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1. #101
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am, CCM said:

   need2voice – No, you don’t get it. “this rant about Ashley” IS ABOUT HER HYPOCRISY. Let’s take abortion out of it.

   If she TRULY cared about animal suffering, this video would be about the billions of animals “raised” for food. Those animals live unnatural, horrible, painful and fearful lives. The suffering is horrendous! At least these wolves live a normal life in the wild up until they are shot. Their suffering at the hand of man is NOTHING compared to so-called food farm animals.

   Anyone complaining about Sarah Palin hunting animals or the efforts to reduce wolf overpopulation had BETTER BE VEGETARIAN. Do not criticize unless you are doing everything possible to alleviate all animal suffering at the hand of man.

2. #102
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am, Misscheryl said:

   These are the same people who buy Beneful their dogs…because it has vegetables in it. Here’s a clue..dogs are carnivors. They don’t eat vegetables. Dogs are not people, let alone your children.

   car·ni·vore (kär’nə-vôr’, -vōr’) Pronunciation Key
   n.
   A flesh-eating animal.

3. #103
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:52 am, CCM said:

   My point being that Ashley is the one using a “card” here, not Michelle. She pulled out the “look at the mean lady shooting fluffy wolves” card to hurt Sarah Palin, not to help animals.

4. #104
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:52 am, chapoutier said:

   Anyone complaining about Sarah Palin hunting animals or the efforts to reduce wolf overpopulation had BETTER BE VEGETARIAN. Do not criticize unless you are doing everything possible to alleviate all animal suffering at the hand of man.

   Ashley is a vegetarian. So I guess it’s cool now. We can all move on to something else.

5. #105
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am, frostrt said:

   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am, CCM said:

   Anyone complaining about Sarah Palin hunting animals or the efforts to reduce wolf overpopulation had BETTER BE VEGETARIAN. Do not criticize unless you are doing everything possible to alleviate all animal suffering at the hand of man.

   —————————————-

   Well, we’re agreed that anyone who’s going to “talk that talk” had better be “walking that walk”. That’s why I don’t condemn Palin’s hunting, or what they are doing to decrease the wolf population.

   This was, in fact, more of an excuse for her to take another shot – you should pardon the expression – at Palin, who she never liked due to Palin’s pro-life position on abortion. That is exactly where the hypocrisy comes in.

6. #106
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Salt said:

   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am, Misscheryl said:

   it’s an appeal to pity feel guilty

   fixed it for you. Has anyone ever noticed how the left depends on making others feel guilty about any and all issues. I thought they believed this to be a tool used only by religious zealots…silly me.

   I was speaking more in terms of the logical fallacy, “appeal to pity”, as a tactic.

   I agree with the spirit you suggest, but I stick by pity. I don’t believe that Ms. Judd is aiming her comments at the people that do it, but rather the rest of America that does not have to live with these kinds of decisions.

   However, it is satisfying to know that radical Hollyweird is still so frightened by Sarah Palin.

7. #107
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:56 am, frostrt said:

   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am, Misscheryl said:
   These are the same people who buy Beneful their dogs…because it has vegetables in it. Here’s a clue..dogs are carnivors. They don’t eat vegetables. Dogs are not people, let alone your children.

   car·ni·vore (kär’nə-vôr’, -vōr’) Pronunciation Key
   n.
   A flesh-eating animal.

   —————————————

   According to hard-line animal rights people, there is really no difference between us and any other living creature. Whey, then, do they not try to persuade (through intimidation, if need be), carnivorous animals to change their meat-eating ways the way they do other people?

   Because they can’t be reasoned with the way other people can? Well, then they’re not the same as us. Which is it, PETA people?

8. #108
   On February 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

   Just checked the Wiki- before Judd dropped out of the University of Kentucky, she began a minor in womyns studies.

   That explains a lot.

   Anyway, she is 40, with any luck, her clock is winding down and she’ll have no children of her own, and will propagate the “Roe Effect”.

9. #109
   On February 6th, 2009 at 12:01 pm, Misscheryl said:

   However, it is satisfying to know that radical Hollyweird is still so frightened by Sarah Palin

   D.I.T.T.O.

   Real women are scary! Ask the gals on “The View”

10. #110
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:01 pm, rowsdower said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am, Misscheryl saidHere’s a clue..dogs are carnivors. They don’t eat vegetables.

    Actually, Misscheryl, I believe technically that dogs/wolves are regarded as omnivores-they eat anything (included the stomach contents of their vegetable/grain eating prey)but they are primarily meat eaters and your argument is, of course,valid.Proof of dogs not eating meat exclusively is my dog’s fondness for bananas and Italian bread.

11. #111
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pm, Salt said:

    My apologies if I’ve duplicated anyone’s post, but Sarah Palin did respond to the ad on Tuesday:

    “It is reprehensible and hypocritical that the Defenders of Wildlife would use Alaska and my administration as a fundraising tool to deceive Americans into parting with their hard-earned money.”

