Alert: Who are the Senate GOP wobblers?; Update: Reid says he has two Republicans; Collins is sold; Voino no?; 6:15pm Eastern Reid: “I don’t have 60 votes yet…We should outlaw polls;” No vote tonight
Scroll for updates…Collins falls; Voino a no?…6:15pm Eastern…Reid on floor…will work into night…”I don’t have 60 votes yet…we should outlaw polls..;” 9:00pm Eastern update…No vote tonight…

Buzz on the Hill is that the Senate may vote today on the Generational Theft Act of 2009. Harry Reid and the Dems are desperate to end public debate.
And then there’s this oh-so-important consideration (hat tip: Rob Neppell):
“An analyst on Bloomberg just said the talk in Washington is that the Stimulus bill must pass today because many Senators are booked to a security “junket” to Munich tomorrow. Your govt. at work.”
Crikey.
The Senate GOP wobblers may be conspiring on a disastrous compromise as we speak. Who are they?
I’m told that the Squishy Four are (no surprises here):
Collins (202) 224-2523
Snowe (202) 224-5344
Voinovich (202) 224-3353
Specter (202) 224-4254
Staunch conservative Sen. Coburn is on the floor right now defiantly rebutting Harry Reid’s hurry-up alarmism. Coburn: “Hurry up is what got us into trouble in the first place.”
Call the GOP wobblers. Tell ‘em to slam the brakes. Kill the bill. Stab it. Stick a fork in it. Then start from scratch.
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Update: The Hill reports that Reid says he has two Republicans…
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters Thursday that he has enough votes to pass a more than $900 billion stimulus bill out of the Senate.
Reid said he believes at least two Republicans of “good will” would support the Democratic-crafted package.
“Do we have the votes? I believe we do,” said Reid, who expects a final vote on the package will be held on Thursday.
Update: Collins is sold…
Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine said Obama, in a meeting with her on Wednesday, had persuaded her that the ultimate bill should be “in the neighborhood of $800 billion.”
“The president did convince me,” she said, adding that she believed the two sides would reach a compromise on the Senate stimulus package on Thursday.
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Update: Hill source says latest word from Voinovich is that he’ll vote against it. Managing my expectations of Crybaby George, but it’s a glimmer of Hope…
A reader e-mails that she just got through to Voino’s office and his statement is a bit more squeamy (I know, it’s not a word, but it fits): “He doesn’t support the bill in its present form.”
Update: 6:15pm Eastern…Reid on floor…will work into night…”I don’t have 60 votes yet…we should outlaw polls…” Yeah, damn those polls when they don’t go your way.
Update: 9:00pm Eastern. Reid calls it quits for the night!
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“It’s unreasonable to expect that Republicans from deeply blue states like Maine and Pennsylvania will tow the Republican party line.”
You are correct Omu. However this is not about what is good for or is not good for the Republican Party. This is about what is good for this country. Why do you think SO many people are opposed to this pork loaded spending bill? Do you think its because suddenly 80 some percent of the country is now Republican?
The bill will destroy a part of the foundation of our country which then will harm our economy.
It will not only not work, it will do further harm.
This is something that even RINO’s ought to get.
Its time for them to STOP thinking politics and start thinking outside of themselves and the bigger picture.
This bill is not only bad, its damaging.
On February 5th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
RINO!!!!!
Hey Folks, here is a better phone list. It has alternate numbers, addresses.
My call to Voinovich about an hour ago resulted in the statement that his official position was one of opposition to the current bill.
On February 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm, SakakiO said:
DC Office
Phone: (202) 224-2523
Caribou State Office:
Main: (207) 493-7873
Main: (207) 945-0417
Bangor Office
Main: (207) 622-8414
Augusta Office
Main: (207) 784-6969
Biddeford State Office:
Main: (207) 283-1101
Portland State Office:
Main: (207) 780-3575
senator@collins.senate.gov
Calls today were running 50/50.
Hmm… Levity or gravitas? Sounds a bit like a truth slip to me, too. It underscores the “hurry up and get this through before the public realizes what it means”.
Fantastic news. I called his office last week when he didn’t have an official position on the bill. If Weeping George gets it, it bodes well that this bill is going to be owned exclusively by the hardcore Dems.
