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1. #101
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am, terristeelmagnolia said:

   Sadly,
   Dingy Harry is one of my representative..

   John Ensign is the other.

2. #102
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am, DBNinKY said:

   The bill is going to pass whether or not your representative votes for it. Why not try to lessen the damage?

   You’re missing the point: We know some mess of a toxic spending bill is bound to pass (some are even counting on it), which is why we want the GOP to unanimously reject it keeping themselves sterile for 2010 & 2012.

   As long as the Republicans stay away from it, this bill belongs to Obama and the Democrats; so for the sake of victory in the next election cycle(s), we want the Democrats to rock it!

3. #103
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am, happyscrapper said:

   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am, jjmurphy said:
   I think sending tea bags to Congress is a great idea!
   With today’s nitwits in Congress they would probably open the envelope with the tea bag and freak at the sight of “an unknown substance”, shut down the building, send in the hazmat team, track down the “right wing wacko”, have the MSM destroy the person, hold congressional hearings, then ban tea bags as hazardous material.

   That thought occurred to me also. But, if thousands of us did it all at the same time, they would know it was a protest. At least, I think they have a few brain cells left, but perhaps not.

4. #104
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am, Mojave Mark said:

   I’m calling Congress the “Insane Clown Congress” for the next couple of years.

5. #105
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

   Ariz…

   I never expect anyone to take my word for anything. That is why I provided links.

6. #106
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:44 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

   Take a step back and look at all this activity. Don’t you think Mr. Steele sees this same thing? Don’t you think he knows that if the RNC has a chance to raise any money the RNC has no choice but to stand up against this bill and these 3 Senators? If he doesn’t, money is simply going to dry up. I find it hard to believe he doesn’t get that. Going to be an interesting week.

7. #107
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:46 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

   “Quisling Caucus” sounds better to me.

   Can we petition Michael Steele to draft a letter of notice to them that the RNC will consider them personae non grata if they continue to place their ego driven aspirations above principles of conservatism? (Spector, who has done more to undermine conservatism than most democrats, should have been tossed out of the party on his tin ear 10 years ago IMO.)

8. #108
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:47 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

   There is also a bigger more long term issue regarding at least the next 2 years and that is whether or not the Republican minority wants to have any power or impact. They cave on this issue, they will be powerless next 2 years and maybe longer.

9. #109
   On February 8th, 2009 at 11:55 am, bjc said:

   *Having read some of the updated porkalooza bill, it is still about 90% pork and 10% stimulus; The GOP needs to keep hammering that home; The final vote doesn’t just hinge on the 3 traitors to our constitutional Republic, but getting a handful of Democrats to peel off, which will be our country’s last hope.
   *The borrower is slave to the lender; That works on the family level, and any governmental level; We have to put people in office that believe in that absolute truth.

10. #110
    On February 8th, 2009 at 11:59 am, DanME said:

    I have just emailed my senators Collins and Snowe who are the PORK PIGS on this bill. These two senators are a real piece of work and not just on this bill.

    The MSM is not report what is IN this bill.

11. #111
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 11:47 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
    There is also a bigger more long term issue regarding at least the next 2 years and that is whether or not the Republican minority wants to have any power or impact. They cave on this issue, they will be powerless next 2 years and maybe longer.

    Very good point. I trust that Michael Steele will relay these facts to the proper people. I really like him and I think he will do a good job. Having said that, maybe we should “put a bug in his ear” just to be sure he is on the same page.

12. #112
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Interesting…I just heard that Maureen Dowd actually called Obama “arrogant”! Hell just froze completely over.

13. #113
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Nutz – another omission; corrected:

    “so for the sake of [Republican] victory(ies) in the next election cycle(s), we want the Democrats to rock it!

14. #114
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, Speakup said:

    “We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.” —Sir Winston Churchill

15. #115
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Thanks happy….

    As much as we would like our Republican leaders to do the right thing for the right thing’s sake, that is wishful thinking.

    However they may do the right thing for the “other” reasons. So we have hope if only for these two reasons.

    1. Money. Will be a huge plus OR minus for the RNC. Standing up will be a huge plus. Caving a huge minus. This is not one of those “maybe” it will or won’t have an impact issues. It WILL have a huge impact one way or the other.

    2. Politics. The Republicans in the Senate will either act in a way that makes themselve totally irrelevant for at least the next 2 years OR they will take a long term view and realize THIS is the watershed issue and they will either be washed up and lame ducks for 2 years OR they will be in the game.