    “The ad campaign by this extreme fringe group, as Alaskans have witnessed over the last several years, distorts the facts about Alaska’s wildlife management programs. Alaskans depend on wildlife for food and cultural practices which can’t be sustained when predators are allowed to decimate moose and caribou populations. Our predator control programs are scientific and successful at protecting vulnerable wildlife. These audacious fundraising attempts misrepresent what goes on in Alaska, and I encourage people to learn the facts about Alaska’s positive record of managing wildlife for abundance.”

    “Shame on the Defenders of Wildlife for twisting the truth in an effort to raise funds from innocent and hard-pressed Americans struggling with these rough economic times.”

12. #112
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    If one accepts (as a believer in evolution guided by a higher power, I can handle it) that chimpanzees are our closest animal relatives, genetically, it is no mystery that most humans consume meat.

    Chimps, social animals, work together to trap and eat a monkey (who clearly doesn’t enjoy being eaten alive by chimpanzees).

13. #113
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, chep said:

    I’m all for predator control. The people in the lower 48 have no sense of predator control until their children and pets are eaten.

14. #114
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, Misscheryl said:

    rowsdower said..

    incorrect rowsdower – they will eat anything..but in the wild they only eat meat unless of course you’ve see a dog crazing in a corn field or eating berries of a bush lately?

15. #115
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, Misscheryl said:

    ooppss…self correct “grazing..” duh me

16. #116
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, frostrt said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, Misscheryl said:
    rowsdower said..
    incorrect rowsdower – they will eat anything..but in the wild they only eat meat unless of course you’ve see a dog crazing in a corn field or eating berries of a bush lately?

    ————————————–

    Italian bread is hard to come by in the wild, doncha know.

    

17. #117
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, swmntman said:

    Trollman said: swmntman, all of the people that I have known who refer to God as “G-d”

    Fair enough – thanks Trollman. My comment was more from being tired of the PC culture, but I appreciate your comment as well as the applied reverence to G-d.

18. #118
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:11 pm, Misscheryl said:

    frostrt – your vet will probably have some choice words for all of you who feed your dogs people food…

    but I digress.

19. #119
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, J S Ragman said:

    Just tell Ashley that the wolves being shot were the ones that walked away from the Wolf Planned Parenthood Clinic, where they were given birth control counselling and abortions on demand. Problem solved.

20. #120
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, rowsdower said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, Misscheryl said:

    I believe that’s what I was saying:That they can survive on non-meat diets but they need meat to thrive.

21. #121
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, frostrt said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:11 pm, Misscheryl said:
    frostrt – your vet will probably have some choice words for all of you who feed your dogs people food…

    but I digress.

    ————————————-

    My family has had dogs and, I must confess, we have been guilty of feeding them “people food”. We knew we shouldn’t have.

    The cat I took care of on my own only begged for fish or chicken. Otherwise, she didn’t really seem to care what I was eating.

    I was actually referencing rowsdowser saying that HIS dog likes Italian bread.

22. #122
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, frostrt said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, rowsdower said:
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, Misscheryl said:
    I believe that’s what I was saying:That they can survive on non-meat diets but they need meat to thrive.

    ————————————–

    Such a dilemma for PETA people who want to make their pets “vegans”.

    Could it be . . . maybe . . . what you want goes against nature?

23. #123
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, Misscheryl said:

    sorry frostrt – I missread..actually I should read instead of skimming posts…forgive

24. #124
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, frostrt said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, Misscheryl said:
    sorry frostrt – I missread..actually I should read instead of skimming posts…forgive

    ————————————-

    But of course . . . you and me, we seem to be on the same page with regard to most issues. And “people food” really isn’t the healthiest thing for a pet.

25. #125
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, swede said:

    TRAGEDY ON THE HUDSON

    The

26. #126
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:38 pm, jbirish said:

    SHUT UP AND ACT!!!

27. #127
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pm, CCM said:

    Chap, darling, I know Ashley is a vegetarian. That is the only thing redeeming about her (I have been one for 20 years).

    The point I was making was that she made a video against predator reduction SOLELY to hurt Sarah Palin, not to ACTUALLY HELP these wolves. She is a hypocrite, although a transparent one.

28. #128
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm, pianoman said:

    All this talk of dogs (and I have three wonderful friends at home…well, two and a half, one’s a Chihuahua) brings to mind an old Bible verse which sums up nicely:

    Prov.26:11 (ASV)
    “As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly”

    P.S. the Chihuahua likes carrots, but he’s a little slow…I think he thinks they’re soft bones.

29. #129
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, MrOlympia said:

    Ashley Judd…..cough cough sputter AHEM….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

30. #130
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm, Jvette said:

    And yet, Ms. Judd has no problem with the control of human population through abortion.

31. #131
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, Soliel said:

    I think there is blindness on both sides.

    YES, Ashley Judd is being blind to the killing of abortions and should rethink her stance.

