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1. #101
   On February 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm, Speakup said:

   The liberal party has complained and complained and complained about trickle down economics as if people who stand on a street corners with cardboard signs are hiring at $40 an hour.

   Well I suppose that’s OK because the Dems obviously have the perfect solution for all our ills, its trickle down taxation because Corporations won’t be paying higher taxes and neither will big business or small business for that matter.

   Every individual will pay these multiple trillions in mountainous debt because gas will cost more, groceries will cost more, every thing we must spend money on to get along in life will just cost that much more.

   Sock it the rich? Not! we’re just socking it to ourselves and our kids and their kids, add another generation for each X amount of dollars and the quality of life spirals down at the same rate.

   Class warfare, sucks.
   Want a new Mertz? You are free to work and achieve exactly that, the rest?
   Don’t hold your breath cause uncle Barack ain’t bring’n it.
   Don worry tho, he got his.

2. #102
   On February 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, gippergirl said:

   And this on Ronaldus Magnus’s Birthday…shameful…

3. #103
   On February 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

   “Arlen will run unless he is dead….”

   Not to get to wrapped up in this if it looks like he is going to lose, I can assure you he will not run but retire.

   His health is also still in question long term.

4. #104
   On February 6th, 2009 at 4:01 pm, bansharia said:

   Son,
   lil real American babies is always good news, specially one with pipes in the womb

   JS,
   I can assure you Arlen will do what he did in 2004 and that is to work hand in hand with dems to be reelected.
   Keep eye on who dems run in primary THAT will show us both whats what.

5. #105
   On February 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, bansharia said:

   P.S.
   Arlen has said many times his goal is to be the longest “serving” senator.
   It is all about him vs America/PA

6. #106
   On February 6th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

   On February 6th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, sonofdy said:

   Now back to the regularly scheduled slide into economic disaster.

   How dare you to have thought to dip your baliwick at this time of crisis…

   focus man focus… and congrats

7. #107
   On February 6th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, SakakiO said:

   Voinovich pulled out of negotiations. It’s now the Terrible Trio.

   And it’s all reported over at Ace Of Spades!

8. #108
   On February 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

   OT:

   Tragic. Or maybe comic.

9. #109
   On February 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm, bansharia said:

   WO HOOO go voinabeach!!!

10. #110
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm, corona said:

    According to NRO, it’s just two – Specter and (probably) Snowe.

11. #111
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, GregGates said:

    I called all four. Collins was an instant full mailbox “goodbye” from the robot voice but got to the other three. It took about 100 dials to Specter, the others were about 50.

    I asked for a halt on the current bill. I made it clear that I see the Senators working and realize that not passing a flawed bill doesn’t mean they aren’t doing their jobs.

    Do it right, take out 2011+ spending and other bloat, stop rushing and return to a healthy process. The Obama threats and his palpable inability to lead right now are scary. I mentioned that public opinion is shifting by the day and that those around me (friends, co-workers, family etc) are mentioning the bill in serious fashion.

    I hope that the token cuts fail to impress and we don’t see this pass. Come on Republicans show us some conservatism.

12. #112
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, puhiawa said:

    And what is to prevent the crapola to come back in committee? Nothing. Specter and Snowe playing the fools again.

13. #113
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, GregGates said:

    I got through on Collins. Gogogo.

14. #114
    On February 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pm, RogerCfromSD said:

    I don’t understand what possible good for the country, much less the Party, Specter thinks will come of voting in favor of Porkulus.