    Of course there is a chance if this thing can get read in public that its details are so bad that doing the right thing for the right thing’s sake still has a shot. I’m not counting on it though.

16. #116
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I’ve been watching the Sunday morning news shows and no one is defending this bill. That was true this morning on Fox Sunday and on Chris Matthews. The consensus among libs and mods (no cons on these panels) is that Obama just messed up big by turning over the stimulus bill to Pelosi right out of the gate. Not only that they make it impossible for Republicans to sign on to this bill, it also upset a large number of Dems.

    Also, from Michelle Norris (black liberal): 82% of those losing their jobs are men, mostly white. Not a ripple from anyone. That is mostly who watches these shows BTW.

    Where is the GOP leadership in all of this? Where is the outrage? I don’t want to hear from McCain, McConnell, Graham, Boehner, Steele or any of the old RINOs anymore. Let’s hear from true believers who still have fight left in them borne of conviction, not empty showmanship.

17. #117
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Let’s hear from true believers who still have fight left in them borne of conviction, not empty showmanship.

    I would like an example of who that might be.

18. #118
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    No one seems to be pointing out that for all of the “It has to be done NOW” rhetoric, rhetoric that is being used to justify a hurried and sloppy process, the funds aren’t going to be available for some time.

    Its nonsense but no one is pointing the contradiction out. At least I haven’t heard it.

19. #119
    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Happy scrapper: It starts at the top. Let’s get a real RNC chairman, not just a fashionable black Bush clone. There was another fashionable alternative available but the RINOs prevailed.

    The Senate is a lost cause so the RNC will have to focus on getting leverage in the House which is chock full of true conservatives. Vitter, Cantor, etc… The Senate, which still has the numbers to filibuster any bill, will have to follow the leaders. It’s not perfect but the key is for the GOP to demonstrate conviction in a credible manner. We can’t work with this current arrangement of dinosaur RINOs in the RNC and Senate.

    Let’s at least move on and try something new. The gangs of McCain and his girl friend Lindsay Graham (not to be confused with the ageless beauty Lindsay Wagner) and the rest have zero credibility and look old and tired. It is pathetic any way you look at it.

20. #120
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, Madam President said:

    Just sent an e-mail to Snowe. Collins, Specter, and Steele are next.

21. #121
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, katablog said:

    I’ve sent my emails, but I don’t think for a minute that they are reading them. Monday morning some staffer will be assigned to do the big delete.

    We aren’t telling these people anything they don’t know. It doesn’t take a high school graduate to see how absolutely ludicrous this bill is. They know, but something is in it for them and that’s all they care about.

    This is the world we live in now – what’s in it for me. It’s just a shame that someone elected to office would actually sell out their country for some future political favor.

22. #122
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, right_on said:

    I’m sick and tired of everyone referring to these liberal Republican’s as “moderates.” They are nothing of the sort.

    mod·er·ate \ˈmä-d(ə-)rət\
    Function:
    adjective
    1 a: avoiding extremes of behavior or expression
    : observing reasonable limits
    b: calm , temperate, mediocre
    : professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme
    : limited in scope or effect
    : not expensive : reasonable or low in price

    Collins is proud that they cut a whole billion dollars out of a trillion dollar package “deal”? Tell me again, Senator…that would be what percentage out of the entire crapwich package?

    These people are on the road to destroying America, and as such, should be considered enemies…domestic enemies! Where are all those who took an oath to “protect and defend the United States from ALL enemies, foreign or domestic?”

    I hope for our sake, the military is on our side…

23. #123
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    From what I’ve seen of Michael Steele, I have the impression he is a real conservative. Where am I wrong?

24. #124
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    It’s just a shame that someone elected to office would actually sell out their country for some future political favor.

    Well, it is going to backfire on them. They are also selling out themselves. Just wait and see.

25. #125
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “This is the world we live in now – what’s in it for me.”

    Sorry but that’s the world we’ve always lived in. The selling point of conservativism is directed precisely at that value statement. The very best way I can get the very most of what I want, the very best way I can have a chance at the life I want for ME, is for there to be less government, more liberty. The consequence is when left alone to have the best life I can pursue for myself, the benefit is guess what?, you have the best life you can have for YOURSELF.

    So I’m sorry but “what’s in it for me” is an okay thing and is one of the foundations of conservativism. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is for ME, not for YOU. However as I am left alone to pursue life liberty and happiness, you are also free to do so.

