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1. #1
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, pressto said:

   Yes we need to move to this socialist medicine plan so we can have great health care like this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135582/Man-pulls-13-teeth-pliers-NHS-dentist.html?ITO=1490

2. #2
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

   Yes we can pay for health care for illegal aliens!

3. #3
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:07 pm, maine yankee said:

   I challenge every Reublican;

   QUIT SMOKING TODAY !!!!

4. #4
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:11 pm, tarpon said:

   So can we deny drivers licenses for every child under 30?

5. #5
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, eaglehaslanded said:

   This is awesome news. Now every child will get what every PERSON is ENTITLED to…medical care.

   We’ll get everyone covered in the next four years.

6. #6
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, usa_usa said:

   This is disgusting. Taxing smokers to line the pockets of unworthy parents .

   People dont have kids if you can not afford their health care bills.

7. #7
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, usa_usa said:

   Welcome to People’s republic of USA.

8. #8
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, jencab said:

   Four Cuban Americans voted for this bill (Martinez, Ros-Leithen, and Diaz-Balart brothers) and Cao who suffered under communism in Vietnam. WTF? They support socialism here?!

   I as a conservative American of Cuban heritage am beyond annoyed. They will receive scathing letters from me of their betrayal of democracy and Reaganism.

9. #9
   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:21 pm, Flyoverman said:

   On February 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, eaglehaslanded said:
   This is awesome news. Now every child will get what every PERSON is ENTITLED to…medical care.

   We’ll get everyone covered in the next four years.

   Directly contradicts the principle of Era of Responsibility. Intellectually dishonest.

10. #10
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I’ve broken down the list of Republicans who supported this universal health care Trojan Horse.

    Again, not a Republican in the bunch.

11. #11
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pm, Kevin K. said:

    No more taxable tobacco products for me. (But I won’t quit smoking legal tobacco.)

12. #12
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm, sonofdy said:

    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, eaglehaslanded said:
    This is awesome news. Now every child will get what every PERSON is ENTITLED to…medical care.

    We’ll get everyone covered in the next four years.

    Great. Are you going to be the liberal who finally tells us how this is going to be paid for?

13. #13
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:31 pm, sonofdy said:

    BTW under these rules, My daughter qualifies for schip.

14. #14
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pm, usa_usa said:

    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pm, Virginia Patriot said:
    Yes we can pay for health care for illegal aliens!

    And legal ones ! Dont forget the ones who come here on the variety of phony visas and “diversity” lotteries created by democrat socialists. “legal” ones are not much better than the illegal ones. they just had better lawyers.

15. #15
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, pgtips said:

    This is awesome news. Now every child will get what every PERSON is ENTITLED to…medical care.

    We’ll get everyone covered in the next four years.

    Here in the UK, we pay through the nose for the NHS which provides below par health service. Ask any Brit and they’ll tell you horror stories about how long they had to wait for treatment, how poor the quality of service was and how big a waste of national resources. Many companies (including the one I work for) tout _private_ health care as one of their benefits. If state funded health care was so good, why do we need private health care at all? Keep in mind that we’ve had state funded health care here in the UK for almost 60 years now and the system still sucks. Nobody who has any choice wants to rely on the NHS alone.

    I’m curious. In addition to free health care, what do you think that people are _entitled_ to? State funded health care has failed all over the world. It’s moronic to think that it would somehow magically succeed in the US of A. Socialism only appeals to liars and fools: The liars pedal the goods, the fools consume them.

16. #16
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm, jjmurphy said:

    I posted this on another thread, but it may be more appropriate here:

    Tipping points are “the levels at which the momentum for change becomes unstoppable.”

    Malcolm Gladwell’s book, “Tipping Point”, comes to mind with each power grab by the federal government. At what point do we reach it, or have we already passed it?

17. #17
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:39 pm, DBNinKY said:

    We’ll get everyone covered in the next four years.