    But those who think nothing of killing animals need to re-think their positions, too. Killing innocent animals is not good, not right and harms our souls just as abortion does.

    Both are ugly and unGodly and we need to rethink both activities.

    I will take the first step…I acknowlegde the BOTH are forms of killing that we should avoid.

32. #132
    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, Joy said:

    Pianoman – I have a friend who has 2 dalmations, and they both LOVE carrots.

33. #133
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, undresiege said:

    Soooo, Judd has her own pet issue which she is passionate about. Yet, you assume she’s even heard a frickin thing about the botched abortion case, and attack her for not comdemning it.
    Okay, I’ll play.

    Malkin, you seem to have lots of pet “causes”. Why have you never blogged about Jennifer Porter and her getting away with driving over two ghetto kids, fleeing and yet avoiding jail time?
    Where is the outrage and remorse for the Jennifer Hudson situation on this blog?
    Yeah, pretty stupid, huh?

    Whether it’s Patricia Heaton, Jon Voight, or Ashley Judd, celebrities have their pet causes. It’s good to believe in something and have passion about things other than your own well being. It’s pretty clever that your desire to defend all things Palin gave you a chance to preach about a botched abortion, not.

34. #134
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm, Dimsdale said:

    “She was a sister of the sorority Kappa Kappa Gamma and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa at the University of Kentucky, where she majored in French and minored in cultural anthropology, art history, theater, and women’s studies.”

    Well there you go. All useful tools for determining the benefits and science behind effective wildlife management.

    Maybe she can give us a lecture on AGW now…

35. #135
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm, Desert Dave said:

    Just read her page on IMDB and I thought surely there must be a few movies she made that were actually good. Well there’s 2–Heat (very small part) and double jeopardy (so-so movie). Other than that, for an actress her age she has very few credits and most movies she’s made are just bloody awful (Bug, as mentioned before is just one). I guess she’s just too busy with her militant feminism and vegan projects.

36. #136
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:03 pm, greenfairie said:

    Best. Column. Ever.

    Ashley Judd is a ghoul who isn’t merely pro-choice but actually exhults in the slaughter of unborn children. Sure she is bassackwards leftist who values the lives of cockroaches over babies. But this ad is out of fear for her right to keep her womb a death oven than her love for cuddly creatures that could bite her face off and give her rabies.

37. #137
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:05 pm, EWTHeckman said:

    Soliel wrote:

    Killing innocent animals is not good, not right and harms our souls just as abortion does.

    Both are … unGodly and we need to rethink both activities.

    That is contrary to what I know of the Bible. Scripture please…

38. #138
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:09 pm, Trollman said:

    Soliel said:

    I think there is blindness on both sides.

    YES, Ashley Judd is being blind to the killing of abortions and should rethink her stance.

    But those who think nothing of killing animals need to re-think their positions, too. Killing innocent animals is not good, not right and harms our souls just as abortion does.

    Both are ugly and unGodly and we need to rethink both activities.

    I will take the first step…I acknowlegde the BOTH are forms of killing that we should avoid.

    So you are actually comparing the killing of human children for the sake of convenience to killing animals? We kill animals to 1. eat, 2. to protect wildlife.

    Killing babies for convenience is inherently immoral, and the other is perfectly moral.

    You are insane.

39. #139
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Ashley is a vegetarian. So I guess it’s cool now. We can all move on to something else.

    Let’s move on to her shoulder bag that has the leather handle on it. She’s a hypocritical …..

40. #140
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Proof of dogs not eating meat exclusively is my dog’s fondness for bananas and Italian bread.

    That reminds me of an Italian politician…

41. #141
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm, chapoutier said:

    Let’s move on to her shoulder bag that has the leather handle on it. She’s a hypocritical …..

    You’d be amazed at how far pleather technology has advanced in the past few years. We really are on the verge of a Pleather 2.0 revolution.

    But if you say its leather, I’ll just have to bow your superior knowledge of women’s handbags, Aloha.

42. #142
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm, chapoutier said:

    That reminds me of an Italian politician…

    Aloha, have you seen pics of Ukraine’s Prime Minister, Yulia Volodymyrivna Tymoshenko? Not as stunning as your belle, but I think her attractiveness to actual power ratio is much higher.

43. #143
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm, Bogtrotter said:

    Having spent 32 years living in Alaska I now more about the wildlife situation than Ashley Judd ever will.

    The impression is that hunting wolves is done for fun and sport from planes. B.S. it is done to insure that villagers will have moose to hunt for their survival.

    I have also heard critics claim that the wolves only kill the old and weak. More B.S. When the snow is deep, all moose are easy prey and the wolves take advantage of it, killing is their nature and they do not just do it when they are hungry.

    For decades people in Alaska have said that if the critics would like to catch and transport wolves to their states, feel free.

    I have also heard that hunting wolves from a plane is not sporting. It is NOT a sport. And getting hunters on the ground a few hundred miles out in the bush would be much more costly and they would be unlikely to even see a wolf, let alone shoot one.

