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The “compromise” is a crock of you-know-what; Sellouts on the Senate floor; Show us the bill

By Michelle Malkin • February 6, 2009 07:16 PM

Scroll for updates…Sellouts on the Senate floor 7:30pm Eastern…

Gold-plated poop.

Details of GOP Sen. Susan Collins’ “compromise” “stimulus” proposal are coming out. This is a Mt. Kilimanjaro-sized crock of you know what. Total cost of this “pared down” bill is $1.175 trillion.

Let me repeat that: $1.175 trillion.

This figure does not include the nearly $50 billion added in Senate amendments during the last two days.

So in the name of fiscal responsibility, Collins and the B.O. Republican contingent are selling out America with a plan that costs $7 billion more than the House Crap Sandwich Supreme.

Are we ready to say the F-word* yet?

(*Filibuster)

***

Oh, and one more thing. Sen. Levin vows that the few cuts that have been made during Senate debate will be restored in the House-Senate conference.

Stimulus kabuki theater plays on….

***

Update 7:30pm Eastern. Sellouts are on the Senate floor. Harry Reid praising Sen. Collins.

Where is the “compromise?” Who has seen it?

When will the voters who will pay for it get to see it?

SHOW US THE BILL.

No backroom deals before a vote.

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#614465

On February 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm, ScottyDog said:

We all need to refuse to pay our income taxes in April to protest the Brand Theft being perpetrated on the American people.

They cannot throw all of us in jail.

None of these stimulus bills are constitutional.

We no longer live in a Constitutional Republic if Politicians can commit grand theft from the taxpayers despite the switchboards being over loaded with American demanding this madness be stopped.

I do not know one person that supports this theft by Barry Soetero aka Obama and the Congress.

In my humble opinion it is time for another American Revolution.
Enough is enough.
#614467

On February 6th, 2009 at 9:51 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

ScottyDog: Here in CA, the state gov is issuing IOUs to cities, towns and tax payers expecting tax refunds. Cities are returning the favor by withholding payment on its bills to the state. Why shouldn’t taxpayers withhold paying their taxes? No one else is paying anyone for anything.
#614468

On February 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm, rightisright said:

CONGRESS IS FREAKEN NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just being who and what they are.
#614469

On February 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm, ScottyDog said:

Pasadena Phil

I know I too live in Mexifornia close to Palm Springs.

If the terminator just cut the Illegal Aliens benefits he could balance the budget yet he refuses to do so.

Shows you where his priorities and loyalties lie.

We need to start a taxpayer revolt and tell them where to go.
#614471

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm, RetFireman said:

You know what Mook…when you are right…I don’t know how I came up with that. Somehow, I did the math as if it was something else.

I would blame the cold meds, but that would be a cop out.
#614474

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:06 pm, Mookie said:

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm, RetFireman said:

You know what Mook…when you are right…I don’t know how I came up with that. Somehow, I did the math as if it was something else.

I would blame the cold meds, but that would be a cop out.

The funny thing is that I had virtually the same discussion with a friend as to why they didn’t just give us the money. I threw out $100,000 as a figure and and said it wouldn’t surpass 200 million. Apparently we’re both taking the same cough medicine!
#614477

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm, Joy said:

RetFireman – Well, they can’t give us 3 million, but this amounts to $8,514 for each taxpayer. I’ll take it!

This one bill alone increases our National Debt by 1/10.

10% in one bill…… now each taxpayer owes 86,211.00…
#614480

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:13 pm, maisy said:

Did anyone else see Jeff Sessions asked to present the amendment on E-VERIFY….you would think Reid never heard the term before…It is NOT in there….NO TAX MONEY FOR THESE CROOKS!!!Reid said they could discuss it later….
yeah right…(you don’t mind slaving for mexicans now do ya????)
I’m ready for civil war…it’s way past time!!!
#614481

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm, WaterBoyz said:

It is a done deal.
The Dems got the 60.
Kennedy is flying in from Florida to vote.

Senators have reached a tentative deal on a version of President Obama’s economic stimulus plan, including about $811 billion in spending and tax cuts, that will win enough Republican votes to move forward.

Sens. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Susan Collins of Maine appeared to be the critical Republicans to sign onto the bill, giving Democrats the 60 votes needed to advance to a final vote. Democrats also voiced confidence that Republican Sen. Olympia Snow of Maine also would vote for the plan.

We are so f****d.
It will take generations of Repub leadership to fix the damages.

Hey Michael Steele, you kicked out all of the RNC staff to have a fresh start. Now kick out these three rinos (lower case).
#614484

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:19 pm, Joy said:

So there are no Blue-dog Dems that are voting no?
#614487

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm, txvet2 said:

On February 6th, 2009 at 7:26 pm, twofoot said:

I would love to burn Pelosie in effigy.