    Will anyone know the difference? The coverage will be so nominal and the quality of care so reduced and minimal, will anyone benefit? Certainly not the high caliber students that medical schools seek; those folks will get careers in other fields, or practice medicine elsewhere.

18. #18
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, Marie said:

    How big a fight will there be when “Private Medical Care” pops up. In other words, you don’t get to see the doctor, let alone get in a hospital, without a 750 or better FICO score?

19. #19
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm, usa_usa said:

    We need to make these republican collaborators pay big time.

20. #20
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, pgtips said:

    Thank you, PGTips, for your post! Your credibility makes it an essential read.

21. #21
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm, cicerokid said:

    This is a drug bill. This will put millions of children on prescription drugs that they don’t need and will turn the 50% of our country into zombies.

    czombies?

    ozambies?

22. #22
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm, sonofdy said:

    eaglehaslanded: Who many in the private insurance industry will lose their jobs??

    500,000??? 1 million, do you care????

23. #23
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pm, cicerokid said:

    Could be 500 million according to Pelosi, sonofdy

24. #24
    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pm, sonofdy said:

    cicerokid:

    har har har, sonofdy works in medical software.

25. #25
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    President Bush wouldn’t sign SCHIP because it covered too many older (over 18) people, ILLEGAL ALIENS (not “undocumented immigrants”), and due to it’s coverage of well off families–with $100,000 a year income or more.
    ***
    The American Taxpayers (aka VICTIMS) will soon see the higher costs to pay for this. Don’t think that only smokers will pay for this–all will end up paying for it as SCHIP displaces private insurance.
    ***
    Socialist / Marxist President Obama states that this is only a “first step”–he will come for the rest of our money soon. Welcome to the NEW U.S.S.A!
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

26. #26
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pm, sonofdy said:

    just a fun photo

27. #27
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    amid great “progressive” fanfare

    With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.

28. #28
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm, graysonret said:

    All you smokers, keep smoking. It’s the patriotic thing to do (per Biden’s philosophy), now that you support S-Chip. With all the taxes on tobacco, state, local and national, and more probably coming, the government should stop telling people to quit and start promoting “Joe Camel” and the Marlboro man. Obama should do all of his appearances with a cigarette dangling from his mouth. Perhaps, we could have a “National Smokers Day”. Just think of the extra money raised…for the children, of course.

29. #29
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    I won’t pay!

30. #30
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm, sonofdy said:

    I won’t pay!

    Want to bet?

31. #31
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pm, jjmurphy said:

    As the number of smokers dwindles they will need to look elsewhere for income. Who’s next? Alcohol? French Fries? Mayo? It is just a matter of time.

32. #32
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, tre said:

    So, will “Duh One” put another tax evader, or someone who bankrupted an organization like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae in charge of it?

    Everyone, repeat after me: “Oh Lord, we lift up the USA to You. Please help our country. In Jesus’ Name we pray, Amen.”

33. #33
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    sonofdy

    You don’t know me, you might be surprised.But, I understand what you say. But , we the few, who wish to fight,,,, may surprise you.

34. #34
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    I buy legal tobacco today, I grow my own tomorrow. As Mel Brooks said in ” History of the world part II ” @#!&$#@ the poor !

35. #35
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    This is a payoff to bootleggers and terrorists. The gangs and mafia love this !

36. #36
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pm, Hangfire said:

    “Attention in the waiting room:

    Now serving number 6,954. 6,954, you will report to screening room number 118.”

37. #37
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, Mister P said:

    I have to say it, but I am already hating Obama. Listening to that “conference”, he just blasted those Republicans who voted against this. He sounded just like Barney Frank.

    This after he DICTATED his new plan on executive pay. I am sure he is immitating Perez.

38. #38
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pm, kahall said:

    Wait a minute. I make under $250,000 per year. I thought….

39. #39
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:45 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Obamanation:Definition; An idiot who toes the party line with no intellect involved.

40. #40
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Sorry…Intellect=Integrity.