    Fortunatly, Alaska does not let outsiders determine what is best when it comes to predator control.

    Ashley Judd is a misinformed clown.

44. #144
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm, Joy said:

    The veins in her neck are about to pop.

    That’s what hysterical looks like.

    I agree with those who don’t like the way most food-animals are treated. That’s why I’m mostly vegetarian. But I do not push that lifestyle on others.

    And I don’t take issue with folks who hunt and eat what they kill. Wildlife Management is what the hunting groups do best. There is a need for what they do and it prevents many animals from dying a horrific death from starvation.

45. #145
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pm, vickisoup said:

    Awww…poor wittle wolvesies, writhing in pain, when they wouldn’t hurt a fly. OK. I’m with others who call for Sarah Palin, in an act of bipartisan outreach, to giftwrap a wild wolf and ship it to Ashley Judd’s house. Leave off the muzzle. They can cuddle all night.
    

46. #146
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Leave Ashley alone! She’s trying to give meaning and purpose to her life!

47. #147
    On February 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pm, DanGrantTx said:

    Let’s summarize Ashley, shall we?

    a) Coming close to has-been with her last movies mostly box-office flops

    b) Needs free publicity

    c) Dimwitted observations about “not following science” shows she knows nothing about biology or population dynamics

    d) Relies on her name and not her talent

    Summary of evidence: attack on Sarah Palin is a pathetic attempt to gain free publicity since her career stalled. She has no foundation upon which to make a scientifically valid case, so she resorts to cheap emotional theatrics to make an unsupported, ignorant viewpoint.

    She is treading into Rosie O’Donnell territory–big mouth, no facts and conclusions that are non-sequitur.

48. #148
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, vickisoup said:

    The Rosie comparison is a good one. When Judd opens her mouth to speak, she looks exactly like Rosie to me. Ugly is as ugly says.
    

49. #149
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, Me said:

    I had a dog that was part wolf. Beautiful creature. The difference between him and an undomesticated (though just as beautiful) wolf is that my dog never took out cattle or wildlife that native peoples depended on.
    Ashley Judd is just like any other foolish, leftist celebrity. Nothing from the real world ever touches her. As if she cared about conservation from the beginning! This is selective insolence, pure and simple. If Sarah Palin was right in front of her, you bet she would keep her mouth shut. It doesn’t take much to be a coward.

50. #150
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm, rightisright said:

    Gov. Palin scares the hell out of the left, I enjoy leaning back and watching them squirm, whine and cry over the words and actions by an honest, caring, family loving, woman with morals and values that they themselves can’t get a grasp of.
    ASSley Judd typical lefty, distort the message with lies to gain sympathy from the “feel gooders”, what BS

51. #151
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, Trollman said:

    I have a question for the vegetarians, and I am being serious.

    What do vegetarians eat? I’m trying to cut back my meat intake, but I can eat carrots until I lose the will to live and yet never actually get full. How do vegetarians fill up?

    The only vegetarian options I know to fill up on is if you load up on carbs – which will make you fat. What am I missing?

52. #152
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, DBNinKY said:

    But those who think nothing of killing animals need to re-think their positions, too. Killing innocent animals is not good, not right and harms our souls just as abortion does.

    I am very much in agreement and should have stated so earlier, but my offense at Judd’s continual attacks on Sarah Palin (she attacked McCain-Palin last summer at a pro-abortion rally) just got the better of me.

    Had she not done that, I would be in full agreement with Judd’s stance on on saving wolves and wildlife management in general – I mean, how does one manage wildlife, i.e., is it really wild if humans manage it? And as for controlled kills/herd culling, where’s the logic in killing animals to save animals?

    But you’re right, and I say this as a pro-gun rights and NRA supporter, humanity is lessened by its mistreatment of defenseless animals. Just look at Abu Grahib – I’d all but guarantee that the people who disgraced our military with their unsoldier-like actions, abused animals when they were young.

53. #153
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, rightisright said:

    dogs will eat damn near anything, but place a bowl of fresh meat out and a bowl of fresh veggies next to it, which one do you think they’ll go for 1st? Trust me, their not vegetarians.

54. #154
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, CCM said:

    rightisright said:
    Gov. Palin scares the hell out of the left, I enjoy leaning back and watching them squirm, whine and cry over the words and actions by an honest, caring, family loving, woman with morals and values that they themselves can’t get a grasp of.

    I agree. It feels good to know that the left is squirming over her. It just reaffirms my support. But I don’t enjoy watching them lie to and manipulate all the idiots out there. That’s what they do best though…

55. #155
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Killing innocent animals is not good

    as opposed to what? Guilty animals? It’s ok to kill guilty ones?

56. #156
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, undresiege said:

    Gov. Palin scares the hell out of the left

    LOL yeah right. It was rather fun seeing her cost McCain the election by running independents and moderates away.

    Run her in 2012. Please? Pretty please?
    Once the laughing and highfives subside, the left will expose her incompetence once again.