26. #126
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I once heard a description of the difference between conservativism and liberalism put this way.

    Conservativism: “Leave me alone so I can get mine, I’ve got mine, now you go and get yours.”

    Liberalism: “I’ve got mine. Look at that guy over there, he’s got more than me. Let’s take it away from him and give it to that guy over there who has less than me. But do NOT take mine.”

27. #127
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, MacEamonn said:

    Let’s face it, the party of Lincoln, Roosevelt (Teddy of course), and Reagan is dead. Too many members of the old Rockefeller/Blue blood/Country Club wing of the party are involved for there to be any chance of resurrecting the party as part of a true conservative movement. We need one or two of the few remaining Conservative leaders to finally break with the party and lead us to a new Conservative Party Home and allow the Republican Party to take its place next to the Whigs in the dustbin of history.

28. #128
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, a crapweasel said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Interesting…I just heard that Maureen Dowd actually called Obama “arrogant”! Hell just froze completely over.

    No surprise over this. Maureen is one of those never say die Clinton supporter.

29. #129
    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pm, INC said:

    Gateway Pundit has this up now:

    CBO Predicts Recession Will End in 2009 Without Stimulus

    CBO anticipates that the current recession, which started in December 2007, will last until the second half of 2009, making it the longest recession since World War II. (The longest such recessions otherwise, the 1973–1974 and 1981–1982 recessions, both lasted 16 months. If the current recession were to continue beyond midyear, it would last at least 19 months.) It could also be the deepest recession during the postwar period: By CBO’s estimates, economic output over the next two years will average 6.8 percent below its potential—that is, the level of output that would be produced if the economy’s resources were fully employed (see Figure 1). This ecession, however, may not result in the highest unemployment rate. That rate, in CBO’s forecast, rises to 9.2 percent by early 2010 (up from a low of 4.4 percent at the end of 2006) but is still below the 10.8 percent rate seen near the end of the 1981–1982 recession.

    He also has the reminder that the CBO said the stimulus would actually hurt and not help the economy.

    Tell Congress that!

30. #130
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, bansharia said:

    PAJACOBS,
    po arlen is whining isn’t that a hoot!
    good job you got under his skin

    Something everyone can do is to
    call/email/fax Michael Steele and let him know that the GOP cannot continue to support these and other people with nothing more than a wee r behind their name. Oh and pssst Michael DO NOT try the tired old line the national party does not get involved in primaries won’t work, so do not go there.

    AJ,
    agree with you its all the dims AND these 3 twits, so even if someone has a dim senator call them too.

31. #131
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pm, dadinseattle said:

    This web site surgeusa.org is great for info
    and putting the numbers into perspective.

32. #132
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm, dadinseattle said:

    The strategy called for on surgeusa makes sense to me.

33. #133
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, bansharia said:

    Happy,
    Yes I do agree we need to stick together
    As far as that hamas 20 million oh yes it is true, do you recall when george mitchell ran over there after war for obambi? That is why he went, you missed this as obambi didn’t mention during his photo op/press con b4hand.

    smoke n mirros my friend as soon as obambi speaks, ignore and watch what he really does!!.

34. #134
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:15 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    You’d think Specter could use all the criticism as cover to say, “You know, with all this noise maybe I need to take a second look at this…”

35. #135
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Happyscrapper: are you a moron or what? I never said Michael Steele is a conservative. Point it out to me where I said that.

    What I said is that he is the fashionably black version of Bush. That makes him a RINO. Got it?

36. #136
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, twofoot said:

    Gee Phil, maybe you should look before you leap. Or in this case, before you start calling people morons.

    Otherwise it tends to make you like a… Well, I’m sure you can figure it out.

37. #137
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, Chard402003 said:

    I cannot believe Arlen Specter. What a traitor – he should be keel hauled. Though not from Pennslyvania, I will look forward to contributing what I can to anyone running against him for re-election, even a Dimocrat. At least then you know what you are dealing with.

38. #138
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, bansharia said:

    Tea parties are for metroAmericans.
    out in the country we have Whiskey rebellions

39. #139
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:40 pm, bansharia said:

    Chard,
    We shall know fairly soon if arlen has struck another deal with PA dims based on who they run against him.
    I am still bummed about Pat Toomey we came so close……..sigh.

40. #140
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/08/jindal-says-republicans-blame-loss/

    You tell em Bobby!

