into his freshman Senate term.
“I don’t know who he is or what he stands for better than anybody else,” Gregg said. “He’s a blank page.”
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I guess Sen. Gregg must enjoy scrutinizing “blank pages”, like the TARP objective(?) and “stimulus” goal(?)…
Isn’t this the RINO who said he wouldn’t join the Obama team unless his governor would guarantee that his seat is replaced with another RINO? So much for sticking to principles. Well, after all, he’s a RINO.
Fixed that.
Gregg was nominated to the Obama cabinet? I didn’t realize he was guilty of anything.
O is trying to gerrymander the Senate. And this putz is buying whatever O is selling. I heard someone saying that it would be good for Gregg because it would assure him of a job since, in this person’s opinion, Gregg would lose his next election. How long do you think Gregg will stay at his job once O gets the Senate?
I will bet anyone a beer that if he accepts the nomination his seat goes to a Democrat or Independent, no matter what promises are being made now.
I guess Gregg got tired on not being invited to cocktail parties in Washington DC…
Vichy Republican indeed.
This says it all…
Let’s see… Since Obama was elected our gas prices have gone up. This must make the Goracle and the radicalgreens happy,
It was amazing how gas went down when Sarah announced, “Drill, baby, drill” but now that the greenies are in power, the oil cartel is safe again and can raise prices willy-nilly.
I’m also curious about how the Dems can suggest putting the “buy American” stuff into the stimulus package, while putting us in a jam about buying oil from other countries.
Am I the only one picking up these mixed signals.
Yikes!
*Gregg was dumb on the original sin bailout, so I guess this means he hasn’t got over it yet; And does he really think his governor will pick a Republican replacement?
Good riddance to bad rubbish. We can’t have a Republican Party with RINO’s in it.
Well there goes the Senate! Not that I had a lot of faith in the BOREs (rolls off the tongue almost as easily as RINO does) to hold the line on anything. I hope the creator of the new term for our turn coat non-conservative Republicans does not mind the use of the term. The one thing BOREs and RINOs have in common is they both to become endangered if not extinct species in the halls of government.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!
Just you and me and about 1.3 billion Chinese.
Does anybody know what the salary/benefit package is for a cabinet member ? What the retirement package ?
The Republicans are not losing the fight; they’re not fighting at all, they simply give up. Newman is a weak RINO and I wouldn’t be surprised if she caucused with the Democrats. Can it get any worse in that Party?
Well, I think I’m going to retire for the night.
Unlike the GOP, I’ll be back to fight the good fight tomorrow. These guys make me ill.
According to CNN, via NRO Corner, he has accepted the position.
Seante REpublicans are a joke.
Please check the price of oil before you make statements like that.
Gas is going up not because of any current political thing but rather because of basic economic principles – supply and demand. There is a threat of a strike so perceived supply is lessened. Further – the refiners are soon going to HAVE to change over to summer blends (driven by envirowackos) so supply will be cut back further.
I hope he switches parties while he’s at it.
Me too, I flew out to Denver early this morning after a late night in Western PA celebrating the Steeler win. I’m whooped.
Did anyone check his tax returns?
Since there seems to be a serial situation here…just askin’
I guess this is the only way Obama could find at least one cabinet-level appointment that has paid all this taxes.
Once again, the effort to impose socialism on us is a bipartisan effort. If the GOP was really concerned about the “Senate Firewall” they would be promising this clown everything in the world to get him to stay in the Senate.
Time to practice your socialist greetings. Can you say “Гражданин?” How about “Товарищ?” How about “Main Administration of Camps” which is better known as “ГУЛАГ?” It is really pretty easy after 5 to 15 years of re-education through labor.
Gregg is making a career move. He has no chance next time he runs for Senate. Sad to say, my state has gone down the toilet. The old man saw it coming and committed suicide.
My back is turned on “Republicans”
Below the waist and I don’t mean his wallet.