What’s aggravating – these idiot Republicans don’t realize helping Reid will make them … and every other Republican in the caucus … irrelevant.
Go here and sign the petition!
http://email1.nostimulus.com/?q=petition
Do.it.now!
Email your democrat senator or congressman and simply say:
“Don’t let Nancy Pelozi do your thinking”.
These idiot hack liberals don’t realize that at this point, it’s not about Republicans or Democrats It’s about the majority of people who HIRED them have said NO NO NO NO PORK!
With Weird Al not seated yet, if no RINOs defect, the filibuster can work.
All comes down to the two ladies from Maine…
Semi-OT, but they are listening:
Dual lobbyist and Congresswoman, defender of full welfare benefits for illegals, has conformation hearings delayed over tax cheat husband.
When will they vote on this?
Ed – What gets me is that she should be disqualified for her lobbying/congresswoman shtick. Actually, she should be impeached. And it should have nothing to do with her husband!
Gah – these Corrupticrats make my blood boil.
Collins is sold, it get dark at night.
“”we should outlaw polls…” polls make it harder to steal”
If Dingy Harry and the Trophy Wife Pelosi could keep all their activities secret their life would be easier. Not our lives, just theirs.
Joy
If the tax cheat husband keeps a dedicated enemy of free market capitalism out of the Labor Department, well, I’ll take it.
She should be impeached, but good luck getting Nancy Pelosi to approve an impeachment hearing, not to mention Dingy Harry Reid allowing a conviction and removal from office.
I don’t know if she is from a safely moonbat/illegals who vote district or not, maybe she’ll lose her seat in 2010.
How is Botox Fright Mask Woman anyone’s idea of a “trophy wife”.
I suspect the inverse, just as Diane Feinstein does in the Senate, she probably steers federal money his way.
This is an example of ” A cult of Personality” Living color, 1988
Rather prescient, wouldn’t you say ?
Well, you take their head, have a taxidermist stuff it, and hang it on the wall of your den.
OT
Closer to civilian trials with ACLU lawyers…
GOP has 40 votes, Dems have 57 so Reid needs to peel off three of the GOP’s while the GOP may be peeling off 4-5 red state dems like Bayh, Conrad, Dorgan and Nelson(ND).
Why can’t we hold special elections like other countrys when their governments fail them, they get a NO Confidence Vote. Form a coalition that has the Confidence of the American People. BECAUSE I DON’T TRUST ANY OF THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE CITIZENS OF THIS REPUBLIC.
We should be having some special elections, and picking off these so called lawmakers left and right.
Maybe if they kill it, Congress can try manageable chunks at a time that might actually stimulate the economy. More spending of military equipment like the F-22 and F-35 and upgraded tanks and more submarines.
A reduction in the business tax rate. Maybe lower the lowest tax rate by half, if Obama really cares about poor people.
Because the Porkulus bill, like the S-CHIP, is just the beginning. A UAW approved permanent government bailout of Detroit is coming. Carbon “cap and trade”, ie, more taxes that will make the US less competitive. Who knows what crap the either/or/both Marxist or corrupt Demonrats will think of to increase the size of government, reduce the private sector, limit the Second Amendment and the First Amendment (The 9th and 10th are already dead, for all intents and purposes).
A defeat for Obama now, that shows some of the less hard core Marxists (ie, the corrupt, who value reelection over ideology, like the so-called “Blue Dogs”) in the Demonratic Party that the American people didn’t vote for the Soviet Union when they voted for “change”, which was never described by Obama and never questioned by his slobbering media sycophants, might keep more legislative disasters from getting passed.
From
Moveon.orgGeorge Soros#122
Than one gets Italy, or Israel, where bizarre coalitions are formed to rule, and where tough decisions usually collapse the government.
Our system worked fine until the Soviet Union, aided by Henry Wallace and George McGovern and communist allies in media and the universities, started training and developing a generation of people, whether they knew they were active Soviet tools or not, who took control of the Democrat Party following the communist inspired riots in 1968, so that McGovernites controlled the party by 1972, to the point now that
there basically are no non-Marxists left in the leadership of the party.
When we had two separate parties, that both had patriots who loved there country, the system worked well.