Only in effigy? I am entertaining visions of locking the doors and burning the capitol down around their ears at this point.

Thje British already tried that. It was only a temporary fix.
#614490

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm, right_on said:

Who authorized the liberal Republican senators to negotiate a compromise with the Party of Social Democrat Shysters, anyway?

Those three are either very trusting of those who eat their own, or they are part of this Gigantic Ponzi scheme.

In the spirit of partisanship, were I the Senate Minority Leader, I would strip these three morons of their committee assignments. How can McConnell or any other conservative trust them to keep caucus strategy confidential? They are rats!
#614493

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm, RetFireman said:

Arlen Spectre.

How fitting of a name.

spectre
n 1: a ghostly appearing figure; “we were unprepared for the
apparition that confronted us” [syn: apparition, phantom,
specter]
2: a mental representation of some haunting experience; “he
looked like he had seen a ghost”; “it aroused specters
from his past” [syn: ghost, shade, spook, wraith,
specter]
#614494

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm, right_on said:

Joe Lieberman’s comment was kind of on the right track…I fixed it for him.

So the — the only place help can come from now is from the fFederal ~~government~~ Ammunition Company.
#614500

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pm, DirkBelig said:

If Michael Steele wants to throw down a gauntlet that matters, he should announce that any Stupid Party member who votes for this abomination will not receive one thin dime of campaign support and primary challengers are being sought to take them out. No more Lincoln Chafees! Pat Toomey gets backed while Specter fends for himself. Repeat as necessary.
#614501

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:03 pm, Snooper said:

Pitchforks and base ball bats at dawn.
#614503

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:08 pm, zorro said:

Show Us the Bill!

Pitchforks and base ball bats at dawn.

I’m in.
#614505

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:09 pm, bjc said:

*McConnell has really screwed the pooch on this one, not keeping Republican fingerprints off of this disaster if they assist in putting the vote over the top.
*At this critical time for our country, the liberal nutbags have given us a Carter with a tan when we desperately need a Churchill with a plan.
#614506

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:14 pm, beenthere said:

Words really fail me on this one. Here is a video metaphor and elegy for the fallen star of America.
#614507

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:17 pm, Prickly Pear said:

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:03 pm, Snooper said:
Pitchforks and base ball bats at dawn.

AR’s & AK’s is alot more like it-Lock and load boys and girls!
#614508

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:17 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

On February 6th, 2009 at 7:38 pm, Yankee Oppressor said:

Hear, Hear!!!

Bravo! Standing Ovation!
#614509

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:18 pm, zorro said:

AR’s & AK’s is alot more like it-Lock and load boys and girls!

Gitty up!
#614510

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:24 pm, regularguy said:

We’re just embarking on a dark period of outright madness.
#614512

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:27 pm, FamilyMan said:

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
#614515

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:46 pm, Send_Me said:

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:27 pm, FamilyMan said:
“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

Here’s a video for you along the same lines.
#614517

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:59 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm, right_on said:

In the spirit of partisanship, were I the Senate Minority Leader, I would strip these three morons of their committee assignments. How can McConnell or any other conservative trust them to keep caucus strategy confidential? They are rats!

Bingo!
Those “Republicans” are not Republicans.
They are Democrats who get to spy on the Republican Caucus from within.

And don’t trust McCain. What happens in front of the CSPAN cameras is a show. The real work doesn’t happen on the floor – it happens behind closed doors, away from any recording devices and sometimes even without any of their staff allowed to attend.

It is only when an agreement has already been reached that they then emerge from behind closed doors, take the floor, and put on the show in front of the CSPAN cameras.

McCain put on a show because the outcome had already been determined and his role was to act like an outraged conservative. We are being played.

McCain’s role in this election was to prevent a real conservative, a Reagan Republican, from winning the Republican nomination and going up against Obama.

McCain was the “designated loser”.

The Socialists are in control. This small group of elitest globalists is not trying to “stimulate” our economy or our nation. They are trying to bring it to its knees.

But my journey is part of a larger journey- one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

-Barack Hussein Obama
June 23, 2007
#614518

On February 6th, 2009 at 11:59 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

End of an Empire?
#614523

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:20 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I don’t know if McCain is part of this bailout. Fiscal responsibility was the only issue he was semi-consistently conservative on.

I faxed letters to my senator, Cornyn, also head of the RSCC and to McConnell, saying I would not donate any money to the national GOP or Senate campaign committee if any defectors from a filibuster were not expelled from the caucus.

If Spectre, Snowe and Collins will vote for cloture on this, (or indicate they would, stopping a filibuster before it ever happens) then they would never support any Republican filibuster, and their joining the Dem caucus, even if it supposedly gives the Dems more than 60 votes, is no loss at all.
#614525

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:23 am, RetFireman said:

I never considered this to be an empire.

