Bill, the only thing they truly fear is not being re-elected.

You see any elections going on at the moment this side of Iraq?

“Primary challenges should be mounted,”

Sure. I would run but some misguided souls find me a tad bit obnoxious. Idiots.

“withholding votes from those who continually screw us… “

And replacing them with what? When we are on the other side of the primaries and our guy has lost because (hypothetically) we live in a sh!t head state, then what? “LOTE and work” or setting your hair on fire?

I sometimes wonder how he comes to the conclusions he does from the words I have posted.

The whole “meaning” of words thing.

Did not vote for Chuck Baldwin.

RINO!

“One treasonous party was plenty, we don’t need two. “

I guess this is the point of the program where you ignore the questions posed to you and revert back to bumper stickers.

“If that does not change, I will not support the dissolution of my country by supporting the GOP.”

No one is asking you to support the dissolution of the USA, indeed I am asking you to fight it every step of the way in the most efficient means possible. Unfortunately we are low on options. unless you can think of any more that make sense.

You see the problem is that we don’t submit to Bill’s superior intellect and worship at his feet.

Took you long enough to catch on.

Any opinion at odds with his facts and his opinion is unaccepatable to Bill.

Are there different “facts” for different people?

Notice how he always twists someone’s point and sets up a strawman argument and then engages in ad hominem attacks.

I don’t twist anyone’s points and calling you a ninny isn’t an “attack” it is doing you a favor. Like pointing out your shoes are untied or that your zipper is down. Perhaps you weren’t aware that truthers are mentally unstable and shouldn’t be handed the keys to nuclear weapons. Now you do. No need to say thanks.

One treasonous party was plenty, we don’t need two. If the GOP won’t represent the citizens, they need to go the way of the Whigs. I have no hope that the Democrats will ever do the right thing for America. I had hoped that the GOP would. There are some good ones left in the party, however, the party hierarchy is determined that we will not stop the cheap labor express. If that does not change, I will not support the dissolution of my country by supporting the GOP.

What I have been advocating is that we elect people who WILL enforce the laws and secure the border.

Me too. So what do we do when confronted with the viable choice is between a bonehead who can be scared into submission or an elitist, sanctimonious, grievance collecting, allynskyite, crooked, racist, pathologically lying, hard core socialist creep who thinks that you is sure that you are a racist for voicing any objection to his agenda of “redistributive justice” based on skin pigment or reproductive organs?

The Dems want cheap votes, the Reps want cheap labor, no one is representing the citizens.

We have to make them. It is as simple as that. If phone calls or emails don’t work we need to pile into the cars and go there to demand that they listen.

“If we wish to keep our representative Republic, and our rule of law, we must elect a President who WILL secure the borders and enforce the laws.”

The verb there is “elect”. Here is your choice: persuade people that this is the only issue that counts or at least the Schwerpunkt of the issues that we face. (heh, did it!) Good luck with that because we are in a 2 front war, LSmith lost $100,000 dollars on his/her house, my IRA has past the point of floating belly up and now sunk to the bottom, Our manufacturing base has been shipped to goddamn stinking communist China where they are going to use it to toss us out of the Pacific Region… On and on and on….

…You can persuade them that illegals are the only issue that we face and that we should elect someone who is going to act solely on that issue or go for the best that we can get elected and work to hold them accountable.

“Both parties have been complicit in this.”

Yes. So have the citizenry, people turn a blind eye or hire them to save a nickel or 2. There would be no supply if there weren’t a demand. Many are taken advantage of and treated like crap. The savings on the cheap labor is more than offset but that is someone else’s immediate problem. That is the mindset you are working against, immediate gratification. (Lots of that going around. )

If we act like sheep and don’t stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

I think you know where I stand and what I advocate. What is your better alternative? What do we do now to reverse this thing? What are your action steps?
The only thing I have seen from you is that the GOP sucks and it is sucky and it sucks a whole lot and the people in it suck and everything sucks except for Chuck Baldwin who doesn’t suck.

Set aside whether or not you agree with me for a moment and examine the situation; Should Chuck Baldwin ever be elected president.