57. #157
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm, vickisoup said:

    To DBNinKY: God gave dominion over animals to humans (Genesis 1:26), and granted permission to use them for food (Genesis 9:2-3). Comparing mankind’s discriminate killing of animals for food to the killing of unborn babies (for ANY reason) is beyond idiocy.

58. #158
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm, vickisoup said:

    Oh, sorry, meant to add: Discriminate thinning of certain wildlife, which does not provide food, to preserve animals that do provide food, would inferentially be permissable as well. The Almighty is reasonable about such things.

59. #159
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm, rightisright said:

    LOL yeah right. It was rather fun seeing her cost McCain the election by running independents and moderates away.

    Where did you get that, McShame beat himself, you probably know how, just in case you don’t, he was too damn LIBERAL for the base. If not for the Gov. it would have been a land slide. I knew he was terrible candidate when the LMS liked him.

60. #160
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, vickisoup said:

    To undresiege: Is your moniker misspelled?
    

61. #161
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pm, SSG David Medzyk said:

    Call me silly, but I adore a woman that can get off a kill shot from the moving platform of a helicopter.

    HOOAH!!

62. #162
    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, swmntman said:

    undresiege said: the left will expose her incompetence once again.

    Haha – Ok undre — do you really want to talk about incompetency? How ya liking your president now? Nothing like a community organizer in the top spot, huh? Hahahaha — little leaguers trying to make it in the big leagues!

63. #163
    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm, vickisoup said:

    I agree – I’m pro-life and am not daring to compare the killing of animals to the slaughter that is abortion, in any way – but I cannot condone the mistreatment of animals, even wolves, in the name of wildlife management.

64. #164
    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:03 pm, SSG David Medzyk said:

    Oh “undies-siezed”, Mac’s numbers stayed UP with Palin. Had all the fence sitters gone away, the numbers should have dropped.

    Mac failed us honest Conservatives by trying to win over the fence siters. Palin kept us in reality.

    “PALIN 2012″!!

65. #165
    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:05 pm, Trollman said:

    DBNinKY said:

    Had she not done that, I would be in full agreement with Judd’s stance on on saving wolves and wildlife management in general – I mean, how does one manage wildlife, i.e., is it really wild if humans manage it? And as for controlled kills/herd culling, where’s the logic in killing animals to save animals?

    If you let predators get out of control, it kills off the animals that serve as prey. So what you end up with is a bunch of predators who slowly starve to death.

    Would you rather be shot to death, or slowly be starved to death?

66. #166
    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm, SSG David Medzyk said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, DBNinKY said:
    On February 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm,
    

    vickisoup said:
    I agree – I’m pro-life and am not daring to compare the killing of animals to the slaughter that is abortion, in any way – but I cannot condone the mistreatment of animals, even wolves, in the name of wildlife management.

    No mistreatment. Do not let a heavily doctored video sway you.

    Too many wolves, mean many less Caribou, deer, moose, lesser critters, and rampant disease through the wolf packs. Wolves, coyotes, regular dogs, all are known to kill just to kill. There is no culling of the weak in a herd, only of the offering. If a Caibou is cut out of a herd, it loses the protection of the herd, and will be slowly killed by numerous bites until it bleeds out. That’s nature, the same nature we are part of. Difference is, we can use actual intelligence to know the difference in killing for killings sake, and management of wildlife.

    All wolves will not be killed, as that will set up a new disaster of overpopulation of prey animals. The resulting rampant disease and starvation is horrible to see, especially when we, as caring humans, can keep it from happening by good management.

    Sarah Palin is a good wildlife manager.

67. #167
    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, chapoutier said:

    Re:

    Undresiege. This has GOT to be someone who was banned reposting under this name as a takeoff of my favorite crazy poster, undrseige aka Goldwater Knight.

68. #168
    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:53 pm, vickisoup said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm, SSG David Medzyk said: Sarah Palin is a good wildlife manager.

    Absolutely. And it is humane. Ask a Caribou or a deer whether it would rather die by a bullet it can’t see coming, or suffer the slow death of being eaten alive by wolves after running for your life for 5 minutes. Just sayin’…..

69. #169
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, John Deaux said:

    Whatever happened to Goldwater Knight?

    Oh, undresiege, your dialog sounds like one of those villains from a bad 60′s spy movie. That would make you the Dr Evil of morons.

70. #170
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:23 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Judd vs. Palin!
    Ashley Judd is waging a war of words against Sarah Palin, and Alaska’s governor is firing back! Why Judd can’t remain silent. Tonight, 9 ET

    Guess what decrepit old man is giving Judd a forum tonight on CNN…

71. #171
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    But if you say its leather, I’ll just have to bow your superior knowledge of women’s handbags, Aloha.

    Really, you can’t tell Pleather from Leather in a grainy photo? My knowledge comes from years of holding one while the shoppng frenzy roils the nearby aisles…

72. #172
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, need2voice said:

    yeah, this response was rich:

    “It is reprehensible and hypocritical that the Defenders of Wildlife would use Alaska and my administration as a fundraising tool to deceive Americans into parting with their hard-earned money.”