I prefer to think of it as an End to a Dream, and the failure of the American Experiment…failed due to incompetency at the helm and failure to adhere to the principles with which it was founded.

прощальный товарищ
#614526

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:25 am, RetFireman said:

Just in case you need a translation
#614530

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:32 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I haven’t found confirmation, but I believe any Senator can request a reading of the bill before a vote.

Even if the traitorous bastards like Spectre would sell us out and prevent a filibster, reading almost 800 pages of pure botvine feces aloud should take more than a day, at least slow down the Senate, and maybe give time for someone in the GOP caucus to make noise to the traitors about expulsion from the caucus.

Spectre and Collins would end up caucusing with the majority, but the choice committee chairs are already assigned, and instead of seeking nomination in Northeast states from the squishy wing of the GOP, they’d be running against primary challengers who’d have the benefit of being full blooded Democrats in a part of the country where the more liberal, the better, and they’d have to defend their occasional votes with their former GOP caucus mates.
#614531

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:35 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:23 am, RetFireman said:

I never considered this to be an empire.

I don’t consider our Constitutional Republic to be an “Empire”, either,
but the Democratic Socialist Communists do…

With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.
#614532

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:35 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

OT: Any military retirees?

Hat Tip: Rayra

Obammunist wants to kill mil retirees “Tri-Care” altogether, throw retirees in with everyone else on Medicare.

I did six years and went to college, but for all those that served twenty years or more, Obama will have you waiting at the Peoples Revolutionary Health Clinic with all the rest of the comrade proles.
#614533

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:36 am, b-cat said:

World Net Daily is reporting a move by many states against the Federal Government.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218
#614534

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:44 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I normally listen to Hugh Hewitt, but he was interviewing some Tom Clancy wannabe anti-terrorist fiction writer, so I tuned in to the Weiner Nation for the first time in ages, and I’m not a complete fan of Savage, but when he read the AP story that the Northeast RINOs had sold out the country, a little after 5 pm Central, I punched my steering wheel.

Savage talked quite a bit about the hag with the whore chasing husband, Stabenow. She is pushing the Fairness Doctrine because her husband, who bailed on Air America, is behind a new failing lib talk radio network.

Michael Weiner Savage sort of lost me when I found out he was a Jerry Brown financial supporter, but he isn’t all bad.

Sadly, I miss all of Rush and most of Hannity at work, and the local AM talk runs Mark Levin on tape delay so I rarely hear him.

BTW, in some kind of sweet-heart deal, the prostitute servicing Stabenow’s husband went to jail, and he got off for testifying. Despicable.
#614535

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:49 am, docjohn52 said:

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.

http://situationterminal.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/v-for-vendetta-20060317044809312.jpg
#614536

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:50 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

I learned a few tricks and tactics while I was a lieutenant governor and governor for over 13 1/2 years. And one thing is that when someone is in a hurry to pass legislation, you’d better slow it down because the reason to hurry a law is rarely urgency to help the citizens, but urgency to get it passed before people find out what the heck it really is.

A lot of legislation is like garbage and it’s garbage the first day in the can, but if it sits there long enough, it really starts smelling.

Congress knows that the so-called stimulus bill is garbage, but hope it gets voted on before it sits there long enough to start smelling.

-Mike Huckabee
February 02, 2009
#614537

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:51 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

Here’s the Huckabee plan:

Term limits for members of Congress — 12 years and go home.

Instead of automatic pay raises, you lose 2 percent of your congressional salary every year you don’t balance the budget.

We end the congressional pension and you have to go into the same Social Security system we’re in.

You get a fixed amount for health insurance and you pay for half of yours and all your family’s and you go into the marketplace and buy it like we do.

You pass the “fair tax” and eliminate the burden on businesses and individuals trying to create jobs and you close the IRS — especially since the guy you just confirmed to run it doesn’t even know he’s supposed to pay taxes.

That’s a start, but I have some other ideas that I’ll bring up in future weeks.

-Mike Huckabee
February 02, 2009
#614538

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:04 am, b-cat said:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security
#614539

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:06 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

The Government should be afraid of the people? Foolish me I had forgotten that. But first we need the RINOs gone as bet we can and then start knocking anybody else we can.

Just for my own sanity I am going Constitution Party. The local Republican groups are all up in arms but will NOT pull support from McCain and such.
#614540

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:11 am, WarEagle82 said:

Uh, that doesn’t make sense. What were you trying to say?

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:23 am, RetFireman said:

прощальный товарищ
#614541

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:19 am, WarEagle82 said:

I reached the same conclusion during the primaries. The GOP is more interested in something other than their principles.

I see no alternative to building a new, truly conservative party.

