Trojan Horse watch: Obama quietly takes next universal health care step
He warned us. After signing the universal health care Trojan Horse S-CHIP bill into law yesterday, President Obama took his “next step” this afternoon — quietly signing a memorandum revoking the Bush administration’s attempts to ensure that government-funded health insurance for working poor people actually went to working poor people.
The road to Hillarycare is paved with incremental encroachments:
President Barack Obama made more children from middle-class families eligible for government health insurance Thursday by lifting a directive imposed by his predecessor.
In 2007, the Bush administration said it would strictly adhere to guidelines that limited the scope of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.
A year later, it backed off its threat to penalize states that enrolled middle-class children without first proving they had enrolled nearly all poorer children first.
In a memorandum issued Thursday, Obama completely lifted the restrictions, which many governors and Democratic lawmakers said were nearly impossible to meet.
Obama said in a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services that “tens of thousand of children have been denied health care coverage” because of the directive.
Under the restrictions, at least 95 percent of poor children eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP had to already be in those programs before states could begin using federal funds to cover higher-income children.
Also, states covering higher-income children had to make sure individuals were without health insurance for one year before they were allowed to get government-sponsored coverage.
Obama’s memo was issued a day after he signed legislation that will enable about 7 million children to continue coverage through SCHIP and allow another 4 million to sign up.
“The way I see it, providing coverage to 11 million children through SCHIP is a down payment on my commitment to cover every single American,” Obama said Wednesday at a White House bill-signing ceremony.
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The road to socialism…..all aboard!
mm, theres a typo. “when to” s/b went to.
There. Fixed it for you.
There we go with the “great minds think alike”, MP.
Perils of multi-tasking/combatting socialism on all fronts.
All paid for by a rapidly shrinking pool of smokers. The next item to be massively taxed will appear in 3… 2…. 1…
Thanks for your vigilance, MM. What do you suggest? Pitch fork march on the White House sounds good to me. I hear Glenn Beck has quite a selection of them.
…Blog comments. That will be $.15 cents please.
Because of the massive costs of universal health care, anything that tastes good is next up.
Socializing programs, nationalizing the economy and big business.
Crazy days indeed. And we still wonder how dictators get elected?
Incremental indeed … but nonetheless, continually coming down on us and when the snowball that has been rolling downhill hits us, “it” is going to fly everywhere.
Did your business on charging for the word “Hoppe” [deliberately misspelled to avoid charges] dry up?
Dagney, I am with you there. Great minds indeed. Bring the kids, say a prayer at the Constitution, then storm the castles.
Pack a lunch.
Oh No – what could be worse thn universal healthcare?
The real question is: why do you have a problem with all Americans having healthcare?
Krystallnacht is not too far off
There is no problem with all Americans having health care. Where the problem lies in is
asking money from mestealing money from me to pay for the health care of other people who make substantially more money than I do. Not all of us are blessed with write-offs, deductions and other “loopholes” to prevent us from being gouged on our meager incomes.No, still going strong. And unfortunately for you, we also retain the rights to all olde and middle english spellings of the word too. So sorry, pay up.
He also said that ” this is only the beginning”
Welcome to our new world commrade. Makes me wonder how many people out there are asking themselves ” why the hell did i vote for this ? ”
Glad i am not in that group. So when we are goose stepping soon we know who to blame. I bet they will not admitt to voting for him though.
Wrong question. The real question is how do we get health coverage for everyone? You for example want to follow a pattern which I can tell you from personal experience is NOT like micheal moore tried to present in his “sicko” liefest. Does universal healthcare work? Yes. In a fashion. It works in a way ilovemycountry would NOT like. For example, the wait for EMERGENCY heart surgery* in New Zeland is now 45 days. Thats EMERGENCY surgery.
In fact, in many countries with universal healthcare today, one of the most saught after benefits is PRIVATE health insurance so they can go to PRIVATE hospitals because that is where the good doctors go.
* Does not apply to the poltical elite.
All Canadians have health care. The real sick ones seek help in other countries.
I am not a socialist. The end.
Yeah, but that would hardly be a problem here since we all know about 1/2 the population (conservatives) don’t have a heart.
Why do I go to work everyday? Can someone please remind me?
I’ve got this feeling the smart people stay home and watch Judge Judy on the government’s tab.
I can provide plenty of other examples.
None of which ilovemycountry would like.
For the same reason I have a problem with all Americans owning their own home.
So, with 1/2 the population not having a heart and the other 1/2 (liberals) not needing lobotomies (no brain), what is the point of socializing medicine? We can’t get our heart surgery and you can’t figure out how to get good health care!