    Does she mean the $150 she’s paying for each foreleg? That hard earned money ($150) that the people shooting from the airplane need? Seems to me if your riding in a plane or piloting a plane, you really don’t need $150.

    “The ad campaign by this extreme fringe group, as Alaskans have witnessed over the last several years, distorts the facts about Alaska’s wildlife management programs. Alaskans depend on wildlife for food and cultural practices which can’t be sustained when predators are allowed to decimate moose and caribou populations. Our predator control programs are scientific and successful at protecting vulnerable wildlife. These audacious fundraising attempts misrepresent what goes on in Alaska, and I encourage people to learn the facts about Alaska’s positive record of managing wildlife for abundance.”

    I’m learning the facts here and it doesn’t add up. Hunters are the ones killing the wolves …. hmm… I wonder what ever happened to sitting in the brush, all dresses in camo, smelling like your preys pee and WAITING for your catch? Shooting from a plane is not hunting, its a disgrace. Kind of reminds me of how they hunt up here in WA state. The hunters sit in the trucks and wait for the deer to walk by. Its a joke.

    “Shame on the Defenders of Wildlife for twisting the truth in an effort to raise funds from innocent and hard-pressed Americans struggling with these rough economic times.”

    Again, are those riding in the planes really the ones struggling with rough economic times?

    I’m all for animal control and hunting them appropriately, the right way. But not from a plane – its disgusting and I’m glad Ashley Judd brought this to light. Now if you all would just see it for that and not bring the abortion card into it, then you would have a great argument. But your postings and responses, ie: Too bad Winona didn’t have an abortion or Ashley can’t act in her movies just make you sound ridiculous !!

73. #173
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, swmntman said:

    Aloha said: comes from years of holding one while the shoppng frenzy roils the nearby aisles…

    Do you hold it at arms length away from your body, too? Dang, I hate that.

74. #174
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Aloha, have you seen pics of Ukraine’s Prime Minister, Yulia Volodymyrivna Tymoshenko? Not as stunning as your belle, but I think her attractiveness to actual power ratio is much higher.

    In that photo she looks like the Ukraine’s first Amish Prime Minister – which is a stunning achievement – Hope and Change at it’s best.

    I think you meant to use this photo which does indeed vault her into the upper echelon of politicians world-wide.

75. #175
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, undresiege said:

    #164
    Uhh, no.

    McCain got a bounce with Palin and he was either tied or in a slight lead according to most polls a week after the Palin pick. As Palin began to talk and talk, and the wonderful Couric interview occurred folks started jumping ship, but for the “base” who adore the Alaskan Annie Oakley.

    If you care to know the polling facts, do a google search of Palin’s favorablity numbers and track them from the GOP convention until the day of the election.

    I know “the base” on this blog likes to act like you don’t need moderate party members and independents to win elections. I’m glad this stupidity is in your party “base”, and I hope it spreads. Unfortunately for the left, I think smart guys like Pawlenty and Steele are going to try to fix this problem, despite the rabid, rigid ideology of “the base”.
    Still, as a Democrat, I urge you, no beg of you, to do everything in your power to make sure Sarah Pitbull Palin is the nominee in 2012. It would be a relief….comic relief as well.

76. #176
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, undresiege said:

    To undresiege: Is your moniker misspelled?

    Nah, it has special meaning for me. My grandpa Undre Seige, Jr. was once hiking in the Alaskan wilderness when he was sniped out, shot in the head from a hillbilly in a helicopter hunting wild animals. It was a terrible tragedy, and I don’t want to discuss it any further Ms. Soup, say hello to your husband “Talk” God bless.

77. #177
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:07 pm, vickisoup said:

    LOL! Will do, Undre.
    

78. #178
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pm, Salt said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, need2voice said:

    You’re free to disagree with the governor’s point of view, but you might want to invest a little bit more effort in understanding it first. It’s clear by your knee-jerk response that you really don’t understand it.

    I’m learning the facts here and it doesn’t add up. Hunters are the ones killing the wolves …. hmm… I wonder what ever happened to sitting in the brush, all dresses in camo, smelling like your preys pee and WAITING for your catch? Shooting from a plane is not hunting, its a disgrace.

    You’ve never been hunting, have you? When you can explain how setting up a blind will work on an animal that does not graze, you might have a point.

    Besides which, we are not talking about hunting. We are talking about culling a predator, not for sport or food, but to protect the abundance of their natural prey, the moose and caribou.

    I’m all for animal control and hunting them appropriately, the right way. But not from a plane – its disgusting …

    So this is really about your emoting about the technique and not the fact that they are killing wolves? Are you certain you’re in line with Ashley’s group? Somehow I doubt it’s really about the technique and more about the results.