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:06 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:
The Government should be afraid of the people? Foolish me I had forgotten that. But first we need the RINOs gone as bet we can and then start knocking anybody else we can.

Just for my own sanity I am going Constitution Party. The local Republican groups are all up in arms but will NOT pull support from McCain and such.
#614542

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:19 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

Portraits of Dear Leader
#614544

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:22 am, b-cat said:

Your link isn’t working, Red Pill.
#614545

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:23 am, WarEagle82 said:

That’s okay. Neither is the government.

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:22 am, b-cat said:
Your link isn’t working, Red Pill.
#614546

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am, b-cat said:

The GOP is dead. This is a one party system masquerading as two.

A new party is called for.
#614547

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:25 am, WarEagle82 said:

Right on the money, if you’ll pardon the pun!

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am, b-cat said:
The GOP is dead. This is a one party system masquerading as two.

A new party is called for.
#614548

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am, Republicanvet said:

On February 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pm, DirkBelig said:

If Michael Steele wants to throw down a gauntlet that matters, he should announce that any Stupid Party member who votes for this abomination will not receive one thin dime of campaign support and primary challengers are being sought to take them out. No more Lincoln Chafees! Pat Toomey gets backed while Specter fends for himself. Repeat as necessary.

I agree. And with every phone call I get asking for a donation, I will tell them unless these nitwits are gone, they will not get another penny.

A little OT but…

I thought the left wanted trials for the poor Jihadi’s…that they wanted to treat terrorist acts as a criminal matter.

Dropping the charges against the Cole bombers kinda puts the lie to that doesn’t it?
#614550

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:33 am, WarEagle82 said:

RepublicanVet,

I KNOW this is going to come as a shock but I am not completely sure Obama can be trusted.

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am, Republicanvet said:
A little OT but…

I thought the left wanted trials for the poor Jihadi’s…that they wanted to treat terrorist acts as a criminal matter.

Dropping the charges against the Cole bombers kinda puts the lie to that doesn’t it?
#614551

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:39 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am, b-cat said:

The GOP is dead. This is a one party system masquerading as two.

Out of 178 Republicans in the house and 40 in the senate we had 3 pieces of s#it defect.

This wasn’t a bipartisan bill, no matter how the Obama administration wants to sell it. The opposition lobbied the morons in Maine just as hard as we did and if were there just a couple more un-brain dead republicans in the senate it could have been stopped.

Meanwhile EVERY democrat in the senate voted for this POS and almost every democrat member of the house voted for it. Yet somehow, the whole GOP is to blame because 3 stupid, filthy bi#ches broke faith and sold us out for pork?

This is a democrat bill.
#614554

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:42 am, Republicanvet said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:44 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

Sadly, I miss all of Rush and most of Hannity at work, and the local AM talk runs Mark Levin on tape delay so I rarely hear him.

Join Rush 24/7, you will love it. I did when Dingy Harry was trying to smear him in a show of support, and never regretted it.

Being able to download his show in MP3 and listening when I want is great.
#614555

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:44 am, WarEagle82 said:

And the GOP is well on the road to irrelevance if they can’t count on the members of their caucus to vote against something as horrible and ill-conceived as this. Even the CBO says it will make things worse!

The GOP is dead. The body is still twitching, but the GOP is D.E.A.D! It was a clear case of suicide.

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:39 am, Bill Grant said:
On February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 am, b-cat said:

The GOP is dead. This is a one party system masquerading as two.
Out of 178 Republicans in the house and 40 in the senate we had 3 pieces of s#it defect.

This wasn’t a bipartisan bill, no matter how the Obama administration wants to sell it. The opposition lobbied the morons in Maine just as hard as we did and if were there just a couple more un-brain dead republicans in the senate it could have been stopped.

Meanwhile EVERY democrat in the senate voted for this POS and almost every democrat member of the house voted for it. Yet somehow, the whole GOP is to blame because 3 stupid, filthy bi#ches broke faith and sold us out for pork?

This is a democrat bill.
#614556

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:45 am, b-cat said:

The Republican Party has a long way to go to regain my trust. If it wasn’t those three, it would have been another.
#614558

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:47 am, Republicanvet said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:33 am, WarEagle82 said:

RepublicanVet,

I KNOW this is going to come as a shock but I am not completely sure Obama can be trusted.

Not saying I trust him, just responding to the whiny morons on the left suggesting closing Gitmo is OK because then the poor babies will get real trials.
#614559

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:50 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:44 am, WarEagle82 said:

And the GOP is well on the road to irrelevance if they can’t count on the members of their caucus to vote against something as horrible and ill-conceived as this.

I agree, they might wind up as irrelevant as the party headed by a 9/11 and Kennedy assassination truther that you have been peddling non stop in your own version of Obamamania like devotion.

Even the CBO says it will make things worse!