And the journey of the Demonrats to an American hating Communist Party USA in all but name drove many liberals who didn’t hate America outright into the Republican Party, diluting the party, and giving us people like Olympia Snowe and Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins and Meg Whitman and Rudy Giuliani who believe they are Republicans.
John McCain is a perfect example of a Scoop Jackson/Harry S Truman anti-communist Democrat, but that party was already dying when he first ran for the House from Arizona, forcing him to run as a Republican. Lindsay Graham is another Democrat forced to be a Republican because the old Democrat Party is dead.
Only the hopelessly corrupt, like Murtha and Daley, or Marxists, like San Fran Nan, are Demonrats now. (Actually, she is corrupt and a Marxist).
Again, I repeat, the “Blue Dogs”, Dems from conservative districts, are a fraud. Out of 49, 11 voted against the Porkulus in the House.
The conservatives should get a clue from the radical collectivists. This “stimulus” bill and this “crisis” is an OPPORTUNITY.
The Republicans should go into a beserker rage and push for a repeal of all withholding taxes for people earning under, I don’t know, $40k a year – FICA, Medicare, SS, everything.
Let those poor people keep EVERYTHING they earn!
The collectivists want to play class warfare? Fine, give it back to them and give it to them hard.
Ram it down their throats and cry about all the poor people needing everything they earn!
Wail for the cameras and ram it through!
Then it’s just one small step to a Fair Tax…
UPDATE: Reid is a tool.
Funny how the O wants to remind us that he was elected by the majority of Americans, but suddenly Dirty Harry and company don’t want to talk about what the majority of Americans want.
Anyone else watching P-BO’s shouting on t.v.? Who are those cheering tools? My mom says he’s reminding her more and more of Hugo Chavez every day.
Correct link for petition is:
Is anyone else insulted by this speach this stupid freakin african is making? I’m outraged.
Yes they are, trying to shove this down our throat.
trying again: Stop the Stimulus Petition.
This time I wrote my own HTML.
anyone listening to barack on CNN right now??
lol, I see some of you are watching. Ahh…ahh…ahhh He is so frustrated that the people don’t like his plan.
Listening to Obama right now!
LIAR LIAR LIAR!!
scare scare scare…
He can’t seem to get out of campaign speak mode.
Yes, greenfairie, he pisses me off. Lock and load!
ASS HOLE!
As someone else just said, he’s forgetting the will of the people. He’s thinking “damned those polls”.
I tried to call Sen. Collins of Maine at 8:45 tonight and her answering service said her voice mailbox was full. Hopefully, enough people told her to grow a pair and think about what she was comtemplating. Hopefully. God. How do people like this get into government? Damn.
Eight years of this???
Lilly Ledbetter now…..campaigning speech again.
Obama’s defense doctrine : ” WE ALL LIVE IN A YELLOW SUBMARINE …”
Good God. He says we can’t do anything about fuel, forclosures and anything else until this passes. I wish he would pass.
GEEZZZZZZ This guy is begging
for you all to be
jerks
as he goes into campaign mode………..JERK!!!
Alice B. Toklas redux…
JESUS H MOSES!!!
THIS IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL!!!
The talking heads are propping him up big time.
I hope he pissed off even more Republicans and Americans with that performance.
This guy will not last 8 years. What a condescending (sp) piece of sh!!t.
He came just short of saying “Can I get an amen?”
I hear the senate has retired for the evening. Even though I know it will do no good, I will be calling my 2 (lucky us) new Colo. Senators tomorrow, Udall and Bennett since the sh!!thole relieved of us John Salazar. God, please help us.
I’m still waiting for one elected official to ask the question: Is anything in this bill within the bounds of the enumerated powers? How can Congress lawfully pass a bill pertaining to issues not covered by those powers? Even if the polls that Sen. Reid wishes to ban were pointing the other way, the issue of Constitutionality would still remain. If the Republicans wished to take the high road here, they would stick with 1) explaining how the only Constitutional means possible for Congress to involve itself in this matter is through a discussion of taxation, which just so happens to have a track record of success, and 2) that nothing in the Democratic (funny thing how you won’t find the word ‘Democracy’ anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, nor any State Constitution because we have a Republic, but I digress) “stimulus” plan is Constitutional.