    …and what, pray tell, is the “right” way to cull a predator? You sound as though you have done hardly any investigation into the issue outside of reading the talking points. How is a bullet fired from a plane more disgusting than a bullet fired from the ground?

    But your postings and responses, ie: Too bad Winona didn’t have an abortion

    I looked and could not find anyone here that said that. Are you setting up a strawman?

79. #179
    On February 6th, 2009 at 6:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    That hard earned money ($150) that the people shooting from the airplane need? Seems to me if your riding in a plane or piloting a plane, you really don’t need $150.

    That’s not what she said. Reading comprehension would help.

80. #180
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, need2voice said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Patronedheart said:
    Too bad Naomi didn’t abort.
    Off to shoot some squirrels infesting my attic.

    My bad, I wrote down the wrong woman. It should have been Naomi aborting and not Winona. And no, I’m setting up a strawman, whatever the heck that means.

81. #181
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:46 pm, flmom said:

    My knowledge comes from years of holding one while the shoppng frenzy roils the nearby aisles…

    Now that was funny, I feel for you Aloha, seen many a poor husband on one of my shopping frenzies, namely, Black Friday.

82. #182
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:49 pm, Patronedheart said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, need2voice said:
    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Patronedheart said:

    Yup! and proud of it.

83. #183
    On February 6th, 2009 at 8:21 pm, cngerms said:

    OK, I want you folks to take it easy on ol’ dumbashley.

    As an avid predator hunter, I’m utilizing my years of predator hunting experience and study to offer you an explanation for her actions. She’s merely engaging in self-preservation, correct? Wolves are predators as are COUGARS. Isn’t Ashley married to a man 5 years her junior? It’s all so simple.

    Now, if Sarah Palin would promote an aerial cougar hunt in Hollywood, then we’d have some video worth watching.

84. #184
    On February 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm, cngerms said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, Soliel said:
    But those who think nothing of killing animals need to re-think their positions, too. Killing innocent animals is not good, not right and harms our souls just as abortion does.

    Soliel, it appears to me as though you have a very uninformed view of hunters and hunting itself. Hunters DO NOT “think nothing of killing.” You are not thinking! Hunters have the greatest appreciation of life. Animal rights activists don’t have a monoply of love for animals. Hunters see up close and personal the price paid to feed their families AND OTHERS and they take great pains to act humanely and ethically. Have you ever heard of “Hunters for the Hungry?” Look them up sometime and educate yourself, please. If your God disapproves of their efforts because of some unscriptural “harms our souls” doctrine, as you put it, I question the theology which brought you to that conclusion. God in scripture clearly awards man dominion over his creatures. I’m confident that includes harvesting and eating them. When you are the hunter harvesting and then field dressing one of God’s creatures so that you can put meat on your table or the table of another, you develop a tremendous respect for God’s creation and the provisions He offers us. Also, hunters fully understand the delicate balance of predator vs. prey and they are well-versed in the practices which keep both populations healthy and in check. Spend some time pondering the last minutes of a deer crippled by a car vs. one humanely hunted and nearly immediately killed.

    In closing, I’d like to chime in on the carnivore vs. omnivore discussion. In the Fall, Virginia coyote scat is roughly 70% persimmon according to a study conducted at Virginia Tech.

85. #185
    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:07 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Now that was funny, I feel for you Aloha, seen many a poor husband on one of my shopping frenzies, namely, Black Friday.

    Actually AlohaGal thinks I’m a pretty good shopper. Patient and I’ll carry the loot. Black Friday is another story…

86. #186
    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:44 pm, Stillwaiting said:

    I used to really enjoy watching Ashley on late night talk shows. She was so pretentious, not realizing how foolish she looked. She’s worked hard to be taken seriously for her thoughts, but outside of lalaland it’s a lost cause for her.

87. #187
    On February 7th, 2009 at 1:41 am, regularguy said:

    I would have had a comment earlier, but I had to research just who the hell this zero (ie Judd) is. I must be behind the times, I not only didn’t know who she is, I didn’t know she’s so worthless.

88. #188
    On February 7th, 2009 at 2:38 pm, Divapalooza said:

    I saw her on the Clinton News Network last night. What a waste of funding that goes into the Larry King Live production. Could we be any more wasteful?

89. #189
    On February 7th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, undresiege said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, need2voice said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Patronedheart said:
    Too bad Naomi didn’t abort.
    Off to shoot some squirrels infesting my attic.

    My bad, I wrote down the wrong woman. It should have been Naomi aborting and not Winona. And no, I’m setting up a strawman, whatever the heck that means.

    Well there you go Salt. Many conservatives also attacked another female conservative columnist when she refused to back Palin, by sending out “wishes” that she had been aborted. What say you about conservatives who wish abortions on liberals they loathe? Hmmmmm?

90. #190
    On February 7th, 2009 at 9:53 pm, miron said:

    But those who think nothing of killing animals need to re-think their positions, too. Killing innocent animals is not good, not right and harms our souls just as abortion does.