It was a horrible bill. A truly horrible bill. The only consolation I have is that I did what I could have done to stop it. By the way, the guy you didn’t want to become president has lobbied HARD against this mess. Chuck Baldwin couldn’t be reached for comment…well no one tried.
#614560

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:51 am, WarEagle82 said:

Well, of course, believing that Obama would actually prosecute terrorists, when he believes they are “innocent victims” of the evil Bush administration, would involve “trust.”

Frankly, I think he is more likely to prosecute Bush that the terrorist scum he and his AG seem to love so much.

How do you know a leftist is lying?
His lips are moving!

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:47 am, Republicanvet said:
Not saying I trust him, just responding to the whiny morons on the left suggesting closing Gitmo is OK because then the poor babies will get real trials.
#614561

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:54 am, WarEagle82 said:

Geepers, Bill, I guess you are now the first official case of Baldwin Derangement Syndrome. It suits you.

Watch out for those crocs coming up out of “denial.” They move fast and by all appearances you aren’t so quick…
#614562

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:55 am, gennyv999 said:

I have been a long time admirer of your Web site; and a short time ago lost my job after almost 28 years… a single never married mom who chose life over anything else… and now find myself on the Obama side of unemployment… and I’m done… I don’t have the energy that you have MM… I want to whack people upside of their heads and scream at the top of my lungs to figure it out! How did I fight, multiple jobs, no government hand-outs – sacrifice my kid’s upbringing to foolishly think I was securing our future only to miss out on her events… and even now, I am fine with it… until that annoying anointed one is going to make everything worse? REALLY? I hope I wake up in the morning and realize I was having a nightmare… c’mon people.. even I know I have to take care of myself… stop stop stop, please, stop

PS: my 27 year old daughter is about to be married… she holds a master’s degree getting married to a great guy who earned his PhD… so not all single moms raise children in food stamps world… in fact, I refused to do that… and when they raised the tuition before my daughter finished her undergrad… I told her, jeez, we could have applied for and stayed on government subsidies and this tuition increase would be a moot point, but I chose to do the right thing… and thank God she followed with that…

This spending spree with the Government makes me sick to my stomach….
#614563

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:59 am, Joy said:

b-cat – #124 Great link!! There’s the answer!! FABULOUS news.

If we can get enough States to do this and SOON, before hussein gets his brown shirts together, it could really DO something. That is exciting news. I’ll move to one of those states.
#614564

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 am, Joy said:

WarEagle82 – #147
#614566

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” –Thomas Jefferson: his motto.

It’s time for some old school religion. I’m about ready to exercise my God given right to bear arms.
#614567

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I don’t think we have time for a Constitution Party or other new party to become able to win elections before the Demonrats complete the transformation of this country into a one party state ala Zimbabwe.

But, that said, if Collins and Specter face no consequences from the national party for treason against the nation and the GOP, it looks unlikely the Republicans can do much to stop it.

There is no downside, if they won’t support a filibuster here, kick them to the curb and let them officially join the Marxist Party USSA and caucus with Reid and the DWI Killer and al-Franken.

I will send money to any Republican who challenges RINos. I’m thinking of Toomey right now. If the RSCC or National GOP supports Spectre again in 2010, then there is no point to a Republican Party.
#614568

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:02 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 1:54 am, WarEagle82 said:

Geepers, Bill, I guess you are now the first official case of Baldwin Derangement Syndrome.

The words Baldwin and Derangement go well together.

“Watch out for those crocs coming up out of “denial.” “

Hanging your hopes on someone who has “no opinion” as to whether Americans were behind the 9/11 attacks is the definition of “denial”… As is trashing the GOP for passing a bill when they were 98.85% against it while the democrats were 99+% for it.

Here’s a solution, send Chuck to Maine and have him run as a senator. Maybe it will be too cold for his tinfoil hat.
#614569

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:04 am, WarEagle82 said:

Bill,

I think your tinfoil thong is showing…
#614571

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:06 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

Who is Baldwin?

Not one of the looney Hollywood Baldwins or the one brother who discovered Jesus, I assume.
#614572

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:10 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:06 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

Who is Baldwin?

Not one of the looney Hollywood Baldwins or the one brother who discovered Jesus, I assume.

Something like that only not as good an actor.

He was the leader of the party that WarEagle82 has been foisting off as an alternative. He was a 9/11 truther and a Kennedy assassination conspiracist who wanted to close our foreign bases. He was the poor mans Ron Paul.
#614573

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:12 am, WarEagle82 said:

I have heard of this before and it is a great idea. Except that ultimately, any legal actions will be resolved in, you guessed it, Federal Court.

But, actually insisting that the Federal Government is run by constitutional principles seems like a reasonable request.