Two words: Super Majority
Gregg leaves his seat. Obama is praised for his “bipartisanship. The Democrat Governor Lynch keeps his word and replaces him with a Republican. Of course either a Republican so weak they could never be re-elected or a RINO that is so far left she can see California from her NH home.
Bottom line we lose another Senate seat.
Has the water in DC been tested lately?
Gee, looks like we are getting rid of the RINO’s, eh?
Now we have an entirely democrat controlled government. Mission accomplished!
Can’t wait until Norm Coleman is replaced by Al Frankin… Coleman was a RINO. Orran Hatch has been called a RINO here, he needs to go.
Is there anyone in the Republican party that isn’t a RINO to Michelle Malkin and the Malkontents? Seriously, who is gong to be left?
Idiots.
“Time to get mine while I can”. Lots and lots of lucrative contacts will be made, consulting and speaking fees.
Bill Grant: you are an idiot but have a nice day.
One less RINO.
ArizonaNeanderthal said:
Which republican is not a RINO you smart fellow with the appropriate user name?
Bill,
You are right! It is all MM’s fault that the GOP has betrayed everything they once stood for and literally plowed the way for Obama to finish the socialist plan Bush started.
Oh, wait, some of this has to be Rush Limbaugh’s fault too.
Obviously, none of the fault rests with those poor, easily duped GOP Senators that have been in office longer than Moses.
We didn’t leave the GOP. The GOP left US!
On February 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm, WarEagle82 said something to lay the groundwork for the truther party who can caucus in a tree house:
Hey “WarEagle82″, Which Republican ISN’T a RINO?
Bill,
I have asked these guys in all sincerity:
If most of the Republicans are RINOs, doesn’t that make them the actual Republicans and the those who claim to be “actual” Republicans the new RINOs?
The short answer is any registered Republican that for the most part pays only lip service to the platform of the Republican Party.
When someone says, ‘I am a Republican,” my expectation is that they, for the most part support, the platform of the Republican Party. If they only pay hypocritical lip service to it, do not stand by those principles, they’re hypocrites.
That does not mean you have to be a rigid, mindless robot. There will always be differences. I know some pro-choice Republicans that support the platform with that exception. Does that position make them a RINO? Not in my view.
On February 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm, chapoutier said:
You are going to break their minds that way.
I believe in adhering to principles and I am disappointed when they don’t but purging everyone from government means, obviously, that the people who are not even making lip service to conservative principles are going to have carte blanche to do whatever they want. Instead of electing the best we can and holding them accountable the brilliant idea is to disparage everyone who isn’t perfect as a RINO and celebrate the fact that they are defeated or coopted.
People here are happy about power given over to the hard left. The Pelosis and the Reids can now MOW OVER conservatives at will. Even a centrist needs to be worried because there are no more checks and balances without a filibusterer. The inmates are running the asylum and the idiot mutual admiration society is actually pleased.
Are you kidding me?
This is great, super smart, conservative, Judd Gregg?
Not impressed, wonder why conservative principles are in such short supply.
On February 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 pm, Flyoverman said:
Thanks but I would line to know which Republican in government now isn’t a RINO?
A follow-up. Rush is right when he says when Republicans run for office like Republicans they win, when they try to be Democrats they lose.
We are where we are not because of our principles but the abandonment of them by the Party Leadership. Best Example? John McCain was our nominee. Who drew bigger election crowds; John McCain or Sarah Palin?
Anyone have a name for me… which Republican in government now isn’t a RINO?
Anyone?
Or should I just wait to see who the democrats are using as a fricken speedbump.
Plenty of them. I look at the list of the 21 Senators who voted against Holder and think they are not. I know people here at times dislike John Bohner. Personally I thjink he’s great. I do not think Michael Steele is a RINO and he’s pro-choice. Governors Jindahl and Palin, Rick Santorum, Newt, obviously. A whole bunch of House members.