15. #115
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    try these…haven’t scrubbed them in a while but the first one works…they may bypass the main switchboard…

    TOLL FREE
    Congressional Switchboard Numbers

    800-833-6354
    866-340-9281
    877-762-8762
    866-808-0065
    888-355-3588
    866-220-0044
    800-862-5530
    877-851-6437
    800-417-7666

16. #116
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:10 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    OT

    UC system to drop academic standards- high standards favor Asians too much

    It’s hard to believe that, as part of this mission, the regents are deliberately trying to do their bit to stave off the “yellow peril.” But proponents of racial preferences have let slip some highly unsavory attitudes on occasion. My wife, Abigail, appeared on Crossfire many years ago and was asked by liberal co-host Bob Beckel whether she would “like to see UCLA Law School 80 percent Asian.” In a 1995 interview, President Clinton said that “there are universities in California that could fill their entire freshman classes with nothing but Asian Americans.” In 1998, a writer for Newsday asked, “Since Asians outscore everyone, would we accept an all-Asian class?”

    Nasty stuff, and not aberrational. If you truly believe that it is unjust that some groups are “underrepresented” at elite institutions, it follows inexorably that no groups may be “overrepresented.” Mathematically, when no one is underrepresented, no one is overrepresented. Since Asians have more than triple their “proper share” of places at the University of California, and quadruple their share at Berkeley and UCLA, they are the chief obstacle to “equity” in higher education.

17. #117
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, Zippy_Slug said:

    How’s about getting some blue Dems to drop their support as well? I hadn’t heard of any who are wavering on *not* supporting the porkulous bill..

18. #118
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, Bill Grant said:

    Made about 40 calls over this and sent out over 300 e-mails. (Easier for me, just use the autofill and drop in the text.) I think I can be angry about this now without being totally hypocritical. Who knows, maybe we will get lucky. We are working against a pretty excellent “community organization” system (Rent a mob) that I frankly envy.

    Next step: pitchforks and torches.

19. #119
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:26 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, Zippy_Slug said:
    

    How’s about getting some blue Dems to drop their support as well?

    Not in the senate but interesting:

    Freshman Democrat Walt Minnick (D-ID) is one of the Blue Dogs who opposed passage of the Obama-Reid-Pelosi spending plan. He has now introduced his own stimulus legislation. And how does it differ from the legislation being debated in Congress now?

    “The biggest difference is that I’ve cut out everything that doesn’t create jobs in this year and next,” Minnick said Thursday. “It’s only $174 billion, $650 billion less than what the House passed and probably $750 billion less than the trillion dollar bill the Senate is talking about. It focuses on infrastructure spending, there’s $70 billion on bridges, roads and school construction and there’s $100 billion on tax cuts to middle and low income people.

    Minnick said his proposal would spend all the money by the end of 2010, while the White House proposal would only spend 30 percent of the larger amount they’re proposing.

    Minnick is right. The bill is tremendously wasteful, and it will hurt the economy rather than help it. Will Minnick’s fellow Democrats listen?

    Thanks to our host for focusing on solutions by the way.

20. #120
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:36 pm, corona said:

    A group of Senate moderates working on an amendment to cut up to $100 billion in spending from the economic stimulus package have completed a tentative proposal that will be presented to Senate Democrats at a 5:30 p.m. caucus meeting, Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad told reporters. “There is a proposal that is sufficiently fleshed out and we will have a caucus and discuss it,” Conrad said after emerging from talks in Senate Majority Leader Reid’s office. Democrats hope the proposal, developed by Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Ben Nelson, R-Neb., will attract several GOP supporters and be acceptable to all Democrats, which would allow for passage of the plan as early as tonight.

21. #121
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, DagneyT said:

    Michelle, I think you’ve been hacked. I dialed one of the numbers above, and it was Barbara Boxer’s number. I tried Voinivich’s, and it was the Senate voicemail line. Sure wish I knew how to get into that!

22. #122
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, DagneyT said:

    Oh, BTW, I left Boxer the message “desparate leads to stupid”. Thought you’d appreciate that.

23. #123
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, Democrats propose adding to the stimulus bill the Al Gwhore Project. It’s a clean green machine that will shred all versions of stimulus bill and run on solar power. Unfortunately it will cost 1 trillion dollars, millions of american jobs, be made in china; Oh and it will suck the sun dry. . . . Where do Snowe, Specter and Collins sign so they can get on the news tonight????!!!