It is worth a try and may be one of the few remaining avenues of redress short of “refreshing the tree of liberty” as Jefferson said.

On February 7th, 2009 at 12:36 am, b-cat said:
World Net Daily is reporting a move by many states against the Federal Government.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218
#614574

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:14 am, WarEagle82 said:

Chuck Baldwin is the most recent presidential candidate from the Constitution Party.

You can learn more about him at http://www.constitution.org.

Baldwin is an actual conservative. After carrying water for all the RINOs in Congress it would seem Billy no longer recognizes the real thing.
#614575

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

Blue on Blue is sort of pointless here.

BTW, what an intentional MSM perversion that the Reds, the Marxists, get assigned “blue” after decades of being color coded as they should be.

But I digress.

The USA will be long gone and a disparaged “evil empire” in the history books written by the Obamunists before the Constitution Party could become big enough to do anything but throw close races to the Demonrats.

Just a fact.

But if the GOP can’t purge the RINOs now, and close the primaries to Demonrat infiltrators by 2012, then all is lost anyway, and Third Party people slagging on Republicans and vice versa will just be Zealots fighting each other before the Romans destroy Jersualem anyway, to use an analogy.
#614577

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:19 am, WarEagle82 said:

Ed,

The idea that a new party will take decades to build is not historically true. Look at the fall of the Whigs and the rise of the GOP.

Lincoln was a Whig Congressman until about 1852 and was the Republican President in 1860.

But, voting for the lesser of two socialists hasn’t gotten us anywhere in the last 20 years so I am willing to look for an alternative.

What is the definition of doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome?
#614578

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:21 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

Quick reading of the web site, like the ideas, but

Ramsey Clark — Former U.S. Attorney General. Represented Davidian survivors. Founder of International Action Center.

Ramsey Clark is a pro-terrorist Marxist. If he is admired by the Constitution Party, they aren’t quite ready to be a national party.
#614579

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:23 am, WarEagle82 said:

Ed,

Provide a link, please. The Constitution Party does not “admire” Ramsey Clark.

Even Eisenhower said good things about Stalin while he was killing Nazis. That doesn’t mean he was in love with the man.
#614580

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:25 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

http://www.constitution.org/cs_peopl.htm

Do a Control F- I do not lie that he is one of the people they like.
#614581

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:28 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

Check also the anti-Israel “Intenrational Action Center” linked on the Constitution Party site.

They have potential, but they need to clear some 9-11 truthers, anti-Semites and not so closeted Communists out of their closets before they can challenge even a very defective Republican Party.
#614583

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:33 am, WarEagle82 said:

Ed,

Notice that they specifically cite Clark, a truly reprehensible person, for his work done to assist the Branch Davidian survivors in their legal actions against the Federal Government.

Remember that Churchill once said, “If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons?” That could hardly be taken as an endorsement.

Also, note the disclaimer on the page in question:

Inclusion on that page does not indicate we consider the person strictly faithful to the Constitution according to the standards of Jefferson and Madison, only that they deviate less than most.

Let me know if you can name other “9-11 truthers, anti-Semites and not so closeted Communists.” I am curious.
#614584

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:33 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

There is sort of a disclaimer, but they seem to be schismatic Libertarians.

BTW, Ron Paul is 100% right on fiscal, social and constitutional issues. If he didn’t freely associate with David Duke admirers and 9-11 truthers, he’d be almost perfect.

Individuals
Inclusion on that page does not indicate we consider the person strictly faithful to the Constitution according to the standards of Jefferson and Madison, only that they deviate less than most.

Current Elected officials
Ron Paul — Member, U.S. House of Representatives (R-TX 14th), former Libertarian candidate for president. Also see his alternate site.
Current candidates for elected office (to be provided later in campaign season)
Recent candidates for elected office
Michael Badnarik — Libertarian Party nominee for U.S. House of Representatives.
Bob Smither — Libertarian Party nominee for U.S. House of Representatives.
Jon Roland — Libertarian candidate for Texas Attorney General.
Rock Howard — Libertarian Party nominee for Texas Senate.
Gary Nolan — Candidate for Libertarian Party nomination for U.S. President.
Aaron Russo — Candidate for Libertarian Party nomination for U.S. President.
Harry Browne — Nominee for president of the Libertarian Party in 2000. (Deceased)
Richard Campagna — Libertarian Party nominee for U.S. Vice-President.
Charles Collins — Candidate for Republican nomination for President in 1996, for Reform Party nomination in 2000.
Alan Keyes — Candidate for Republican nomination for President in 1996, 2000.
Howard Phillips — Candidate for Constitution Party nomination for President.
L. Neil Smith — Candidate for Libertarian Party nomination for President.
Don Gorman — Candidate for Libertarian Party nomination for President and the Constitution Party of California …

……………

Steven Calabresi — Professor of Constitutional Law, Northwestern University School of Law, Co-Founder of the Federalist Society.
Ramsey Clark — Former U.S. Attorney General. Represented Davidian survivors. Founder of International Action Center.
Ann Coulter — Sometimes abrasive, but some of her books are excellent scholarship.
…..