Here’s an example that infuriates us. In my state we had a young unknown conservative who ran a great primary race, and defeated two of the Party elite’s favorites. Later he dominated the incumbent Democrat in a debate. David kicked Goliath all over the place. The state RC and RNC would neither endorse him or give him any financial support. HE WAS OUR CHOICE, but not the elites. He had no money and lost.
Those people who did not back our candidate were RINO’s because our candidate beieved in the platform.
With Gregg, it is all about his personal political career. He knows he might have big time trouble in the next election 2 yr’s from now, so in order to keep the pay-checks rolling in and his insider status intact, voila!; “I’m a Bend Over Republican”!
Time to clean house of these back-stabbing phonies including, McCain, McConnell, Specter, Hatch, Brownback, Inhofe et. al., and get some fresh blood in there. We are actually getting screwed by our own party’s leadership.
I am not the donkey party’s b**ch and will certainly not be the GOP’S either.
The proverbial “egg on my face”, I did not intend to include Brownback, Inhofe since the verdict is not in and they have mostly been dependable conservatives. The others–get ‘em outta here! Pronto!
On February 2nd, 2009 at 11:10 pm, Flyoverman said:
Thank you Flyoverman, I do appreciate it but the names you have listed are ideologically imperfect records and are therefore RINO’s.
Well, he was pilloried here for the first stimulus. (Make room for [him] on the couch with Gingrich and Pelosi.) He has been described here as “Another nutless RINO wonder”… so that can’t be our guy.
Well Joy et al might have a thing or two to say about that. I wasn’t aware he was pro-choice. That ought to bring them out. He is soft on guns:
“Michael Steele is about as conservative as John McCain. Probably even less so.” “Sorry RNC, if your position on guns is the same as Michael Steele’s then count me out.”
Nope, he has been labeled a RINO.
Jindel and Newt have both been called RINO’s here, Haven’t seen Sarah called anything but a victim of various things, indeed just about everything. Lets set her aside. Rick Santorum got voted out, but that’s OK, because he was a you know what…
You see a pattern? Oh by the way Flyoverman, It is my sad duity to inform yu that since you cited ideologically impure candidates as non-RINO’s that you are now officially a RINO. Don’t worry, I have been called a RINO as well. Indeed, just about EVERY REPUBLICAN who is mentioned here gets the label.
Bill,
I hate to tell you, but I can never be a RINO, as I am a registered independent.
Seriously I am.
A RINO, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Consensus on this site is as likely as on Daily Kos. Yes, there are some hard core (stock up on guns and ammo) types out here.
What you are seeing here in MM Land is a problem I tried to solve as a manager. I told my people to please come to me with your problems and complaints, BUT don’t come and complain without either a solution or your admission you do not know yet what the solution is.
Lots of articulation about the problems and compalints, but solutions are at a premium here. I understand the desire to get rid of the McCains and Grahams, but they are not people I can vote out. So what’s the plan to replace them with people more to our liking? BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY what is our message to people like you Bill, that conservatives are the maonstream and have serious solutions to serious problems.
I would rather use my energy countering the policies of The Left with OUR MESSAGE OF CHANGE than bickering on how many RINO’s can dance on the head of a pin.
Bill,
Just remember the Monty Python and the Holy Grail logic. If you weigh as much as a duck you are a witch. And since you would be made out of wood they could build a bridge out of you
Got to turn in. Early meeting. Have a good evening. See you out here agian.
Bill, it’s as if you’re asking folks to vote just based on the letter after their names. Sorry, but if the majority of Senate Republicans are light blue compared to Democrats’ dark blue, you explain to me the real difference in choosing the two. It’s a quick death over a not-so-quick death. You’re crying over the RINO term, but it’s those Republicans you defend who are so willing to trot across the aisle for a bipartisan screw-the-electorate bill while giving the finger to the folks on the home bench. Meanwhile, the Democrats just chuckle, because, as everyone knows, bipartisanship means going along with the liberal agenda and disavowing any vestiges of conservatism.