24. #124
    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, “Desperate leads to Boxer”

25. #125
    On February 6th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, Can anyne tell me how much of the pork added in the past 24hrs is going to Maine or Pennsylvanis?

26. #126
    On February 6th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, rlwo2008 said:

    ACORN better have been cut.

27. #127
    On February 6th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, jbh45 said:

    Drudge is reporting a deal has been reached……

28. #128
    On February 6th, 2009 at 6:44 pm, FireBlogger said:

    Fox News (just now) says deal is tentative and that Specter is the lynchpin vote.

29. #129
    On February 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm, DannoJyd said:

    The phone lines were either tied up, or I got filled mail boxes. I resorted to using freedomspeaks.com, and will continue calling tomorrow. Maybe even tonight.

30. #130
    On February 6th, 2009 at 6:59 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Officials say tentative stimulus deal reached

    The pain has trickled up.

    Think revenge.

31. #131
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm, jbh45 said:

    ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    The pain has trickled up.

    Spector and Collins will feel the real pain when this is all over.

32. #132
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:18 pm, Joy said:

    This bill has nothing to do with stimulus. It’s just payback for leftists who supported b. hussein.

33. #133
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:20 pm, xblade said:

    What a fraud. These guys aren’t even worried about the spending, they’re just worried about getting their share.

    Wow, we cut $100 billion dollars out of a trillion dollars, lol. Woo hoo!!!

34. #134
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:33 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    ” I swear by my life and my love of it,that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”

    “Omnia relinquit servare republicam”

35. #135
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, lgm said:

    Do you think it’s right that the party that lost the last election and now controls only 40% in the Senate can veto what the majority wants to do? How about allowing an up or down vote?

36. #136
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:45 pm, torabora said:

    duh1 is spending about $2 Billion/hr.

    ….sound of hand in the popcorn bucket fishing out another handful….

37. #137
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:55 pm, old trooper said:

    A lotta Change, don’t hold your breath on the Hope part…stock up on food, fuel, ammunition and Believe it that!

    Parliamentary Rules may become Marquis of Queensbury Rules over the weekend over this Rape, Robbery & Pillage Bill.

    It’s For the Children…and they will hate US for burdening them with it!

38. #138
    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:58 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    I got the pitchfork, anybody know where I get torches?

39. #139
    On February 6th, 2009 at 8:13 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    LGM

    I am your worst nightmare… yes, we can fight the so called majority especially when they are ignorant, uneducated and elitist.

40. #140
    On February 6th, 2009 at 8:13 pm, flmom said:

    lgm said:

    Problem is, the Dems want cover for this, and last I looked this is not a one-party system, much as your lot would like that. If this doesn’t do what the Dems want[which it won't], could be a rout come 2010. It’d be nice if your crew could have the courage of their convictions. Unfortunately, ‘courage’ and ‘convictions’ are not in the liberal dictionary.

41. #141
    On February 6th, 2009 at 8:15 pm, flmom said:

    Oh, lgm, one last thing. the last poll I saw had the support for the porkulus bill among the electorate at 22%. I would hardly call that a majority.

42. #142
    On February 6th, 2009 at 8:51 pm, Cameron said:

    lgm, if the Democrats have such a majority on this bill, why don’t they just vote on it right now? If it actually works and solves all the problems they think it will, they get the “I told you so” rights.

    Of course if it’s as much of a disaster as a lot of people know it to be, they get to take responsibility for that too. Or is it that you don’t want them to take the blame if it fails?

    Don’t worry; I’m not waiting around for your answer. I know better.

43. #143
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm, Joy said:

    Amazing… this one bill alone will increase the National Debt by 1/10.

    10% increase in one bill.

44. #144
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:07 pm, havok said:

    LGM…you are living in fantasy land. I’m having a hard time finding anyone who likes this rotten pork sammich. I guess there are those like you who will just do what the Dems tell them to but most of the folks I know who voted Obama are petrified of this bill.