41. #141
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, lewisge said:

    I once heard a description of the difference between conservativism and liberalism put this way.
    Conservativism: “Leave me alone so I can get mine, I’ve got mine, now you go and get yours.”
    Liberalism: “I’ve got mine. Look at that guy over there, he’s got more than me. Let’s take it away from him and give it to that guy over there who has less than me. But do NOT take mine.”

    Between the two major parties, I don’t think either truly practices pure conservatism/liberalism… it is more along the lines of elitism/populism.

    In today’s political climate…

    The current Democrat party practices social elitism and economic populism.

    The current Republican party practices economic elitism and social populism.

    That’s why when a true conservative who consistently acts on conservative principles shows up on the scene, neither the current crop of Republicans nor the current crop of Democrats know how to react/behave… other than with totally irrational responses.

42. #142
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Is it me or does Collins look like Specter in drag?

43. #143
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:55 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Happyscrapper: are you a moron or what? I never said Michael Steele is a conservative. Point it out to me where I said that.

    What I said is that he is the fashionably black version of Bush. That makes him a RINO. Got it?

    On February 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, happyscrapper said:
    From what I’ve seen of Michael Steele, I have the impression he is a real conservative. Where am I wrong?

    Wow…Pasadena…you need to re-read my post and then I would like an apology. Why would you call a fellow poster names like that? That is pretty rude. I did not say that you called Michael Steele a conservative. In fact, I understood you perfectly to say he is NOT a conservative. That is why I wrote that I THOUGHT he was, and I asked you to show me where I was wrong in that assessment. Geez…lay off the caffiene.

44. #144
    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:57 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Oh, and Phil…I do want an apology.

45. #145
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:00 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, twofoot said:
    Gee Phil, maybe you should look before you leap. Or in this case, before you start calling people morons.

    Otherwise it tends to make you like a… Well, I’m sure you can figure it out.

    Well said. Thank you!

46. #146
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, rightisright said:

    hey there PP you need to lighten up there, happy said nothing that would justify your nasty name calling…we do try and be polite with each other on this site, even when dealing with the moonbat lefties. Sure you can do it if you try real hard.

47. #147
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Happy scrapper: I get it. You just create phony situations to lure conservatives into a fight. I stand by what I said. I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a major problem with people like you who just make up what other people supposedly said. If anyone ones anyone an apology, it is you and your co-troll twofoot.

    That is all I will say about this now let’s move on.

48. #148
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:20 pm, Bill Grant said:

    That is all I will say about this now let’s move on.

    In other words, I didn’t read what I was replying to and was a prick about it. I am going to double down on being a prick and then change the subject.

49. #149
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
    Happy scrapper: I get it. You just create phony situations to lure conservatives into a fight. I stand by what I said. I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a major problem with people like you who just make up what other people supposedly said. If anyone ones anyone an apology, it is you and your co-troll twofoot.

    That is all I will say about this now let’s move on.

    I make it a point not to argue with people who are delusional. Did you even read my previous posts? I never said you called Michael Steele a conservative. You are totally misreading what I said. And this is a really silly thing to call someone a moron about. You are way over the line. I suggest professional help. Enough said.

50. #150
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, Flyoverman said:

    ….the CBO said the stimulus would actually hurt and not help the economy.

    Tell Congress that!

    You can try but the majority of the Congress does not care. This has little to do with stimulus and everything to do with rewarding the various Democrat supporting special interest group and advancing the principle of socialism.

    That is why I personally refer to this bill as the:

    Comprehensive Constituents Compensation Program (CCCP)

    Those born after 1980 may not understand this acronym.

51. #151
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, jjmurphy said:

    You can try but the majority of the Congress does not care.

    Very true Flyoverman. They don’t care. This is all about power and cementing in liberal rule for as long as possible.

    I like the CCCP reference, which, again you are correct, not many people will get.

52. #152
    On February 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, sbw999 said:

    The whores of our Congress have been working all night. Except “We The People” are the ones getting boned. When they are finally done, we’ll all need a cigarette, and some chinese takeout. That’s about all we will be able to afford.

53. #153
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “…everything to do with rewarding the various Democrat supporting special interest group and advancing the principle of socialism.”

    And creating new ones at the same time. Creating huge dependent voter blocks….

54. #154
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, swede said:

    Aaaallrightythen. Just skimmed through the 778 page new+improved crapulus and still can’t seem to find anything that will stimulate anything but the national debt. (and ACORN)

    Sooooo it gets to the senate where they add another 100B – then the tres pseudorepublican amigos audaciously cut 100B – now it’s OK?? I’m confused, and unlike Michael Phelps have no bong, so someone explain to me how this makes any sense.