So, if you’re advocating that the way for the Republicans to win is to go left, then fine, let ‘em do it. Let ‘em outflank Obama and promise utter hope and change and in the end look just like the party in power. What the hell is the damn difference, then?
Mind you, I voted for McCain, so spare your diatribes on staying at home against me.
Also, I think I have a better definition of RINO – any Republican that caves in to liberal public pressure and votes with the Democratic position to present a face of fairness and equality etc.
I think this definition eliminates Republicans who hold genuine views and highlights the squeamish and squishy nature of the beast known as RINO.
Alternate definition – any Senator whose actions as a whole you’d be ticked at if the (R) was a (D). Note the use of the phrase “as a whole,” as you can be disappointed with a Senator on one vote, but it takes a multitude of bad decisions to be a RINO.
It’s funny but Bill can’t seem to name a lot of real conservatives in the Senate. But, he wants us to name people who aren’t RINOs.
The one thing I know is the GOP Senators in this town the longest have sold out the most. Some have now forgotten they aren’t Democrats.
The GOP who have waffled and sold out the least, IMHO, would include:
Sessions, Inhofe, Coburn and DeMint.
Then you have the second tier like:
Brownback, and maybe Kyle and Ensign.
Everyone else has developed a serious case of “Senatoritis” and their egos appear to be swelling as quickly as the national debt.
Even the NTU only rates 10 GOP Senators with a score of 80 or higher during the last session.
Term limits are the only answer. Ironically, the GOP seems to be intent on term-limiting itself over the last 4 years. It takes a lot of effort to beat an incumbent but the GOP seems to be ready to do it to the vast majority of its own membership!
At least when I caucus I know I am with actual conservatives who won’t sell their soul to get invited to a Democrat cocktail party. You may have a big party, Bill, but it is full of people who would sell you out in a New York minute! But at least you won’t be lonely.
didn’t someone just get impeached over wheeling and dealing over “choosing” a senate replacement.
I agree and bet it’ll go to a Dem no matter what is “promised”
Finally, we agree on something, MM.
The dems should remove all of the “sweeteners” they added to the stimulus package in a failed attempt to generate support from the other side of the aisle.
If repubs want to play partisan politics during this economic crisis (not one single vote for the bill in the house?!?), Obama should forget bipartisanship and just do what he and his economic team – along with congress – thinks would work to get us out of this mess.
The bill is probably going to pass with or without minority support…so screw the minority.
You guys should be familiar with that strategy…it’s a blueprint of the one Bush used for the past eight years.
And yes, I’ll be happy “own it” if the dems have the sack to pull that off. Doubt they do, tho…
Thanks Flyoverman, Damn, that was so…lucid. You must be a RINO.
I believe that complaining is the end unto itself here. Solutions are greeted with hostility or indifference.
It’s a fair cop…
On February 3rd, 2009 at 12:45 am, WarEagle82 said:
Must be nice to have no record to be held accountable on. Do you think it’s a coincidence that Chuck Baldwin hasn’t done anything AND he hasn’t “sold out”.
I am sure they have been pilloried here as well but let’s go with that. Let’s say we whittle away all the RINO’s until we hit the sweet, sweet tootsie roll pop center of Sessions, Inhofe, Coburn and DeMint. (Any day now, probably.) What are these uber-cons going to be able to do against 96 senators, (like Al Frankin) and 435 representatives(Like Pelosi)and Obama? They might as well stay home.
How can it not be clear that you are rooting for the far left to have complete control over the government?
No one wants their soul because no one wants to hear them blather about star trek reruns or how fire doesn’t melt steel at their cocktail parties.
Do I strike you as someone who just goes along with the crowd?
On February 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 am, Wellsy said:
The choice is between a fair amount of work and effort to keep them somewhat on track versus no way of being able to hold them accountable at all. That’s it. That’s the best you are going to get. The 20% fight versus the 100% fight.