    Oh well….

45. #145
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm, sbw999 said:

    Outlook in November 2012:

    Unemployment: 10% Nationally

    Dow: 6000-6500
    Nasdaq: 1000

    Annual Budget Deficit: 1.5 trillion dollars

    Democrats in the Senate: 65-70
    Democrats in the House of Rep:280-300

    USA: Quasi-socialist State teetering on bankruptcy.

    Amnesty granted to 12 million new voters for the Dems, as well as their extended families.

    Fairness Doctrine well underway.

    This game is over.

46. #146
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm, John Deaux said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, lgm said:
    Do you think it’s right that the party that lost the last election and now controls only 40% in the Senate can veto what the majority wants to do? How about allowing an up or down vote?

    I’m sure you were saying the same thing when the Republicans had the majority.

    You really are a dope.

47. #147
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:13 pm, katablog said:

    Tried during the day to call the RINOs – all lines were busy over and over. Just tried to call tonight – all ring through – all mail boxes are full. They aren’t interested in hearing what the American people really want.

    I’m soooo sick of these stupid idiots. I feel totally depressed, knowing a freight train is coming at me and I can’t do a thing to stop it.

48. #148
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm, katablog said:

    Do you think it’s right that the party that lost the last election and now controls only 40% in the Senate can veto what the majority wants to do? How about allowing an up or down vote?

    Do you think that the people elected to REPRESENT the will of the American people should do so? Only 37% (and dropping like a rock) support this bill and those are probably the ones that always have their hands out.

    Well guess what – I’m not going to work anymore to pay for this ridiculous spending. I’ve shut one business down and I’m about ready to do the same with the other since this nonsense continues. Let’s let YOUR grandchildren pay for this.

49. #149
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    Rush is gonna be might PO’d when he gets back to the shop on Monday and sees that we’ve been sold out again by a couple of the usual RINO scumbags. Um…um…um. Not gonna be pretty.

50. #150
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    It is a done deal.
    The Dems got the 60.
    Kennedy is flying in from Florida to vote.
    **************
    Senators have reached a tentative deal on a version of President Obama’s economic stimulus plan, including about $811 billion in spending and tax cuts, that will win enough Republican votes to move forward.

    Sens. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Susan Collins of Maine appeared to be the critical Republicans to sign onto the bill, giving Democrats the 60 votes needed to advance to a final vote. Democrats also voiced confidence that Republican Sen. Olympia Snow of Maine also would vote for the plan.
    ************
    We are so f****d.
    It will take generations of Repub leadership to fix the damages.

    Hey Michael Steele, you kicked out all of the RNC staff to have a fresh start. Now kick out these three rinos (lower case).

51. #151
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:33 pm, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    Olympia Snow of Maine also would vote for the plan.

    I hardly ever use the “c word” but if those two Maine sister aren’t a pair, then I don’t know where you’d go to find any. And if I start talking about Specter, I am ~bound~ to step over the line.

52. #152
    On February 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm, katablog said:

    ” I swear by my life and my love of it,that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”

    Who is John Galt?

53. #153
    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:26 pm, love2rumba said:

    …time to replace a few select Republicans, isn’t it?

54. #154
    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:54 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, lgm said:

    Do you think it’s right that the party that lost the last election and now controls only 40% in the Senate can veto what the majority wants to do? How about allowing an up or down vote?

    Oh, the irony when the tables are turned. Allowing an up or down vote, indeed. What historical ignorance.

    You are such a collectivist monster.

55. #155
    On February 7th, 2009 at 12:06 am, franksalterego said:

    I seem to be seeing a lot of animus over this “stimulus” bill.

    Wasn’t it Our Little Blogger, who was taking daily pot-shots at John McCain?

    How’s that working out for ya’?

56. #156
    On February 7th, 2009 at 12:15 am, vatodio said:

    The economy is in the toilet.