41. #41
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm, irving said:

    funded with a massive tax hike on smokers.

    This is not exactly true. If everyone in the country suddenly quits smoking, the funding will theoretically drop to zero, but it won’t affect the amount of money paid out by the program one bit.

    IOW, the “funding” of the program is a lie.

42. #42
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Bad enough, I used to work for a company and; they want me to pay $5 for my w-2…I’m not bitter, much…

43. #43
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pm, jjmurphy said:

    IOW, the “funding” of the program is a lie.

    Exactly right , Irving!

44. #44
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Smoking cessation; $75 million, what a crock. Michigan spent their money, 430 million, from the tobacco settlement on college aid. Reasoning was, college educated people smoke less. WTF are THEY smoking ?

45. #45
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:53 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Audit and drug-test all gov’t employees.

46. #46
    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, genso said:

    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Smoking cessation; $75 million, what a crock. Michigan spent their money, 430 million, from the tobacco settlement on college aid. Reasoning was, college educated people smoke less. WTF are THEY smoking ?

    To Irving’s point, on the one hand they add billions to spending with the Schip on the back of smokers and on the other hand we add millions on the tax payers to eliminate the very smokers that are needed to pay the tax. Circular logic and we are stuck with the bill.

47. #47
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, Surveyor said:

    MNUSMCDavid:

    But , we the few, who wish to fight,,,, may surprise you.

    Amen Brother.

48. #48
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, pgtips said:

    Socialism only appeals to liars and fools: The liars pedal the goods, the fools consume them.

    Commieagle is both. So don’t act too surprised by his asinine commentary

49. #49
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pm, et said:

    I see that Google returns 436,000 hits for the search ‘home tobacco growing.’ It grows in all fifty states and a small 3ft x 25ft garden will keep a 2 pack a day smoker supplied.

50. #50
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm, 24Klady said:

    And, this is only the start of telling you what you can eat, how warm you can keep your home, and how long you can veg out on the sofa – after all, Michelle O’ deemed it a given when on the campaign trail. Stark reality is a b&*@ch. This is not the end boys and girls – we’re in for a rough ride, on a horse that was put away wet last night.

51. #51
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:15 pm, usa_usa said:

    This is a total liberal wet dream. Providing free health care to bums and their kids and punishing smokers. A twofer.

52. #52
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Obama administration cancels awarded oil and gas leases in Utah.

    If high oil prices that drive down driving (and the rest of the economy) to save us from carbon dioxide, which may or may not be a significant greenhouse gas, is the goal, than Obama has the answers.

    Don’t drill now, don’t drill here.

53. #53
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:17 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    ^^

    Double bonus- Utah is full of Mormons who oppose gay marriage and usually vote Rethuglican- throwing some of them out of work and making Robert Redford happy is a win-win.

54. #54
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:22 pm, tarpon said:

    Health care for illegal’s kids, the parents of which on’t pay taxes, how generous is that.

    Can American tax payers support the whole world?

55. #55
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:31 pm, John Deaux said:

    On February 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pm, sonofdy said:

    har har har, sonofdy works in medical software.

    So does John Deaux! And you thought HIPAA was bad.

    I want to know when I’m getting my check to cover my mortgage and gas money.

56. #56
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:43 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    I sold radiology equipment with the reconstructing of the images soft and hard ware….. find a job for me in MN…..Hah!

57. #57
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:49 pm, Boomer said:

    Leave it to my backstabbing BORE Congressman Simpson to vote for this load of crap. So glad my wife quit smoking over 17 years ago and I never started. This will hammer the heck out my nicotine addicted sister-in-law, which means more financial assistance from us to help her make ends meet. They pulled this sin tax in “Orygun” resulting in my father-in-law quiting cold turkey unwilling to put the drain on the household’s already limited funds resulting in his death in 3 weeks thanks to a massive coronary. I wonder what the body count will be from this tax on the poor. I love the way they are keeping Zero’s campaign promise of lowering taxes on 95% of Americans.