Door #3 is tossing your hands up and opting for the “quick death”. Sorry, I love this country and don’t want it to die.
That is crap, Bill and you know it. Your sarcasm is out of bounds on this one.
To be honest, yes. You sound like a mindnumbed Obamabot.
When you’re a politician out for yourself, and not for the country, you join the “gravy train”. Being a republican means nothing. “I see power and profit” is their slogan.
OT:
no idea how many folks use AOL as their ISP or use from other ISP:
AOL has been obambified they have redone their chatrooms to reflect an obambiworld more black rooms more gay rooms arabic rooms etc.
first blush of fairness doctrine? yes that sounds melodramtic but if you had known AOL prior to this obambi version you would understand.
sell TWX short…………….
Bill Grant:
A person with an R after their name that votes with the D’s every time achieves exactly zero toward the goals of conservatism. We know YOUR goal is R’s – most of the people here have the goal of conservatism. R’s who don’t advance our cause are equally our enemy (or possibly worse) as those on the other side of the aisle. We view the chasm as lib/socialist/communist (and others) across from conservative/capitalist/”constitutionist” (and others).
It appears the lib’s ALREADY have a super majority – regardless of the D or R after their name.
tettes: Please explain to me why doing exactly the same things that turned a small recession into the great depression will achieve different results this time.
Please show me in history anywhere that a march toward socialistic anything has resulted in an economic powerhouse.
Please show me anywhere in history where a wanton disregard for ABSOLUTE standards has achieved great societies.
Cornyn voted RINO-ish on a couple of cabinet picks, but is not a RINO in my opinion. My other Senator, she is a country club conservative, weak on borders and abortion, and running for governor against the less than perfect, but better than she is, Rick Perry.
Coburn, Kyl, DeMint, all seem like reasonably good senators.
I’d say we’re down to about six hardcore RINOs now, about six who are solid, and the rest, like Cornyn, usually good but occasionally squishy.
You come across as someone who puts party ahead of any consideration of policy or ideology. Most of us aren’t like that. We only support the Republican party to the extent that it advances things we believe in, and we criticize it when it does not.
You come across as the kid in the back of the classroom who enjoys shooting spit balls. You have nothing to contribute to the class so you only disrupt for attention.
Just a reminder folks. Some of us truly believe this way. It only takes a few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrrBs8JBQo&feature=related
Is Gregg a member of the Drive-bys?
I get your point, and it’s terribly depressing. Still, we’re not that far away from those kind of numbers when we currently have a bulk of the Repubs acting, amending and voting like Demonrats – just to “walk across the isle…to get things done for America” (as in the words of McCain who showed us all what the voters wanted, and how to win elections!).
So what’s the litmus test? Foreign policy, perhaps?
A deal with the Democrats? Hold on to your wallets because anytime the Democrat’s deal, the Republicans get snookered. You’d think they’d learn, you can’t deal with dishonorable people whose word means nothing.
A Republican Senator chosen as Commerce Secretary? Republicans from the Northeast are the biggest herd of RINOs in the country. If ever there was a species that should become extinct, it’s this group.
Don’t do it Judd. “To Serve Commerce Secretary” is a COOKBOOK!
You call it hardcore, I call it common sense.
Bill, how about Heath Shuler. I promise never to call him a RINO.
At one time, self-sufficiency, rugged individualism, and faith in God were considered great American virtues. Now, they’re considered extremist positions. Terribly sad.
Many of us consider guns as and extra insurance policy. We keep extra food and supplies for regional emergencies. These precautions are not that of an paranoid extremist, but of people who consider it prudent. FamilyWoman and I believe it to be rude not to be self-sufficient.
Ditto that!
They also make a great tool for ridding the yard of those nasty hole-making critters, such as the armadillo.
Up here its deer and moose.
Gotcha. In Ark. it’s those who have crossed the Texas border, migrating north (wink, wink).