Chap, that would be funnier if I didn’t have a relative die on that waiting list for heart surgery.
Oh. My bad.
If you have to ask then you haven’t been paying attention. And that really is just so sad.
Who said that?
I don’t have a problem with all Americans having healthcare. I do have a problem with government run, government mandated healthcare stolen from the pockets of every tax paying American on the planet being provided to anyone who holds out their hand whether they are a legal resident or not.
There are tens of countries that have gone down this road and we’ve linked one horror story after another to show the great failures that they are only to have half-witted moronic communists like you stick your fingers in your ears and scream “lalalalala, hear no evil see no evil”.
How could you know? But it is a serious problem with that healthcare system. I didn’t know that relative very well anyway but it still pissed me off when it happened.
Now this part will pi$$ of chap. YOU CAN NOT SUE THE DOCTORS FOR MALPRACTICE!!! If this happens, you have to apply to the government for compensation and more than likely the doctor will just be re-assigned.
And that’s really the point here. We are talking about real life repercussions as a result of fulfilling these campaign promises; Gitmo, Universal healthcare, embracing our enemies and abandoning our allies. Perilous times. May God help us all.
…and how long before abortion will be considered “health care” and be provided free to the 1.5+ million persons who can’t seem keep from getting pregnant? Let’s tax an already underfunded program funded by taxing tobacco.
It all seems kinda funny but it hurts too much to laugh.
Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Hawaii (and a few other states if I remember right?) end their “universal healthcare” towards the end of last year, because it was costing too much and they had run out of money? And now these idiots want to do that to the whole country? Am I missing something here?
God hates socialists .
If they want healthcare, they should get a job and pay for it. Do not pick the pockets of real hard working Americans to pay for the bums and their kids.
Radical mindset:
It’s the steps 2 and 3 which concern us whilst radicals like Ilovemycountry keep harping on #1. It’s not the feel-good sentiment we’re protesting, it’s how we get there and whether or not such a system can even still work without meritocracy and competition. Arguably, one of the main issues with health insurance today is the relative lack of competition due to the HMOs.
Execution is important and there is always a bill to be paid.
Ilovemycountry presents a logical fallacy:
That’s a classic false dilemma. Our issue here is that the government should not be our only choice for health care. It’s not even a good choice when you consider how a government runs everything else, not to mention the real world examples we see in other countries.
No one wants a doctor’s office to be run like the DMV, do they? (See, I can create my own false dilemmas.)
Or I could repeat the example of the doctor who almost killed me on the table. This bozo graduated from the university of Fiji, took out my appendix “because he was in there anyway” (hint they get paid by the procedure) and gave me so many anti-biotics they thought I had a blood disorder of some kind. I never actualy met the guy before or after and it took me 6 months to recover from his “care”. That included 1 month where I was so badly messed up I couldn’t leave the hospital bed.
Ilovemycountry: rebuttal???
He is undoing every sensible thing President Bush did.Everything he fought for will be wasted.Pretty soon there will be a new form of BDS,(MBS) Missing Bush Syndrome.I tkink I’m in the early stages now.
Throw another $100 billion on the fire.
Everyone doesn’t get care under “free” government health care, they get coverage. Actually getting the care is an entirely different issue. What ever you do don’t get old, and pray your elderly parents never get sick.
Just die already, moron. This country would be so much better off without worthless deadbeats like you. I’m so sick of you sorry-asses wanting someone else to take care of you. GET A JOB, LOSER, or GET THE HELL OUT OF THE COUNTRY! Try moving to one of those socialist utopias that get you all wet.
I just wonder what other agendas this guy has for us?
crickets….
I am outa here
All Americans do have healthcare. They are free to go to whatever doctor or healthcare facility they would like and pay for it.
And if anyone is not an American, then they are free to go to any emergency room in the country and never pay for it.
Thin ice chappy.
Obamageddon has alredy single handly ruined this country. He and the democratic congress has set us back 40 years!
Yep. Little by little, that’s how it gets done. Convince people that something is a right and not a privilege, usually by mentioning children or the downtrodden and including the stipulation of “if you don’t want it, you must not care,” then slipping it through as the media purposely looks the other way.
Hey Ihatemycountry – One guess why California is 40 BILLION dollars in debt with no way out except the bailout. And with the bailout, they’ll be no way out for anyone.
It has nothing to do with not wanting the children to get cared for and everything to do with not being able to afford it. You’ll see… when it’s too late, but you’ll see.
#47 Joy you have already seen what you can’t afford ILLEGAL ALIENS!
I know the answer. Universal health care run by the government.
Can anybody name one thing the government does more efficiently than private enterprise?