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!

58. #58
    On February 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm, flmom said:

    pgtips said:

    Thanks for your post, I’ve lived through the National Health too, and can attest to your post. My nephew[lives in England] had to wait six months for an MRI when he dislocated his knee, my son, who went through the same problem waited a grand total of 24 hours and was in surgery within the week to repair a torn ligament, my nephew, a year later, still waiting for surgery. Meanwhile he can’t play soccer or do anything active, he’s only 15 years old. I’m so glad I live here.[For now at least}.

59. #59
    On February 4th, 2009 at 8:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    The kiddie human shield strategy strikes again.

    They’ll use it for other things too. The kiddies will need to curb the second amendment, the kiddies will need a fairness doctrine, the kiddies will need to nationalize the airlines…

60. #60
    On February 4th, 2009 at 8:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I see that Google returns 436,000 hits for the search ‘home tobacco growing.’ It grows in all fifty states and a small 3ft x 25ft garden will keep a 2 pack a day smoker supplied.

    If it works like booze, the infernal revenoors don’t care, you’ll owe the tax anyway and they’ll be after you a thousand times faster and harder than on Geithner.

61. #61
    On February 4th, 2009 at 9:05 pm, sonofdy said:

    sonofdy

    You don’t know me, you might be surprised.But, I understand what you say. But , we the few, who wish to fight,,,, may surprise you.

    When the time comes, I will be there.

62. #62
    On February 4th, 2009 at 9:35 pm, Micheleeroo said:

    I’d rather they tax smokers than me (I pay enough already, thank you!), but when more people stop smoking and they start running low on funds, then I guess they come around and start taxing everyone else.

63. #63
    On February 4th, 2009 at 9:37 pm, jsr said:

    Will smoking now be considered patriotic? Or just buying tobacco and paying the taxes?

64. #64
    On February 4th, 2009 at 9:56 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    This is awesome news. Now every child will get what every PERSON is ENTITLED to…medical care.

    We’ll get everyone covered in the next four years.

    Yes, this is AWESOME NEWS. In just a few short years, we’ll have the government telling us what we can eat, how much to exercise, and when to die.

    I hope someone you love gets denied coverage by a government bean-counter, eagle. Then you’ll see what we’ve been telling you: socialized medicine sucks.

65. #65
    On February 4th, 2009 at 10:12 pm, FamilyMan said:

    englishqueen01 said; and when to die.

    I think they already do EQ. It’s called abortion.

66. #66
    On February 4th, 2009 at 10:49 pm, taylork said:

    Well, I guess if you’re going to steal from the next two generations, you might as well do your best to make them healthy and productive.

67. #67
    On February 5th, 2009 at 1:34 am, Divapalooza said:

    pgtips – Thank you so much for chiming in on this thread!

    National Healthcare for every single American scares me. I have a blog post set to go up tomorrow at 9:00 am that explains a little bit more about where I am coming from.

    Let’s just say that I’ve seen how the government health plan takes care of the military, our veterans, and their dependents.

    You were SO right when you said that Socialism was for Liars and Fools. I know a couple of Liars that LOVE to take advantage and take whatever they can get, point their finger, bitch and complain… etc. They want the government to take care of all of their needs, etc. These same people have NO pride whatsoever.

    Obama is a Liar, Princess Pelosi is a Liar, and those that voted for Obama are the FOOLS.

68. #68
    On February 5th, 2009 at 1:41 am, Divapalooza said:

    Well… I spent a few minutes typing up a comment for this thread. I think I lost it. Y’all will just have to see what I have to say about this tomorrow morning.

    I wanted pgtips to know how much I appreciate the effort to share what is going on under your own nationalized healthcare over in the UK. Americans do Not understand and you are not the first person from the UK or even from Canada to chime in on how horrible nationalized healthcare really is.

