That basically sums up my feelings on Christianity. If Christians actually behaved as Jesus apparently did, I think I would like Christians a lot more.

Which is always codespeak for some liberal, wishy-washy, hippy, pacifist vision of Christ.

Which He wasn’t.

You also forget that Christ was true man AND true God…and wholly without sin. Honest Christians, myself included, realize we are flawed and sinful.

I’ll cut you a deal: we’ll act like Christ when you truly understand who Christ was and what He really stood for. And here’s a hint: He didn’t stand for doing whatever made you “feel good”; He demanded a lot of personal responsibility and self-control from His followers. Notions our culture regularly shuns.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

That basically sums up my feelings on Christianity. If Christians actually behaved as Jesus apparently did, I think I would like Christians a lot more.

You mean the Jesus that
1. taught marriage was between one man & one woman,
2.the Jesus that spoke more about Hell than anyone else in the Bible,
3.the Jesus that affirmed the books of Moses (including Leviticus & Deuteronomy) as being the very Word of God,
that Jesus?

That basically sums up my feelings on Christianity. If Christians actually behaved as Jesus apparently did, I think I would like Christians a lot more.

I just dislike how the statistic that shows Christians as more charitable is unfairly used against atheists in the US.

Just how we Christians dislike the smears, lies, and falsehoods unfairly used against us. You yourself said religions have “no redeeming qualities.” But, ironically, you go on to lament the fact that those of us who share a common belief worship in community and unite behind charitable causes while claiming atheists have no such recourse.

Again, that’s not our fault. You choose to adhere to a belief system that shuns the notion of community as religious people see it. That’s your choice. Don’t lament the fact we stand united in groups based on a shared religious perspective. As other atheists here have pointed out, they are capable of finding charities to donate to and don’t begrudge the communal nature of religious groups.

The statistic was not made up – it’s a fair statistic based on actual research. We can’t change that. And as someone else pointed out, you got down this whole “other nations are irreligious and far more charitable than the US”. Something several of us debunked right away because your statement was categorically false.

Last I checked, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are liberals and they’ve donated billions to charity. Imagine that?

Yes, two people who happened to make their riches by working and living in a free market society. They are free to spend what they’ve earned as they please; goodness knows they have more money than all of us here combined. I don’t begrudge Gates or Buffett the fact that they’re wealthy. That’s the American dream and no one has the right to take that wealth from them unless THEY choose to donate and give of their own free will.

However, their donations don’t disprove or negate the fact that people who have a lot less still give and in amazing amounts. And that conservatives and religious people still tend to give more than their liberal counterparts.

Instead, you have continued to bash people here for not understanding agreeing with your point rationalization.

FIFY.

Liberal playbook
Item 1: Ignore facts.
Item 2: Call conservatives stupid.
Item 3: Repeat Items 1 and 2.

On February 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm, Omu said:

The fact is that conservatives donate more.

Last I checked, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are liberals and they’ve donated billions to charity. Imagine that?

So what about the other 67 million people who voted for him?

Obama himself couldn’t even send a couple of bucks to his own brother living in poverty.

Here are my sources. ABC’s 20/20 and Philanthropy.com

Do you have any proof whatsoever about your assertions or are you just pulling all of this out of your wazoo?

On February 2nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm, Omu said:

I just dislike how the statistic that shows Christians as more charitable is unfairly used against atheists in the US.

Just curious- Do you realize that the tangent this took about this statistic was, in fact, started by you?

No one before your post #123 (that I could find) made a reference to Christians being more charitable. You responded to a comment by Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul that said that Republicans are more charitable.

So… all of this venting on the subject of an atheists’ ability or inability to access community-controlled (or enabled) charities was really a tangent subject that you started and then railed against several commenters here for not understanding you.

On February 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 am, frostrt said:
On February 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 am, Omu said:
Better to take the high(er) road on this one Michelle!
When has Michelle Malkin ever taken the high road on anything?

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Again I ask: If you dislike her/anyone who agrees with her so much, why do you keep coming on here and posting spewing bovine excrement?

Fixed it

As for abortion, a personal opposition to abortion is perfectly reasonable (I do not share my wife’s conviction that abortion is morally reprehensibly however) but making that decision for other women is unfair. As such, both myself and my Catholic wife are very much pro-choice.

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More power to your friends who have adopted, especially the ones who are raising an autistic child. It’s because of people like them that there is another option for many women dealing with unwanted pregnancies.

Which brings me to my next point; my belief is that abortion should not necessarily be taken away as a legal option, but women with unwanted pregnancies should be counceled (not coerced, counceled) that adoption is a better option.

gay couples are not only just as deserving of marriage as straight couples they also have the same rights to marriage…i cannot marry a man, either.

Like I said, just go into suburban L.A. or San Francisco or Houston or any other major city where you’re sure to find some families headed by same sex couples and this irrational dislike for gay people will go away. Honestly, they’re just people like you and I and their love is the exact same. In my opinion, the fact that gay people have to make their case for equality is tragic.