I’d say blow stuff up but it was a bunch of private scientists working in collaboration with the government who came up with the atom bomb, hydrogen bomb, and neutron bomb. Much like still to this day they rely on private companies like Boeing and many others to make all their military machinery. If we let the government make their own airplanes they would never fly very long.
So no, I can’t think of any one venture the government excels at well enough to beat out a private company doing the exact same thing.
This is something we will be paying for!
Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion
By CHRISTINE ARMARIO
Associated Press Writer
Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.
Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure.
Only Renelique didn’t arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.
What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic’s owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant’s umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
Police recovered the decomposing remains in a cardboard box a week later after getting anonymous tips.
“I don’t care what your politics are, what your morals are, this should not be happening in our community,” said Tom Pennekamp, a Miami attorney representing Williams in her lawsuit against Renelique (ren-uh-LEEK’) and the clinic owners.
The state Board of Medicine is to hear Renelique’s case in Tampa on Friday and determine whether to strip his license. The state attorney’s homicide division is investigating, though no charges have been filed. Terry Chavez, a spokeswoman with the Miami-Dade County State Attorney’s Office, said this week that prosecutors were nearing a decision.
Renelique’s attorney, Joseph Harrison, called the allegations at best “misguided and incomplete” in an e-mail to The Associated Press. He didn’t provide details.
The case has riled the anti-abortion community, which contends the clinic’s actions constitute murder.
“The baby was just treated as a piece of garbage,” said Tom Brejcha, president of The Thomas More Society, a law firm that is also representing Williams. “People all over the country are just aghast.”
Even those who support abortion rights are concerned about the allegations.
“It really disturbed me,” said Joanne Sterner, president of the Broward County chapter of the National Organization for Women, after reviewing the administrative complaint against Renelique. “I know that there are clinics out there like this. And I hope that we can keep (women) from going to these types of clinics.”
According to state records, Renelique received his medical training at the State University of Haiti. In 1991, he completed a four-year residency in obstetrics and gynecology at Interfaith Medical Center in New York.
New York records show that Renelique has made at least five medical malpractice payments in the past decade, the circumstances of which were not detailed in the filings.
Several attempts to reach Renelique were unsuccessful. Some of his office numbers were disconnected, no home number could be found and he did not return messages left with his attorney.
Williams struggled with the decision to have an abortion, Pennekamp said. She declined an interview request made through him.
She concluded she didn’t have the resources or maturity to raise a child, he said, and went to the Miramar Women’s Center on July 17, 2006. Sonograms indicated she was 23 weeks pregnant, according to the Department of Health. She met Renelique at a second clinic two days later.
Renelique gave Williams laminaria, a drug that dilates the cervix, and prescribed three other medications, according to the administrative complaint filed by the Health Department. She was told to go to yet another clinic, A Gyn Diagnostic Center in Hialeah, where the procedure would be performed the next day, on July 20, 2006.
Williams arrived in the morning and was given more medication.
The Department of Health account continues as follows: Just before noon she began to feel ill. The clinic contacted Renelique. Two hours later, he still hadn’t shown up. Williams went into labor and delivered the baby.
“She came face to face with a human being,” Pennekamp said. “And that changed everything.”
The complaint says one of the clinic owners, Belkis Gonzalez came in and cut the umbilical cord with scissors, then placed the baby in a plastic bag, and the bag in a trash can.
Williams’ lawsuit offers a cruder account: She says Gonzalez knocked the baby off the recliner chair where she had given birth, onto the floor. The baby’s umbilical cord was not clamped, allowing her to bleed out. Gonzalez scooped the baby, placenta and afterbirth into a red plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
No working telephone number could be found for Gonzalez, and an attorney who has represented the clinic in the past did not return a message.
At 23 weeks, an otherwise healthy fetus would have a slim but legitimate chance of survival. Quadruplets born at 23 weeks last year at The Nebraska Medical Center survived.
An autopsy determined Williams’ baby – she named her Shanice – had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health. The cause of death was listed as extreme prematurity.
The Department of Health believes Renelique committed malpractice by failing to ensure that licensed personnel would be present when Williams was there, among other missteps.
The department wants the Board of Medicine, a separate agency, to permanently revoke Renelique’s license, among other penalties. His license is currently restricted, permitting him to only perform abortions when another licensed physician is present and can review his medical records.
Should prosecutors file murder charges, they’d have to prove the baby was born alive, said Robert Batey, a professor of criminal law at Stetson University College of Law in Gulfport. The defense might contend that the child would have died anyway, but most courts would not allow that argument, he said.