55. #155
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Just the fact that ACORN is still in there is unbelievable. Isn’t ACORN still under investigation for voter registration fraud in numerous states? And haven’t they been proven to be completely in the tank for Obama? And isn’t Federal funding supposed to be for unbiased and nonpolitical groups? How does ACORN fit any of that criteria? This is a gigantic swindle of the American people…very much like that what’s-his-name who bilked thousands of people out of their life’s savings. No difference at all.

56. #156
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Micheleeroo said:

    Hey, I’m a Dave Ramsey fan, too!

57. #157
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, bansharia said:

    Happy,
    I would like to see Michael Steele hire on staff to fully investigate ACORN and review all voter rolls in every state.

    How about that Michael??? you want to fire up the base do it shoog!!

58. #158
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, Virginia Patriot said:

    What the Porkulus amounts to is The Obama Re-election Fund. Most of the money is geared toward that end as is the timing of its expenditure.

59. #159
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, katablog said:

    Happyscrapper: yes ACORN is still in. Why on earth are you surprised. Remember, this is the “Reward your constituents bill” and ACORN did a mighty good job of getting the vote out for BO.

    That’s also the reason BO signed the order that says only unionized construction companies can work on Federal Projects. And it also explains the resettlement funds for Hamas so they too can enjoy these United Socialistic States.

    Yes, Federal funding is suppose to be unbiased – but this is the hope and change administration. You seem to have forgotten: BO won the election. But don’t worry – I’m sure he will remind you again and again until you get it.

60. #160
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I’m guessing ACORN funding is one of the things that is being targetted this week. One of the things that IF the bill will get a public reading will cause problems.

61. #161
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pm, katablog said:

    ully investigate ACORN and review all voter rolls in every state

    What’s that going to buy you? We already have solid proof that ACORN committed fraud in at least a dozen states. Many blogs including Michelle and Hot Air documented it. Nothing happened.

    Atlas Shrugged.

62. #162
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:49 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “…the order that says only unionized construction companies can work on Federal Projects.”

    That’s one of those things that I’m guessing will head for the Supreme Court.

63. #163
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, katablog said:

    ACORN funding is one of the things that is being targetted this week

    Senate tried that. Amendment was shot down as Democrats listed the “wonderful” things ACORN does and told Republicans not to impute such a wonderful org. I saw it live.

64. #164
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, happyscrapper said:

    So much proof of fraud and by-passing of the Constitution! PROOF! So when is this administration going to be indicted? Never mind.

65. #165
    On February 8th, 2009 at 4:55 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “Senate tried that…”

    The week has not even started for them and it being shot down once does not mean it isn’t up for consideration again. Even Larry Summers acknowledges the battle is not over.

66. #166
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    I hear John McCain say the Dems are totally shutting down out the GOP in the process, and their plan is a big waste of money.

    FOX Sunday morning talking head show.

    Bravo, John, Bravo.

    Then he added, “but, full disclosure, we did the same thing to the Democrats during the last administration”.

    I suppose that is how Fat Teddy the DWI Killer basically wrote “No Child Left Behind” for Bush, or how the largest increase in entitlements in decades with the presciption drug plan came about.

    Juan McCain- as always, a few moments of lucidity, drowned out by flaming stupidity.

    Full disclosure- I voted for the ‘tard, knowing he was basically a ‘tard, but only because I suspected (and now essentially know) that Obama was the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers”, determined to destroy the US as a free market representative democracy.

67. #167
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:05 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    “…the order that says only unionized construction companies can work on Federal Projects.”

    That’s one of those things that I’m guessing will head for the Supreme Court.

    Might get there in a few years, by then, many non-union shops will have either unionized to get contracts or been forced out of business.

68. #168
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, happyscrapper said:

    All I know for sure is that Barack Hussein Obama is completely unprepared for the job he has stumbled into. I really think he was under the impression that all the glamour and power was going to be great stuff. This empty suit with absolutely NO credentials to show he is prepared for the job, is going to crash and burn. We all knew it, but half the voters in this country bought into his hype anyway. He is already showing a certain amount of unraveling. And some of the things he has said are just plain dumb. For instance, he called the cable news shows “chatter”. Nice. This is the media, Pal…you know, the ones who covered up your questionable past and got you elected. Not a good idea to bad-mouth them.