    Our government healthcare can’t even provide for the military, her veterans, or their dependents. More tomorrow morning via my blog…

69. #69
    On February 5th, 2009 at 1:57 am, Micheleeroo said:

    #63: I don’t know, but by Joe Biden’s standards, Geithner and Daschle sure ain’t patriotic….

70. #70
    On February 5th, 2009 at 2:14 am, xblade said:

    Here’s the really interesting part: Unless it has been taken out, there’s $75 million in the stimulus fraud bill for smoking cessation treatment, lol.

    Freakin’ morons. God I hate liberals.

71. #71
    On February 5th, 2009 at 2:35 am, love2rumba said:

    I think they already do EQ. It’s called abortion.

    I think EnglishQueen 101 was refering to Euthenasia…

72. #72
    On February 5th, 2009 at 3:04 am, graysonret said:

    I wonder when Pelosi will offer up a “new baby” tax?

73. #73
    On February 5th, 2009 at 8:56 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I think EnglishQueen 101 was refering to Euthenasia…

    Yes, that’s what I was referring to.

    A family member was recently diagnosed with ALS and was hospitalized New Year’s Eve from complications of the same. They’ve been in the hospital for over a month now, slowly recovering. They will never, however, be cured and ALS is a fatal disease.

    Under socialized medicine – and with the full blessing and cheer of people like eaglehaslanded and Obama – they probably would have pulled them off the ventilator back on January 2nd and let them die because their care is going to be too expensive for the government to warrant keeping them alive. Or they’d pay for assisted suicide to prevent them from being a “burden” (read: too expensive).

    Same thing with my grandfather, who suffered a stroke in 1988 and was left paralyzed on the left side of his body. We cared for him until his death in 1993. Today in the UK and parts of Canada, he’d be considered a burden and he’d have been “put down” after having the stroke.

    The brilliant political minds in England have already said the ill and elderly have a patriotic duty to off themselves because their care costs too much.

    Socialized medicine sets up a system that’s capable of providing medical care for healthy people. The sickly, well…not so much. It makes no sense. Which, of course, is why illogical liberals love it.

74. #74
    On February 5th, 2009 at 8:57 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I wonder when Pelosi will offer up a “new baby” tax?

    That idea has been tossed about, too.

    Saving the planet, and all that, for the children we tax, contracept, and abort out of existence. Again, a perfectly illogical and immoral ideology that liberals wholeheartedly embrace.

75. #75
    On February 5th, 2009 at 9:27 am, Weary Citizen said:

    Well, this gives me one more reason to quit smoking (not that I need another). Actually, this is a lot of motivation for me as I am sick and tired of paying for my children AND every other IRRESPONSIBLE person who had children they either can not afford or are unwilling to sacrifice their standard of living to pay for their own GD children. Especially, illegals and their d*mn anchor babies. Let those big mouth liberals pony up the cost. Eventually they to will tire of having their $ redistributed. A pox on all their houses.

76. #76
    On February 5th, 2009 at 9:40 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On February 4th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, genso said:

    That liberal “circular logic” is pervasive in every policy they enact. Another example, they bemoan the environmental impacts of humans and set carbon reduction targets, while at the same time pushing for ever higher levels of immigration. One negates the other.

77. #77
    On February 5th, 2009 at 10:04 am, Yashmak said:

    Well, I’ll be avoiding the punitive tax on smokers at least. . .I’ve quit because my gal just told me I’m going to be a father. She quit too.

    Just between the two of us, that’s approximately $333/year the government won’t be getting to help pay for SCHIP.

78. #78
    On February 5th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, torabora said:

    Englishqueen…euthanasia was the first step in the road to the camps for the Nazis. They sent all the retarded, epileptic,lepers etc. to the camps….then the “work shy”….then enemies of the state..then Gypsies, Slavs and Jews.

    The reason things have been chaotic in America is that Americans did not want to ever give the government too much power.They knew the road to the death camps lies in centralized power.

    Now they have flipped. God help us. I fear duh1=666.