President or wannabe comedian?
Don’t bother trying to send an email to Collins either.
Thanks for letting me vent. My blood pressure has come down. The bad part of living alone, you can only yell at the TV. Thanks for your patience.
Sendme- I believe that is the whole point of the demoncrats. They have stopped believing in the Constitution and only believe in thier own power. Through the school system, as we know it, they have indoctrinated our children with the same belief.
#156 Katablog
No – keep trying. The longer Collins email box is clogged, the better!!
I figure, since our President has abandoned the Constitution for Markist principles, we had best get to know and love them.
Now we all know why the Framers insisted that only land-owners be given voting rights.
Real concerned with listening to her constituents isn’t she?
Send_Me – Several years ago a group of conservatives had a huge thread on another site trying to convince some Dems that we are a Republic. They truly didn’t know this and no matter what we showed them, they refused to listen (sound familiar?). One was a grade school teacher who lived in Berzerkley, CA…
The general Dem lack of knowledge concerning our Republic and Constitution is truly astounding.
most of the country, dems included, don’t want amnesty either and where are we headed with that one?
the Zero tells congress “i won” yes, he did,by hook and crook he won, but he won the presidency not the kingship.
Gads we’re on for trouble.
On February 5th, 2009 at 9:03 pm, katablog said:
I got through on:
senator@collins.senate.gov
I haven’t tried:
Steve_Abbott@collins.senate.gov
Holly_Nesbit@collins.senate.gov
Marybeth_carozza@collins.senate.gov
jane_alonso@collins.senate.gov
elissa_davidson@collins.senate.gov
jen_burita@collins.senate.gov
kevin_kelley@collins.senate.gov
“he won the presidency not the kingship.”
However the left and he thinks its the same. That is not surprising although it is a bit unnerving.
And again we find ourselves wondering where is the media and concerned journalist who will take on King Obama?
At this point the way back to majority is electric blue clear easy, the GOP just has to say to themselves (over and over), “NO” votes equals “No Blame” campaigns.
Here’s a video you may appreciate.
Looks more like an old fashioned fist fight, with blood and tears.
*P-BO says that it will be a catastrophe for our country if his porkalooza bill doesn’t pass; The real, undeniable catastrophe is that we have, in just two weeks time, learned that he has neither the ability nor the intent to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States”.
*One more time Senate Republicans, keep your fingerprints off of this disaster of a bill unless you want to go down with the ship; Tough love in spades is what the country needs to bring clarity back to this economy, not mucking it up further.
Nor the temperament for the position he is in given the comments here about his whiny reaction.
Republicanvet: And it will only get worse; Thinking people knew all along we were dealing with a one trick pony Chicago-style and it will not play well over the next few months; We can only hope that the feeling people will grow a brain and recognize that we have a Carter with street cred on our hands and not much else.
Jeff- I never watched MsleezeE so I had never seen the video. Pictures speak louder than words.
This is what we face.
Lock & Load!
Great video – thanks
I’m wondering if it is something more. Sheesh if he’s losing it on something like this, what will he do with something a bit more difficult?
Republicanvet: Could be smoking withdrawal symptoms; And with his signing of that wonderful Schip bill to fund health care for illegal aliens through a cigarette tax, you would think he, Michelle, and their daughters would all be lighting up to help in the cause; Typical liberal logic.
*Later.
I see you all saw the grandstanding BHO did on tv. What a douchebag, I can’t believe he actually said to quit crying over earmarks because what bill does not come out of washington without earmarks. He should have just put on a clown costume and danced around the stage with a horn. He, Pelosi and Reid are the clown masters of ceremony in the three ringed circus that is our House, Senate and White House.
Sendme- Excellent video. It should be played in every classroom in the Nation. Thank you.
Yes, Sendme–thanks for that link. A tyranny of the elite. Hmmm, sounds familiar.
Thanks, Send_me. A good video.
I thought Democrats operated exclusively by polls…
Oh, just depends on the poll I guess.
I am really beginning to think that liberal politicians WANT A DEPESSION!
After all they can blame it on Bush and Republicans with full support of the liberal biased media and at the same time cement their hold on power while their socialist policies take full effect.