69. #169
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I live in a right to work state. Non-union top to bottom. I can assure you it won’t take very long to be challenged in the court.

70. #170
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm, bansharia said:

    Kate,
    I toally disagree with your premise.
    The GOP as a natioanl poltical party HAS NOT fully gone after ACORN nor have they or state GOP parties properly managed voter rolls overall through legal, legislative and other means.

    If you are GOP and don’t feel Michael should bother by all means send him that suggestion, I shall do otherwise.

71. #171
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    While the media and the left might down play ACORN’s issues, I do not think that many many Americans are okay with ACORN’s antics. It will be a hard sell to middle America to combine funding ACORN and supporting a stimulus package.

    I’m thinking its a token sacrifice throw under the bus piece so that the left can point to something they “gave up” in the funding.

72. #172
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, bansharia said:

    Kate,
    Are you GOP? If so I suggest that until you can get your apathy in check you sit back and let those of us willing to fight do so. Thank you in advance, Barbara

73. #173
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Barack Obama [is] at the epicenter of an incestuous stew of American radical leftism. Not only are his connections significant, they practically define who he is. Taken together, they constitute a who’s who of the American radical left, and guiding all is the Cloward-Piven strategy. Obama’s associates are all radicals, firmly bedded in the anti-American, communist, socialist, radical leftist mesh. Obama is associated with black separatist liberation ideologues, domestic terrorists, Palestinian radicals, Kenyan mass murderers of Christians, and both Moist and Marxist communist radicals. Although Obama now tries to distance himself from them, now that he is running for president, they were all his mentors, allies, friends, contributors, associates and supporters. They befriended him… and he befriended and socialized with them back.

    The public knows next to nothing about them, and this is quite alarming considering that the Media is not doing the necessary work to expose them. To examine these relationships is not smearing, it speaks to his true intentions and ideological perspectives. Barack Obama, the Cloward-Piven candidate, no matter how he describes himself, has been a radical activist for most of his political career. That activism has been in support of organizations and initiatives that at their heart seek to tear the pillars of this nation asunder in order to replace them with their demented socialist vision. Their influence has spread so far and so wide that despite their blatant culpability in the current financial crisis, Capital Hill politicians now claim to be able to fix the problem with HOPE AND CHANGE.

    -Posted by Pamela Geller on Friday, October 24, 2008 at 11:02 PM

74. #174
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, bansharia said:

    JS,
    While ACORN is a huge part of voter fraud there are other groups as well, hence all voter rolls need to be verified fully and not just chase the worm hole of ACORN.
    excuse me for saying what you already know

75. #175
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, bansharia said:
    Kate,
    Are you GOP? If so I suggest that until you can get your apathy in check you sit back and let those of us willing to fight do so. Thank you in advance, Barbara

    In Kate’s defense, I think she was just expressing the frustration we all feel because no one seems to be doing anything about ACORN. Has anyone heard how all the investigations are going? I haven’t heard a thing!

76. #176
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “ACORN is a huge part of voter fraud there are other groups as well…”

    Are thoese other groups getting funding?

77. #177
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    While I know all of that, just reading it again is chilling!!

78. #178
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Obama grab of Census (no doubt to maximize registered voters, real or imaginary, in fertile ACORN territory like the ghettoes and barrios) a violation of the Constitution?

    Of course, if nobody has standing to ask the Supremes if someone should actually see Obama’s original birth certificate who isn’t in the bag already for Obama, not sure anyone has standing to challenge this.

79. #179
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama plans to expand the membership of the National Security Council and increase its authority to set strategy on a wide range of domestic and international issues, The Washington Post reported on Saturday, quoting his national security adviser.

    The council, which was established after World War Two to advise U.S. presidents on military and diplomatic matters, would become “dramatically different” after the overhaul, national security adviser James Jones told the paper in an interview.

    “The world that we live in has changed so dramatically in this decade that organizations that were created to meet a certain set of criteria no longer are terribly useful,” Jones, a retired Marine general, was quoted as saying.

    He said sections of the government not traditionally part of the council would be brought in on a case-by-case basis—he named the Energy Department, Commerce Department and Treasury, and all the law enforcement agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration.

    “New NSC directorates will deal with such department-spanning 21st-century issues as cyber security, energy, climate change, nation-building and infrastructure,” the Post said.

    Jones said the new structure would be outlined in a presidential directive, probably in the coming week.