RE: Northeast RINOs
Sadly, in the Northeast, no real conservative Republican can get elected, and having someone that votes the right way 50% of the time but caucuses with the GOP (such that they can be the majority party, appoint the committee chairs, set the agenda) is better than a Demonrat holding the seat. The one exception, Lincoln Chafee, who was such a RINO, was so obviously a Democrat, well, a Demonrat holding his seat isn’t much worse.
Santorum wasn’t too bad, he got defeated by the pretend to be pro-Life but vote for Brown and Black Baby Abortions Bob Casey, Jr.
There are some Congressional districts in rural areas where a real Republican can win in the Northeast, but for statewide office, with the big cities full of limousine liberals and welfare recipients, it is difficult. California is approaching that. The very RINO Scharzenegger is probably as conservative a statewide politician that can get elected. California is full of good people in districts near San Diego and in some of the vallies, but again, the moonbat cities drown them out.
So, realistically, we sort of need RINOs when we have small majorities, but there is no excuse for RINOs from what should be reasonably conservative states like South Carolina, Arizona, Idaho or Utah. No excuse for that at all.
I’m a little slow this morning.
Bill Grant, you strike me as a troll.
What do you propose as an acceptable solution? You never say that, do you troll boy?
I do believe in choosing the lesser of two evils, and held my nose and voted for the RINO.
Because Obama was just that bad.
And if we don’t fix the open primaries, the Dems and Independents will pick another RINO for us in 2012. That should be Chairman Steele’s first job.
Only have a minute:
On February 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 am, love2rumba said:
It wasn’t sarcasm rumba; Look at this thread. We are in the process of losing the filibuster and people, from the hostess on down are pleased to see another “RINO” go. When peoples options for action diminish usually they aren’t happy about it.
On February 3rd, 2009 at 7:36 am, conservativesRus said:
So are the democrats going to take care of that for you? Obama Reid and Pelosi have almost unchecked power. Harry Reid is quite literally a traitor to the USA, he has gotten Americans killed for nothing more than his own political gain. He now has complete control of the senate and folks here seem to think that is OK because we are getting closer to our conservative Utopia somehow.
The business plan looks like: Disaster + Disarray + Infighting = Conservative Utopia. If I am missing something please let me know.
On February 3rd, 2009 at 7:45 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
Once we weed out the “squishy” then what? Do we clone the non Rino’s?
On February 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 am, Socky said:
I see one as essential to the other. Perhaps you can tell me how a conservative agenda can be advanced under a Reid, Pelosi Obama trifectorate
with only a few powerless nonrinos to oppose them?
On February 3rd, 2009 at 8:13 am, FamilyMan said:
What are we learning in this classroom?
That’s great family man. The thing is; we are not fighting. We are rationalizing rolling over as a “principled” stand.
Apparently some woman who was Gregg’s Chief of Staff and a “Republican” will be appointed thereby keeping the Dem’s promise. We’ll see. It’d be nice to imagine her as a true conservative, but I get the feeling that she’s just another Snowe clone
On February 3rd, 2009 at 10:35 am, Ordinary Coloradan said:
To start we should be pestering the hell out of the senate to stop this stimulus bill. I have posted that all over this site you stupid #@&%. We may not actually stop it but it will get people introduced to getting involved.
On February 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
He is. He really is.
The squishy might grow a spine if they see some RINOs defeated. I know as well as anyone no rock-ribbed Republican will ever be elected from Maine or Massachusetts, and a RINO is the best we can get, but there is no excuse for South Carolina or Arizona to have RINOs.
If McCain runs again, I will find out if he has a primary challenger and send money. Ditto Specter. Graham has a fresh six years, but I won’t forget.
On February 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
Is that the message the “squishy” are getting? Or is the message to be more like the democrats who are defeating them?
That’s the time for this, in the primaries.
Flyoverman,
That guy you mentioned in post #41 – Who was he?
Prolly the only one Oblahblah could find who paid his taxes.