I wonder if Ann Coulter knows she is listed directly below Ramsey Clark on anyone’s favorites list…
#614588

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:37 am, WarEagle82 said:

Ed,

THE PAGE YOU CITED IS NOT A CONSTITUTION PARTY WEB SITE!

You made me do a double-take. You went to constitution.org. That is NOT http://www.constitutionparty.org!

It took me a second to catch the error.

THE PAGE YOU CITED IS NOT A CONSTITUTION PARTY WEB SITE!
#614592

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:42 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:14 am, WarEagle82 said:

Chuck Baldwin is the most recent presidential candidate from the Constitution Party.

The Amazing Criswell is a bit dead at the moment so they chose Chuck Baldwin as their “most recent presidential candidate”.

You can learn more about him at ~~constitution.~~.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg

Fixed it.

Baldwin is an actual ~~conservative~~. Moonbat.

Polished that up a bit too…
#614594

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:45 am, WarEagle82 said:

Bill,

That is a really “special talent” you have there. Was that home movies from your most recent birthday party?

I am assuming you are “descended from apes” on both sides of your family.
#614595

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:46 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

Blue on Blue is sort of pointless here.

And how. It is however what we do best.

Going to bed, I am disgusted by this beyond words but it is only the beginning of what is coming I am afraid.

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:37 am, WarEagle82 said:

Ed,

THE PAGE YOU CITED IS NOT A CONSTITUTION PARTY WEB SITE!

You can practically hear the stomping of feet and screeching in protest from here! What, neo Nazis, Communists, Surrendercrats and the like affiliated with this ~~bowel~~ movement? The hell you say!
#614596

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

But if one can exclude inclusion of Clark because of work done for the Davidians, one can quickly extend that to the Bill Grant logic that 98% of GOP Congresspeople/Senators oppose Porkulus.

My gut, unless God has a special plan and mercy on us, no third party or the GOP can save us form the godless Marxist state Obama and his supporters have in store for what was the USA.

Maybe a military coup, but Obama is already seeking to purge patriotic people from the military. I am not at all qualified to play prophet, and do not claim to be to be a Prophet, but I suspect a sign from above that we have lost Divine Favor is Obama getting to replace Anthony Kennedy or one of the four Justices who usually faithfully interpet the Constitution.

Then it is over, there is no stopping the godless who hate America from ensuring those good people loyal to the principles of the US never regain power.

I’d do what I can as a middle aged man with a family whose military training was in electronics and nuclear power, not combat skills, but a revolt of citizens armed with rifles and pistols against Obama’s ‘civil defense force’ with automatic weapons, tanks, helicopters. electronic surveillance, well, as I said, unless substantial elements of the military join, it is no longer Redcoats with rifles and cannons only slightly better than the Colonials.
#614597

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 am, WarEagle82 said:

What do you mean by “Blue on Blue?”

Does anyone here really believe Bill Grant ISN’T OPFOR?

Give me a break. He is obviously an agent provocateur.
#614598

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:49 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I went to where linked to.

See post #157.

Ok, new website to read…
#614600

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:54 am, WarEagle82 said:

Just to clear the record. The site that you linked to that listed Ramsey Clark has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONSTITUTION PARTY.

You understand that, right?

I don’t care who the goofy site you found lists. I am not going to defend some obscure list and the people they list or why they list them.

But, even if a truly evil person manages to do something good, even if by accident, I’ll give him credit for it. It doesn’t mean I like the person or agree with anything else they have done.

I never said every member of the GOP was hopeless. I have said the party and the party apparatus is beyond redemption. They, the party apparatus, loathes conservatives. There is no point in trying to convince them NOT to hate us. Better to go and be conservatives with other conservatives who DON’T hate us.

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
But if one can exclude inclusion of Clark because of work done for the Davidians, one can quickly extend that to the Bill Grant logic that 98% of GOP Congresspeople/Senators oppose Porkulus.
#614601

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:55 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

This is good…

Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:

1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual’s right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States’ Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.

This, not so encouraging, and in an election with a truly weak GOP candidate.

National vote total update for major third party and independent candidates

Ralph Nader 738,848

Bob Barr 523,796

Chuck Baldwin 199,082

Cynthia McKinney 160,118

Alan Keyes 47,756

Barr and Baldwin together fall short of nut bag Nader.

I will say, if the GOP nominates another sure fire McCain-ish loser, chosen by cross-over votes, in 2012, I will seriously consider the Constitution Party, but at that point all is probably lost anyway.