Muslims around the world are licking their chops. With O in office their sick cult can accelerate their plans to convert the infidels in the USA!
Here’s Governor Corzine’s take on it:
I’m starting to sense a trend. Boohoo.
Socialism Alert:
Comrades, are you aware that Obama wants an ACORN-like census in 2010?
Census now reports directly to him.
Now, the ‘stimulus’ package includes $1 Billion for that census.
Just say no to taxpayer funded graft and corruption. This bill smells like last week’s tuna fish sandwich.
Cutting a few things here and there don’t change the fact it’s still a rotten sandwich.
On February 5th, 2009 at 7:26 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
How is Botox Fright Mask Woman anyone’s idea of a “trophy wife”.
Think ‘water buffalo mount on the wall’.
You’re more right than you know. Read the writings of the early Marxists (Marx, Lenin, Gramsci, Lukács and others) and you’ll see how.
First, promote chaos; chaos causes uncertainty; uncertainty, fear; fear, desire for hope; desire for hope, a savior. While promoting chaos, one needs only to prop up their version of a savior. If you’re of the Marxist persuasion, then government is that savior, promoted via a cult of personality.
BINGO!! you and Mr. Olympia (Arnold, Franco, Samir..Haney, Yates…which one?? ) are absolutely correct!!!
the government as savior…and all the obamabots will stand in line for their mark..
President Obama will go on prime time TV on Monday. Probably to deliver his catastrophic message that if
Pelosi‘s his stimulus package doesn’t get passed right away, the United States as we are today will be worse than at any time in our Country’s past.He will panic the dumb-masses and they will demand the stimulus package get passed.
OK. Fine. That is what he believes.
So, is Mr. Steele at the RNC gonna start the media campaign about the porkulus BEFORE PBO has a chance to continue the enabling of the msm in favor of PBO?
This is a test of the new leadership at the RNC.
“saying it could mean more than a billion-dollar difference in the amount he will have to cut from the state budget to be unveiled next month.”
I just don’t understand either how insanely stupid these guys are or how stupid they think we are. There is NO money. The stimulus package is not MONEY. It is pretend, borrowed, make believe DEBT money. Either these guys are out of their minds and don’t understand the difference between REAL money and BORROWED money OR they do and they think we are all idiots.
If we don’t have the money now to cover government, state and federal, budgets borrowing it does not then mean we suddenly HAVE the money. We don’t have the money. Get on with the pain.
Borrowing it doesn’t fix the pain. It does however magnify the pain when the funds need to be paid back.
I learned about this thing in the military that I am afraid is happening now. I was in the Navy. Periodically we had inspections. Of course the guys doing the inspections and the folks being inspected all knew each other. While it was serious business, it was also sorta a game.
When I was early in the Navy we were having an inspection and I was a cleaning, organizing, checking every detail fool. About 1/2 through the day an old seasoned chief petty officer came over to me and said, “Slow down son. Here’s how this works. The inspectors will look until they find something. Our job is to give them something to find. Not too easy to find as then we’ll make them look bad. Not too hard to fix cause that will make us look bad and make our work harder. They’ll find something. We’ll fix something. Everyone looks good. Then we get back to being normal and get on with our day.”
So that’s what we did. And it worked perfectly. It worked every year that we had inspections.
So now our “leaders” are all busy trying to find things to cut out so that in the end, the total amount of this bill isn’t so high. That is still not a good thing. It is a rope-a-dope you see. We’ll feel all good and pat ourselves on the backs because our good Republican leaders cut this, cut that, so that its not as big as the Democrats wanted. They’ll pat themselves on their proverbial backs for being all partisan like, Obama all unifier like, and we still get SCREWED.
How much stuff do you think is in this bill that was put in their to get cut? Goofy stupid spending stuff that is in their for one purpose; to get cut to serve a political ends to impact people’s perceptions of this bill?
We don’t want this bill trimmed down. We want this bill stopped.
The rope-a-dope is in place folks.
“As I have explained to people in that group, they cannot hold the president of the United States hostage,” said Reid, D-Nev.
Now THAT’S funny!
All I can tell you is that I am NOT THE RINO Ahnold! LOL