    Americans are losing their jobs and homes.

    The Wall Street crash has wiped out the retirement savings of millions of people.

    Almost interest free money flooding the Wall Street has eroded interest income many of the retirees are depending on for their livelihood.

    And the bastards in Washington Dc are spending ONLY 900 Billion Dollars!

    I think the serious problems we are facing warrants at least 5 Trillion Dollars, may be more, if we can install few more presses at the US Mints.

    /sarc off.

57. #157
    On February 7th, 2009 at 12:27 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 7th, 2009 at 12:06 am, franksalterego said:

    Wasn’t it Our Little Blogger, who was taking daily pot-shots at John McCain?

    How’s that working out for ya’?

    Our “little Blogger” has some kinda super powers? No, she calls ‘em like she sees ‘em. A moderate on the Republican ticket is a death blow to begin with. I guess people like you think MM should just ignore the problems with McCain and fall in line. I pray that day never comes.

    P.S. There is a reason her blog is tops. How’s your blog doing? DKos, right?

58. #158
    On February 7th, 2009 at 1:19 am, mattm said:

    I was only able to call Snowe’s office today. I got to talk to a person. The other were busy, no answer, or went to a full VM box.

    I tired calling Chris Dodd’s office since I am stuck with him. No one answered the phone it just rang and rang and rang.

59. #159
    On February 7th, 2009 at 1:42 am, love2rumba said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, Bill Grant said:
    Made about 40 calls over this and sent out over 300 e-mails. (Easier for me, just use the autofill and drop in the text.) I think I can be angry about this now without being totally hypocritical. Who knows, maybe we will get lucky. We are working against a pretty excellent “community organization” system (Rent a mob) that I frankly envy.

    Next step: pitchforks and torches.

    Same here, BillGrant

60. #160
    On February 7th, 2009 at 4:30 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

    On February 7th, 2009 at 12:06 am, franksalterego said:
    Wasn’t it Our Little Blogger, who was taking daily pot-shots at John McCain?

    How’s that working out for ya’?

    Nobody was taking “pot-shots” at McCain. MM and most good conservatives — myself certainly included — took the treacherous bastard under withering fire, and it was an easy, conflict-free decision to do so, because the demented little snake had zero chance of winning against the Chicago messiah. He is the SOB that spent his freaking career taking shots at his fellow party members. So you can just take your pissy attitude and stick it where the sun don’t shine, pal. JSM was not the answer to the Democrat wave of ’08; he was the cause of it. You make me sick with your back-biting style of politics. I can see why you love the traitorous creep.

61. #161
    On February 7th, 2009 at 6:36 am, jjmurphy said:

    Any RINO that votes for this monstrosity should be kicked out of the party, immediately. (No loss, these RINOs are democrats anyway.) That way the Republicans can throw the blame right back on the Democrats.

    These RINOs have squandered a great opportunity for the republicans to once again differentiate themselves from the socialist democrats.

62. #162
    On February 7th, 2009 at 9:31 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “It will take generations of Repub leadership to fix the damages.”

    A statement like that is an example of just how schizoid we conservatives can be. NO, it will not take “Repub leadership” to fix this. It will take we the PEOPLE to fix it. Depending on someone else to fix it, that is simply liberalism lite and what got these “Republicans” doing what the left wanted in the first place, people depending on government. Do you see the difference? Please tell me you see the difference…..

    To fix the mess that we are already in and will be coming it will take leaders who will STOP trying to fix anything but instead leave us citizens alone to pursue life liberty and happiness.

    WE will fix it if we are left alone to do so.

63. #163
    On February 7th, 2009 at 9:34 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Collins and Snowe must be expelled from the caucus, and there must be a way to keep Markos Zuniga from sending his KosSacks to vote in GOP primaries in 2012 when The Anointed One likely won’t have a serious challenger.

    If independents gave us McCain, what will actual Democrats give us as far as a nomineee?