I held my nose and voted RINO, because, as I suspected, and now can see, Obama was the worst case scenario. But if it is hopeless for the GOP anyway, maybe sending a message might be a plan. Too soon to tell.
#614602

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:55 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 am, WarEagle82 said:

Does anyone here really believe Bill Grant ISN’T OPFOR?

Never voted for a democrat in my life. Although I have often thought you were here from Democratic underground or the like to split off the “conservatives” from the republican party in the hope of getting democrats elected. There was a thread on DU about that that I have linked to on here. Your opposition to actually working to stop this bill strengthened my suspicion. Blue/blue gives you credit.
#614603

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:57 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I understand the wrong site was linked in this…

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:14 am, WarEagle82 said:
Chuck Baldwin is the most recent presidential candidate from the Constitution Party.

You can learn more about him at http://www.constitution.org.

Baldwin is an actual conservative. After carrying water for all the RINOs in Congress it would seem Billy no longer recognizes the real thing.

Like WhiteHouse.gov versus WhiteHouse.com, although at this point, both are basically porno sites.
#614604

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:57 am, WarEagle82 said:

Holly Crap!

I must be tired. I can’t believe I typed that in.

I have NO IDEA who those people are. And I have never been to that site before.

I agree 100% that they sound like schismatic libertarians and that any list that contains Ann Coulter and Ramsey Clark is peculiar.

Sorry for the confusion. I sure wish I could redact that typo!!!

http://www.constitutionparty.com is the correct site.

With that, I am going to bed as I am obviously out of it. Sorry again.

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:49 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
I went to where linked to.

See post #157.

Ok, new website to read…
#614605

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:02 am, WarEagle82 said:

Once again, Bill demonstrates lack of comprehension. I called and emailed and signed electronic petitions agains the pork-laden bill.

The fact that I realized we were going to be sold out by one of these RINOs doesn’t mean I didn’t do what I needed to do.

Self-righteous putz!

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:55 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 am, WarEagle82 said:

Does anyone here really believe Bill Grant ISN’T OPFOR?

Never voted for a democrat in my life. Although I have often thought you were here from Democratic underground or the like to split off the “conservatives” from the republican party in the hope of getting democrats elected. There was a thread on DU about that that I have linked to on here. Your opposition to actually working to stop this bill strengthened my suspicion. Blue/blue gives you credit.
#614606

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:06 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I am trying to avoid the deep arguments/flames between those who still have hope the GOP can be saved and those who don’t.

-But-

I will not support the national GOP again with my money in any way if Spectre and Collins can commit treason against the Nation and Constitution without any consequence.

I have faxed McConnell and Cornyn’s DC offices with that sentiment this afternoon.

They need to be expelled from the caucus. If they can’t filibuster on this, than Spectre (D-PA) and Collins (D-ME) are no loss to the party.
#614607

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:09 am, Big V said:

Begin impeachment against all the RINO’s and Comrade Urkel.
#614608

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:09 am, WarEagle82 said:

Ed,

I think you make a reasonable point in the real world. But, there is very little “real world” inside the Beltway around here.

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:06 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I will not support the national GOP again with my money in any way if Spectre and Collins can commit treason against the Nation and Constitution without any consequence.

I have faxed McConnell and Cornyn’s DC offices with that sentiment this afternoon.

They need to be expelled from the caucus. If they can’t filibuster on this, than Spectre (D-PA) and Collins (D-ME) are no loss to the party.
#614609

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:10 am, WarEagle82 said:

I support the President, just not his mission.

Bring the President home, NOW!
#614610

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:12 am, Bill Grant said:

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:02 am, WarEagle82 said:

Self-righteous putz!

Just for that :

Constitution Party Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin reportedly has ‘no opinion’ on 9/11 inside job theory

Chuck has a strong opinion on every subject — the Federal Reserve, the IRS, the income tax, the bailout, the border agents, etc. However, at a campaign event in Kansas City, I asked Chuck if he believed the official government story of the 9/11 attacks or if he believed the mounting evidence that has led millions of Americans to conclude that people in the highest levels of our government carried out the attacks of 9/11….
#614611

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:20 am, WarEagle82 said:

Ignorant putz! This quote is from an actual 9/11 truther condemning Baldwin for NOT accepting truther lunacy conspiracy theories.

Of course, Bill is too ignorant to discern this fact.

You can read the exchange at the Chuck Baldwin forum for yourself.

http://www.chuckbaldwinforum.com/chuck-no-opinion-baldwin-and-9-11-t-884.html
#614612

On February 7th, 2009 at 3:46 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

OT, a couple of years before the family moved to Texas, as American Airlines was chased out of NYC by high corporate state and city taxes.

Blizzard of 1978 Fond Memories Thread at Storm2K.org