Electing McCain would not have stopped amnesty,

So the solution was to elect Obama.

it arguably may have made it more likely to pass.

I outlined for you a bunch of strategies that we could have used on a McCain presidency to stop an Amnesty. Real concrete things that we could have done. What is your plan for Obama?

“It must be stopped and I will continue to fight ANYONE advocating national suicide(amnesty).”

All I have seen you do is trash the GOP. Is everyone in the GOP pro-amnesty? Is everyone in the democrats anti-amnesty?

You see the problem is that we don’t submit to Bill’s superior intellect and worship at his feet. We think for ourselves and he just can’t seem to stand that.

Any opinion at odds with his facts and his opinion is unaccepatable to Bill. Bill is always right in Bill’s mind. It is his way or the highway.

Notice how he always twists someone’s point and sets up a strawman argument and then engages in ad hominem attacks. Holy Cow! Bill is a Democrat! I wonder if he is secretly Michelle Obama?

Posted this before the primaries:

We the People of the United States of America have the right to have our borders and our laws respected and enforced.
If we wish to keep our representative Republic, and our rule of law, we must elect a President who WILL secure the borders and enforce the laws. The actions of the next President will determine the fate of this great nation. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can’t be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don’t stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

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Electing McCain would not have stopped amnesty, it arguably may have made it more likely to pass. It must be stopped and I will continue to fight ANYONE advocating national suicide(amnesty). If we lose that one, the rest does not matter, won’t be our country anymore.

I have in no way ADVOCATED national suicide. I’m simply pointing out that IS what we are doing

Sorry, the words you chose made it sound like you would rather get it over with quickly than fight it every step of the way.

A nation that will not enforce its own laws and control it own borders will cease to be a nation.

The solution that you have been endorsing here has effectively worsened the problem and made it harder to address.

On February 4th, 2009 at 9:54 am, WarEagle82 said:

I guess Bill is still working through some grief over the GOP selling out conservatives, America and their own souls.

…eating babies, raping nuns and stealing human organs and fire doesn’t melt steel….

“The problem is he is stuck between stage 1 (denial) and stage 2 (anger) and seems to lash out pretty quickly at anyone who has progressed beyond the earliest stages.”

Because you haven’t seen reality like I have: starting a whole new party with people who aren’t sure whether JFK was shot by Oswald or whether or not Dick Chaney was flying remote control airliners into the twin towers is much more efficient than working with the GOP.

Anyone who disagrees with him are “IDIOTS” and needs to “grow up.

Kuz Once the country is completely run into the ground by the democrats, Then we can get our drooling middle aged virgin troother moonbats to sweep in for a glorious “conservative” revolution involving pulling up all our foreign bases and conducting witch hunts for imagined villains in the Bush administration!

Yeah, Bill is going to rebuild the GOP that way. Hope you work through your grief, Bill.

Kuz we got plenty of time to sit back and bi3ch and whine and wait for the next “only man who can save America” to come in and make everything perfect again, just like it used to be… Why don’t you see reality Bill?

Anyone who disagrees with him are “IDIOTS” and needs to “grow up.” Yeah, Bill is going to rebuild the GOP that way. Hope you work through your grief, Bill. You will be a better person when you do.

In case you aren’t familiar with the stages of grief they are:

The Stages of Grief

Denial:
Example – “I feel fine.”; “This can’t be happening, not to me!”

Anger:
Example – “Why me? It’s not fair!” “How can this happen, I hate this world!”

Bargaining:
Example – “Just let me live to see my children graduate.”; “I’ll do anything, can’t you stretch it out? A few more years.” I will give my life savings if…”‘

Depression:
Example – “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”; “I’m going to die . . . What’s the point?”

Acceptance:
Example – “It’s going to be okay.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well prepare for it.”

On February 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 pm, Bill Grant said:
Bull, Divorse conservatives fromn the GOP and you are going to see both whither. Meanwhile the socialists are going to have free reign while IDIOTS like you wait for the latest “only man who can save America” to come in on a white horse and do exactly what you and you alone wish. Grow the hell up.