64. #164
    On February 7th, 2009 at 9:35 am, Dimsdale said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 11:54 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On February 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, lgm said:

    Do you think it’s right that the party that lost the last election and now controls only 40% in the Senate can veto what the majority wants to do? How about allowing an up or down vote?

    Oh, the irony when the tables are turned. Allowing an up or down vote, indeed. What historical ignorance.

    You are such a collectivist monster.

    How about collectivist selective ignorance? lgm’s statement virtually drips with hypocrisy and/or ignorance.

    Where was this outrage when the Dems practiced these political arts when they were in the minority?

    Mayhaps you should remember the old saying “it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool. rather than open your mouth (or in this case, type) and remove all doubt.”

    Better yet, inasmuch as that quote is credited to Abraham Lincoln, perhaps our new president (who thinks he is the reincarnation of Lincoln) should also give it a try.

65. #165
    On February 7th, 2009 at 10:06 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Dimsdale said:
    Mayhaps you should remember the old saying “it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool. rather than open your mouth (or in this case, type) and remove all doubt.”

    Better yet, inasmuch as that quote is credited to Abraham Lincoln,

    You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
    Abraham Lincoln

66. #166
    On February 7th, 2009 at 10:29 am, BlackFlag55 said:

    What god is ‘representative government’ is your ‘representative’ won’t communicate with those represented? Except for Sam Nunn, I’ve never had a representative answer me or return a phone call or letter appropriately. Never.

    But for this one I sent emails to my two ‘senators’.

    Exact subject line on my outgoing email was JAPAN’S CATASTROPHIC STIMULUS (quoting a devastating paragraph from the NY Times!)

    What I received in reply was from Mark Udall, and the subject heading was changed to RE: Pass the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act NOW! His staff CHANGED my email subject heading to imply I had first written him urging the stimulus bill to pass.

    That’s creepy, unnatural and insulting.

67. #167
    On February 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Do you think it’s right that the party that lost the last election and now controls only 40% in the Senate can veto what the majority wants to do?”

    That is not a “right” or “wrong” thing. That is a “this is how it is designed to work” thing. Just like Reid’s stupid comment that a minority in the Senate can’t hold the President hostage. Not only did the left do just that to Bush, to intepret the way the checks and balances of our government is designed to operate with as “holding the President hostage” is either an indication that Sen. Reid has no sense of how our government works OR does but is trying to dumb down the public so that the public doesn’t get upset when there is no checks and balances.

    Not only is it “right”, it is by design and is working exactly how it is suppose to.

68. #168
    On February 7th, 2009 at 10:52 am, sbw999 said:

    We have all just lived through an historic moment: the moment that this Country changed forever. This is the biggest, most outlandish and piggish theft of taxpayer money by traitors in the government in the history of the world. It is the time when hypocracy has just exploded off the charts, and the big lie that Obama sold the suckers who voted for him, came to pass.

    It is the moment that socialism took true hold in our Country. It is the moment that we learned the real truth, that the pigs running our Country dont give a sh*t about it. Their sole concern is keeping power by making governmrnt the caretaker of their voters, period. They have no regard for our legislative process; they are opportunists, and fear mongerors. The have done this with full intent, knowing that they have deceived everybody. Sell outs and traitors; they have irreversibly damaged and destroyed the future of this Country as assuredly as anything.

69. #169
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:05 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    If there is anyone who is puzzled as to why recent events represent a catastrophic surrender of freedom, I strongly recommend you read the opening chapter of Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense”. He discusses how people confuse “society” with “government”. Society is where we all pursue our happiness and thus represents all that is good. Government, where men place some limits on certain freedoms to maintain order, represents all that threatens society. By definition, the growth of government is the surrender of personal freedom.

    We just surrendered most of our constitutional freedoms. It will soon be essentially unconstitutional to disagree with our government as they systematically shut down deliberative democracy for being too tedious, contentious and inconvenient for people who are too “important” to bother with the messiness of democratic government.