    Perhaps Obama’s promised non-military ‘National Defense Force’, funded as well as DoD, aka Saddam Barack Hussein’s Dreaded Republican Guard, would answer directly to him via his National Security Council.

80. #180
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:44 pm, dadinseattle said:

    Senate tried that. Amendment was shot down as Democrats listed the “wonderful” things ACORN does and told Republicans not to impute such a wonderful org. I saw it live.

    Drug use, teen pregnancy , and gang violence is either up, or unchanged since the 1990′s in urban areas, when Obama was empowering the people to deal with these issues by community organizing.

    The truth is they get money- and he gets power, the problems are never fixed but his power grows.

    The original reason given for forming ACORN has little resemblance to what they represent now!
    Acorn are the core players of his and the DNC political enforcement branch now, and funneling of any public money to them should be criminal!

81. #181
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
    Obama grab of Census (no doubt to maximize registered voters, real or imaginary, in fertile ACORN territory like the ghettoes and barrios) a violation of the Constitution?

    Of course, if nobody has standing to ask the Supremes if someone should actually see Obama’s original birth certificate who isn’t in the bag already for Obama, not sure anyone has standing to challenge this.

    I heard today that Obama is backing off of that. Apparently, he now says they will share the office of census with the new Secratary of Commerce. Someone must have told him he was being too obvious about his attempt at a coup. I still think that they will get ACORN workers to conduct the census…and we know how accurate those folks are.

82. #182
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    If anyone expects Obama and the left to follow the Constitution you are nuts. They will do whatever they think they can get away with. They have no internal motivation to follow the Constitution. They are externally motivated by getting or not getting “caught”.

    The mindset that says the President will do his/her best to keep the Constitution and may miss the mark just a tad and if that happens it is an unintentional oversight, something that may happen rarely, that mind set is unrealistic with President Obama.

    If we want the Constitution followed we will need be assertive and aggressive.

83. #183
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:49 pm, bansharia said:

    JS,
    are they being funded ofcourse they are.
    as directly as ACORN not per se.
    Am not sure what your point is, mine is very simple: Michael Steele needs to hire on staff to fully review voter rolls in EVERY State, there is alot of fraud.
    As far as ACORN they are much more than just voter fraud and yes GOP from national level needs to lead that investigation.

    Happy I don’t know kate so I asked
    yes we all have blue days and we also get “others” here as well….

84. #184
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm, happyscrapper said:

    If we want the Constitution followed we will need be assertive and aggressive.

    …and very very vocal!! These things need to see the light of day a lot better than Obama’s past did!

85. #185
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “…are they being funded ofcourse they are. as directly as ACORN not per se.”

    Who are they? What groups like ACORN but not ACORN are getting funding in this bill?

86. #186
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:56 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Happy I don’t know kate so I asked
    yes we all have blue days and we also get “others” here as well….

    Yes, it is sometimes hard to tell the difference between someone having a bad day and those nasty “others”. Like Pasadena Phil who was trashing me earlier on this thread. I still can’t figure out what set him off! Believe me, I know about blue days! And I get plenty! I am just glad the Mighty Rushbo is back from vacation on Tuesday so I can get energized.

87. #187
    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, bansharia said:

    dinner time enjoy the night gang

88. #188
    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, jjmurphy said:

    If anyone expects Obama and the left to follow the Constitution you are nuts.

    Very, very true! The Constitution, to Obama and his minions, is a quaint old document with no bearing on life today.

89. #189
    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm, libertybelle said:

    Please watch this video I put together about this porkulus!!! Share it!!!! ASAP!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1EX5mKCBPk

90. #190
    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm, katablog said:

    You know there is just something wrong with those of you who decide to pick on other posters. Of course you are mad. We are mad too. Now go pick on some liberal if you have to kick a dog.

    It’s Katablog not kate by the way. Yes, I’ve BEEN GOP all my voting life. I’m not anything now but totally sick. I’m 58 years old and this is not my America. I am stunned and angry that my country has been turned so upside down in so few years. But yes, I’ve been kicking and screaming all the way down.

    I’ve written, I’ve called, no one is listen! I’ve watched this process for too long and I know how it’s going to end. In the best case scenario, a token few things will be taken out of the bill and we will all be told to shut up and go back to thumping our Bibles and marrying our sisters – bo won the election and now he’s king.

91. #191
    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm, katablog said:

    libertybelle: Chills! That is simply beautiful. Now I’m crying.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1EX5mKCBPk

92. #192
    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pm, katablog said:

    I strongly believe we would take up a collection and get Liberbelle’s YouTube one the airwaves immediately. I’m in.