    Both are ugly and unGodly and we need to rethink both activities.

    I will take the first step…I acknowlegde the BOTH are forms of killing that we should avoid.

    I hope you don’t plan on eating anything with chicken, pork, beef, or similar ingredients from now on. Poor innocent animals! Being slaughtered for food!

    I’m now going down to my kitchen and grill some pork chops.

91. #191
    On February 7th, 2009 at 10:09 pm, Patronedheart said:

    On February 7th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, undresiege said:
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:02 pm, need2voice said:
    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Patronedheart said:
    Too bad Naomi didn’t abort.
    Off to shoot some squirrels infesting my attic.
    My bad, I wrote down the wrong woman. It should have been Naomi aborting and not Winona. And no, I’m setting up a strawman, whatever the heck that means.
    Well there you go Salt. Many conservatives also attacked another female conservative columnist when she refused to back Palin, by sending out “wishes” that she had been aborted. What say you about conservatives who wish abortions on liberals they loathe? Hmmmmm?

    Get a life, dude. The fact of the matter is that we wouldn’t know who the hell she is if she wasn’t conceived in the first place. My point (which will probably fall on stupidity’s ears) is that these narcissistic pukes are so proud of themselves for their insignificant accomplishments that they fail to realize how blessed they are by the God that gave them their (so-called)talents, and their very lives. If they used one iota of their talent to save HUMAN lives that they use to fight for meaningless causes, the senseless murder of innocent babies might be greatly reduced. In that regard, their accomplishments are meaningless. Nobody attacked anybody else. Get over yourself.

92. #192
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm, undresiege said:

    Look whose back to check on how their stuff played. Don’t worry, your fellow conservatives let you skate. You people crack me up.

    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Patronedheart said:
    Too bad Naomi didn’t abort.
    Off to shoot some squirrels infesting my attic.

    These are your words dummy. Don’t try to backtrack and spin. You said “Too bad Naomi didn’t abort.”

    Own it. You’re too much of a coward to stand by your own freaken words. What, you’re worried about what the other conservatives will think about you? You forgot that you save your “nasty stuff” for youtube and Savage Nation. I could give a crap about abortion, but at least I’m not a gutless phony like you.

    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Patronedheart said:
    Too bad Naomi didn’t abort.

    Of course that earns a “Stay classy Patronedheart”. It’s a good thing your mom didn’t abort, because I wouldn’t have had the good laugh provided by post #191. Laughing Out Loud

93. #193
    On February 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am, Patronedheart said:

    Well well well! Looks who’s back to see if anybody cares what they think!
    By the way, if you had squirrels eating through your electric lines, causing thousands of dollars in damages to your house, I’m sure you’d be inclined to shoot a few yourself, but I digress.
    While sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, it apparently it was lost on you. I couldn’t care less what people think of what I say. I’m held to a higher accountability than that of my fellow man. But, I’ll humor you. Perhaps what I should have said is that it’s ironic that Ashley was allowed to have a life that allows her to support something denies the same right to millions of other human beings. All my other conservative friends here already realize that, and know me well enough that I would never advocate the senseless killing of babies. I have 2 children, and another on the way.
    I do, however, support the God given right to hunt, no matter how it’s done. Also, my mother was too smart to make stupid decisions like:
    1. Having sex out of wedlock
    2. Getting pregnant out of wedlock
    3. Killing a human being for the convenience of not having to take responsibility for #’s 1 and 2.
    So, stuff it bozo.

94. #194
    On February 8th, 2009 at 11:54 am, greenLibertarian said:

    It’s good that Michelle understands the need to reduce the numbers of predators that unbalance and would destroy an ecosystem. If only she would consider the need for humans, the dominant predator on this planet, to reduce their numbers also. We are destroying our habitat and other species too.

95. #195
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:58 pm, Salt said:

    I find it interesting that the only part of my comment to which undresiege and need2voice responded to was the last, which is essentially a distraction from the topic.

    No, I do not agree with abortion, even for liberals with whom I disagree. I no more own what a conservative individual says than you own everything every liberal says.

    But to focus on that rather than what Gov. Palin said is the distraction. I have not seen a response that discusses how the aerial fired bullet is more “disgusting” than the one fired from the ground. Nor have I seen a response about why you cannot hunt a predator animal the same way that you would hunt a grazing one. From all that I have read, the aerial approach is the most effective.

    The commenter I responded to voiced disgust over the technique and not the fact that it was killing wolves. I was curious about the difference.

96. #196
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:27 am, frostrt said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 11:54 am, greenLibertarian said:
    It’s good that Michelle understands the need to reduce the numbers of predators that unbalance and would destroy an ecosystem. If only she would consider the need for humans, the dominant predator on this planet, to reduce their numbers also. We are destroying our habitat and other species too.

    ————————————–

    Yes, we shouldn’t be concerned about the murdered baby in the story MM shared; after all, it was a reduction of the population of the “dominant predator on the planet”.

    You, Sir or Madam, are disgusting.