    How easy it is to lead sheep to slaughter.

70. #170
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:08 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    I don’t ever want to hear the names Bush, McCain, McConnell, Boehner, Graham and the rest of those traitors again. Don’t bother trying to defend McCain. He and Bush share equal blame for the destruction of the GOP and I am not impressed by death bed conversions. Where has he been all these years? When he is on the winning side, he is defeating his own party. When he is on our side, we lose. Quite a legacy.

71. #171
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:34 am, WaterBoyz said:

    On February 7th, 2009 at 9:31 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “It will take generations of Repub leadership to fix the damages.”

    A statement like that is an example of just how schizoid we conservatives can be. NO, it will not take “Repub leadership” to fix this. It will take we the PEOPLE to fix it. Depending on someone else to fix it, that is simply liberalism lite and what got these “Republicans” doing what the left wanted in the first place, people depending on government. Do you see the difference? Please tell me you see the difference…..

    To fix the mess that we are already in and will be coming it will take leaders who will STOP trying to fix anything but instead leave us citizens alone to pursue life liberty and happiness.

    WE will fix it if we are left alone to do so.

    But WE are not the ONE in the Senate or House. WE are the ones who elect the ONE. It takes leadership to nurture and gather the ONES that WE will vote for. WE can nurture the ONE(s) WE believe in but those have to go thru a funneling (i.e. via leadership) to eventually to be the ONE that WE send to rep us.

    As the system is now, the WE in my community elect the ONE. That ONE becomes a powerful ONE in, say the Senate. That ONE then has a cause/affect/effect on all of the other WEs across the Country. Did WE elect a powerful ONE that becomes smart and wise or dumb and stupid? There needs to be some sort of “vetting/clearance” that happens so that the WEs across the land elect the ONEs that are best for all.

    A perfect example is Murtha. His locals elect him because of what he has done and promises to do for the locals. The locals couldn’t give a rat’s @ss about anyone outside their local community. Even though Murtha has proven to affect/effect the whole Country.

72. #172
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    Waterboyz, I’m not sure I get your point but I think I agree, just need to be more specific.

    Conservatives don’t need the GOP. Had the 6-7 million who stayed home last November voted 3rd party instead, it would have left us with a different narrative to be building on.

    It is not the GOP “leadership” that clogged the phones the past few days but us conservatives. they only changed their tune once they had a gun pointed at their heads.

    The GOP is now pretending to be fighting for our side but the same people who surrendered to the Dems when the GOP controlled everything are now fighting just to make it look close. Even at the point of a gun, these guys try just hard enough to lose. When in the majority, it’s “gangs of McCain” surrendering landmark victories to the leftists.

    It is time to start a new party and the first step is to re-register as an unaffiliated independent as half of Republicans have done since 2004. We have no use for noseholding apologists who automatically vote Republican “just because”.

73. #173
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “But WE are not the ONE in the Senate or House.”

    You seem to not want to hear what I’m saying. That mindset is NOT the conservative mindset.

    We are in control folks. You may not feel like it. You may be hearing that from anyone. But we are in control, they work for us.

    Let’s not get as looney as the left got with Bush folks.

74. #174
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “It is the moment that socialism took true hold in our Country.”

    Sorry but where have you been? We’ve been on this path since FDR and the “New Deal”.

    Nothing new about any of it.

75. #175
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “It is the moment that socialism took true hold in our Country.”

    Sorry but where have you been? We’ve been on this path since FDR and the “New Deal”.

    Nothing new about any of it.

76. #176
    On February 7th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    jsmiddleton said:

    We are in control folks. You may not feel like it. You may be hearing that from anyone. But we are in control, they work for us.

    Could you please tell me who “us” is? If “we” are in control, please take me off of that list. I didn’t vote for this one-party leftist autocracy.

77. #177
    On February 7th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Could you please tell me who “us” is?”

    I suggest you start with our founding documents.