“Hastening the death of an individual who is terminally ill is still considered causing the death of that individual,” Batey said. “And I think a court would rule similarly in this type of case.”
Since when have you folks become the people who pay for things?
If you had money you all would have gone to college, you all would send your children to school, you all would travel to exotic places and not hate people who look different or think different.
It’s easy to tell by the comments that none of you have done these things.
The SCHIP approach is going to quickly backfire on the Democrats & RINOs that support it. Politicians don’t seem to understand that it’s not politicians that provide health care, it’s health care providers.
Call up most any of your local clinics and ask them what their policy on new Medicaid (SCHIP) patients is and they’ll have one of several ‘rationing’ schemes, if they even take new Medicaid patients. So dumping a couple million more patients into Medicaid and SCHIP care is going to make things even worse for these folks than it already is, with longer wait lines at the few clinics that readily accept new Medicaid/SCHIP patients.
This is because SCHIP and Medicaid programs typically pay about 30 to 40 of regular fees. In many cases, paying less than the cost of providing care. Clinics typically end up making ends meet by limiting how many SCHIP patients they see and raising fees on ‘regular’ patients.
Go figure how politicians rationalize paying less than the going rate for government care. They require full fair for teachers, regardless of whether the kids are poor or not, they don’t pay workers on government programs less in poor districts than anywhere else. Except when it comes to health care…
Bottomline, don’t get on SCHIP programs if you want timely care.
#52 NEWS FLASH I went to college as a matter of fact I have 3 degrees! I most likely pay more in taxes and make more than you have in your entire life!
WHO THE F^()( are you to question anyone on this board?
Get a GRIP on life! The you can make assumptions of anyone!
Attention #52:
With those magical powers of perception you’ve got, what’s the winning powerball number for next week?
It’s nice to see someone deluded enough to pontificate that he knows all about all and can clearly see through our comments here to tell we are all just a bunch of uneducated dweebs.
Tell me, I’hate’mycountrymen, how did you acquire the esp necessary to arrive at your brilliant deductions? ANd don’t hide behind the cannard that you can “just tell.” That’s the out of a 14 year old. Oh, sorry.
You see, judging by the overall comments I see here, you’re about the only one that could use some time with a decent history book.
Is lovemycountry lgm or rusty in disguise,swooping and pooping?Where I am from you would be BANNED with asinine cracks like that.
Problem is the other half of the population (liberals) have bleeding hearts and so need double the health care so it’s a wash
College grad here who has been to many other countries and was in Germany and Australia for extended stays.
It’s easy to tell from your comments that you are not taking the meds the staff is bringing you. Now be a good boy or Nurse Ratched will forced to tell your mother about all of this.
I agree with you and the other posters about #52.
Is this clown actually as silly as he sounds, or is he purposely just throwing bombs to get responses from posters?
#52…
I didn’t have money, but I did go to college.
My daughters are not old enough for school yet, but when they are, I will teach them at home.
I have traveled to exotic places, such as Turkey, Kuwait, and Iraq. Or were you throwing out the word ‘exotic’ to mean ‘white sandy beaches, fruity drinks with little umbrellas delivered by scantily-clad girls, and no crazy people bombing the crap out of you’?
I try not to hate people that think differently than I do, however you make that rather difficult when you presume to paint all people who think differently than YOU with such a broad and erroneous brush.
CO out.
My solution. Allow the gov’t to build and run hospitals solely for the “needy”. The “needy” get the universal health care the libs desperately want. Of course the quality of care will be similar to every other socilaized nation’s health care system, but they get the care. Those who can afford private insurance (as it is today) sitll buy it and get the same quality of care they get today (among the best in the world). Why force this misery on everyone? Under a univesal care system, even private care providers will be over run with patients so that everyone suffers the ills of the system. When I need to take my child to the pediatrition, I sure don’t want to have a 30 day wait because some illegal alien child has a runny nose, which is sure to happen with universal health care. And if I, god forbid, have cancer someday, I can get in for an MRI the next day and not be put on a 45 day waiting list with some welfare recipient who never had a productive day in their life.
#49 John Deaux said:
prosecute war. (sorry, i had to say it.)
they’re also EXTREMELY efficient at running things into the ground.
the short answer is: no. there is nothing the government does that is inherently more efficient than private enterprise:
1. social security
2. medicare/medicaid
3. education
4. procurement of any commercially available good or service
Ilovemycountry
it’s rather simple why we don’t like universal health care…. it’s not your freaking right! You have no more right to health care than you have a right to a free house, a free car, free shoes, free food….oh, you’re a liberal you actually believe you have those rights…. Read your Constitution, Marxist!