93. #193
    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:40 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pm, katablog said:
    I strongly believe we would take up a collection and get Liberbelle’s YouTube one the airwaves immediately. I’m in.

    I’d be happy to contribute too. That is awesome!!

94. #194
    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:44 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm, katablog said:
    You know there is just something wrong with those of you who decide to pick on other posters. Of course you are mad. We are mad too. Now go pick on some liberal if you have to kick a dog.

    Kata…I feel your frustration! I think all of us who care deeply about our country are getting a bit crabby and discouraged. We are in an uphill battle every day and it is depressing. I hope we will all step back and realize we are in this together and we certainly don’t want to hurt the very people who agree with our values and are trying to find the right answers too!! I can pretty much tell who are the trolls on this blog and who aren’t. I still am not sure about Pasadea Phil because he was so nasty…that usually means he is a troll. Does anyone know if that is so? If he is one of us, he has a strange way of showing it.

95. #195
    On February 8th, 2009 at 7:11 pm, bjc said:

    *Conservatives need to stay engaged and keep the glass half-full mentality going; There are still some fine conservative GOP members to support and we need to prod others and the RNC to stay committed in that direction for 2010 and 2012; Carter 1 gave us Reagan and Carter 2 will do likewise; P-BO has already overreached and so the recession will likely widen and deepen.
    *As I have said before, the pain that will be upon us has ownership in the liberal nutbags that have given us a Carter with a tan when we desperately need a Churchill with a plan(Romney).

96. #196
    On February 8th, 2009 at 7:31 pm, Stillwaiting said:

    “Your government is spending $1 million on one bomb just to wipe your homes off the face of the earth. Show your appreciation.”
    ~Senator Jack S. Fogbound

    From the musical, “Lil Abner”.

97. #197
    On February 8th, 2009 at 7:32 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Of course, if nobody has standing to ask the Supremes if someone should actually see Obama’s original birth certificate who isn’t in the bag already for Obama, not sure anyone has standing to challenge this.

    Hear, hear!!!

    The COLB “proof” that Obama provided…

    1) …Is not the same thing as the original birth certificate, and does not show the name of the hospital where he was born. Obama has never provided proof of the hospital and attending physician at his birth. Obama and his sister have given different hospital names as his location of birth. No hospital in Hawaii has any record of Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, being a patient in their hospital around the time of Obama’s birth.

    2) …First appeared on Daily Kos along with “Haye I.B Ahphorgerie” (”Hey! I Be A Forgery!”)

    3) …Was rightfully suspected of being a forgery.

    4) …The “hardcopy” was produced at the Obama Campaign headquarters, not by the State of Hawaii, and was only shown to a small, controlled, friendly audience.

    5) Neither the Daily KOS image nor the hardcopy were ever “verified” by the State of Hawaii.

    6) No Hawaiian official ever went on record saying that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    7) Both the Associated Press and Annenberg Political Fact Check published LIES that were then distributed far and wide and were believed by many people, including our beloved hostess Michelle and my Republican Senator.

    It baffles the mind how Obama was able to pull off this fraud in plain sight. Congress inspected one certificate from Hawaii (the certificate of the Electoral Vote), but never inspected the other certificate from Hawaii (the certificate of live birth for Obama). Pay no attention to Obama’s grandmother who says she was present at his birth…in Kenya! Pay no attention to Obama’s admitted British citizenship at birth (because his father was a British subject, not a U.S. citizen). Pay no attention to Obama’s Indonesian citizenship or his 1981 travel to Pakistan on a non-U.S. passport.

    We now have a Marxist usurper as Saboteur-in-Chief.

98. #198
    On February 8th, 2009 at 7:34 pm, Marie said:

    I Think Obama is killing to goose that laid the golden egg…..

99. #199
    On February 8th, 2009 at 7:41 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 7:11 pm, bjc said:

    Carter 1 gave us Reagan and Carter 2 will do likewise

    We have a role to play…

    if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

    2 Chronicles 7:14

    And while I share your optimism, I think Reagan 2 will be a different man…

    A lot of people walk around talking about the Reagan days and the next Reagan. I was with the old Reagan and I can promise you that this man comes as close as anyone to filling those shoes.

100. #200
     On February 8th, 2009 at 7:41 pm, Marie said:

     I Think Obama is killing the goose that laid the golden egg… typo correction